"Albanian side insisted on U.S. involvement"

This guy said nothing. Of course the US will be involved. An independent Albanian Kosovo was America's project from the start. Why did they take the KLA off the US State Department's terrorist list in the ;ate 90's? Because they decided they would be the US's obedient foot soldiers. Then came the construction of Camp Bondsteel - establishing a large American military presence in the Balkans. Then is was a matter of getting rid of Milosevic, he was a major obstacle and thorn in their side. So, have the NATO drop bombs on the Serbs, and the rest is history. So yes, Mr. Serwer, I think the US will be involved in the talks. And I don't even get paid for my opinions.

1.
The Republic of Serbia cannot recognize "Kosova" without prior amendment of its constitution,
whether such recognition is an express one or an implied one.

Such amendment requires a two third majority of all deputies,
and such majority does not exist in the moment,
and, at least in the moment, it is unlikely that such majority will exist in the future.

2.
Recognition of "Kosova" is no requirement for Serbia´s entry into the E.U.

3.
Serbia will, if it wants, join the E.U.
But "Kosova" will not do so,
because we in the E.U., we do not want to allow an islamic country to join the E.U.

America showing Kosovo fatigue. This is not good news for albanians. Serbia can afford to prolong and drag on a solution for Kosovo but apparently America can't wait since it has its hands full in Northkorea, Afghanistan, Irak etc. Albanians be prepared to give up the independence you never had.

"...the toughest decision – one in which Serbia is to recognize sovereignty and integrity of Kosovo - will inevitably find its way to the agenda. That will have to happen prior to Serbia's ascension to the EU

That is inevitalble. Serbia must recognise Kosovo independence if really cares about the negotiations otherwise any other suggestion will be rhetoric and a waste of everyone's time.

"Why did they take the KLA off the US State Department's terrorist list in the ;ate 90's?"

Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?

How could Kosovo Albanian authority demand that Kosovo be independent with their publicly state goal to convert Serbian Orthodox churches and Monasteries in to the Kosovo heritage institution.It would be a travesty of justice to grant this terrorist entity sovereignty.Barb wires around some of our Serbian Orthodox Monasteries is the face of Kosovo Albanian culture.

# "Why did they take the KLA off the US State Department's terrorist list in the ;ate 90's?"

Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?
(Amer, 1 October 2010 22:16)
=====================

I can't believe that you have never seen any material exposing KLA as terrorists.

Have a look at this

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2124

There is so much more too.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/10159/terrorist_groups_and_political_legitimacy.html

I hope this enlightens you.

----
Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?
(Amer, 1 October 2010 22:16)
----

Do an Internet search and you will find the articles in major US news sources talking about it.

The truth is that Serbia can drive around the track as fast as it wants but it will never cross the finish line without at least a technical if not official recognition.

Without the US involvement, K-albs have no leg to stand on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

The above link is just one, Amer. If you google - KLA on us State Department Terrorist list - you will get a large choice of links stating that the KLA was a terrorist organization, according to DC, until they decided they needed them to do their dirty work.
I am surprised you did not know this. Where have you been - maybe in denial land?

"Why did they take the KLA off the US State Department's terrorist list in the ;ate 90's?"

Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?
(Amer, 1 October 2010 22:16)



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was de-listed,[8][9] and then the UK and the US lobbied France to do the same.[10] The US then cultivated diplomatic relationships with the KLA leaders.[9][11] In 1999 the KLA was officially disbanded and their members entered other terrorist groups such as various Albanian Macedonian rebels[12], the UCPMB in the Preševo Valley region[2] and UNMIK instituted NGOs within Kosovo such as the Kosovo Protection Corps (in accordance with UNSC resolution 1244 which required the establishment of a civilian emergency protection body to replace the former KLA) and Kosovo Police Force[13]. Some of the Kosovo Liberation Army leadership opted to enter politics, and by taking advantage of the 1999 confusion they still lead the Albanian faction of the partially recognized Kosovar government.

Amer, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to Google something. That’s if you really want to know the truth. Instead of wasting your time posting something that you don’t have a clue about.

