Thursday, 23.09.2010.
09:28
A Kosovo Albanian government official says Hashim Thaci and Fatmir Sejdiu want to attend the enthronement of Serbian Patriarch Irinej.
Izvor: Beta
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But seriously, would anybody invite somebody who destroyed something that was theirs, into their home?
(Joe A, 25 September 2010 14:29)
In that case what are the Serb politicians doing in Kosova. Wait as usual that doesn't count. Serbs are allowed to burn homes and kill civilians. After all they're Serbs, and Serbia can't be punished. Look in your own backyard sometimes. It will do you good.
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Perhaps Thaci and Sejdiu should rebuild first the churches that they destroyed before they can set foot in this one. This is a deliberate provocation. When the invitation is denied, they can claim that they are soooo tolerant but the Serbs obviously are not.
But seriously, would anybody invite somebody who destroyed something that was theirs, into their home?
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Thaci belongs in a prison cell not a church.
Kosovo Albanians have been running a parallel segragated society in Serbia's southern province for as long as I can remember which is at least 30 years. Now they want to build bridges ! A little too late - you reap what you sow.
The Serbs and Albanians can only ever hope to compromise and that should be on equal terms.
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"Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque."
I'm not Muslim but have been in a mosque.
(JohnnyC, 23 September 2010 22:11)
Sure, if you were invited and you are a good person who has nothing against muslims.
Ask who were stoned or murdered because they are christians or muslims (i'm not talking about politics) if they want to let a murderer (like the snake for example) enter their holly place. Man you're place is not there.
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"johny" wrote:
They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks.
Hey johny. . .flock off!
(Nemanja, Connecticut, 23 September 2010 19:15)
Hahaha, post of the day Nemanja. In all seriousness, if it were religious officials of Albanian ethnicity one could understand a gesture of good will. These two are no religious officials and there attendance is a joke. Add to the fact that they will need added police protection which will disrupt the event and detract greatly from what it is about.
No matter, they are not invited as far as I have heard and this is private property of the Serbian Orthodox Church - so it's a non-issue anyhow.
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(thomas, 23 September 2010 18:03)
What are you on about?
I'm muslim and i have been inside many churches before. I even been inside ST.Peter's Basilica in Vatican.
Does this mean that i'm a murderer or a terrorist??
C'mon give yourself a break.
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--Anyway if you want to make sure that your church will survive and have a peaceful future then you will have to respect the will of the people surrounding the church and their representatives.
There dosen't stand in the Bible that Kosovo is serbian land. Your job is to read the Bible and send peacefull words to the people and not recognize states and solve territorial disputes. The president of Kosovo was invited to the Islamic Mosqee and the catholic church so why not to the Ortodox church ?? Because of politics ??
(Demi, 23 September 2010 15:58)--
Demi -- I couldn't agree more. it is a religious! ceremony. right? of the church, not a political rally, right? and no, "Kosovo is Serbia" ain't in the bible. but jesus's teachings are (new testament), at least as they'e come down to us. emphasis on love thine neighbor, not hate.
so it's totally appropriate for kosovars, and their leaders, to attend the ceremony.
now i get that most of their crowd isn't crazy about thaci and co. well guess what? we aren't crazy about tadic and co, believe me. They are... what they are. but we have to deal with them, and they have to deal w thaci and co., at least until replacements are elected.
serbia has lost control of their ex-colony, and has nothing to say about its leadership. that ship has sailed :))
and yes -- if it just devolves into yet another milosevic-style nationalist rally, then "religion" will have just flown out the window, eh.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
ps i've been in more churches, temples and synagogues than i could remember, and yes, mosques as well. so there.
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> if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque.
Really? In that case, you might be surprised to see some of the people in these photos (unless they've secretly converted, I don't think they're all Muslims):
A delegation of Serbian Orthodox clergy visiting the mosque in Peć - 2006
http://www.kosovo.net/images/pec2conf07v.jpg
Crown Prince Alexsandar Karađorđević in the Bajrakli Mosque in Belgrade -- 2002 (photo at bottom)
http://www.royalfamily.org/events/2002/OKTOBAR/21/photo_story.htm
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To be invited to the ceremony,You gentlemen Thaci and Sejdiu has to be a little cleaner to attend such a special SPC event.God willing it may come someday but that day is not to-day.You could proof to the World that you are getting better,more civil by restraining your trigger happy terrorists from disrupting this religious ceremony.Barb
wire around some of our Monasteries,more then anything else tell the story;Who you are and What you are.Maybe, just for one day you could cover that ugly face.
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Johnny, you are absolutely right. Also if the Serbs are really tolerant by accepting multiethnicity they should have no problems with the presence of those K-Albanian politicians.
(Joe, 23 September 2010 14:51)
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Not THOSE "politicians".
Serbs already have bouncers for this event. Haven't Thaci & Co moved up and are no longer bouncers?
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"Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque."
I'm not Muslim but have been in a mosque.
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why do you see here a provocation? Thaci and sejdiu ,as albanians, have been born and bred with religious harmony,as can be seen in every religious event in kosovo among albanians,when we attend christmas officeor at Bajram when catholics wishes us our holly day,and our religious representant attend religious ceremonies,be it in church mosque,synagogues or temples!
they just thought that serbians too, act with same tolerance and respect to others,what is obviosly wrong as your reaction and your church reaction prouve it
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Most of you who are advocating here for Snake Tachi to attend could care less about the Hierarchy and the well-being of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
Stop with the disingenuous behavior …. gesture of conciliation, my foot.
Hypocrisy at its best.
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Would politicians from Belgrade want to go to an opening of a new, Saudi-financed mosque in Pristina? I would guess not. The presence of the Pristina dynamic duo would be sacreligous. The Kosovo Albanians have no shame.
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" There's better ways for the two sides to build bridges."
Are you saying there's better ways to build bridges than the democratically elected representatives of the two peoples meeting with each other and talking face to face? How do you propose they negotiate? Should they use pigeons to communicate with each other? What happens if a pigeon flies over a wedding? Or maybe you would prefer Skype?
Seriously now, time and time again the Serbian elite has tried to exclude or not to be present at the same place with the elected representatives of the Albanians. We saw it at the UN with the show put up by Jeremic, and we are seeing it again. So as long as Serbian government (and Church) keep refusing to meet with those they say they want to talk with, those bridges you talk about are only in your head. Now, since Tadic said they want to talk and negotiate in front of the whole world a week ago, Mike how would you logistically organize the talking between Thaci and Jeremic?
