K. Albanian bid for memberships

(Zoran, 17 September 2010 12:22)
Zoran,
I can guaranty you now (on behalf of every Albanian in Kosovo) that your “more than autonomy, less than independence” will never happen.
Not today, not tomorrow … never.
So save yourself some energy and don’t waste time offering it to us.
Now, are we trying to become members of different international organisations: Of course we are.
Have wee been successful so far: Yes and NO.
Will we stop: No … why stop?
Will we cry about it (if we fail the first time): NO,… if we did that we would not have our country today.
Will we sell our soul for “Carrots”: No, never.

And Zoran, we are happy, it is a feeling that only a free man can experience.
Will we make sure that our children live free: Yes.

It is funny though how easy people read into the news without any analysis of the source.
Just to counteract your source Zoran:
Yesterday Behxhet Pacolli (leader of a political part in Kosovo) sated that Kosovo will be a fully flagged UN member by September 2011.
Now, looking at the facts and looking at the source I did not fall for that propaganda, whereas you do fall for them.
Anyway Zoran, well keep trying becoming members and you try stopping us.
In the end we’ll see who has more success.
One more thing Zoran.
Who do you think that Serbia is hurting most with the hostility that it is showing towards Kosovo?
Albanians???…….NO.

"Article 4 of the UN Charter says that any peace-loving state can become a member, but exclusively on a unanimous recommendation of the UN Security Council," explained Tanja Miščević of the government's Council for EU Integration.
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Isn't it clear? These people who talk about another 47 or 55 or however many recognitions "Kosova" needs obviously do not understand that the Security Council makes the final decision, regardless of whether the general assembly makes a recommendation. Russia and China will veto any recommendation pointing to independence, that much is clear.

"Kosova" is not fully independent and never will be. "Kosova" will not return as an autonomous province under complete Belgrade control either. Lets face reality my friends, more than autonomy, less than independence. Does everyone understand, it is self-fulfilling?

Now lets negotiate based on that reality. Lets work towards a bright future and block out those living in an angry past. Those with selective memories are part of the problem, not the solution. It's time to negotiate my friends.

No one, and I repeat no one, today believe that Kosovo will ever be a reeal country. As long as Serbia dont recognize Kosovo, there wont be anything changed. Now its time for negotiations again, like Serbia wanted all the way. Well played ! PS. Dont give me that old saying that we dont want this and that. You will have to do as the EU and UN (1244) says. You are in no way dictating the rules. Period.

Some organistaions are only open for STATES. And Kosovo is, as we all know, a province!

Fishta, Albanians have sold their souls for carrots throughout your history. Remember how most of you became Muslims during Ottoman rule? Maybe your grand daddies just rented their souls to the Turks, in exchange for favors. And maybe the money Pristina is getting from the Saudis today, is not considered a carrot. What do you think?

This article summarizes all and reflects the result when everything is done with armtwisting and pressure on weaker one!
The boomerang is around the corner!

And Serbs will also never forget the actions of the Albanians in KiM over centuries, not just the 90's which Albanians love to concentrate on. Albanians have been ethnically-cleansing, and killing, Serbs in KiM for as long as they had the power to do so. Read about how Albanians behaved when they had special privelages during the Ottoman rule, because they were turn-coats, and some of the clubs your grand daddies belonged to during WWII. So Serbs may also forgive one day, but will also never forget. Who will have the longer memory?

You should deal with your own problems instead of spreading rumors for Kosova. At last, you can not use Kosova as opium for your citizens any longer and you can not full them by distracting their focus on domestic economic and social problems that they face day to day in Serbia.

Switzerland had joined the Un only in 2004, Germany in 1974 etc.
(predictor, 17 September 2010 12:57)
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Neither of those countries statehood was ever in dispute. "Kosova" is disputed by some very powerful nations and the overwhelming majority of the world.

It is your leaders who focus on pointless and useless recognitions instead of the well-being of your people.

Negotiations are the only way. Recognitions are pointless as you will not get the ones you really need.

I have to agree with what predictor said on the previous post, but I would also like to add something with regard to zoran's post. We are your neighbours zoran, on the next door country, we are not your friends. We also may forgive but we will never forget. So I think you need a reality check when you talk about autonomy; next time you come to visit kosova make sure you bring your passport with you.

What do you think?
(winston, 17 September 2010 16:27)

Winston, I think you should Google “Gjergj Fishta”!
B.T.W. I believe you understand the saying “The enemy of my Enemy is my friend”.
This makes nations having some weird friends doesn’t it Winston.
Explain to me Winston, how and when did Brasil and South Africa became Serbia’s “friends”.
And as far as soul selling is considered, I don’t believe that you have the necessary knowledge of the Albanian history (or you have been reading to much of the Serbian history books) to make such statements.
You see Winston, if you have read unbiased history docs (and I am not saying Albanian history books here) you would not put forward the comments you do.