@ Ptoleme:


1.
reply with regard to
"You seem to forget that Serbia's constitution passed by a slim majority. It seems like you are not an authority on the subject to be making such general remarks about amending it - I think you mean formulating a new constitution, which would be very easy to do. Tell the people it is the last step for EU accession.":

-> simply read the following sections of the Serbian Constitution:
preamble, art. 114, art. 182 and art. 203
(link: http://www.mpravde.gov.rs/images/05__constitution_of_rs.pdf)


2.
reply with regard to
"Recognition of Kosovo IS a requirement for Serbia, whether YOU like it or not."

-> I am a fully qualified lawyer in an E.U. member state, AND YOU ARE NOT !

My qualification covers European Union law.

Recognition of "Kosova" is no requirement for Serbia´s entry into the E.U.


3.
reply with regard to
"Serbia will join the EU IF the EU wants."

O.k., the correct wording is:

Serbia will join the E.U., if Serbia wants to join and if the member states of the E.U. want Serbia to join.

I think Serbia will join the E.U.

Let´s simply wait and see in a few years, whether Serbia has joined E.U.

1.
The Republic of Serbia cannot recognize "Kosova" without prior amendment of its constitution,
whether such recognition is an express one or an implied one.

Such amendment requires a two third majority of all deputies,
and such majority does not exist in the moment,
and, at least in the moment, it is unlikely that such majority will exist in the future.

2.
Recognition of "Kosova" is no requirement for Serbia´s entry into the E.U.

3.
Serbia will, if it wants, join the E.U.
But "Kosova" will not do so,
because we in the E.U., we do not want to allow an islamic country to join the E.U.
(dht, 1 October 2010 22:59)

1. You seem to forget that Serbia's constitution passed by a slim majority. It seems like you are not an authority on the subject to be making such general remarks about amending it - I think you mean formulating a new constitution, which would be very easy to do. Tell the people it is the last step for EU accession.

2. Recognition of Kosovo IS a requirement for Serbia, whether YOU like it or not.

3. Serbia will join the EU IF the EU wants. Now your bigotry is another story.

This would have to be one of the silliest headlines I have read in the last couple of years. The Albanians insisted on nothing; who are the Albanians to insist on anything?. It was the US that would not allow them to move an inch without their knowledge.
“Daniel Serwer believes that the start of the dialogue between Belgrade and Priština on practical issues, which are numerous, would bring about a new political fact: that the Serbian side will accept the legitimacy of Priština authorities as a fact”
An excellent example of p..s and wind from the united sates of windy bags. They did not take advantage of their strength in 1999, but now they are much stronger while leaving Afghanistan with “their tail between their legs”. Gee, I don’t know how they are able to say this without a bucket nearby to throw up in. There is an old saying “BS baffles brains”.
Let me repeat – the Australian dollar will cost the US $1.20 by the end of this year and the US is in a strong position!!!!!!!!!!!!!. and Australia is a nation of 22 million. Perhaps Daniel should get a better calculator next time he opens his mouth.

Multiple sources refer to the KLA having been on the US terrorism list in 1998. The bi-annual state department terrorist lists are 1997 & 1999 ( http://www.state.gov/www/global/terrorism/annual_reports.html ), not 1998, the year in question when the KLA was listed and then conveniently dropped from the list:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Kosovo_War

In 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization,[26] and in 1999 the Republican Policy Committee of the U.S. Senate expressed its troubles with the "effective alliance" of the Clinton administration with the KLA due to "numerous reports from reputable unofficial sources ".[27]

[26]
written Testimony of Ralf Mutschke Assistant Director, Criminal Intelligence Directorate International Criminal Police Organization — Interpol General Secretariat before a hearing of the Committee on the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime (2000-12-13). "The Threat Posed by the Convergence of Organized Crime, Drugs Trafficking and Terrorism.". U.S. House Judiciary Committee. http://judiciary.house.gov/Legacy/muts1213.htm. Retrieved 2008-05-31. "In 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization"

"...In 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization, indicating that it was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade and loans from Islamic countries and individuals, among them allegedly Usama bin Laden..."

So you see, even though the State Department has scrubbed the KLA as a terrorist organization from its website, other official government organs and officials point to it being on the list in 1998.

