K. Albanians accuse UNMIK over north

My Albanian friends,

Please mind that UNMIK is actually governing Kosovo. Kosovo still is a Serbian province ruled by UN as per 1244.

So this complain makes no sense at all!

It is like blaming the US government to govern California!

Again: Serbia and USA are states. Kosovo and California are 'provinces'.

Greetings from Western Europe!

Well, if we read on Wikipedia, it says that "UNMIK created constitutional framework for Kosovo, while authorised [by UNSC Resolution 1244] to create only legal framework". And this is considered a mistake from the part of UNMIK.

My point: UNMIK did the best to adjust to the realities of Kosovo ethnic make-up. In Pristina, UNMIK helped Albanians in their project of state-building. In the Serb-dominated Northern region of Kosovo, UNMIK tried to appease the locals and do the same (albeit at a smaller scale). Practicaly, this should be a proof that UNMIK was, at least, balanced between Albanians and Serbs :)

Let's face it: Northern Kosovo hase same chances to go under Pristina rule as Pristina has for going under Belgrade rule. Both Serbs and Albanians should fully understand this principle, and move forward with negociations on technical issues. As Romanian, I wish good luck to both sides, and may the best negociator win!

Yeah no kidding, that's why Kurti is the most popular politician in KiM. He alone knew Albanians would get played by the UN & the EU. Albanians should look to Dubai & S. Arabia.

More hot air from Pristina. What is it with their fixation on N. Mitrovica, anyway? They have overwhelming poverty, unemployment, crime and corruption in every in of Albanian KiM, and these so-called Kosovo authorities only talk about N.M. The Serbs in the north must really be a stone in Thaci's shoe. Do snakes wear shoes?

Let's be honest here. Albanian discontentment over the north carries the same mentalities as Serbian discontentment over the center and south. Both sides think they have a right to control a segment of territory that has remained off each other's respective grid for over 10 years, and is represented by institutions backed by the local population.

Any "improvement" with northern Kosovo will probably be managed in connection with Kosovska Mitrovica and the Serbian Assembly, the legitimate authorities. Pristina has more important things to worry about.

The KAlbos doth protest too much. Something they truly excel at. Still, it is the old trick of blaming the foreigners for everything that is wrong rather than cleaning up your own mess, i.e. the really boring stuff like jobs, investment, healthcare, corruption, infrastructure, rule of law etc.

It is nice though that they care so much about the Serbs that they are willing to neglect their own people and place themselves second...

To Genti:

"Transivalnia has no chance to ever be under Bucharest rule."

Sorry, but I cannot understand the meaning of your affirmation.
If it's a simple statement, then is not a true one. Transilvania IS under Bucharest control. For your knowledge, I shall go into detail: even the two Hungarian-minority-dominated counties (Covasna and Harghita, in the middle of Transilvania) are controled by the Bucharest Government, in which the Hungarian minority in Romania is represented by 4 Romanian citizens with Hungarian nationality - the ministers delegated by the Union of Democratic Maghyars from Romania (UDMR).

See, this is the way we - EU countries - are dealing with minorities. And this is not a joke: in nineties, we were forced to bent backwards by EU, OSCE and Council of Europe to achieve the reconciliation with our neighbour Hungary, as a pre-condition to accede into all this organizations... And we did it, together with our Hungarian friends. We are having each year joint governments meetings in Bucharest and Budapest, to discuss questions of common interest. Of course we have hot-minded extremists, both sides, but they are not the majority, and I dare to say they will never be.
Now, if Kosovo politicians think we will accept lower standards from Kosovo in dealing with its minorities, if and when will be the case, they are wrong. You think getting your independence recognized is difficult? Wait and see haw much damage can provoke a neglected minority (e.g. Serbs, or Roma) for Pristina, when is about joining the Western club! As Spiderman's father said: "With great power comes great responsibility!" and I'm afraid Pristina is seeing only the power side...

Ohh, if you statement is a joke, then you are wrong again: see, jokes are based on irony, which means saying something which is not true about a person or a thing, in order to show the discrepancy between how things really are and how some other people think they are; something like "Romania is the richest country in EU" will make me laugh and understand your (elegant) irony. But denying the reality, this is not even an insult; this is just some silly thing small kids are saying ("It was NOT ME who broke the glass, mommy!").