DENIED! What happened to the flood of recognitions? Thirty of them after summer vacations are over? How many did you get? A big whopping number of.... 2?

Gjergj Fishta,

I'm glad you feel free, but many Serbs view your take-over of Kosovo as a slow and deliberate so you can have a mono-ethnic state. Good for you..(spare me about wanting to be a multi-ethnic state).

Unfortunately for you and your ilk, your are now starting to see that becoming a country is harder than it looks. I hope you enjoy your continued stint into poverty because eventually the E.U. and US handouts will end and black market economics can only do so much. Please tell me who in their right mind would want to invest in Kosovo that isn't getting a sweet-heart deal from the masterminds of making you an independent state? Even the American legislatures that support you are now getting ignored about requests to send more tax payer dollars to fund your criminal state. Believe me, Diaspora money can only go so far too…

Besides, what seems to be escaping most of you Albanians is that Europeans wanted to create to Kosovo so they can export your criminal gangs back home and restrict your visas (see France and Romas). But what do people like me who worked at the International level and in the region know compared to you and your global "expertise." But you are entitled to think otherwise...

So enjoy your new-found freedom. Unfortunately, a VERY ROUGH road lies ahead for you and many of your fellow Albanians haven't thought that through. AHH, but being independent with no future feels so good doesn't it???

Zoran, you say:
"These people who talk about another 47 or 55 or however many recognitions "Kosova" needs obviously do not understand that the Security Council makes the final decision, regardless of whether the general assembly makes a recommendation".

Just to clarify one think: It is the other way around - the SC does a recommendation while the GA makes a decision. However that does not change much, as we are not expecting to be recommended by SC because of Russia, and, maybe China as well in a near future.
Additionally, it is not of crucial importance for Kosova to join the UN. It is of crucial interest to be recognized by as much countries as possible. UN is important organization but not necessary to join. I must repeat myself, that for example, Switzerland had joined the Un only in 2004, Germany in 1974 etc.

Staff you mean Serbia will do whatever EU says=) like Tadic sold Kosovo to EU for membership, lol

Who will have the longer memory?
my dear,you serbs,tried during centuries to destroy albanians,to destroy albanian memory creating even a muslim nation in yugo,in order to make us forget that we are albanians!And all your intellectuals,your academicians,your politicians spend time and money to convince the world that we do not exist !And our non existing nation did survive despite turkish oppression,despite serbian oppression,despite greek oppression all these centuries!
So ,if you think that now,you are or will be able to eradicate our memory,then i must admit that you will never learn anything from history!Be sure that albanianswill have the longer memory,and you do know why!

"No one, and I repeat no one, today believe that Kosovo will ever be a reeal country.

(Staff, 17 September 2010 14:06) "

I do.

A simple message I want to convey to Kosovar-Albanians who are bidding for memberships of certain or various organizations is to persevere and for that matter not give up in what you're striving for. Good luck.

"I hope you enjoy your continued stint into poverty because"..
tommy usa,Indeed we do,because the poverty we now have has nothing to do with the powerty we had,and we would have if we were still under serbian rules!kosovo has never been as good as it is now,and believe me every day is better than the day before!Indeed we are still at the phase "we built our houses and gardens"because we have so much suffered seing our houses and gardens destroyed that it is our immediate response to our killers.
But this phase is ending ,and with a pretty good result,and now we are going in phase 2..
Despite you being at an international level,you can not even imagine how ressourcefull we are and how we can manage well in harsh environment!I just want to remember you that during the milosheviq period,we did manage a paralele system without your help during 10 years,so we wll able accomplish phase 2 as well as phase 1,
don't worry for us,hardest time are behind us!

Nobody believed 5 years ago that Kosovo would have proclaim its independence or that one day it would join IMF and WB.

I think it's naive to say "never"...you just never know. Don't count on Russian support forever, they like Serbs but they like their own interests first.

Some organistaions are only open for STATES. And Kosovo is, as we all know, a province!
(Ron, 17 September 2010 14:37)

No, the majority does not know that. So you need to specify what you mean by "all". If "all" = minority, than you are correct.

The majority of the world does not agree with you. More precisely, 109 countries did not think that Kosovo was a province, when they voted for Kosovo to be admitted to the WB and IMF.

AHH, but being independent with no future feels so good doesn't it???
(Tommy USA, 17 September 2010 20:04)

Assuming the above is correct, it is still less worse than being under Serbia and with no future, and in any case it is for the Albanians to say.