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It seems to me that any fair minded and respectful individual would not even consider bringing politics into any discussion about such an event. I am in no way a religious person but I can appreciate when there is a need to be respectful to others' beliefs. Please try to imagine how you would react if Tadic or Jeremic or any other Serbian politician demanded and invitation to an Albanian religious event and then made threats of exclusion if their demands were not met. Lets try and keep the politics within the framework of political discussion. I think, if this is true, then it is a very cynical and badly considered demand. Please reconsider.
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"johny" wrote:
They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks.
Hey johny. . .flock off!
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Your peoples distruction of 150 Serbian churches in 11 years,could not be forgaten.
Stay the hell away..
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Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque.
If you're not christian, you have nothing to do inside a church, especially if you're a terrorist and a murderer.
Stop calling for your masters everytime you want to make movies ...
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"This is a sacred event, and their presence would be totally disrespectful. I don't think Tadic would be interested in attending some important Albanian muslim event.
(papajohn, 23 September 2010 16:48)"
-- There is no such thing as sacred whenever humans are involved. This is actually quite dirty. Supposedly "a man of God" who should turn the other cheek is not doing religious and godly things but dirty politics and policies of a state. Putting it simply this "man of God" is engaging in discrimination based on ethnicity.
Jason your logic is flawed. You mention that religious groups from Serbia will be invited. Well according to you Kosova is Serbia. Why then aren't then the Kosova Catholic and all the other Kosova Albanian religious communities invited. I would think this "man of God" either doesn't see the Kosova Albanians as part of the Serb communities or he sees them as part of Serbia but he choses to discriminate based on ethnicity.
This is a stupid move by the Serb church. Now those who should be for reconciliation not only have refused such an offer but are actively engaging in ethnic discrimination. Mind you this is a church and as with any other church its doors should be open for everyone, despite religious, ethnic, political or any other background. They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks. These are not the deeds of someone working for "God". This to me sound more like the usual dirty human deeds masked under the name of God.
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If it is the tradition that various religions attend the ceremony and people are genuinely interested to be there then in principle all would be welcome. However, if somebody's presence is just for political gain then anybody should have the guts and moral to stay away. Personally I think that terrorists should not be allowed inside the Serbian Orthodox Church in the Patriarchate of Peć and I would like to see the MUP arrest them when they set foot onto the church property. These terrorist have encouraged and participated in the destruction of many Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo and if it were up to them they would wipe all of them from the face of this earth or they will start calling them Kosovo Orthodox Churches. The fact that this important ceremony takes place in Kosovo shows that Kosovo still has a Serbian soul, something that will not change despite what 2M Albanians and corrupt Western countries want.
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First albanians burn down our churches in Kosovo and now they want to attend the enthronement. These albanians truly have no shame.
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Why do some Serbs always want to politize things? Even religous events? So what we hear is Albanians arent allowed to attent the enthronement? EU are you hearing this?
(Pejoni, 23 September 2010 16:32)
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Did you read the article? It said that if the representitives from Pristina aren't invited they will stop Serbian officials from attending. That may be the way mafia reconcile but certainly not the average person. In fact, that sounds more like an ultimatum.
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Why would Kosovo USA think Serbia wants to rule over albanians? In all honesty, I believe Serbs want nothing more than to rid ourselves from your company. That does not mean Serbs will abandon Kosovo for invaders however, so unfortunatley, a compromose is necessary in order to find a disengagement suitable and sustainable.
As the blundering fool northhapmton stated yesterday that ALL Serbs should be removed from Kosovo, it's amusing to hear that KLA mafia types want to attend a SERBIAN religous event when under their "orders" our churches have been under seige since 1999.
YOU ARE NOT INVITED nor is your presence welcome in any fashioh.
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What's this the Kosovo Albanians trying to muscle in and assert their authority over the Serbs. No thanks they're not invited.
They can invite ordinary peace loving Albanians who accept that they are living in Serbia but not the butchers of the Balkans aka Thaci and co.
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Why do some Serbs always want to politize things? Even religous events? So what we hear is Albanians arent allowed to attent the enthronement? EU are you hearing this? We are used to their discrimination back in the 80s and 90s so this aint news from Serbian side.
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Shameless so-called Albanian leaders politicizing a religious event. I am sure that these two are muslims, why in the world would they want to be at a Serbian orthodox enthronement? This is a sacred event, and their presence would be totally disrespectful. I don't think Tadic would be interested in attending some important Albanian muslim event.
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It's nice to see that some people here interpret this as Pristina's attempt at reconciliation. But I think that's hardly the case. Not when Thaci continues to stonewall over any additional concessions to the K-Serb community in terms of finding a negotiated compromise. There's better ways for the two sides to build bridges. This is, I have to say, an unnecessary publicity stunt by Pristina wanting to participate in an event that has nothing to do with them and something they would otherwise be disinterested in. They know the Serbs would say no, so they can then turn to their media and say "you see? The Serbs are unwilling to be Europeans like we are".
But if they're forced to come, I suppose it's worth seeing the looks on their faces when the Belgrade elite starts with the "Kosovo je srce Srbija" speeches, which they undoubtedly make some reference to.
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uck terrorists who butchered Serbs? No thanks, as far away from them as possible!
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@Jason (although I am not sure if I am dealing now with the one from the US or the one from FYROM -see the unrefuted post signed Jason, dated 16 September 2010 20:10, where one Jason claims: ..."they call us "FYROM" even though they live there.". Perhaps they are even one person, who knows?)
This is certainly no provocation (at least not less than the ceremony itself), it is "Realpolitik".
And btw.: It already works. If the elected representatives of the "province" are not welcomed, I do not see a bright prospect for "reintegration" of "KiM".
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The narco-politicians are already kissing up to Serbs bc they dont wanna end up like Haradinaj after the ICJ & UN failed to get them recognitions. Kurti is #1 most popular politician in KiM and I have a feeling the people Pristina may want to cut a deal to remain in power after re-integration.
(highduke, 23 September 2010 14:27)
All I can say to you is: " Just try to bring 2 mil people under Serbian rule". You are in for a big surprise.