"UNMIK should take all the serbs from north-mitrovica and deport them bakc to serbia.they are all serbs ilegal immigrants" (northhampton)

-- If your own side can't do the ethnic cleansing, neither demand nor expect someone else to do it. Least of all a UN organization.

Zanier said that the UAM was established in 2002 as an interim solution until such time as a compromise is reached on the municipal administration in northern Mitrovica that is acceptable to all communities.

"Given that such an agreement has not been reached yet, the UAM still performs its functions," he said.

This says it all. And the same things are valid for UNMIK and the whole Kosovo.

"Again: Serbia and USA are states. Kosovo and California are 'provinces'."

Serbia and US are countries, Kosovo is a province & California is a state. Serbia was a state when Yugoslavia still existed. Calling it a state now somehow diminishes its status in my opinion.

UNMIK should take all the serbs from north-mitrovica and deport them bakc to serbia.they are all serbs ilegal immigrants.they should know that kosovo is not part of shcengen area so why the hell they are krossing kosovo border with out a visa.is time to clean kosovo from serbian ilegal immigrants.
(northampton, 22 September 2010 18:04)
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You sure know your history. Serbs have been "illegal immigrants" in Kosovo for centuries while Albanians who jumped the border in large numbers, especially after WW2 and 1999 are legit?

We are working with real logic here.
The only illegals in Kosovo are the Albanians who came in illegally from Albania. Serbs could not possibly be illegal because Kosovo was and is Serbia.

Transivalnia has no chance to ever be under Bucharest rule.

"More hot air from Pristina. What is it with their fixation on N. Mitrovica, anyway? They have overwhelming poverty, unemployment, crime and corruption in every in of Albanian KiM, and these so-called Kosovo authorities only talk about N.M. "


-- That is valid for Serbia as well. In fact it is a clear picture of Serbia.

We are working with real logic here.
The only illegals in Kosovo are the Albanians who came in illegally from Albania. Serbs could not possibly be illegal because Kosovo was and is Serbia.
(Peggy, 23 September 2010 01:26)

Interesting argument. Do you have any references for the statement about Albanians illegally migrating from Albania? Historians I reference are very clear about origins of Serbs in the area as their migration is very well recorded, but it seems the origins of the Albanians is not nearly as well documented nor agreed upon. On another note, is the historical presence of people on a land the most important variable when determing a modern nation's boundaries? I'm not sure that it is. Italy and Germany have only been nations since the 1800s and nobody is questioning their validity as states.

UNMIK should take all the serbs from north-mitrovica and deport them bakc to serbia.they are all serbs ilegal immigrants.they should know that kosovo is not part of shcengen area so why the hell they are krossing kosovo border with out a visa.is time to clean kosovo from serbian ilegal immigrants.

As Spiderman's father said: "With great power comes great responsibility!"

It was his Uncle Ben

nothing new,

there is only one Government Of Kosovo. Kosovo absolutely offers every opportunity for serbs to participate. but when zanir says

"...that is acceptable to all communities. "

Unfortunately, that is and all to used up cop-out line that theyve been criticized for before.

Parallel institutions run by belgrade are in direct contradiction to what THE UAM is for and is NOT an option. The Serbian Govt. is not part of the "communities" of kosovo. That there are extremists who only obey the serb govt.(those serbs that dont seem to mind being used as pawns of serbia)should not stop the rest of kosovo serbs moving forward. But UNMIK does.

The Incredibly shrinking UNMIK is busy trying not to rile up Extremist Serbs who wish to see a foreign Govt. set up office. where nothing will ever be acceptable in any way shape or form... and they will threaten violence to ensure there wishes. and that's the key point zanir always finds himself dodging.

Despite the fact that there ARE serbs who do participate and take advantage of every opportunity given to them.. They are left in limbo by the UAM's ineptitude. Nice message for unmik eh? Apparently, serbs with the potential for violence count for more than others.

Its One Thing if unmik is unable/unwilling to assert itself, its quite another thing when they want to hold off on helping serbs who do want to integrate further for Fear of what extremists will do.

It will be interesting to see if he ever expands upon what he means as "inaccuracies"

"With great power comes great responsibility!"

Thanks, JohnnyC, indeed it was Spiderman's uncle...

Apologies for mistake (I like Superman much more!)
:)

To all UNMIK lovers:

I like to see your so called SRSG zanier null and void any Kosova/o Parliament laws and/or resolutions. Where is little zanier hiding lately? ops, he is in midst of serb criminal thugs in northern mitro.