"The Republic of Serbia cannot recognize "Kosova" without prior amendment of its constitution,
whether such recognition is an express one or an implied one.

Such amendment requires a two third majority of all deputies,
and such majority does not exist in the moment,
and, at least in the moment, it is unlikely that such majority will exist in the future."

--Agree with point that. Unless that changes there will be no change or any kind of deals that would change things radically.

Ok, so it seems the Albano camp was silenced rather quickly.

All delusions aside. Tadic and company are familiar with facts that it's easy to dupe Serbia's public. they have achieved that numerous times. These talks, the 1st day is the day of announcement that Serbia is on its path to recognizing Kosovo's statehood and final ink on the paper will be establishment of diplomatic relations.

Serbia has to give up Sandjak, Vojvodina, Presheva Valley. I see no problem to give more autonomy to Leposavic and Zubin Potok.

Zvecan and Mitrovica shall not. They are multiethnic towns.

"Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?
(Amer, 1 October 2010 22:16)
----

Do an Internet search and you will find the articles in major US news sources talking about it.
(Ark I, 2 October 2010 06:41) "

I did an extensive search a year or so ago when Peter/Sydney made this claim. I went through the biannual lists the State Department puts out listing terrorist organizations, and the KLA was not any of them. If an organization is added to these lists, it has certain consequences for U.S. residents - for example, it's illegal to give such organizations money. If the KLA had ever been on such a list, any Albanian-American would be able to tell you when it had been illegal (probably meaning, very difficult, involving handing over envelopes of cash to restaurant owners) and when it once again became legal. Perhaps somebody here could let you know whether that ever happened.

BTW, a diplomat saying "he knows a terrorist organization when he sees one" does not count - and this was the closest I could ever come to an official U.S. opinion on the subject. That and unattributed assertions seem to be all that's out there.

Amer, I don't know what you consider an extensive internet search, but that is obviously not what you did. If you did an extensive internet search, you would have even found US news stations talking about the KLA being on the terrorist list until they were taken off when Clinton wanted to use them.

"...the toughest decision – one in which Serbia is to recognize sovereignty and integrity of Kosovo - will inevitably find its way to the agenda. That will have to happen prior to Serbia's ascension to the EU

That is inevitalble. Serbia must recognise Kosovo independence if really cares about the negotiations otherwise any other suggestion will be rhetoric and a waste of everyone's time.

America showing Kosovo fatigue. This is not good news for albanians. Serbia can afford to prolong and drag on a solution for Kosovo but apparently America can't wait since it has its hands full in Northkorea, Afghanistan, Irak etc. Albanians be prepared to give up the independence you never had.

The truth is that Serbia can drive around the track as fast as it wants but it will never cross the finish line without at least a technical if not official recognition.

"Why did they take the KLA off the US State Department's terrorist list in the ;ate 90's?"

Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?

1.
The Republic of Serbia cannot recognize "Kosova" without prior amendment of its constitution,
whether such recognition is an express one or an implied one.

Such amendment requires a two third majority of all deputies,
and such majority does not exist in the moment,
and, at least in the moment, it is unlikely that such majority will exist in the future.

2.
Recognition of "Kosova" is no requirement for Serbia´s entry into the E.U.

3.
Serbia will, if it wants, join the E.U.
But "Kosova" will not do so,
because we in the E.U., we do not want to allow an islamic country to join the E.U.

1.
The Republic of Serbia cannot recognize "Kosova" without prior amendment of its constitution,
whether such recognition is an express one or an implied one.

Such amendment requires a two third majority of all deputies,
and such majority does not exist in the moment,
and, at least in the moment, it is unlikely that such majority will exist in the future.

2.
Recognition of "Kosova" is no requirement for Serbia´s entry into the E.U.

3.
Serbia will, if it wants, join the E.U.
But "Kosova" will not do so,
because we in the E.U., we do not want to allow an islamic country to join the E.U.
(dht, 1 October 2010 22:59)

1. You seem to forget that Serbia's constitution passed by a slim majority. It seems like you are not an authority on the subject to be making such general remarks about amending it - I think you mean formulating a new constitution, which would be very easy to do. Tell the people it is the last step for EU accession.