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"If Serbian politicians are going why not Albanian?"
T48JJ
Wanting to be there is an extremely nice gesture of reconsiliation from the part of the K-Albanians. All Serbs should appreciate it.
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It is political when the patriarch dosen't invite all people to attend his inaguration. The serbian church is working as a goverment of Serbia and that is political. Why play this political game if you don't want the inaguration to turn political ?
Anyway if you want to make sure that your church will survive and have a peacefull future then you will have to respect the will of the people surrounding the church and their representatives.
There dosen't stand in the Bible that Kosovo is serbian land. Your job is to read the Bible and send peacefull words to the people and not recognize states and solve territorial disputes. The president of Kosovo was invited to the Islamic Mosqee and the catholic church so why not to the Ortodox church ?? Because of politics ??
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It is about time that this fictitious the so called enthronements move to Belgrade or Russia, thus not spoiling indigenous population ordinary peace and calmness.
Occupators should be aware that occupation does not last long and they ought to think to move northwards way ahead towards their ancestry land
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The narco-politicians are already kissing up to Serbs bc they dont wanna end up like Haradinaj after the ICJ & UN failed to get them recognitions. Kurti is #1 most popular politician in KiM and I have a feeling the people Pristina may want to cut a deal to remain in power after re-integration.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
Jason
Why not? If you think it is a provocation, call their bluff and invite them. If they show up and act stupid, put it on the news. If they show up and act well, put that on the news also. Better yet, just let them come and treat them like anyone else.
(JohnnyC
Johnny, you are absolutely right. Also if the Serbs are really tolerant by accepting multiethnicity they should have no problems with the presence of those K-Albanian politicians.
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This is smart by Albanians.... You say its a religious event then I'd like to attend and pay my respect [to all religions in Kosovo/a]. After all, look what's been built in the middle of Prishtina.
In a way, I also think they are keeping an order on things, you tell me its not political then let's hear it.
If Serbian politicians are going why not Albanian? Is this the message you Serbian posters here that are sending? "A Provocation?"
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"Serbian authorities for crimes against humanity!
(Predrag"
Now that is right and spot on, Try to convince Mladic and his crony nationalists to make the trip too ;)
And as for the Kosovo gov, find some real evidence before you run your imagination, all the Albanians have turned them selfs in.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason, 23 September 2010 10:01)
Why not? If you think it is a provocation, call their bluff and invite them. If they show up and act stupid, put it on the news. If they show up and act well, put that on the news also. Better yet, just let them come and treat them like anyone else.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason, 23 September 2010 10:01)
Anybody and everybody is allowed to go to St.Peter in Vatican.
I have a question to anybody that is willing to an honest to god answer:
Why Irinej is being enthroned twice for the same position? I thought one time is good enough.
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"This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason"
The multi ethnic Serb is coming out of his shell?
Any reason, or is it because they are the "others'?
(Drownewday, 23 September 2010, 11:04)
Hardly. As with most important religious events there most likely will be representatives of other religious groups from Serbia, including Muslim and Catholic leaders. Your argument is a flawed one.
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"K. Albanians want to attend enthronement"
We are indigenous people so it is improper to allow the part-time invaders to organize an event without the master/the legal-owners of the land. It is all Albania after all. Therefore Albanians are the bosses and they will call the shots.
It seems thaci may be seriously considering to ban all Serbian official.
THaci by offering minority Serbs his presence is doing a favour...because Serbia and serbs are getting more and more isolated day by day. So this is a worrying event too.
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"This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason"
The multi ethnic Serb is coming out of his shell?
Any reason, or is it because they are the "others'?
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What a joke!
This is nothing more than a propaganda stunt by the snake!
If Thaci is serious about improving relations he would turn himself in to the Serbian authorities for crimes against humanity!
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Another act of reconciliation by the Serbs more like.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
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"...sources from the Kosovo authorities earlier said that the participation of Serbian senior government officials in the inaugural ceremony will depend on whether the Priština representatives are invited."
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Yawn... Priština causing trouble again. They will get a slap across the hand again. We've seen it all before, all talk but no action by those who really are powerless. Yawn....
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"Hashim Thaci and Fatmir Sejdiu want to attend the enthronement of Serbian Patriarch Irinej."
An excellent gesture of reconciliation.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
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What a joke!
This is nothing more than a propaganda stunt by the snake!
If Thaci is serious about improving relations he would turn himself in to the Serbian authorities for crimes against humanity!
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"...sources from the Kosovo authorities earlier said that the participation of Serbian senior government officials in the inaugural ceremony will depend on whether the Priština representatives are invited."
--
Yawn... Priština causing trouble again. They will get a slap across the hand again. We've seen it all before, all talk but no action by those who really are powerless. Yawn....
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"This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason"
The multi ethnic Serb is coming out of his shell?
Any reason, or is it because they are the "others'?
(Drownewday, 23 September 2010, 11:04)
Hardly. As with most important religious events there most likely will be representatives of other religious groups from Serbia, including Muslim and Catholic leaders. Your argument is a flawed one.
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uck terrorists who butchered Serbs? No thanks, as far away from them as possible!
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First albanians burn down our churches in Kosovo and now they want to attend the enthronement. These albanians truly have no shame.
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It's nice to see that some people here interpret this as Pristina's attempt at reconciliation. But I think that's hardly the case. Not when Thaci continues to stonewall over any additional concessions to the K-Serb community in terms of finding a negotiated compromise. There's better ways for the two sides to build bridges. This is, I have to say, an unnecessary publicity stunt by Pristina wanting to participate in an event that has nothing to do with them and something they would otherwise be disinterested in. They know the Serbs would say no, so they can then turn to their media and say "you see? The Serbs are unwilling to be Europeans like we are".
But if they're forced to come, I suppose it's worth seeing the looks on their faces when the Belgrade elite starts with the "Kosovo je srce Srbija" speeches, which they undoubtedly make some reference to.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason, 23 September 2010 10:01)
Why not? If you think it is a provocation, call their bluff and invite them. If they show up and act stupid, put it on the news. If they show up and act well, put that on the news also. Better yet, just let them come and treat them like anyone else.
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"Hashim Thaci and Fatmir Sejdiu want to attend the enthronement of Serbian Patriarch Irinej."
An excellent gesture of reconciliation.
