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European Commission "to raise objections"

The European Commission will object to Serbia’s blocking Kosovo in economic organizations and its problems in Sandžak, says EP rapporteur Jelko Kacin.

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KU

pre 13 godina

"Serbs need to concentrate on helping their own country themselves and through deals with countries (such as Russia, China, India, Belarus, etc.) which don't require a 100 conditions for every little thing."

Here is how a recent deal with China went. Chinese businesses were let in Serbia to sell their cheap products, as a result textile factories in southern Serbia (Sandzak) went out of business, and Serbs working there went unemployed and are unhappy now. Unhappy people often breed trouble. If I remember correctly all Serbia got in return was the promise of a veto.

Mark

pre 13 godina

@ MARK - Muslim-dominated/majority OPEC keeps mid-range prices for the same reason EU diplomats strung along Albanians:
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

Not sure what that means, but let me help you. If oil prices are too high, alternative energy sources become economically feasible for the private sector to develop, so OPEC could have very large profits in the short term, but would become irrelevant in the long term because nobody would need their oil.


the US, UK & half the EUrocrats are controled by S.Arabia/Dubai and Russia respectively via oil, with the EU as the latest battle ground.
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

What you call “control”, I call a seller-buyer relationship. US/UK/EU/China get the oil; the oil producers get the money. In other words the oil consumers depend on the oil producers (for the oil) the same way the oil producers depend on the oil consumers (for the money and the oil extraction infrastructure).


YOU are dreaming bc Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000, plus Muslim immigration to the EU makes it obvious. Not a theory. Fact.
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

Fact of what ? What is your point ? What do these facts show ? Come on man make an intelligent full argument. I.e. based on fact 1, 2, and 3 I think the conclusion is a, b or c. You just mention pieces of information (the oil, the Eurocrats, the Muslims, etc.) without saying what the conclusion is.

In addition, I don’t base analysis on films whose purpose is the profit not the analysis. It’s another thing if you base your analysis on documentaries made by well known entities not for profit, like Nova, Geographic Channel, History Channel, and the like.

Ron

pre 13 godina

The five countries in the EU not recognising Kosovo will also block Kosovo from institutions.

And so will China and Russia (and maybe even India and Brazil) at the global level.

Kosovo is a province! Like it or not!

Aleks

pre 13 godina

Kacin does not speak for the EU. He is only a 'Special Rapporteur', that means too many people think he actually knows what he is talking about. His role is to gather information and give a synthesized version to the Commission. That is just about it. As of 2014, Enlargement it QMV.

The problem Kacin has is that he cannot keep is own personal opinions separate from his job. It is not for him to judge but others. He's effectively a nobody. Do I have to remind you all who the EP's Special Rapporteur for Bosnia is (for the EP that is)? Doris Pack, the uber serbophobic german MEP with a string of fake academic awards from croatian, albanian et al institutions proudly displayed on her cv:

Resume here: http://www.eaea.org/index.php?k=15088

- Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995).

- Order of the Republic of Albania (2002).

- Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).

From her webpage: http://www.dorispack.de/persoenliches.html

- 1997 Orden der Republik Kroatiens (HR)

- 2006 Kroatischer Kulturclub, Silberne Taube von Vucedol, Symbol für Frieden und Freiheit des kroatischen Volkes

- 2008 Toleranzpreis des Parlamentes der Vojvodina (Serbien) [WTH is this?]

- 2009 Preis der Stadt Pogradec (Albanien)


She has the influence of a tubercular badger. Kacin is the same. If you think 'Special Rapporteurs' have sway over the big boys when they do the deal behind closed doors, then you are in for a rude awakening.

ida

pre 13 godina

Serbia should really forget about trying for the EU and to appease it - it will always come up with something new Serbia is doing wrong or has to do.

The same EU sends all sort of money on programs to groom Serbs (especially Serbian youth) to pine to get into the EU.

They know that if Serbs want to be in the EU, they hold power over Serbia and get it to jump through hoops on empty promises.

Serbs need to concentrate on helping their own country themselves and through deals with countries (such as Russia, China, India, Belarus, etc.) which don't require a 100 conditions for every little thing.

The EU doesn't today treat all of its members as equals, so even if Serbia was an EU member, it would be treated the most unfairly, I'd bet.

Joe

pre 13 godina

"Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000"
highduke

So what? Even if it would be 40 or 50% that wouldn't be a problem. If they buy factories they bing in money, if they run those factories they give jobs to the locals. It is a win-win. This is something that most Europeans could never understand because they hear those nationalistic slogans and their understanding of economic facts is subzero. I am amuzed sometime to read naive comments on Hungarian sites. They complain against the facts that their factories were sold out to Wewstern companies. Well if you can not run a factory profitably it is not worth too much. Also those foreign owned factories make up most of the Hungarian export and give a lot of jobs. Without them the unemployment rate would be twice as much.
Also when foreigners buy real estate here we welcome them. They can not take it out. Again Europeans in small countries just can't understand it.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"As for the energy dependency, if Russia plays the energy card too hard, it will backfire...