2. Recognition of Kosovo IS a requirement for Serbia, whether YOU like it or not.

3. Serbia will join the EU IF the EU wants. Now your bigotry is another story.

This guy said nothing. Of course the US will be involved. An independent Albanian Kosovo was America's project from the start. Why did they take the KLA off the US State Department's terrorist list in the ;ate 90's? Because they decided they would be the US's obedient foot soldiers. Then came the construction of Camp Bondsteel - establishing a large American military presence in the Balkans. Then is was a matter of getting rid of Milosevic, he was a major obstacle and thorn in their side. So, have the NATO drop bombs on the Serbs, and the rest is history. So yes, Mr. Serwer, I think the US will be involved in the talks. And I don't even get paid for my opinions.

All delusions aside. Tadic and company are familiar with facts that it's easy to dupe Serbia's public. they have achieved that numerous times. These talks, the 1st day is the day of announcement that Serbia is on its path to recognizing Kosovo's statehood and final ink on the paper will be establishment of diplomatic relations.

Serbia has to give up Sandjak, Vojvodina, Presheva Valley. I see no problem to give more autonomy to Leposavic and Zubin Potok.

Zvecan and Mitrovica shall not. They are multiethnic towns.

How could Kosovo Albanian authority demand that Kosovo be independent with their publicly state goal to convert Serbian Orthodox churches and Monasteries in to the Kosovo heritage institution.It would be a travesty of justice to grant this terrorist entity sovereignty.Barb wires around some of our Serbian Orthodox Monasteries is the face of Kosovo Albanian culture.

----
Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?
(Amer, 1 October 2010 22:16)
----

Do an Internet search and you will find the articles in major US news sources talking about it.

"Why did they take the KLA off the US State Department's terrorist list in the ;ate 90's?"

Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?
(Amer, 1 October 2010 22:16)



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The KLA was regarded by the US as a terrorist group until 1998 when it was de-listed,[8][9] and then the UK and the US lobbied France to do the same.[10] The US then cultivated diplomatic relationships with the KLA leaders.[9][11] In 1999 the KLA was officially disbanded and their members entered other terrorist groups such as various Albanian Macedonian rebels[12], the UCPMB in the Preševo Valley region[2] and UNMIK instituted NGOs within Kosovo such as the Kosovo Protection Corps (in accordance with UNSC resolution 1244 which required the establishment of a civilian emergency protection body to replace the former KLA) and Kosovo Police Force[13]. Some of the Kosovo Liberation Army leadership opted to enter politics, and by taking advantage of the 1999 confusion they still lead the Albanian faction of the partially recognized Kosovar government.

Amer, It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to Google something. That’s if you really want to know the truth. Instead of wasting your time posting something that you don’t have a clue about.

"Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?
(Amer, 1 October 2010 22:16)
----

Do an Internet search and you will find the articles in major US news sources talking about it.
(Ark I, 2 October 2010 06:41) "

I did an extensive search a year or so ago when Peter/Sydney made this claim. I went through the biannual lists the State Department puts out listing terrorist organizations, and the KLA was not any of them. If an organization is added to these lists, it has certain consequences for U.S. residents - for example, it's illegal to give such organizations money. If the KLA had ever been on such a list, any Albanian-American would be able to tell you when it had been illegal (probably meaning, very difficult, involving handing over envelopes of cash to restaurant owners) and when it once again became legal. Perhaps somebody here could let you know whether that ever happened.

BTW, a diplomat saying "he knows a terrorist organization when he sees one" does not count - and this was the closest I could ever come to an official U.S. opinion on the subject. That and unattributed assertions seem to be all that's out there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

The above link is just one, Amer. If you google - KLA on us State Department Terrorist list - you will get a large choice of links stating that the KLA was a terrorist organization, according to DC, until they decided they needed them to do their dirty work.
I am surprised you did not know this. Where have you been - maybe in denial land?

"The Republic of Serbia cannot recognize "Kosova" without prior amendment of its constitution,
whether such recognition is an express one or an implied one.

Such amendment requires a two third majority of all deputies,
and such majority does not exist in the moment,
and, at least in the moment, it is unlikely that such majority will exist in the future."