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Shameless so-called Albanian leaders politicizing a religious event. I am sure that these two are muslims, why in the world would they want to be at a Serbian orthodox enthronement? This is a sacred event, and their presence would be totally disrespectful. I don't think Tadic would be interested in attending some important Albanian muslim event.
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The narco-politicians are already kissing up to Serbs bc they dont wanna end up like Haradinaj after the ICJ & UN failed to get them recognitions. Kurti is #1 most popular politician in KiM and I have a feeling the people Pristina may want to cut a deal to remain in power after re-integration.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason, 23 September 2010 10:01)
Anybody and everybody is allowed to go to St.Peter in Vatican.
I have a question to anybody that is willing to an honest to god answer:
Why Irinej is being enthroned twice for the same position? I thought one time is good enough.
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Why would Kosovo USA think Serbia wants to rule over albanians? In all honesty, I believe Serbs want nothing more than to rid ourselves from your company. That does not mean Serbs will abandon Kosovo for invaders however, so unfortunatley, a compromose is necessary in order to find a disengagement suitable and sustainable.
As the blundering fool northhapmton stated yesterday that ALL Serbs should be removed from Kosovo, it's amusing to hear that KLA mafia types want to attend a SERBIAN religous event when under their "orders" our churches have been under seige since 1999.
YOU ARE NOT INVITED nor is your presence welcome in any fashioh.
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This is smart by Albanians.... You say its a religious event then I'd like to attend and pay my respect [to all religions in Kosovo/a]. After all, look what's been built in the middle of Prishtina.
In a way, I also think they are keeping an order on things, you tell me its not political then let's hear it.
If Serbian politicians are going why not Albanian? Is this the message you Serbian posters here that are sending? "A Provocation?"
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If it is the tradition that various religions attend the ceremony and people are genuinely interested to be there then in principle all would be welcome. However, if somebody's presence is just for political gain then anybody should have the guts and moral to stay away. Personally I think that terrorists should not be allowed inside the Serbian Orthodox Church in the Patriarchate of Peć and I would like to see the MUP arrest them when they set foot onto the church property. These terrorist have encouraged and participated in the destruction of many Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo and if it were up to them they would wipe all of them from the face of this earth or they will start calling them Kosovo Orthodox Churches. The fact that this important ceremony takes place in Kosovo shows that Kosovo still has a Serbian soul, something that will not change despite what 2M Albanians and corrupt Western countries want.
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What's this the Kosovo Albanians trying to muscle in and assert their authority over the Serbs. No thanks they're not invited.
They can invite ordinary peace loving Albanians who accept that they are living in Serbia but not the butchers of the Balkans aka Thaci and co.
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@Jason (although I am not sure if I am dealing now with the one from the US or the one from FYROM -see the unrefuted post signed Jason, dated 16 September 2010 20:10, where one Jason claims: ..."they call us "FYROM" even though they live there.". Perhaps they are even one person, who knows?)
This is certainly no provocation (at least not less than the ceremony itself), it is "Realpolitik".
And btw.: It already works. If the elected representatives of the "province" are not welcomed, I do not see a bright prospect for "reintegration" of "KiM".
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"This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason"
The multi ethnic Serb is coming out of his shell?
Any reason, or is it because they are the "others'?
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"Serbian authorities for crimes against humanity!
(Predrag"
Now that is right and spot on, Try to convince Mladic and his crony nationalists to make the trip too ;)
And as for the Kosovo gov, find some real evidence before you run your imagination, all the Albanians have turned them selfs in.
pre 13 godina
Why do some Serbs always want to politize things? Even religous events? So what we hear is Albanians arent allowed to attent the enthronement? EU are you hearing this?
(Pejoni, 23 September 2010 16:32)
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Did you read the article? It said that if the representitives from Pristina aren't invited they will stop Serbian officials from attending. That may be the way mafia reconcile but certainly not the average person. In fact, that sounds more like an ultimatum.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
Jason
Why not? If you think it is a provocation, call their bluff and invite them. If they show up and act stupid, put it on the news. If they show up and act well, put that on the news also. Better yet, just let them come and treat them like anyone else.
(JohnnyC
Johnny, you are absolutely right. Also if the Serbs are really tolerant by accepting multiethnicity they should have no problems with the presence of those K-Albanian politicians.
pre 13 godina
The narco-politicians are already kissing up to Serbs bc they dont wanna end up like Haradinaj after the ICJ & UN failed to get them recognitions. Kurti is #1 most popular politician in KiM and I have a feeling the people Pristina may want to cut a deal to remain in power after re-integration.
(highduke, 23 September 2010 14:27)
All I can say to you is: " Just try to bring 2 mil people under Serbian rule". You are in for a big surprise.
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Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque.
If you're not christian, you have nothing to do inside a church, especially if you're a terrorist and a murderer.
Stop calling for your masters everytime you want to make movies ...
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It is political when the patriarch dosen't invite all people to attend his inaguration. The serbian church is working as a goverment of Serbia and that is political. Why play this political game if you don't want the inaguration to turn political ?
Anyway if you want to make sure that your church will survive and have a peacefull future then you will have to respect the will of the people surrounding the church and their representatives.
There dosen't stand in the Bible that Kosovo is serbian land. Your job is to read the Bible and send peacefull words to the people and not recognize states and solve territorial disputes. The president of Kosovo was invited to the Islamic Mosqee and the catholic church so why not to the Ortodox church ?? Because of politics ??
pre 13 godina
Why do some Serbs always want to politize things? Even religous events? So what we hear is Albanians arent allowed to attent the enthronement? EU are you hearing this? We are used to their discrimination back in the 80s and 90s so this aint news from Serbian side.
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"johny" wrote:
They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks.
Hey johny. . .flock off!
(Nemanja, Connecticut, 23 September 2010 19:15)
Hahaha, post of the day Nemanja. In all seriousness, if it were religious officials of Albanian ethnicity one could understand a gesture of good will. These two are no religious officials and there attendance is a joke. Add to the fact that they will need added police protection which will disrupt the event and detract greatly from what it is about.
No matter, they are not invited as far as I have heard and this is private property of the Serbian Orthodox Church - so it's a non-issue anyhow.
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"This is a sacred event, and their presence would be totally disrespectful. I don't think Tadic would be interested in attending some important Albanian muslim event.