UNMIK should take all the serbs from north-mitrovica and deport them bakc to serbia.they are all serbs ilegal immigrants.they should know that kosovo is not part of shcengen area so why the hell they are krossing kosovo border with out a visa.is time to clean kosovo from serbian ilegal immigrants.

Transivalnia has no chance to ever be under Bucharest rule.

"More hot air from Pristina. What is it with their fixation on N. Mitrovica, anyway? They have overwhelming poverty, unemployment, crime and corruption in every in of Albanian KiM, and these so-called Kosovo authorities only talk about N.M. "


-- That is valid for Serbia as well. In fact it is a clear picture of Serbia.

"Again: Serbia and USA are states. Kosovo and California are 'provinces'."

Serbia and US are countries, Kosovo is a province & California is a state. Serbia was a state when Yugoslavia still existed. Calling it a state now somehow diminishes its status in my opinion.

My Albanian friends,

Please mind that UNMIK is actually governing Kosovo. Kosovo still is a Serbian province ruled by UN as per 1244.

So this complain makes no sense at all!

It is like blaming the US government to govern California!

Again: Serbia and USA are states. Kosovo and California are 'provinces'.

Greetings from Western Europe!

nothing new,

there is only one Government Of Kosovo. Kosovo absolutely offers every opportunity for serbs to participate. but when zanir says

"...that is acceptable to all communities. "

Unfortunately, that is and all to used up cop-out line that theyve been criticized for before.

Parallel institutions run by belgrade are in direct contradiction to what THE UAM is for and is NOT an option. The Serbian Govt. is not part of the "communities" of kosovo. That there are extremists who only obey the serb govt.(those serbs that dont seem to mind being used as pawns of serbia)should not stop the rest of kosovo serbs moving forward. But UNMIK does.

The Incredibly shrinking UNMIK is busy trying not to rile up Extremist Serbs who wish to see a foreign Govt. set up office. where nothing will ever be acceptable in any way shape or form... and they will threaten violence to ensure there wishes. and that's the key point zanir always finds himself dodging.

Despite the fact that there ARE serbs who do participate and take advantage of every opportunity given to them.. They are left in limbo by the UAM's ineptitude. Nice message for unmik eh? Apparently, serbs with the potential for violence count for more than others.

Its One Thing if unmik is unable/unwilling to assert itself, its quite another thing when they want to hold off on helping serbs who do want to integrate further for Fear of what extremists will do.

It will be interesting to see if he ever expands upon what he means as "inaccuracies"

Yeah no kidding, that's why Kurti is the most popular politician in KiM. He alone knew Albanians would get played by the UN & the EU. Albanians should look to Dubai & S. Arabia.

Well, if we read on Wikipedia, it says that "UNMIK created constitutional framework for Kosovo, while authorised [by UNSC Resolution 1244] to create only legal framework". And this is considered a mistake from the part of UNMIK.

My point: UNMIK did the best to adjust to the realities of Kosovo ethnic make-up. In Pristina, UNMIK helped Albanians in their project of state-building. In the Serb-dominated Northern region of Kosovo, UNMIK tried to appease the locals and do the same (albeit at a smaller scale). Practicaly, this should be a proof that UNMIK was, at least, balanced between Albanians and Serbs :)

Let's face it: Northern Kosovo hase same chances to go under Pristina rule as Pristina has for going under Belgrade rule. Both Serbs and Albanians should fully understand this principle, and move forward with negociations on technical issues. As Romanian, I wish good luck to both sides, and may the best negociator win!

More hot air from Pristina. What is it with their fixation on N. Mitrovica, anyway? They have overwhelming poverty, unemployment, crime and corruption in every in of Albanian KiM, and these so-called Kosovo authorities only talk about N.M. The Serbs in the north must really be a stone in Thaci's shoe. Do snakes wear shoes?

Let's be honest here. Albanian discontentment over the north carries the same mentalities as Serbian discontentment over the center and south. Both sides think they have a right to control a segment of territory that has remained off each other's respective grid for over 10 years, and is represented by institutions backed by the local population.

Any "improvement" with northern Kosovo will probably be managed in connection with Kosovska Mitrovica and the Serbian Assembly, the legitimate authorities. Pristina has more important things to worry about.

As Spiderman's father said: "With great power comes great responsibility!"