Have you ever asked youself why OPEC tries to keep the oil price not too low but ALSO NOT TO HIGH ?
(Mark, 19 September 2010 17:36) "

Exactly. Russia let its plans for using gas as an economic and political weapon be seen too soon, and the world reacted by increasing supplies from other sources. http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php?uniquenumber=67958 Enormous amounts of shale gas in the U.S. have helped lower the price of gas all over the world by shrinking the market for LNG, and Poland looks good to have even greater supplies. (Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria are also exploring.) China, too, has gigantic reserves and is starting to explore them. Add in Iraq and Iran (eventually) as new suppliers, and Russia's stranglehold on Europe begins to look a lot more feeble.

highduke

pre 13 godina

@ MARK - Muslim-dominated/majority OPEC keeps mid-range prices for the same reason EU diplomats strung along Albanians: the US, UK & half the EUrocrats are controled by S.Arabia/Dubai and Russia respectively via oil, with the EU as the latest battle ground. YOU are dreaming bc Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000, plus Muslim immigration to the EU makes it obvious. Not a theory. Fact.

icj1

pre 13 godina

"I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?"
Of cource they knew this all along but then again, they where imposed upon us by the EU with fraud threats & lies.
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

You’re doing precisely the same error that the Serbia diplomacy did.; i.e. the thinking that EU and US were against Serbia. That’s dead wrong. For EU/US Serbia or Kosovo are probably the same (actually Serbia may be more important than Kosovo for obvious reasons).

But the EU/US were against solutions that were not feasible. Serbia suggested that 2 M Albanians, who for 10 years were in practice independent from Serbia, be now brought back under Serbia against their wishes, i.e. through the use of force. That clearly was not feasible (except in the minds of fanatics who are driven by fanatism rather than the reality on the ground).

So EU/US were open for any solution, even if proposed by Serbia, that had a chance of being feasible. Even thought Serbia did not cooperate, Antisaari acted like the Serbia’s advocate and did much more for the daily lives of Kosovo Serbs than the authorities in Belgrade who just used them in their diplomatic game without achieving anything at the end, for both Serbia and K. Serbs, actually making K. Serbs lives more difficult. Antisaari prevented Kosovo from joining Albania (which would have immediately solved the recognitions issue and the UN seat). He provided for the protection of the churches; the creation of Serb municipalities in Kosovo; an enhanced representation of Serbs in the Kosovo’s Assembly (with even certain veto powers). These and other things that Serbia could have suggested were the feasible stuff. But Serbia stubbornly insisted on unfeasible solutions, so sorry, but if you insist on reckless solutions, you can’t expect others to support you on that recklessness.


Question is how much evidence the serbian western infected youths, raised on aggressive propaganda from NED & Soros color revolution, radio free europe and fairy tale lies about a prospering future further west if they only obey to yet more and more demands, needs?
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

Ahmadinejad would be very proud of you… There’s an easy solution to your concerns; Ahmadinejad’s solutions. These western spies should be thrown in jails, tortured, raped and a few hanged, like they did in Iran last year, and it appears it worked perfectly.


They violated serbian constitution by threwing P.Milosevic to the NATO gargantua wolfes in Hauge which led to an never ending stream of demands & conditions from Brussels for absolutely nothing but yet more threats in return...
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

Just a correction; the Court in The Hague is there under a UNSC resolution. So it’s is Russia’s as much as it is the Nato’s court. More precisely that’s an international law’s Court. Serbia can’t pick and choose which resolutions to respect and which not; all of them are binding.

Mark

pre 13 godina

It seems the entire EU bureacracy is split between fading pro-London old guard vs. new rising pro-Moscow realists who recognize their energy dependence on RUS bc we keep getting contradictory messages from all levels. The recent stringing along of the temp. inst. in KiM by the EU shows at least that EU foreign diplomacy is dominated by the pro-Moscow realists
(highduke, 19 September 2010 13:12)

Yeah, keep dreaming about the pro-Moscow part (like EU is a Russia's satellite)...

As for the energy dependency, if Russia plays the energy card too hard, it will backfire...

Have you ever asked youself why OPEC tries to keep the oil price not too low but ALSO NOT TO HIGH ?

Mike

pre 13 godina

Statements in relation to combating corruption and improving judicial reform and press freedoms are certainly something to consider.

But when you "agree to disagree" over Kosovo, when you "don't expect" Serbia to recognize Kosovo, and when you can't find EU unity over Kosovo's status, don't get upset when Serbia blocks Kosovo's links to international organizations. If there's a knot, you work to untie it.

karlsdad

pre 13 godina

What I read here from this Eurocrats, there are so many of them I can't keep up, is, we were responsible for creating this mess in the Balkans, so please be agreeable Serbia, and now resolve it for us. Oh, and if you don't, we will make life tough for you, and assist is stirring more problems on other parts of your territory. We have many willing accomplices.

dht

pre 13 godina

1.
"The European Commission will object to Serbia’s blocking Kosovo in economic organizations and its problems in Sandžak, says EP rapporteur Jelko Kacin."