(papajohn, 23 September 2010 16:48)"
-- There is no such thing as sacred whenever humans are involved. This is actually quite dirty. Supposedly "a man of God" who should turn the other cheek is not doing religious and godly things but dirty politics and policies of a state. Putting it simply this "man of God" is engaging in discrimination based on ethnicity.
Jason your logic is flawed. You mention that religious groups from Serbia will be invited. Well according to you Kosova is Serbia. Why then aren't then the Kosova Catholic and all the other Kosova Albanian religious communities invited. I would think this "man of God" either doesn't see the Kosova Albanians as part of the Serb communities or he sees them as part of Serbia but he choses to discriminate based on ethnicity.
This is a stupid move by the Serb church. Now those who should be for reconciliation not only have refused such an offer but are actively engaging in ethnic discrimination. Mind you this is a church and as with any other church its doors should be open for everyone, despite religious, ethnic, political or any other background. They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks. These are not the deeds of someone working for "God". This to me sound more like the usual dirty human deeds masked under the name of God.
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"K. Albanians want to attend enthronement"
We are indigenous people so it is improper to allow the part-time invaders to organize an event without the master/the legal-owners of the land. It is all Albania after all. Therefore Albanians are the bosses and they will call the shots.
It seems thaci may be seriously considering to ban all Serbian official.
THaci by offering minority Serbs his presence is doing a favour...because Serbia and serbs are getting more and more isolated day by day. So this is a worrying event too.
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"If Serbian politicians are going why not Albanian?"
T48JJ
Wanting to be there is an extremely nice gesture of reconsiliation from the part of the K-Albanians. All Serbs should appreciate it.
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"johny" wrote:
They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks.
Hey johny. . .flock off!
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> if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque.
Really? In that case, you might be surprised to see some of the people in these photos (unless they've secretly converted, I don't think they're all Muslims):
A delegation of Serbian Orthodox clergy visiting the mosque in Peć - 2006
http://www.kosovo.net/images/pec2conf07v.jpg
Crown Prince Alexsandar Karađorđević in the Bajrakli Mosque in Belgrade -- 2002 (photo at bottom)
http://www.royalfamily.org/events/2002/OKTOBAR/21/photo_story.htm
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It seems to me that any fair minded and respectful individual would not even consider bringing politics into any discussion about such an event. I am in no way a religious person but I can appreciate when there is a need to be respectful to others' beliefs. Please try to imagine how you would react if Tadic or Jeremic or any other Serbian politician demanded and invitation to an Albanian religious event and then made threats of exclusion if their demands were not met. Lets try and keep the politics within the framework of political discussion. I think, if this is true, then it is a very cynical and badly considered demand. Please reconsider.
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To be invited to the ceremony,You gentlemen Thaci and Sejdiu has to be a little cleaner to attend such a special SPC event.God willing it may come someday but that day is not to-day.You could proof to the World that you are getting better,more civil by restraining your trigger happy terrorists from disrupting this religious ceremony.Barb
wire around some of our Monasteries,more then anything else tell the story;Who you are and What you are.Maybe, just for one day you could cover that ugly face.
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Another act of reconciliation by the Serbs more like.
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It is about time that this fictitious the so called enthronements move to Belgrade or Russia, thus not spoiling indigenous population ordinary peace and calmness.
Occupators should be aware that occupation does not last long and they ought to think to move northwards way ahead towards their ancestry land
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Would politicians from Belgrade want to go to an opening of a new, Saudi-financed mosque in Pristina? I would guess not. The presence of the Pristina dynamic duo would be sacreligous. The Kosovo Albanians have no shame.
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Most of you who are advocating here for Snake Tachi to attend could care less about the Hierarchy and the well-being of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
Stop with the disingenuous behavior …. gesture of conciliation, my foot.
Hypocrisy at its best.
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--Anyway if you want to make sure that your church will survive and have a peaceful future then you will have to respect the will of the people surrounding the church and their representatives.
There dosen't stand in the Bible that Kosovo is serbian land. Your job is to read the Bible and send peacefull words to the people and not recognize states and solve territorial disputes. The president of Kosovo was invited to the Islamic Mosqee and the catholic church so why not to the Ortodox church ?? Because of politics ??
(Demi, 23 September 2010 15:58)--
Demi -- I couldn't agree more. it is a religious! ceremony. right? of the church, not a political rally, right? and no, "Kosovo is Serbia" ain't in the bible. but jesus's teachings are (new testament), at least as they'e come down to us. emphasis on love thine neighbor, not hate.
so it's totally appropriate for kosovars, and their leaders, to attend the ceremony.
now i get that most of their crowd isn't crazy about thaci and co. well guess what? we aren't crazy about tadic and co, believe me. They are... what they are. but we have to deal with them, and they have to deal w thaci and co., at least until replacements are elected.
serbia has lost control of their ex-colony, and has nothing to say about its leadership. that ship has sailed :))
and yes -- if it just devolves into yet another milosevic-style nationalist rally, then "religion" will have just flown out the window, eh.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
ps i've been in more churches, temples and synagogues than i could remember, and yes, mosques as well. so there.
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Your peoples distruction of 150 Serbian churches in 11 years,could not be forgaten.
Stay the hell away..
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Johnny, you are absolutely right. Also if the Serbs are really tolerant by accepting multiethnicity they should have no problems with the presence of those K-Albanian politicians.
(Joe, 23 September 2010 14:51)
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Not THOSE "politicians".
Serbs already have bouncers for this event. Haven't Thaci & Co moved up and are no longer bouncers?
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"Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque."
I'm not Muslim but have been in a mosque.
(JohnnyC, 23 September 2010 22:11)
Sure, if you were invited and you are a good person who has nothing against muslims.
Ask who were stoned or murdered because they are christians or muslims (i'm not talking about politics) if they want to let a murderer (like the snake for example) enter their holly place. Man you're place is not there.
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(thomas, 23 September 2010 18:03)
What are you on about?
I'm muslim and i have been inside many churches before. I even been inside ST.Peter's Basilica in Vatican.
Does this mean that i'm a murderer or a terrorist??
C'mon give yourself a break.