--Agree with point that. Unless that changes there will be no change or any kind of deals that would change things radically.

# "Why did they take the KLA off the US State Department's terrorist list in the ;ate 90's?"

Have you any evidence that it was ever on it?
(Amer, 1 October 2010 22:16)
=====================

I can't believe that you have never seen any material exposing KLA as terrorists.

Have a look at this

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2124

There is so much more too.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/10159/terrorist_groups_and_political_legitimacy.html

I hope this enlightens you.

Without the US involvement, K-albs have no leg to stand on.

@ Ptoleme:


1.
reply with regard to
"You seem to forget that Serbia's constitution passed by a slim majority. It seems like you are not an authority on the subject to be making such general remarks about amending it - I think you mean formulating a new constitution, which would be very easy to do. Tell the people it is the last step for EU accession.":

-> simply read the following sections of the Serbian Constitution:
preamble, art. 114, art. 182 and art. 203
(link: http://www.mpravde.gov.rs/images/05__constitution_of_rs.pdf)


2.
reply with regard to
"Recognition of Kosovo IS a requirement for Serbia, whether YOU like it or not."

-> I am a fully qualified lawyer in an E.U. member state, AND YOU ARE NOT !

My qualification covers European Union law.

Recognition of "Kosova" is no requirement for Serbia´s entry into the E.U.


3.
reply with regard to
"Serbia will join the EU IF the EU wants."

O.k., the correct wording is:

Serbia will join the E.U., if Serbia wants to join and if the member states of the E.U. want Serbia to join.

I think Serbia will join the E.U.

Let´s simply wait and see in a few years, whether Serbia has joined E.U.

Ok, so it seems the Albano camp was silenced rather quickly.

This would have to be one of the silliest headlines I have read in the last couple of years. The Albanians insisted on nothing; who are the Albanians to insist on anything?. It was the US that would not allow them to move an inch without their knowledge.
“Daniel Serwer believes that the start of the dialogue between Belgrade and Priština on practical issues, which are numerous, would bring about a new political fact: that the Serbian side will accept the legitimacy of Priština authorities as a fact”
An excellent example of p..s and wind from the united sates of windy bags. They did not take advantage of their strength in 1999, but now they are much stronger while leaving Afghanistan with “their tail between their legs”. Gee, I don’t know how they are able to say this without a bucket nearby to throw up in. There is an old saying “BS baffles brains”.
Let me repeat – the Australian dollar will cost the US $1.20 by the end of this year and the US is in a strong position!!!!!!!!!!!!!. and Australia is a nation of 22 million. Perhaps Daniel should get a better calculator next time he opens his mouth.

Multiple sources refer to the KLA having been on the US terrorism list in 1998. The bi-annual state department terrorist lists are 1997 & 1999 ( http://www.state.gov/www/global/terrorism/annual_reports.html ), not 1998, the year in question when the KLA was listed and then conveniently dropped from the list:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Kosovo_War

In 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization,[26] and in 1999 the Republican Policy Committee of the U.S. Senate expressed its troubles with the "effective alliance" of the Clinton administration with the KLA due to "numerous reports from reputable unofficial sources ".[27]

[26]
written Testimony of Ralf Mutschke Assistant Director, Criminal Intelligence Directorate International Criminal Police Organization — Interpol General Secretariat before a hearing of the Committee on the Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime (2000-12-13). "The Threat Posed by the Convergence of Organized Crime, Drugs Trafficking and Terrorism.". U.S. House Judiciary Committee. http://judiciary.house.gov/Legacy/muts1213.htm. Retrieved 2008-05-31. "In 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization"

"...In 1998, the U.S. State Department listed the KLA as a terrorist organization, indicating that it was financing its operations with money from the international heroin trade and loans from Islamic countries and individuals, among them allegedly Usama bin Laden..."

So you see, even though the State Department has scrubbed the KLA as a terrorist organization from its website, other official government organs and officials point to it being on the list in 1998.

Amer, I don't know what you consider an extensive internet search, but that is obviously not what you did. If you did an extensive internet search, you would have even found US news stations talking about the KLA being on the terrorist list until they were taken off when Clinton wanted to use them.