2.
I think what Jelko Kacin really wants to say to us is:

- first recognize "Kosova" (and waive on all your rights)

- then give autonomy to Sandžak (as a first step towards the independent state "Sandžak")

-> and then the EU might - potentially - think about
accepting Serbia as a member state.

highduke

pre 13 godina

It seems the entire EU bureacracy is split between fading pro-London old guard vs. new rising pro-Moscow realists who recognize their energy dependence on RUS bc we keep getting contradictory messages from all levels. The recent stringing along of the temp. inst. in KiM by the EU shows at least that EU foreign diplomacy is dominated by the pro-Moscow realists but internal affairs, courts & intelligence by pro-London old guard judging by these EC statements, Ganic & the Sandzak orchestrations

petar

pre 13 godina

Michael not all kacin says is bad. His support for the Anti-corruption Council and introducing the Rule of Law in Serbia is essential. If you do'nt want Europe, you cant become a Switzeland without therule of Law.

wtf

pre 13 godina

"I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?"

Of cource they knew this all along but then again, they where imposed upon us by the EU with fraud threats & lies.

Question is how much evidence the serbian western infected youths, raised on aggressive propaganda from NED & Soros color revolution, radio free europe and fairy tale lies about a prospering future further west if they only obey to yet more and more demands, needs?

They violated serbian constitution by threwing P.Milosevic to the NATO gargantua wolfes in Hauge which led to an never ending stream of demands & conditions from Brussels for absolutely nothing but yet more threats in return...
We need to abandon the sinking ship now before everything is beyond repair.

What price freedom?

pre 13 godina

Long live dEUmocracy!

You have the right to agree with the EU and the right to remain silent. All that you say that is contrary to the EU will be used as evidence against you. Don't even think about legitimately defending your territorial integrity for if the map has already been drawn in Brussels then you will only be seen as blocking the "European Perspective". If your people insist on a referendum on any EU issue then you have 2 options: (1) Don't listen to them or (2) Keep having them until you get to the "correct" conclusion.

This is not what we fought Nazism and Communism for...

kate

pre 13 godina

There lies the problem. On one hand, the EU is status neutral as agreed with the UN and claims that it is able to conduct balanced discussions; while on the other hand they make noises like this (when Serbia is completely within her rights and within the UN/ EU agreement to block Kosovo's entry into international bodies).

The other major problem is the disunity in the EU. Some countries are pushing ahead and acting like Kosovo is independent, while the EU as a body is status neutral. Plus as soon as one country says something it is shredded by another EU country working for their own national interests.

I can't see the EU involvement working at all, for these very reasons.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Kacin should adress Zokurlic and his fanatical islam movement. That's the problem. However, Kacin seems to want leverage over Serbias objections to Kosovo independence by bringing up Sandzak as a Serbian problem. If you read between the lines, a future recognition of Sandzak by Slovenia will occure if Serbia does not give away more of its territory and inless it gives up on its people. I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Kacin should adress Zokurlic and his fanatical islam movement. That's the problem. However, Kacin seems to want leverage over Serbias objections to Kosovo independence by bringing up Sandzak as a Serbian problem. If you read between the lines, a future recognition of Sandzak by Slovenia will occure if Serbia does not give away more of its territory and inless it gives up on its people. I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?

What price freedom?

pre 13 godina

Long live dEUmocracy!

You have the right to agree with the EU and the right to remain silent. All that you say that is contrary to the EU will be used as evidence against you. Don't even think about legitimately defending your territorial integrity for if the map has already been drawn in Brussels then you will only be seen as blocking the "European Perspective". If your people insist on a referendum on any EU issue then you have 2 options: (1) Don't listen to them or (2) Keep having them until you get to the "correct" conclusion.

This is not what we fought Nazism and Communism for...

kate

pre 13 godina

There lies the problem. On one hand, the EU is status neutral as agreed with the UN and claims that it is able to conduct balanced discussions; while on the other hand they make noises like this (when Serbia is completely within her rights and within the UN/ EU agreement to block Kosovo's entry into international bodies).

The other major problem is the disunity in the EU. Some countries are pushing ahead and acting like Kosovo is independent, while the EU as a body is status neutral. Plus as soon as one country says something it is shredded by another EU country working for their own national interests.

I can't see the EU involvement working at all, for these very reasons.

petar

pre 13 godina

Michael not all kacin says is bad. His support for the Anti-corruption Council and introducing the Rule of Law in Serbia is essential. If you do'nt want Europe, you cant become a Switzeland without therule of Law.

wtf

pre 13 godina

"I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?"

