Daily: Kosovo talks in October

It is not known whether the "patron" of the talks will be the EU or the UN. Negotiations between Belgrade and Priština will begin in late October.

UN ???

What does UN has to do with Prishtina and Belgrade talking about technical issues?
Brussels and Washington Yes, bot no one else.

The truth is that Serbia really is not in a position to set "red lines" if it really wants peace, stability and well-being of people living in Kosovo.

The talks will not be easy at all if Serbia sets "red lines". These kind of talks will be a waste of time for everyone. If they fail, Serbia will not have the slightetest chance to join EU. It is as simple as that. Kosovo is lost we all know that but EU also will be lost.
Will it be Serbia's "red line" not recognising Kosovo passport? What a waste of time will be these kind of negotiations...))

Sad part is that public of Serbia is being poisoned by deceit being controlled by a minority of nationalists who hate everything about people of Kosovo. Our dearest former and hopefully last forme one, Kosovo, is long gone.
what I don't get is why afraid to tell me the truth?
Do I care about it?No. I strongly believe Tadic,Thaci, Djukanovic, Gruevski, Berisha are interconnected through their underworld business. Kosovo is not about people, land or wealth. it's about personal interests where personal gain is a matter of cause, not people.
Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo but serbia wants to ask and get what it can
because status will never happen..envoys wont be appointed.
UN or EU approval not needed
we agreed we move to EU. Serbia is entering the path to recognizing Kosovo.

"UN is the paramount forum for dialogue on matters of international peace and security. "
Jim

Jim either you don't get it or as I suspect you don't want to accept the reality.
The truth is that this dialogue will start mainly at the urging of the EU, who is calling the shots because Serbia wants to become an EU member. If Serbia aim wouldn't be EU membership she could completely disregard the EU and its presure and accept only the UN as forum. Serbia however doesn't have this luxury of choice.

"Jim either you don't get it or as I suspect you don't want to accept the reality.
The truth is that this dialogue will start mainly at the urging of the EU, who is calling the shots because Serbia wants to become an EU member. If Serbia aim wouldn't be EU membership she could completely disregard the EU and its presure and accept only the UN as forum. Serbia however doesn't have this luxury of choice.
(Joe, 25 September 2010 21:58) "

Not quite accurate what you wrote. The truth is not that Serbia doesn't have a choice. It is really Tadic who doesn't have a choice since he was elected on the EU platform. And he is running out of time before the next election becomes due. I wonder how many in Serbia right now want EU membership at any cost. Are you aware of any recent survey?

Kosovo-USA - grow up and show some maturity for once! The UN has everything to do with it. After all, UNSCR 1244 is officially still in place (even the supporters of the UDI accept this), and the forthcoming talks have been convened following a UNGA resolution. You may not like this, but that is how it is.

More to the point, if you want Kosovo to become a real state you need to get used to the fact that the UN is the paramount forum for dialogue on matters of international peace and security. Every state is technically and officially answerable to it. Kosovo can be no different - unless, of course, it isn't really a state or doesn't want to be.

If KAs want Kosovo to be a state the best thing you can do is start behaving in a more dignified and statesmanlike manner - and stop acting like petulant children.

You people are very naive if you think Serbia will recognize "Kosovo" as a country. The resolution states nothing about technical issues and does not rule out status talks. The status of "Kosovo" will be discussed wether the Albanians like it or not. You can not join the EU, UN, or be a legitimate country if 60% of the world refuses to recognize your right to exist including two veto holders ( Russia and China),if 352 KM ( 50%+) of its "border" is with a country that doesnt recognize it, when 20% of the territory ( Ibarski Kolasin, Gracanica, Novo Brdo, Ranilug, Strpce, Partes, Klokot, Gorazdevac, Velika Hoca) remains under the direct control of Serbia,and when 5 countries in the EU dont recognize you. How can you even attempt t calling yourselves a country? Kosovo is a unobeying Serbian province under UN protection. The albanians will soon realize that if they dont settle their status within Serbia, they have to say good bye to everything.

"The albanians will soon realize that if they dont settle their status within Serbia, they have to say good bye to everything."
Anonymous

Anonymous, I see Jim is not alone in total confusion. The start of the October dialogue will be the result of EU presure and serbia's eagerness to become an EU member. It is not about status but about the inavoidable technical items to settle TO PLEASE the EU. Without pleasing the EU serbia's progress toward membership will go nowhere.

"Serbia is entering the path to recognizing Kosovo.
ne

Yes, otherwise there is no EU membership. I think the Serbian government didn't figure out yet how to sell the idea of recognition to the population.

Here is the first topic to debate for the next 6 months -

The size and shape of the negotiating table.

I propose a large cross shaped table with 4 small semi-circular tables in the corners.

