President addresses UN General Assembly

EA,

Status must be on the agenda. No unilateral proclamation is valid, that favours one-side and humiliates the other. Further, those that hopped on the recognition wagon must seriously look at themselves in the mirror and ask the question, how would one feel if a piece of their historic land was given away like that.

Time for surrender from the k-albo side. You have exhausted the patience of the west with your corruption - the west refuses to subsidize your criminal activities. I smell partition. Then the RS will make its own UDI as a back slap to the west for all of the trouble it has caused for the Serbian people in its stupid, pre-historic anti-communist foreign policy - there continues to be political dinosaurs in washington who scream about communism.

My main concern is how serious is Serbia when it comes to negotiation with Kosovo. Is that another demagogy from the Serbian side to misuse the word "negotiation" or "we are negotiationg", to refrain the other countries who haven't recognised Kosovo yet to continue doing so? Let's wait and see how long the negotiations will last but there should be a cut off point. Serbia will provoke a status talk...and that will be it. Back to square one.

Its funny and rather pathetic to watch and listen to president Tadic at the UN. Mr Tadics' official party is the (DS), but like his opponent, mr Nicolic, there is only one party in serbia of any relevence and that party is the (NA) - no alternative.

Accortding to the ruling elite in serbia, there is no alternative to EU membership for the country-therefore is it not logical that all the protocals for entry into the EU must be adhered to?-because there is no alternative.

in order to join the EU serbia must relenquish all territorial claims to kosovo. But here is tadic, at the UN urging other nations not to recognize kosovo. He has given up on kosovo but he fears if russia recognizes it that the cold reality of his betrayal will finally dawn on the serbian majority. Tadics' calls for other nations to not recognize kosovo is tailored for the serbian public and to many outsiders it looks rather cowardly-tadic and his regime asking other nations to do for serbia what its own government wont-fight for kosovo.

there is no alternative to the following: serbia must recognize kosovo independence and establish good neighborly relations with it, serbia must resolve amicably all internal ethnic disputes (autonomy for sasndzak, presovo, etc), serbia must open further dialouge with voijvodina authorities (straussburg papers) to enhance that regions autonomy and conduct a referendum on possible independence. serbia must apprehend all suspected war criminals. serbia must adhere to all european norms (even if the power brokers of the eu dont).

for the ruling elites in serbia there is no alternative to the eu. for the serbian population there is no alternative to the ruling elites.

to the people in the united states there is no real alternative to two basicly corrupt parties who both serve the same elite international interests. they have no alternative either.

welcome serbia to the no alternative universe-welcome to western democracy. enjoy!

EA that is the rub of the matter. Serbia will inevitably bring up status but in an indirect way. Out of the spotlight of the media it will be interesting to see how the Kosovo Albanian delegation responds. The problem is that if more than one Kosovo Alb political party is represented at negotiations talks are unlikely to remain secret.

And before any Kosovo Albanian walk out they will have to consult with the EU and the US. This might be when Serbia's gambit comes into play - the watering down of the UN resolution in return to try to marginalise the influence of the US and increase the importance of the EU on the Kosovo issue. Will the EU (be able to) tell Kosovo Albanians to negotiate and how much say will the US have and what will they say?

I also wonder if Mladic was suddenly found how this would impact. Don't count Serbia out quite yet.

As I've said before it'll be Serbia who'll ask to have negotiations on thechnical issues.
As EA pointed out "if the word status is mentioned during talks that'll be it".

A view from Czech Republic. Despite of Czech government's recognition of Kosovo independence in May 2008, the majority of Czech people are strictly against Kosovo's secession. For Czech people, it is very difficult to criticize Belgrade's policies toward Kosovo, because we bombed your country. (We were not directly involved, but it was with our consent - it is absolutely inexcusable.) We are deeply ashamed.
But I think that an exchange of Kosovo for EU membership is very bad business for Serbia. The same holds for any plan for partition. What will it mean for my friends in Orahovac, Velika Hoca, Gracanica or Novake?
(www.kosovoonline.cz)

When President Tadic says that Serbia will never recognizes Kosovo, he is losing his time? Who cares at the UN about Mr tadic's feelings and thoughts? It is the same when he says that General Mladic will soon be extradited. Nobody listens becausse we know that he is not logic. It is about time that he acts as a president.

"My main concern is how serious is Serbia when it comes to negotiation with Kosovo. Is that another demagogy from the Serbian side to misuse the word "negotiation" or "we are negotiationg"
EA

You have a very valid concern. I am however sure that in case of "make believe" negociations of the Serbian side Catherine Ashton will call Tadic to Brussels and will point out "few things" to get progress.