Of cource they knew this all along but then again, they where imposed upon us by the EU with fraud threats & lies.

Question is how much evidence the serbian western infected youths, raised on aggressive propaganda from NED & Soros color revolution, radio free europe and fairy tale lies about a prospering future further west if they only obey to yet more and more demands, needs?

They violated serbian constitution by threwing P.Milosevic to the NATO gargantua wolfes in Hauge which led to an never ending stream of demands & conditions from Brussels for absolutely nothing but yet more threats in return...
We need to abandon the sinking ship now before everything is beyond repair.

highduke

pre 13 godina

It seems the entire EU bureacracy is split between fading pro-London old guard vs. new rising pro-Moscow realists who recognize their energy dependence on RUS bc we keep getting contradictory messages from all levels. The recent stringing along of the temp. inst. in KiM by the EU shows at least that EU foreign diplomacy is dominated by the pro-Moscow realists but internal affairs, courts & intelligence by pro-London old guard judging by these EC statements, Ganic & the Sandzak orchestrations

Mike

pre 13 godina

Statements in relation to combating corruption and improving judicial reform and press freedoms are certainly something to consider.

But when you "agree to disagree" over Kosovo, when you "don't expect" Serbia to recognize Kosovo, and when you can't find EU unity over Kosovo's status, don't get upset when Serbia blocks Kosovo's links to international organizations. If there's a knot, you work to untie it.

Ron

pre 13 godina

The five countries in the EU not recognising Kosovo will also block Kosovo from institutions.

And so will China and Russia (and maybe even India and Brazil) at the global level.

Kosovo is a province! Like it or not!

karlsdad

pre 13 godina

What I read here from this Eurocrats, there are so many of them I can't keep up, is, we were responsible for creating this mess in the Balkans, so please be agreeable Serbia, and now resolve it for us. Oh, and if you don't, we will make life tough for you, and assist is stirring more problems on other parts of your territory. We have many willing accomplices.

highduke

pre 13 godina

@ MARK - Muslim-dominated/majority OPEC keeps mid-range prices for the same reason EU diplomats strung along Albanians: the US, UK & half the EUrocrats are controled by S.Arabia/Dubai and Russia respectively via oil, with the EU as the latest battle ground. YOU are dreaming bc Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000, plus Muslim immigration to the EU makes it obvious. Not a theory. Fact.

dht

pre 13 godina

1.
"The European Commission will object to Serbia’s blocking Kosovo in economic organizations and its problems in Sandžak, says EP rapporteur Jelko Kacin."

2.
I think what Jelko Kacin really wants to say to us is:

- first recognize "Kosova" (and waive on all your rights)

- then give autonomy to Sandžak (as a first step towards the independent state "Sandžak")

-> and then the EU might - potentially - think about
accepting Serbia as a member state.

ida

pre 13 godina

Serbia should really forget about trying for the EU and to appease it - it will always come up with something new Serbia is doing wrong or has to do.

The same EU sends all sort of money on programs to groom Serbs (especially Serbian youth) to pine to get into the EU.

They know that if Serbs want to be in the EU, they hold power over Serbia and get it to jump through hoops on empty promises.

Serbs need to concentrate on helping their own country themselves and through deals with countries (such as Russia, China, India, Belarus, etc.) which don't require a 100 conditions for every little thing.

The EU doesn't today treat all of its members as equals, so even if Serbia was an EU member, it would be treated the most unfairly, I'd bet.

icj1

pre 13 godina

"I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?"
Of cource they knew this all along but then again, they where imposed upon us by the EU with fraud threats & lies.
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

You’re doing precisely the same error that the Serbia diplomacy did.; i.e. the thinking that EU and US were against Serbia. That’s dead wrong. For EU/US Serbia or Kosovo are probably the same (actually Serbia may be more important than Kosovo for obvious reasons).

But the EU/US were against solutions that were not feasible. Serbia suggested that 2 M Albanians, who for 10 years were in practice independent from Serbia, be now brought back under Serbia against their wishes, i.e. through the use of force. That clearly was not feasible (except in the minds of fanatics who are driven by fanatism rather than the reality on the ground).

So EU/US were open for any solution, even if proposed by Serbia, that had a chance of being feasible. Even thought Serbia did not cooperate, Antisaari acted like the Serbia’s advocate and did much more for the daily lives of Kosovo Serbs than the authorities in Belgrade who just used them in their diplomatic game without achieving anything at the end, for both Serbia and K. Serbs, actually making K. Serbs lives more difficult. Antisaari prevented Kosovo from joining Albania (which would have immediately solved the recognitions issue and the UN seat). He provided for the protection of the churches; the creation of Serb municipalities in Kosovo; an enhanced representation of Serbs in the Kosovo’s Assembly (with even certain veto powers). These and other things that Serbia could have suggested were the feasible stuff. But Serbia stubbornly insisted on unfeasible solutions, so sorry, but if you insist on reckless solutions, you can’t expect others to support you on that recklessness.