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why do you see here a provocation? Thaci and sejdiu ,as albanians, have been born and bred with religious harmony,as can be seen in every religious event in kosovo among albanians,when we attend christmas officeor at Bajram when catholics wishes us our holly day,and our religious representant attend religious ceremonies,be it in church mosque,synagogues or temples!
they just thought that serbians too, act with same tolerance and respect to others,what is obviosly wrong as your reaction and your church reaction prouve it
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" There's better ways for the two sides to build bridges."
Are you saying there's better ways to build bridges than the democratically elected representatives of the two peoples meeting with each other and talking face to face? How do you propose they negotiate? Should they use pigeons to communicate with each other? What happens if a pigeon flies over a wedding? Or maybe you would prefer Skype?
Seriously now, time and time again the Serbian elite has tried to exclude or not to be present at the same place with the elected representatives of the Albanians. We saw it at the UN with the show put up by Jeremic, and we are seeing it again. So as long as Serbian government (and Church) keep refusing to meet with those they say they want to talk with, those bridges you talk about are only in your head. Now, since Tadic said they want to talk and negotiate in front of the whole world a week ago, Mike how would you logistically organize the talking between Thaci and Jeremic?
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"Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque."
I'm not Muslim but have been in a mosque.
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Thaci belongs in a prison cell not a church.
Kosovo Albanians have been running a parallel segragated society in Serbia's southern province for as long as I can remember which is at least 30 years. Now they want to build bridges ! A little too late - you reap what you sow.
The Serbs and Albanians can only ever hope to compromise and that should be on equal terms.
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Perhaps Thaci and Sejdiu should rebuild first the churches that they destroyed before they can set foot in this one. This is a deliberate provocation. When the invitation is denied, they can claim that they are soooo tolerant but the Serbs obviously are not.
But seriously, would anybody invite somebody who destroyed something that was theirs, into their home?
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But seriously, would anybody invite somebody who destroyed something that was theirs, into their home?
(Joe A, 25 September 2010 14:29)
In that case what are the Serb politicians doing in Kosova. Wait as usual that doesn't count. Serbs are allowed to burn homes and kill civilians. After all they're Serbs, and Serbia can't be punished. Look in your own backyard sometimes. It will do you good.
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"Hashim Thaci and Fatmir Sejdiu want to attend the enthronement of Serbian Patriarch Irinej."
An excellent gesture of reconciliation.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason, 23 September 2010 10:01)
Anybody and everybody is allowed to go to St.Peter in Vatican.
I have a question to anybody that is willing to an honest to god answer:
Why Irinej is being enthroned twice for the same position? I thought one time is good enough.
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"Serbian authorities for crimes against humanity!
(Predrag"
Now that is right and spot on, Try to convince Mladic and his crony nationalists to make the trip too ;)
And as for the Kosovo gov, find some real evidence before you run your imagination, all the Albanians have turned them selfs in.
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"This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason"
The multi ethnic Serb is coming out of his shell?
Any reason, or is it because they are the "others'?
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
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Why do some Serbs always want to politize things? Even religous events? So what we hear is Albanians arent allowed to attent the enthronement? EU are you hearing this? We are used to their discrimination back in the 80s and 90s so this aint news from Serbian side.
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It is about time that this fictitious the so called enthronements move to Belgrade or Russia, thus not spoiling indigenous population ordinary peace and calmness.
Occupators should be aware that occupation does not last long and they ought to think to move northwards way ahead towards their ancestry land
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What a joke!
This is nothing more than a propaganda stunt by the snake!
If Thaci is serious about improving relations he would turn himself in to the Serbian authorities for crimes against humanity!
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"If Serbian politicians are going why not Albanian?"
T48JJ
Wanting to be there is an extremely nice gesture of reconsiliation from the part of the K-Albanians. All Serbs should appreciate it.
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"...sources from the Kosovo authorities earlier said that the participation of Serbian senior government officials in the inaugural ceremony will depend on whether the Priština representatives are invited."
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Yawn... Priština causing trouble again. They will get a slap across the hand again. We've seen it all before, all talk but no action by those who really are powerless. Yawn....
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--Anyway if you want to make sure that your church will survive and have a peaceful future then you will have to respect the will of the people surrounding the church and their representatives.
There dosen't stand in the Bible that Kosovo is serbian land. Your job is to read the Bible and send peacefull words to the people and not recognize states and solve territorial disputes. The president of Kosovo was invited to the Islamic Mosqee and the catholic church so why not to the Ortodox church ?? Because of politics ??
(Demi, 23 September 2010 15:58)--
Demi -- I couldn't agree more. it is a religious! ceremony. right? of the church, not a political rally, right? and no, "Kosovo is Serbia" ain't in the bible. but jesus's teachings are (new testament), at least as they'e come down to us. emphasis on love thine neighbor, not hate.
so it's totally appropriate for kosovars, and their leaders, to attend the ceremony.
now i get that most of their crowd isn't crazy about thaci and co. well guess what? we aren't crazy about tadic and co, believe me. They are... what they are. but we have to deal with them, and they have to deal w thaci and co., at least until replacements are elected.
serbia has lost control of their ex-colony, and has nothing to say about its leadership. that ship has sailed :))
and yes -- if it just devolves into yet another milosevic-style nationalist rally, then "religion" will have just flown out the window, eh.
ciao!
roberto
frisco
ps i've been in more churches, temples and synagogues than i could remember, and yes, mosques as well. so there.
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The narco-politicians are already kissing up to Serbs bc they dont wanna end up like Haradinaj after the ICJ & UN failed to get them recognitions. Kurti is #1 most popular politician in KiM and I have a feeling the people Pristina may want to cut a deal to remain in power after re-integration.
(highduke, 23 September 2010 14:27)
All I can say to you is: " Just try to bring 2 mil people under Serbian rule". You are in for a big surprise.
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"K. Albanians want to attend enthronement"
We are indigenous people so it is improper to allow the part-time invaders to organize an event without the master/the legal-owners of the land. It is all Albania after all. Therefore Albanians are the bosses and they will call the shots.
It seems thaci may be seriously considering to ban all Serbian official.
THaci by offering minority Serbs his presence is doing a favour...because Serbia and serbs are getting more and more isolated day by day. So this is a worrying event too.
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason, 23 September 2010 10:01)
Why not? If you think it is a provocation, call their bluff and invite them. If they show up and act stupid, put it on the news. If they show up and act well, put that on the news also. Better yet, just let them come and treat them like anyone else.