It was his Uncle Ben

To all UNMIK lovers:

I like to see your so called SRSG zanier null and void any Kosova/o Parliament laws and/or resolutions. Where is little zanier hiding lately? ops, he is in midst of serb criminal thugs in northern mitro.

We are working with real logic here.
The only illegals in Kosovo are the Albanians who came in illegally from Albania. Serbs could not possibly be illegal because Kosovo was and is Serbia.
(Peggy, 23 September 2010 01:26)

Interesting argument. Do you have any references for the statement about Albanians illegally migrating from Albania? Historians I reference are very clear about origins of Serbs in the area as their migration is very well recorded, but it seems the origins of the Albanians is not nearly as well documented nor agreed upon. On another note, is the historical presence of people on a land the most important variable when determing a modern nation's boundaries? I'm not sure that it is. Italy and Germany have only been nations since the 1800s and nobody is questioning their validity as states.

The KAlbos doth protest too much. Something they truly excel at. Still, it is the old trick of blaming the foreigners for everything that is wrong rather than cleaning up your own mess, i.e. the really boring stuff like jobs, investment, healthcare, corruption, infrastructure, rule of law etc.

It is nice though that they care so much about the Serbs that they are willing to neglect their own people and place themselves second...

UNMIK should take all the serbs from north-mitrovica and deport them bakc to serbia.they are all serbs ilegal immigrants.they should know that kosovo is not part of shcengen area so why the hell they are krossing kosovo border with out a visa.is time to clean kosovo from serbian ilegal immigrants.
(northampton, 22 September 2010 18:04)
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You sure know your history. Serbs have been "illegal immigrants" in Kosovo for centuries while Albanians who jumped the border in large numbers, especially after WW2 and 1999 are legit?

We are working with real logic here.
The only illegals in Kosovo are the Albanians who came in illegally from Albania. Serbs could not possibly be illegal because Kosovo was and is Serbia.

To Genti:

"Transivalnia has no chance to ever be under Bucharest rule."

Sorry, but I cannot understand the meaning of your affirmation.
If it's a simple statement, then is not a true one. Transilvania IS under Bucharest control. For your knowledge, I shall go into detail: even the two Hungarian-minority-dominated counties (Covasna and Harghita, in the middle of Transilvania) are controled by the Bucharest Government, in which the Hungarian minority in Romania is represented by 4 Romanian citizens with Hungarian nationality - the ministers delegated by the Union of Democratic Maghyars from Romania (UDMR).

See, this is the way we - EU countries - are dealing with minorities. And this is not a joke: in nineties, we were forced to bent backwards by EU, OSCE and Council of Europe to achieve the reconciliation with our neighbour Hungary, as a pre-condition to accede into all this organizations... And we did it, together with our Hungarian friends. We are having each year joint governments meetings in Bucharest and Budapest, to discuss questions of common interest. Of course we have hot-minded extremists, both sides, but they are not the majority, and I dare to say they will never be.
Now, if Kosovo politicians think we will accept lower standards from Kosovo in dealing with its minorities, if and when will be the case, they are wrong. You think getting your independence recognized is difficult? Wait and see haw much damage can provoke a neglected minority (e.g. Serbs, or Roma) for Pristina, when is about joining the Western club! As Spiderman's father said: "With great power comes great responsibility!" and I'm afraid Pristina is seeing only the power side...

Ohh, if you statement is a joke, then you are wrong again: see, jokes are based on irony, which means saying something which is not true about a person or a thing, in order to show the discrepancy between how things really are and how some other people think they are; something like "Romania is the richest country in EU" will make me laugh and understand your (elegant) irony. But denying the reality, this is not even an insult; this is just some silly thing small kids are saying ("It was NOT ME who broke the glass, mommy!").

Zanier said that the UAM was established in 2002 as an interim solution until such time as a compromise is reached on the municipal administration in northern Mitrovica that is acceptable to all communities.

"Given that such an agreement has not been reached yet, the UAM still performs its functions," he said.

This says it all. And the same things are valid for UNMIK and the whole Kosovo.

"UNMIK should take all the serbs from north-mitrovica and deport them bakc to serbia.they are all serbs ilegal immigrants" (northhampton)

-- If your own side can't do the ethnic cleansing, neither demand nor expect someone else to do it. Least of all a UN organization.

"With great power comes great responsibility!"

Thanks, JohnnyC, indeed it was Spiderman's uncle...

Apologies for mistake (I like Superman much more!)
:)