Question is how much evidence the serbian western infected youths, raised on aggressive propaganda from NED & Soros color revolution, radio free europe and fairy tale lies about a prospering future further west if they only obey to yet more and more demands, needs?
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

Ahmadinejad would be very proud of you… There’s an easy solution to your concerns; Ahmadinejad’s solutions. These western spies should be thrown in jails, tortured, raped and a few hanged, like they did in Iran last year, and it appears it worked perfectly.


They violated serbian constitution by threwing P.Milosevic to the NATO gargantua wolfes in Hauge which led to an never ending stream of demands & conditions from Brussels for absolutely nothing but yet more threats in return...
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

Just a correction; the Court in The Hague is there under a UNSC resolution. So it’s is Russia’s as much as it is the Nato’s court. More precisely that’s an international law’s Court. Serbia can’t pick and choose which resolutions to respect and which not; all of them are binding.

Aleks

pre 13 godina

Kacin does not speak for the EU. He is only a 'Special Rapporteur', that means too many people think he actually knows what he is talking about. His role is to gather information and give a synthesized version to the Commission. That is just about it. As of 2014, Enlargement it QMV.

The problem Kacin has is that he cannot keep is own personal opinions separate from his job. It is not for him to judge but others. He's effectively a nobody. Do I have to remind you all who the EP's Special Rapporteur for Bosnia is (for the EP that is)? Doris Pack, the uber serbophobic german MEP with a string of fake academic awards from croatian, albanian et al institutions proudly displayed on her cv:

Resume here: http://www.eaea.org/index.php?k=15088

- Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995).

- Order of the Republic of Albania (2002).

- Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).

From her webpage: http://www.dorispack.de/persoenliches.html

- 1997 Orden der Republik Kroatiens (HR)

- 2006 Kroatischer Kulturclub, Silberne Taube von Vucedol, Symbol für Frieden und Freiheit des kroatischen Volkes

- 2008 Toleranzpreis des Parlamentes der Vojvodina (Serbien) [WTH is this?]

- 2009 Preis der Stadt Pogradec (Albanien)


She has the influence of a tubercular badger. Kacin is the same. If you think 'Special Rapporteurs' have sway over the big boys when they do the deal behind closed doors, then you are in for a rude awakening.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"As for the energy dependency, if Russia plays the energy card too hard, it will backfire...

Have you ever asked youself why OPEC tries to keep the oil price not too low but ALSO NOT TO HIGH ?
(Mark, 19 September 2010 17:36) "

Exactly. Russia let its plans for using gas as an economic and political weapon be seen too soon, and the world reacted by increasing supplies from other sources. http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php?uniquenumber=67958 Enormous amounts of shale gas in the U.S. have helped lower the price of gas all over the world by shrinking the market for LNG, and Poland looks good to have even greater supplies. (Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria are also exploring.) China, too, has gigantic reserves and is starting to explore them. Add in Iraq and Iran (eventually) as new suppliers, and Russia's stranglehold on Europe begins to look a lot more feeble.

Mark

pre 13 godina

It seems the entire EU bureacracy is split between fading pro-London old guard vs. new rising pro-Moscow realists who recognize their energy dependence on RUS bc we keep getting contradictory messages from all levels. The recent stringing along of the temp. inst. in KiM by the EU shows at least that EU foreign diplomacy is dominated by the pro-Moscow realists
(highduke, 19 September 2010 13:12)

Yeah, keep dreaming about the pro-Moscow part (like EU is a Russia's satellite)...

As for the energy dependency, if Russia plays the energy card too hard, it will backfire...

Have you ever asked youself why OPEC tries to keep the oil price not too low but ALSO NOT TO HIGH ?

KU

pre 13 godina

"Serbs need to concentrate on helping their own country themselves and through deals with countries (such as Russia, China, India, Belarus, etc.) which don't require a 100 conditions for every little thing."

Here is how a recent deal with China went. Chinese businesses were let in Serbia to sell their cheap products, as a result textile factories in southern Serbia (Sandzak) went out of business, and Serbs working there went unemployed and are unhappy now. Unhappy people often breed trouble. If I remember correctly all Serbia got in return was the promise of a veto.

Joe

pre 13 godina

"Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000"
highduke

So what? Even if it would be 40 or 50% that wouldn't be a problem. If they buy factories they bing in money, if they run those factories they give jobs to the locals. It is a win-win. This is something that most Europeans could never understand because they hear those nationalistic slogans and their understanding of economic facts is subzero. I am amuzed sometime to read naive comments on Hungarian sites. They complain against the facts that their factories were sold out to Wewstern companies. Well if you can not run a factory profitably it is not worth too much. Also those foreign owned factories make up most of the Hungarian export and give a lot of jobs. Without them the unemployment rate would be twice as much.
Also when foreigners buy real estate here we welcome them. They can not take it out. Again Europeans in small countries just can't understand it.