# My main concern is how serious is Serbia when it comes to negotiation with Kosovo. Is that another demagogy from the Serbian side to misuse the word "negotiation" or "we are negotiationg", to refrain the other countries who haven't recognised Kosovo yet to continue doing so? Let's wait and see how long the negotiations will last but there should be a cut off point. Serbia will provoke a status talk...and that will be it. Back to square one.
(EA, 25 September 2010 19:03)

Yes, it is EXactly the same ole bunk from the belgrade regime: we REALLY wanna talk, negotiate -- we will NEVER recognize our former colony as independent -- don't you either. they just recycle and slightly reformulate the same crap for the last decade(s) and then pretend to be modern, hip and eu-bound. yeah, right.

but it doesn't matter to me, since i am more than ready for talks with the blgd regime. the only problem is they're really not gonna like what i/we have to say. but maybe the Kosovar delegation will be a bit nicer.

here are my talking points to blgd regime:

--admit to genocide ag the people of kosovo, and enter into immediate talks about reparations for those many thousands of affected families

-- stop covering up the locations/details of all mass gravesites inside serbia, incl the mass burning sites of alb bodies in 99, esp in mackatica and trepca

-- arrest and prosecute all war criminals who are currently sitting free and pretty in blgd (and here is a partial list...)

-- pull yr MUP forces out of kosova, and stop torturing and tormenting kosova's citizens

-- when we talk with you, you talk with us as equals, not (former) master/colonials. or we don't talk. period.

that's just a partial list, and i'm sure the formal kosovar delegation will have a much fuller, more detailed one. but i think this will be good for starters.

so, when do the talks begin?

ciao.

roberto
frisco

- when we talk with you, you talk with us as equals, not (former) master/colonials. or we don't talk. period.

@Roberto you are twisting things here!
Its the way around Albanians are the Colonists here!
since the 1950s they came in huge numbers from neighbouring Albania and had lots of children. here some numbers in Kosovo:
1940: around 300k albs
1953: around 530k albs
1990: around 2mil albs
and in 1940 Serbs were a majority in Kosovo!
My point is that Kosovo is Serbian land and other people settled there and ethnically cleansed Serbians from there and now claim it theirs.
I call that unjust and Stealing/Crime!

Status must be on the agenda. No unilateral proclamation is valid, that favours one-side and humiliates the other. Further, those that hopped on the recognition wagon must seriously look at themselves in the mirror and ask the question, how would one feel if a piece of their historic land was given away like that.
(Dragan, Toronto, 25 September 2010 19:35)

Dragan,

I'm sure you don't want to hear this but, what the Serbs are really afraid of is to have the whole world having to witness on TV, once again, miles of Kosovar Albanians in 1999 being driven from their homes at gunpoint after being robbed, beaten, raped and having all their identification documents confiscated and destroyed by their "friendly" neighbors. Don't these types of Serb neighbors deserve to be, at the very least, humiliated for committing such heinous crimes. I'm sure most civilized countries that have not yet recognized Kosova, would agree. Status will most certainly NOT be on the agenda.

@Roberto you are twisting things here!
Its the way around Albanians are the Colonists here!
since the 1950s they came in huge numbers from neighbouring Albania and had lots of children. here some numbers in Kosovo:
1940: around 300k albs
1953: around 530k albs
1990: around 2mil albs
and in 1940 Serbs were a majority in Kosovo!
My point is that Kosovo is Serbian land and other people settled there and ethnically cleansed Serbians from there and now claim it theirs.
I call that unjust and Stealing/Crime!
(Stevie, 26 September 2010 21:32)

Nice numbers Stevie. Seems like you took them from the Serb government. By the way from 1940 to 1955 Albania had about 800K inhabitants. If 230K left then I guess 1956 onwards we would have 600K inhabitants. However that wasn't the case. Albania had 800K which it grew to around 900K to 1 million in the 60's. You know why? Because unlike your fairy tale Albania's dictator made sure that the border was hermetically sealed or he'd be governing nobody. Nobody left. You were killed if your sheep passed the border let alone you as a person attempted it. From the 60's to 1990 Albania had about 2.5 to 2.9 million inhabitants. If from 1960's to 1990 1.2 million inhabitants left Albania that would be a decrease of 50% of its population. Yet there is no decrease in Albania's population during this time. So as a result what you typed above is simply a lie. A country cannot lose half of its population while the population continues to grow. Such math is only possible in the minds of Serb ultra-nationalists.