"The EU maybe handling the talks, but as ever it will be the Secretary-General who will be kept informed as to their progress".
Jim

No, I didn't miss the point. The point is that behind the upcoming negotiations there is also a second thing: the EU wants to see how and HOW FAST Serbia can recognize reality on the ground, an independent Kosovo. Without recognizing that reality Serbia can't become an EU member. So by dragging her feet in this coming dialogue with Kosovo Serbia - or as some posters put it - Tadic will hurt himself. So if there is no progress than on the Kosovo side the UN membership will be delayed but on Serbia's side the EU membership will be delayed, what Serbia - or Tadic - can hardly efford.

Joe - I get the feeling you just say things here out of boredom and frustration. You rarely seem to know what you are talking about. At least with the nationalist KAs who come here they have a reason to contribute their nonsense.

Seriously, isn't there some Hungarian nationalist forum
somewhere you can go and bore with your inane, prejudiced and supremely ill-informed comments - or did they get fed up with you too?

"Joe - I get the feeling you just say things here out of boredom and frustration. You rarely seem to know what you are talking about. At least with the nationalist KAs who come here they have a reason to contribute their nonsense.

Seriously, isn't there some Hungarian nationalist forum
somewhere you can go and bore with your inane, prejudiced and supremely ill-informed comments - or did they get fed up with you too?"
Jim

Jim, I was amused to read ythis posting. It looks to me like a Hungarian "gulyas", you threw in everything. To spice it up with a large amount of irritation and personal attacks. If my posts are so irrevelant than why are you visibly so upset? Otherwise you would not throw into your "gulyas" Hungarian nationalist forums as ingredient either, those forums that by the way as an American citizen I never visit. To cheer you up I give you a news you will like very much: In few days I will be on vacation in Europe for 3 weeks. You will not see my postings during that time. So less comments to confront you with the reality, more time to spend in your special virtual world.

No, Joe. You missed the point entirely. KAs spend their whole time criticising the UN and saying it cannot have anything to do with Kosovo. My point is that it has everything to do with Kosovo. Ultimately, the EU, as much as anyone, wants a full solution to Kosovo that will allow it to join the UN and therefore be internationally recognised as a full state. To do this will require the support of the Security Council. The EU maybe handling the talks, but as ever it will be the Secretary-General who will be kept informed as to their progress, the Security Council that will ultimately have to sign off on that process, and the General Assembly that will vote on membership. The UN is still very much a key actor - a point that KAs would do well to remember.

Here is the first topic to debate for the next 6 months -

The size and shape of the negotiating table.

I propose a large cross shaped table with 4 small semi-circular tables in the corners.

"UN is the paramount forum for dialogue on matters of international peace and security. "
Jim

Jim either you don't get it or as I suspect you don't want to accept the reality.
The truth is that this dialogue will start mainly at the urging of the EU, who is calling the shots because Serbia wants to become an EU member. If Serbia aim wouldn't be EU membership she could completely disregard the EU and its presure and accept only the UN as forum. Serbia however doesn't have this luxury of choice.

It is not known whether the "patron" of the talks will be the EU or the UN. Negotiations between Belgrade and Priština will begin in late October.

UN ???

What does UN has to do with Prishtina and Belgrade talking about technical issues?
Brussels and Washington Yes, bot no one else.

Kosovo-USA - grow up and show some maturity for once! The UN has everything to do with it. After all, UNSCR 1244 is officially still in place (even the supporters of the UDI accept this), and the forthcoming talks have been convened following a UNGA resolution. You may not like this, but that is how it is.

More to the point, if you want Kosovo to become a real state you need to get used to the fact that the UN is the paramount forum for dialogue on matters of international peace and security. Every state is technically and officially answerable to it. Kosovo can be no different - unless, of course, it isn't really a state or doesn't want to be.

If KAs want Kosovo to be a state the best thing you can do is start behaving in a more dignified and statesmanlike manner - and stop acting like petulant children.

You people are very naive if you think Serbia will recognize "Kosovo" as a country. The resolution states nothing about technical issues and does not rule out status talks. The status of "Kosovo" will be discussed wether the Albanians like it or not. You can not join the EU, UN, or be a legitimate country if 60% of the world refuses to recognize your right to exist including two veto holders ( Russia and China),if 352 KM ( 50%+) of its "border" is with a country that doesnt recognize it, when 20% of the territory ( Ibarski Kolasin, Gracanica, Novo Brdo, Ranilug, Strpce, Partes, Klokot, Gorazdevac, Velika Hoca) remains under the direct control of Serbia,and when 5 countries in the EU dont recognize you. How can you even attempt t calling yourselves a country? Kosovo is a unobeying Serbian province under UN protection. The albanians will soon realize that if they dont settle their status within Serbia, they have to say good bye to everything.

The truth is that Serbia really is not in a position to set "red lines" if it really wants peace, stability and well-being of people living in Kosovo.