Mark

pre 13 godina

@ MARK - Muslim-dominated/majority OPEC keeps mid-range prices for the same reason EU diplomats strung along Albanians:
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

Not sure what that means, but let me help you. If oil prices are too high, alternative energy sources become economically feasible for the private sector to develop, so OPEC could have very large profits in the short term, but would become irrelevant in the long term because nobody would need their oil.


the US, UK & half the EUrocrats are controled by S.Arabia/Dubai and Russia respectively via oil, with the EU as the latest battle ground.
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

What you call “control”, I call a seller-buyer relationship. US/UK/EU/China get the oil; the oil producers get the money. In other words the oil consumers depend on the oil producers (for the oil) the same way the oil producers depend on the oil consumers (for the money and the oil extraction infrastructure).


YOU are dreaming bc Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000, plus Muslim immigration to the EU makes it obvious. Not a theory. Fact.
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

Fact of what ? What is your point ? What do these facts show ? Come on man make an intelligent full argument. I.e. based on fact 1, 2, and 3 I think the conclusion is a, b or c. You just mention pieces of information (the oil, the Eurocrats, the Muslims, etc.) without saying what the conclusion is.

In addition, I don’t base analysis on films whose purpose is the profit not the analysis. It’s another thing if you base your analysis on documentaries made by well known entities not for profit, like Nova, Geographic Channel, History Channel, and the like.

kate

pre 13 godina

There lies the problem. On one hand, the EU is status neutral as agreed with the UN and claims that it is able to conduct balanced discussions; while on the other hand they make noises like this (when Serbia is completely within her rights and within the UN/ EU agreement to block Kosovo's entry into international bodies).

The other major problem is the disunity in the EU. Some countries are pushing ahead and acting like Kosovo is independent, while the EU as a body is status neutral. Plus as soon as one country says something it is shredded by another EU country working for their own national interests.

I can't see the EU involvement working at all, for these very reasons.

petar

pre 13 godina

Michael not all kacin says is bad. His support for the Anti-corruption Council and introducing the Rule of Law in Serbia is essential. If you do'nt want Europe, you cant become a Switzeland without therule of Law.

What price freedom?

pre 13 godina

Long live dEUmocracy!

You have the right to agree with the EU and the right to remain silent. All that you say that is contrary to the EU will be used as evidence against you. Don't even think about legitimately defending your territorial integrity for if the map has already been drawn in Brussels then you will only be seen as blocking the "European Perspective". If your people insist on a referendum on any EU issue then you have 2 options: (1) Don't listen to them or (2) Keep having them until you get to the "correct" conclusion.

This is not what we fought Nazism and Communism for...

highduke

pre 13 godina

It seems the entire EU bureacracy is split between fading pro-London old guard vs. new rising pro-Moscow realists who recognize their energy dependence on RUS bc we keep getting contradictory messages from all levels. The recent stringing along of the temp. inst. in KiM by the EU shows at least that EU foreign diplomacy is dominated by the pro-Moscow realists but internal affairs, courts & intelligence by pro-London old guard judging by these EC statements, Ganic & the Sandzak orchestrations

Joe

pre 13 godina

"Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000"
highduke

So what? Even if it would be 40 or 50% that wouldn't be a problem. If they buy factories they bing in money, if they run those factories they give jobs to the locals. It is a win-win. This is something that most Europeans could never understand because they hear those nationalistic slogans and their understanding of economic facts is subzero. I am amuzed sometime to read naive comments on Hungarian sites. They complain against the facts that their factories were sold out to Wewstern companies. Well if you can not run a factory profitably it is not worth too much. Also those foreign owned factories make up most of the Hungarian export and give a lot of jobs. Without them the unemployment rate would be twice as much.
Also when foreigners buy real estate here we welcome them. They can not take it out. Again Europeans in small countries just can't understand it.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Kacin should adress Zokurlic and his fanatical islam movement. That's the problem. However, Kacin seems to want leverage over Serbias objections to Kosovo independence by bringing up Sandzak as a Serbian problem. If you read between the lines, a future recognition of Sandzak by Slovenia will occure if Serbia does not give away more of its territory and inless it gives up on its people. I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?

Mark

pre 13 godina

It seems the entire EU bureacracy is split between fading pro-London old guard vs. new rising pro-Moscow realists who recognize their energy dependence on RUS bc we keep getting contradictory messages from all levels. The recent stringing along of the temp. inst. in KiM by the EU shows at least that EU foreign diplomacy is dominated by the pro-Moscow realists
(highduke, 19 September 2010 13:12)

Yeah, keep dreaming about the pro-Moscow part (like EU is a Russia's satellite)...

As for the energy dependency, if Russia plays the energy card too hard, it will backfire...