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It is political when the patriarch dosen't invite all people to attend his inaguration. The serbian church is working as a goverment of Serbia and that is political. Why play this political game if you don't want the inaguration to turn political ?
Anyway if you want to make sure that your church will survive and have a peacefull future then you will have to respect the will of the people surrounding the church and their representatives.
There dosen't stand in the Bible that Kosovo is serbian land. Your job is to read the Bible and send peacefull words to the people and not recognize states and solve territorial disputes. The president of Kosovo was invited to the Islamic Mosqee and the catholic church so why not to the Ortodox church ?? Because of politics ??
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"This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
(Jason"
The multi ethnic Serb is coming out of his shell?
Any reason, or is it because they are the "others'?
(Drownewday, 23 September 2010, 11:04)
Hardly. As with most important religious events there most likely will be representatives of other religious groups from Serbia, including Muslim and Catholic leaders. Your argument is a flawed one.
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The narco-politicians are already kissing up to Serbs bc they dont wanna end up like Haradinaj after the ICJ & UN failed to get them recognitions. Kurti is #1 most popular politician in KiM and I have a feeling the people Pristina may want to cut a deal to remain in power after re-integration.
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This is smart by Albanians.... You say its a religious event then I'd like to attend and pay my respect [to all religions in Kosovo/a]. After all, look what's been built in the middle of Prishtina.
In a way, I also think they are keeping an order on things, you tell me its not political then let's hear it.
If Serbian politicians are going why not Albanian? Is this the message you Serbian posters here that are sending? "A Provocation?"
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uck terrorists who butchered Serbs? No thanks, as far away from them as possible!
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This is a provocation, nothing more. They should not be allowed anywhere near Pec Patriarshiate.
Jason
Why not? If you think it is a provocation, call their bluff and invite them. If they show up and act stupid, put it on the news. If they show up and act well, put that on the news also. Better yet, just let them come and treat them like anyone else.
(JohnnyC
Johnny, you are absolutely right. Also if the Serbs are really tolerant by accepting multiethnicity they should have no problems with the presence of those K-Albanian politicians.
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Another act of reconciliation by the Serbs more like.
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Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque.
If you're not christian, you have nothing to do inside a church, especially if you're a terrorist and a murderer.
Stop calling for your masters everytime you want to make movies ...
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First albanians burn down our churches in Kosovo and now they want to attend the enthronement. These albanians truly have no shame.
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Why would Kosovo USA think Serbia wants to rule over albanians? In all honesty, I believe Serbs want nothing more than to rid ourselves from your company. That does not mean Serbs will abandon Kosovo for invaders however, so unfortunatley, a compromose is necessary in order to find a disengagement suitable and sustainable.
As the blundering fool northhapmton stated yesterday that ALL Serbs should be removed from Kosovo, it's amusing to hear that KLA mafia types want to attend a SERBIAN religous event when under their "orders" our churches have been under seige since 1999.
YOU ARE NOT INVITED nor is your presence welcome in any fashioh.
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What's this the Kosovo Albanians trying to muscle in and assert their authority over the Serbs. No thanks they're not invited.
They can invite ordinary peace loving Albanians who accept that they are living in Serbia but not the butchers of the Balkans aka Thaci and co.
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"This is a sacred event, and their presence would be totally disrespectful. I don't think Tadic would be interested in attending some important Albanian muslim event.
(papajohn, 23 September 2010 16:48)"
-- There is no such thing as sacred whenever humans are involved. This is actually quite dirty. Supposedly "a man of God" who should turn the other cheek is not doing religious and godly things but dirty politics and policies of a state. Putting it simply this "man of God" is engaging in discrimination based on ethnicity.
Jason your logic is flawed. You mention that religious groups from Serbia will be invited. Well according to you Kosova is Serbia. Why then aren't then the Kosova Catholic and all the other Kosova Albanian religious communities invited. I would think this "man of God" either doesn't see the Kosova Albanians as part of the Serb communities or he sees them as part of Serbia but he choses to discriminate based on ethnicity.
This is a stupid move by the Serb church. Now those who should be for reconciliation not only have refused such an offer but are actively engaging in ethnic discrimination. Mind you this is a church and as with any other church its doors should be open for everyone, despite religious, ethnic, political or any other background. They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks. These are not the deeds of someone working for "God". This to me sound more like the usual dirty human deeds masked under the name of God.
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If it is the tradition that various religions attend the ceremony and people are genuinely interested to be there then in principle all would be welcome. However, if somebody's presence is just for political gain then anybody should have the guts and moral to stay away. Personally I think that terrorists should not be allowed inside the Serbian Orthodox Church in the Patriarchate of Peć and I would like to see the MUP arrest them when they set foot onto the church property. These terrorist have encouraged and participated in the destruction of many Serbian churches and monasteries in Kosovo and if it were up to them they would wipe all of them from the face of this earth or they will start calling them Kosovo Orthodox Churches. The fact that this important ceremony takes place in Kosovo shows that Kosovo still has a Serbian soul, something that will not change despite what 2M Albanians and corrupt Western countries want.
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@Jason (although I am not sure if I am dealing now with the one from the US or the one from FYROM -see the unrefuted post signed Jason, dated 16 September 2010 20:10, where one Jason claims: ..."they call us "FYROM" even though they live there.". Perhaps they are even one person, who knows?)
This is certainly no provocation (at least not less than the ceremony itself), it is "Realpolitik".
And btw.: It already works. If the elected representatives of the "province" are not welcomed, I do not see a bright prospect for "reintegration" of "KiM".
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Shameless so-called Albanian leaders politicizing a religious event. I am sure that these two are muslims, why in the world would they want to be at a Serbian orthodox enthronement? This is a sacred event, and their presence would be totally disrespectful. I don't think Tadic would be interested in attending some important Albanian muslim event.
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It's nice to see that some people here interpret this as Pristina's attempt at reconciliation. But I think that's hardly the case. Not when Thaci continues to stonewall over any additional concessions to the K-Serb community in terms of finding a negotiated compromise. There's better ways for the two sides to build bridges. This is, I have to say, an unnecessary publicity stunt by Pristina wanting to participate in an event that has nothing to do with them and something they would otherwise be disinterested in. They know the Serbs would say no, so they can then turn to their media and say "you see? The Serbs are unwilling to be Europeans like we are".