My main concern is how serious is Serbia when it comes to negotiation with Kosovo. Is that another demagogy from the Serbian side to misuse the word "negotiation" or "we are negotiationg", to refrain the other countries who haven't recognised Kosovo yet to continue doing so? Let's wait and see how long the negotiations will last but there should be a cut off point. Serbia will provoke a status talk...and that will be it. Back to square one.

Time for surrender from the k-albo side. You have exhausted the patience of the west with your corruption - the west refuses to subsidize your criminal activities. I smell partition. Then the RS will make its own UDI as a back slap to the west for all of the trouble it has caused for the Serbian people in its stupid, pre-historic anti-communist foreign policy - there continues to be political dinosaurs in washington who scream about communism.

EA,

Status must be on the agenda. No unilateral proclamation is valid, that favours one-side and humiliates the other. Further, those that hopped on the recognition wagon must seriously look at themselves in the mirror and ask the question, how would one feel if a piece of their historic land was given away like that.

As I've said before it'll be Serbia who'll ask to have negotiations on thechnical issues.
As EA pointed out "if the word status is mentioned during talks that'll be it".

EA that is the rub of the matter. Serbia will inevitably bring up status but in an indirect way. Out of the spotlight of the media it will be interesting to see how the Kosovo Albanian delegation responds. The problem is that if more than one Kosovo Alb political party is represented at negotiations talks are unlikely to remain secret.

And before any Kosovo Albanian walk out they will have to consult with the EU and the US. This might be when Serbia's gambit comes into play - the watering down of the UN resolution in return to try to marginalise the influence of the US and increase the importance of the EU on the Kosovo issue. Will the EU (be able to) tell Kosovo Albanians to negotiate and how much say will the US have and what will they say?

I also wonder if Mladic was suddenly found how this would impact. Don't count Serbia out quite yet.

"My main concern is how serious is Serbia when it comes to negotiation with Kosovo. Is that another demagogy from the Serbian side to misuse the word "negotiation" or "we are negotiationg"
EA

You have a very valid concern. I am however sure that in case of "make believe" negociations of the Serbian side Catherine Ashton will call Tadic to Brussels and will point out "few things" to get progress.

Its funny and rather pathetic to watch and listen to president Tadic at the UN. Mr Tadics' official party is the (DS), but like his opponent, mr Nicolic, there is only one party in serbia of any relevence and that party is the (NA) - no alternative.

Accortding to the ruling elite in serbia, there is no alternative to EU membership for the country-therefore is it not logical that all the protocals for entry into the EU must be adhered to?-because there is no alternative.

in order to join the EU serbia must relenquish all territorial claims to kosovo. But here is tadic, at the UN urging other nations not to recognize kosovo. He has given up on kosovo but he fears if russia recognizes it that the cold reality of his betrayal will finally dawn on the serbian majority. Tadics' calls for other nations to not recognize kosovo is tailored for the serbian public and to many outsiders it looks rather cowardly-tadic and his regime asking other nations to do for serbia what its own government wont-fight for kosovo.

there is no alternative to the following: serbia must recognize kosovo independence and establish good neighborly relations with it, serbia must resolve amicably all internal ethnic disputes (autonomy for sasndzak, presovo, etc), serbia must open further dialouge with voijvodina authorities (straussburg papers) to enhance that regions autonomy and conduct a referendum on possible independence. serbia must apprehend all suspected war criminals. serbia must adhere to all european norms (even if the power brokers of the eu dont).

for the ruling elites in serbia there is no alternative to the eu. for the serbian population there is no alternative to the ruling elites.

to the people in the united states there is no real alternative to two basicly corrupt parties who both serve the same elite international interests. they have no alternative either.

welcome serbia to the no alternative universe-welcome to western democracy. enjoy!

# My main concern is how serious is Serbia when it comes to negotiation with Kosovo. Is that another demagogy from the Serbian side to misuse the word "negotiation" or "we are negotiationg", to refrain the other countries who haven't recognised Kosovo yet to continue doing so? Let's wait and see how long the negotiations will last but there should be a cut off point. Serbia will provoke a status talk...and that will be it. Back to square one.
(EA, 25 September 2010 19:03)

Yes, it is EXactly the same ole bunk from the belgrade regime: we REALLY wanna talk, negotiate -- we will NEVER recognize our former colony as independent -- don't you either. they just recycle and slightly reformulate the same crap for the last decade(s) and then pretend to be modern, hip and eu-bound. yeah, right.

but it doesn't matter to me, since i am more than ready for talks with the blgd regime. the only problem is they're really not gonna like what i/we have to say. but maybe the Kosovar delegation will be a bit nicer.

here are my talking points to blgd regime:

--admit to genocide ag the people of kosovo, and enter into immediate talks about reparations for those many thousands of affected families

-- stop covering up the locations/details of all mass gravesites inside serbia, incl the mass burning sites of alb bodies in 99, esp in mackatica and trepca

-- arrest and prosecute all war criminals who are currently sitting free and pretty in blgd (and here is a partial list...)