The talks will not be easy at all if Serbia sets "red lines". These kind of talks will be a waste of time for everyone. If they fail, Serbia will not have the slightetest chance to join EU. It is as simple as that. Kosovo is lost we all know that but EU also will be lost.
Will it be Serbia's "red line" not recognising Kosovo passport? What a waste of time will be these kind of negotiations...))

Sad part is that public of Serbia is being poisoned by deceit being controlled by a minority of nationalists who hate everything about people of Kosovo. Our dearest former and hopefully last forme one, Kosovo, is long gone.
what I don't get is why afraid to tell me the truth?
Do I care about it?No. I strongly believe Tadic,Thaci, Djukanovic, Gruevski, Berisha are interconnected through their underworld business. Kosovo is not about people, land or wealth. it's about personal interests where personal gain is a matter of cause, not people.
Serbia will have to recognize Kosovo but serbia wants to ask and get what it can
because status will never happen..envoys wont be appointed.
UN or EU approval not needed
we agreed we move to EU. Serbia is entering the path to recognizing Kosovo.

No, Joe. You missed the point entirely. KAs spend their whole time criticising the UN and saying it cannot have anything to do with Kosovo. My point is that it has everything to do with Kosovo. Ultimately, the EU, as much as anyone, wants a full solution to Kosovo that will allow it to join the UN and therefore be internationally recognised as a full state. To do this will require the support of the Security Council. The EU maybe handling the talks, but as ever it will be the Secretary-General who will be kept informed as to their progress, the Security Council that will ultimately have to sign off on that process, and the General Assembly that will vote on membership. The UN is still very much a key actor - a point that KAs would do well to remember.

"The albanians will soon realize that if they dont settle their status within Serbia, they have to say good bye to everything."
Anonymous

Anonymous, I see Jim is not alone in total confusion. The start of the October dialogue will be the result of EU presure and serbia's eagerness to become an EU member. It is not about status but about the inavoidable technical items to settle TO PLEASE the EU. Without pleasing the EU serbia's progress toward membership will go nowhere.

Joe - I get the feeling you just say things here out of boredom and frustration. You rarely seem to know what you are talking about. At least with the nationalist KAs who come here they have a reason to contribute their nonsense.

Seriously, isn't there some Hungarian nationalist forum
somewhere you can go and bore with your inane, prejudiced and supremely ill-informed comments - or did they get fed up with you too?

"Joe - I get the feeling you just say things here out of boredom and frustration. You rarely seem to know what you are talking about. At least with the nationalist KAs who come here they have a reason to contribute their nonsense.

Seriously, isn't there some Hungarian nationalist forum
somewhere you can go and bore with your inane, prejudiced and supremely ill-informed comments - or did they get fed up with you too?"
Jim

Jim, I was amused to read ythis posting. It looks to me like a Hungarian "gulyas", you threw in everything. To spice it up with a large amount of irritation and personal attacks. If my posts are so irrevelant than why are you visibly so upset? Otherwise you would not throw into your "gulyas" Hungarian nationalist forums as ingredient either, those forums that by the way as an American citizen I never visit. To cheer you up I give you a news you will like very much: In few days I will be on vacation in Europe for 3 weeks. You will not see my postings during that time. So less comments to confront you with the reality, more time to spend in your special virtual world.

"Serbia is entering the path to recognizing Kosovo.
ne

Yes, otherwise there is no EU membership. I think the Serbian government didn't figure out yet how to sell the idea of recognition to the population.

"The EU maybe handling the talks, but as ever it will be the Secretary-General who will be kept informed as to their progress".
Jim

No, I didn't miss the point. The point is that behind the upcoming negotiations there is also a second thing: the EU wants to see how and HOW FAST Serbia can recognize reality on the ground, an independent Kosovo. Without recognizing that reality Serbia can't become an EU member. So by dragging her feet in this coming dialogue with Kosovo Serbia - or as some posters put it - Tadic will hurt himself. So if there is no progress than on the Kosovo side the UN membership will be delayed but on Serbia's side the EU membership will be delayed, what Serbia - or Tadic - can hardly efford.

"Jim either you don't get it or as I suspect you don't want to accept the reality.
The truth is that this dialogue will start mainly at the urging of the EU, who is calling the shots because Serbia wants to become an EU member. If Serbia aim wouldn't be EU membership she could completely disregard the EU and its presure and accept only the UN as forum. Serbia however doesn't have this luxury of choice.
(Joe, 25 September 2010 21:58) "

Not quite accurate what you wrote. The truth is not that Serbia doesn't have a choice. It is really Tadic who doesn't have a choice since he was elected on the EU platform. And he is running out of time before the next election becomes due. I wonder how many in Serbia right now want EU membership at any cost. Are you aware of any recent survey?