Have you ever asked youself why OPEC tries to keep the oil price not too low but ALSO NOT TO HIGH ?

icj1

pre 13 godina

"I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?"
Of cource they knew this all along but then again, they where imposed upon us by the EU with fraud threats & lies.
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

You’re doing precisely the same error that the Serbia diplomacy did.; i.e. the thinking that EU and US were against Serbia. That’s dead wrong. For EU/US Serbia or Kosovo are probably the same (actually Serbia may be more important than Kosovo for obvious reasons).

But the EU/US were against solutions that were not feasible. Serbia suggested that 2 M Albanians, who for 10 years were in practice independent from Serbia, be now brought back under Serbia against their wishes, i.e. through the use of force. That clearly was not feasible (except in the minds of fanatics who are driven by fanatism rather than the reality on the ground).

So EU/US were open for any solution, even if proposed by Serbia, that had a chance of being feasible. Even thought Serbia did not cooperate, Antisaari acted like the Serbia’s advocate and did much more for the daily lives of Kosovo Serbs than the authorities in Belgrade who just used them in their diplomatic game without achieving anything at the end, for both Serbia and K. Serbs, actually making K. Serbs lives more difficult. Antisaari prevented Kosovo from joining Albania (which would have immediately solved the recognitions issue and the UN seat). He provided for the protection of the churches; the creation of Serb municipalities in Kosovo; an enhanced representation of Serbs in the Kosovo’s Assembly (with even certain veto powers). These and other things that Serbia could have suggested were the feasible stuff. But Serbia stubbornly insisted on unfeasible solutions, so sorry, but if you insist on reckless solutions, you can’t expect others to support you on that recklessness.


Question is how much evidence the serbian western infected youths, raised on aggressive propaganda from NED & Soros color revolution, radio free europe and fairy tale lies about a prospering future further west if they only obey to yet more and more demands, needs?
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

Ahmadinejad would be very proud of you… There’s an easy solution to your concerns; Ahmadinejad’s solutions. These western spies should be thrown in jails, tortured, raped and a few hanged, like they did in Iran last year, and it appears it worked perfectly.


They violated serbian constitution by threwing P.Milosevic to the NATO gargantua wolfes in Hauge which led to an never ending stream of demands & conditions from Brussels for absolutely nothing but yet more threats in return...
(wtf, 19 September 2010 13:47)

Just a correction; the Court in The Hague is there under a UNSC resolution. So it’s is Russia’s as much as it is the Nato’s court. More precisely that’s an international law’s Court. Serbia can’t pick and choose which resolutions to respect and which not; all of them are binding.

highduke

pre 13 godina

@ MARK - Muslim-dominated/majority OPEC keeps mid-range prices for the same reason EU diplomats strung along Albanians: the US, UK & half the EUrocrats are controled by S.Arabia/Dubai and Russia respectively via oil, with the EU as the latest battle ground. YOU are dreaming bc Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000, plus Muslim immigration to the EU makes it obvious. Not a theory. Fact.

Mark

pre 13 godina

@ MARK - Muslim-dominated/majority OPEC keeps mid-range prices for the same reason EU diplomats strung along Albanians:
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

Not sure what that means, but let me help you. If oil prices are too high, alternative energy sources become economically feasible for the private sector to develop, so OPEC could have very large profits in the short term, but would become irrelevant in the long term because nobody would need their oil.


the US, UK & half the EUrocrats are controled by S.Arabia/Dubai and Russia respectively via oil, with the EU as the latest battle ground.
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

What you call “control”, I call a seller-buyer relationship. US/UK/EU/China get the oil; the oil producers get the money. In other words the oil consumers depend on the oil producers (for the oil) the same way the oil producers depend on the oil consumers (for the money and the oil extraction infrastructure).


YOU are dreaming bc Michael Moore showed in his 911 documentary that Saudis owned 7% of the US Economy in 2000, plus Muslim immigration to the EU makes it obvious. Not a theory. Fact.
(highduke, 19 September 2010 18:28)

Fact of what ? What is your point ? What do these facts show ? Come on man make an intelligent full argument. I.e. based on fact 1, 2, and 3 I think the conclusion is a, b or c. You just mention pieces of information (the oil, the Eurocrats, the Muslims, etc.) without saying what the conclusion is.

In addition, I don’t base analysis on films whose purpose is the profit not the analysis. It’s another thing if you base your analysis on documentaries made by well known entities not for profit, like Nova, Geographic Channel, History Channel, and the like.

Ron

pre 13 godina

The five countries in the EU not recognising Kosovo will also block Kosovo from institutions.

And so will China and Russia (and maybe even India and Brazil) at the global level.

Kosovo is a province! Like it or not!

karlsdad

pre 13 godina

What I read here from this Eurocrats, there are so many of them I can't keep up, is, we were responsible for creating this mess in the Balkans, so please be agreeable Serbia, and now resolve it for us. Oh, and if you don't, we will make life tough for you, and assist is stirring more problems on other parts of your territory. We have many willing accomplices.