-- pull yr MUP forces out of kosova, and stop torturing and tormenting kosova's citizens

-- when we talk with you, you talk with us as equals, not (former) master/colonials. or we don't talk. period.

that's just a partial list, and i'm sure the formal kosovar delegation will have a much fuller, more detailed one. but i think this will be good for starters.

so, when do the talks begin?

ciao.

roberto
frisco

A view from Czech Republic. Despite of Czech government's recognition of Kosovo independence in May 2008, the majority of Czech people are strictly against Kosovo's secession. For Czech people, it is very difficult to criticize Belgrade's policies toward Kosovo, because we bombed your country. (We were not directly involved, but it was with our consent - it is absolutely inexcusable.) We are deeply ashamed.
But I think that an exchange of Kosovo for EU membership is very bad business for Serbia. The same holds for any plan for partition. What will it mean for my friends in Orahovac, Velika Hoca, Gracanica or Novake?
(www.kosovoonline.cz)

- when we talk with you, you talk with us as equals, not (former) master/colonials. or we don't talk. period.

@Roberto you are twisting things here!
Its the way around Albanians are the Colonists here!
since the 1950s they came in huge numbers from neighbouring Albania and had lots of children. here some numbers in Kosovo:
1940: around 300k albs
1953: around 530k albs
1990: around 2mil albs
and in 1940 Serbs were a majority in Kosovo!
My point is that Kosovo is Serbian land and other people settled there and ethnically cleansed Serbians from there and now claim it theirs.
I call that unjust and Stealing/Crime!

When President Tadic says that Serbia will never recognizes Kosovo, he is losing his time? Who cares at the UN about Mr tadic's feelings and thoughts? It is the same when he says that General Mladic will soon be extradited. Nobody listens becausse we know that he is not logic. It is about time that he acts as a president.

Status must be on the agenda. No unilateral proclamation is valid, that favours one-side and humiliates the other. Further, those that hopped on the recognition wagon must seriously look at themselves in the mirror and ask the question, how would one feel if a piece of their historic land was given away like that.
(Dragan, Toronto, 25 September 2010 19:35)

Dragan,

I'm sure you don't want to hear this but, what the Serbs are really afraid of is to have the whole world having to witness on TV, once again, miles of Kosovar Albanians in 1999 being driven from their homes at gunpoint after being robbed, beaten, raped and having all their identification documents confiscated and destroyed by their "friendly" neighbors. Don't these types of Serb neighbors deserve to be, at the very least, humiliated for committing such heinous crimes. I'm sure most civilized countries that have not yet recognized Kosova, would agree. Status will most certainly NOT be on the agenda.

@Roberto you are twisting things here!
Its the way around Albanians are the Colonists here!
since the 1950s they came in huge numbers from neighbouring Albania and had lots of children. here some numbers in Kosovo:
1940: around 300k albs
1953: around 530k albs
1990: around 2mil albs
and in 1940 Serbs were a majority in Kosovo!
My point is that Kosovo is Serbian land and other people settled there and ethnically cleansed Serbians from there and now claim it theirs.
I call that unjust and Stealing/Crime!
(Stevie, 26 September 2010 21:32)

Nice numbers Stevie. Seems like you took them from the Serb government. By the way from 1940 to 1955 Albania had about 800K inhabitants. If 230K left then I guess 1956 onwards we would have 600K inhabitants. However that wasn't the case. Albania had 800K which it grew to around 900K to 1 million in the 60's. You know why? Because unlike your fairy tale Albania's dictator made sure that the border was hermetically sealed or he'd be governing nobody. Nobody left. You were killed if your sheep passed the border let alone you as a person attempted it. From the 60's to 1990 Albania had about 2.5 to 2.9 million inhabitants. If from 1960's to 1990 1.2 million inhabitants left Albania that would be a decrease of 50% of its population. Yet there is no decrease in Albania's population during this time. So as a result what you typed above is simply a lie. A country cannot lose half of its population while the population continues to grow. Such math is only possible in the minds of Serb ultra-nationalists.