But if they're forced to come, I suppose it's worth seeing the looks on their faces when the Belgrade elite starts with the "Kosovo je srce Srbija" speeches, which they undoubtedly make some reference to.
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Why do some Serbs always want to politize things? Even religous events? So what we hear is Albanians arent allowed to attent the enthronement? EU are you hearing this?
(Pejoni, 23 September 2010 16:32)
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Did you read the article? It said that if the representitives from Pristina aren't invited they will stop Serbian officials from attending. That may be the way mafia reconcile but certainly not the average person. In fact, that sounds more like an ultimatum.
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why do you see here a provocation? Thaci and sejdiu ,as albanians, have been born and bred with religious harmony,as can be seen in every religious event in kosovo among albanians,when we attend christmas officeor at Bajram when catholics wishes us our holly day,and our religious representant attend religious ceremonies,be it in church mosque,synagogues or temples!
they just thought that serbians too, act with same tolerance and respect to others,what is obviosly wrong as your reaction and your church reaction prouve it
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"johny" wrote:
They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks.
Hey johny. . .flock off!
(Nemanja, Connecticut, 23 September 2010 19:15)
Hahaha, post of the day Nemanja. In all seriousness, if it were religious officials of Albanian ethnicity one could understand a gesture of good will. These two are no religious officials and there attendance is a joke. Add to the fact that they will need added police protection which will disrupt the event and detract greatly from what it is about.
No matter, they are not invited as far as I have heard and this is private property of the Serbian Orthodox Church - so it's a non-issue anyhow.
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" There's better ways for the two sides to build bridges."
Are you saying there's better ways to build bridges than the democratically elected representatives of the two peoples meeting with each other and talking face to face? How do you propose they negotiate? Should they use pigeons to communicate with each other? What happens if a pigeon flies over a wedding? Or maybe you would prefer Skype?
Seriously now, time and time again the Serbian elite has tried to exclude or not to be present at the same place with the elected representatives of the Albanians. We saw it at the UN with the show put up by Jeremic, and we are seeing it again. So as long as Serbian government (and Church) keep refusing to meet with those they say they want to talk with, those bridges you talk about are only in your head. Now, since Tadic said they want to talk and negotiate in front of the whole world a week ago, Mike how would you logistically organize the talking between Thaci and Jeremic?
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Your peoples distruction of 150 Serbian churches in 11 years,could not be forgaten.
Stay the hell away..
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To be invited to the ceremony,You gentlemen Thaci and Sejdiu has to be a little cleaner to attend such a special SPC event.God willing it may come someday but that day is not to-day.You could proof to the World that you are getting better,more civil by restraining your trigger happy terrorists from disrupting this religious ceremony.Barb
wire around some of our Monasteries,more then anything else tell the story;Who you are and What you are.Maybe, just for one day you could cover that ugly face.
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"Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque."
I'm not Muslim but have been in a mosque.
(JohnnyC, 23 September 2010 22:11)
Sure, if you were invited and you are a good person who has nothing against muslims.
Ask who were stoned or murdered because they are christians or muslims (i'm not talking about politics) if they want to let a murderer (like the snake for example) enter their holly place. Man you're place is not there.
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Most of you who are advocating here for Snake Tachi to attend could care less about the Hierarchy and the well-being of the Serbian Orthodox Church.
Stop with the disingenuous behavior …. gesture of conciliation, my foot.
Hypocrisy at its best.
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Would politicians from Belgrade want to go to an opening of a new, Saudi-financed mosque in Pristina? I would guess not. The presence of the Pristina dynamic duo would be sacreligous. The Kosovo Albanians have no shame.
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Johnny, you are absolutely right. Also if the Serbs are really tolerant by accepting multiethnicity they should have no problems with the presence of those K-Albanian politicians.
(Joe, 23 September 2010 14:51)
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Not THOSE "politicians".
Serbs already have bouncers for this event. Haven't Thaci & Co moved up and are no longer bouncers?
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Thaci belongs in a prison cell not a church.
Kosovo Albanians have been running a parallel segragated society in Serbia's southern province for as long as I can remember which is at least 30 years. Now they want to build bridges ! A little too late - you reap what you sow.
The Serbs and Albanians can only ever hope to compromise and that should be on equal terms.
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Perhaps Thaci and Sejdiu should rebuild first the churches that they destroyed before they can set foot in this one. This is a deliberate provocation. When the invitation is denied, they can claim that they are soooo tolerant but the Serbs obviously are not.
But seriously, would anybody invite somebody who destroyed something that was theirs, into their home?
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"johny" wrote:
They should be inviting flocks to the church and hence to God not discriminating against flocks.
Hey johny. . .flock off!
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It seems to me that any fair minded and respectful individual would not even consider bringing politics into any discussion about such an event. I am in no way a religious person but I can appreciate when there is a need to be respectful to others' beliefs. Please try to imagine how you would react if Tadic or Jeremic or any other Serbian politician demanded and invitation to an Albanian religious event and then made threats of exclusion if their demands were not met. Lets try and keep the politics within the framework of political discussion. I think, if this is true, then it is a very cynical and badly considered demand. Please reconsider.
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(thomas, 23 September 2010 18:03)
What are you on about?
I'm muslim and i have been inside many churches before. I even been inside ST.Peter's Basilica in Vatican.
Does this mean that i'm a murderer or a terrorist??
C'mon give yourself a break.
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But seriously, would anybody invite somebody who destroyed something that was theirs, into their home?
(Joe A, 25 September 2010 14:29)
In that case what are the Serb politicians doing in Kosova. Wait as usual that doesn't count. Serbs are allowed to burn homes and kill civilians. After all they're Serbs, and Serbia can't be punished. Look in your own backyard sometimes. It will do you good.
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"Pejoni, if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque."
I'm not Muslim but have been in a mosque.
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> if you're not muslim you can't enter inside the mosque.
Really? In that case, you might be surprised to see some of the people in these photos (unless they've secretly converted, I don't think they're all Muslims):
A delegation of Serbian Orthodox clergy visiting the mosque in Peć - 2006
http://www.kosovo.net/images/pec2conf07v.jpg
Crown Prince Alexsandar Karađorđević in the Bajrakli Mosque in Belgrade -- 2002 (photo at bottom)
http://www.royalfamily.org/events/2002/OKTOBAR/21/photo_story.htm
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