Amer

pre 13 godina

"As for the energy dependency, if Russia plays the energy card too hard, it will backfire...

Have you ever asked youself why OPEC tries to keep the oil price not too low but ALSO NOT TO HIGH ?
(Mark, 19 September 2010 17:36) "

Exactly. Russia let its plans for using gas as an economic and political weapon be seen too soon, and the world reacted by increasing supplies from other sources. http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php?uniquenumber=67958 Enormous amounts of shale gas in the U.S. have helped lower the price of gas all over the world by shrinking the market for LNG, and Poland looks good to have even greater supplies. (Austria, Hungary, Bulgaria are also exploring.) China, too, has gigantic reserves and is starting to explore them. Add in Iraq and Iran (eventually) as new suppliers, and Russia's stranglehold on Europe begins to look a lot more feeble.

dht

pre 13 godina

1.
"The European Commission will object to Serbia’s blocking Kosovo in economic organizations and its problems in Sandžak, says EP rapporteur Jelko Kacin."

2.
I think what Jelko Kacin really wants to say to us is:

- first recognize "Kosova" (and waive on all your rights)

- then give autonomy to Sandžak (as a first step towards the independent state "Sandžak")

-> and then the EU might - potentially - think about
accepting Serbia as a member state.

ida

pre 13 godina

Serbia should really forget about trying for the EU and to appease it - it will always come up with something new Serbia is doing wrong or has to do.

The same EU sends all sort of money on programs to groom Serbs (especially Serbian youth) to pine to get into the EU.

They know that if Serbs want to be in the EU, they hold power over Serbia and get it to jump through hoops on empty promises.

Serbs need to concentrate on helping their own country themselves and through deals with countries (such as Russia, China, India, Belarus, etc.) which don't require a 100 conditions for every little thing.

The EU doesn't today treat all of its members as equals, so even if Serbia was an EU member, it would be treated the most unfairly, I'd bet.

wtf

pre 13 godina

"I just wonder how much proof Serbia and the Tadic government needs to realize that the EU is not for us?"

Of cource they knew this all along but then again, they where imposed upon us by the EU with fraud threats & lies.

Question is how much evidence the serbian western infected youths, raised on aggressive propaganda from NED & Soros color revolution, radio free europe and fairy tale lies about a prospering future further west if they only obey to yet more and more demands, needs?

They violated serbian constitution by threwing P.Milosevic to the NATO gargantua wolfes in Hauge which led to an never ending stream of demands & conditions from Brussels for absolutely nothing but yet more threats in return...
We need to abandon the sinking ship now before everything is beyond repair.

Mike

pre 13 godina

Statements in relation to combating corruption and improving judicial reform and press freedoms are certainly something to consider.

But when you "agree to disagree" over Kosovo, when you "don't expect" Serbia to recognize Kosovo, and when you can't find EU unity over Kosovo's status, don't get upset when Serbia blocks Kosovo's links to international organizations. If there's a knot, you work to untie it.

Aleks

pre 13 godina

Kacin does not speak for the EU. He is only a 'Special Rapporteur', that means too many people think he actually knows what he is talking about. His role is to gather information and give a synthesized version to the Commission. That is just about it. As of 2014, Enlargement it QMV.

The problem Kacin has is that he cannot keep is own personal opinions separate from his job. It is not for him to judge but others. He's effectively a nobody. Do I have to remind you all who the EP's Special Rapporteur for Bosnia is (for the EP that is)? Doris Pack, the uber serbophobic german MEP with a string of fake academic awards from croatian, albanian et al institutions proudly displayed on her cv:

Resume here: http://www.eaea.org/index.php?k=15088

- Order of Zvonimir (Croatia) (1995).

- Order of the Republic of Albania (2002).

- Honorary doctorate from the University of Zadar, Croatia (2007).

From her webpage: http://www.dorispack.de/persoenliches.html

- 1997 Orden der Republik Kroatiens (HR)

- 2006 Kroatischer Kulturclub, Silberne Taube von Vucedol, Symbol für Frieden und Freiheit des kroatischen Volkes

- 2008 Toleranzpreis des Parlamentes der Vojvodina (Serbien) [WTH is this?]

- 2009 Preis der Stadt Pogradec (Albanien)


She has the influence of a tubercular badger. Kacin is the same. If you think 'Special Rapporteurs' have sway over the big boys when they do the deal behind closed doors, then you are in for a rude awakening.

KU

pre 13 godina

"Serbs need to concentrate on helping their own country themselves and through deals with countries (such as Russia, China, India, Belarus, etc.) which don't require a 100 conditions for every little thing."

Here is how a recent deal with China went. Chinese businesses were let in Serbia to sell their cheap products, as a result textile factories in southern Serbia (Sandzak) went out of business, and Serbs working there went unemployed and are unhappy now. Unhappy people often breed trouble. If I remember correctly all Serbia got in return was the promise of a veto.