There are several posts around trying to tell Albanians how they should feel. This is so ridiculous; if this were translated into a dialog between a Serb and an Albanian it would go something like this:

S: You are is a so bad shape

A: No, I feel much better than before

S: No, listen to me, I know it better than you how you feel; you feel bad

A: But, no, I really feel good

S: No, you don’t feel good. You should feel what I tell you to.

" I hope you enjoy your constant stint into poverty..."

That was a hateful thing you said Tommy USA.

How Albanians became Muslims? A)With will, B)with force, C)with economic pressure?

aNSWER: A B C all

Why only Albanians and not Serbs or Greeks?

We know Albanians were Catholic Christians. Serbs and Greeks were Orthodox Christins. Turks wanted to invate ROMA, VENEDIC Europe and destroy Catholic.

Albanians and SKENDERBEG had support from VENEDIC and TURKS did not like that. Main ennemy of Turks were Catholic Albanians. Serbs and Greeks worked together with Turks thats why they were not forced to change relegion.

Serbs and Greeks did not cost any trouble to Turks.

Orthodox and Muslims did not had to pay Tax. Orthodox and Muslims were free. Catholics who fight were forced to change relegion, pay taxes etc.

Albanians did not have more power and they give up, and took the Muslim relegion in order to not be descriminated.

Today we can see that Islam relegion it is not so strong faith inside Albanians as for other Islam countries.

Mark 'I thought I felt great, then I realised nothing had changed'

Discuss.

If it is possible stop trying to look at everything from the Serbian point of view.

You should deal with your own problems instead of spreading rumors for Kosova. At last, you can not use Kosova as opium for your citizens any longer and you can not full them by distracting their focus on domestic economic and social problems that they face day to day in Serbia.

Zoran, you say:
"These people who talk about another 47 or 55 or however many recognitions "Kosova" needs obviously do not understand that the Security Council makes the final decision, regardless of whether the general assembly makes a recommendation".

Just to clarify one think: It is the other way around - the SC does a recommendation while the GA makes a decision. However that does not change much, as we are not expecting to be recommended by SC because of Russia, and, maybe China as well in a near future.
Additionally, it is not of crucial importance for Kosova to join the UN. It is of crucial interest to be recognized by as much countries as possible. UN is important organization but not necessary to join. I must repeat myself, that for example, Switzerland had joined the Un only in 2004, Germany in 1974 etc.

Some organistaions are only open for STATES. And Kosovo is, as we all know, a province!

I have to agree with what predictor said on the previous post, but I would also like to add something with regard to zoran's post. We are your neighbours zoran, on the next door country, we are not your friends. We also may forgive but we will never forget. So I think you need a reality check when you talk about autonomy; next time you come to visit kosova make sure you bring your passport with you.

No one, and I repeat no one, today believe that Kosovo will ever be a reeal country. As long as Serbia dont recognize Kosovo, there wont be anything changed. Now its time for negotiations again, like Serbia wanted all the way. Well played ! PS. Dont give me that old saying that we dont want this and that. You will have to do as the EU and UN (1244) says. You are in no way dictating the rules. Period.

Fishta, Albanians have sold their souls for carrots throughout your history. Remember how most of you became Muslims during Ottoman rule? Maybe your grand daddies just rented their souls to the Turks, in exchange for favors. And maybe the money Pristina is getting from the Saudis today, is not considered a carrot. What do you think?

And Serbs will also never forget the actions of the Albanians in KiM over centuries, not just the 90's which Albanians love to concentrate on. Albanians have been ethnically-cleansing, and killing, Serbs in KiM for as long as they had the power to do so. Read about how Albanians behaved when they had special privelages during the Ottoman rule, because they were turn-coats, and some of the clubs your grand daddies belonged to during WWII. So Serbs may also forgive one day, but will also never forget. Who will have the longer memory?

Switzerland had joined the Un only in 2004, Germany in 1974 etc.
(predictor, 17 September 2010 12:57)
--
Neither of those countries statehood was ever in dispute. "Kosova" is disputed by some very powerful nations and the overwhelming majority of the world.

It is your leaders who focus on pointless and useless recognitions instead of the well-being of your people.

Negotiations are the only way. Recognitions are pointless as you will not get the ones you really need.

DENIED! What happened to the flood of recognitions? Thirty of them after summer vacations are over? How many did you get? A big whopping number of.... 2?

Staff you mean Serbia will do whatever EU says=) like Tadic sold Kosovo to EU for membership, lol

(Zoran, 17 September 2010 12:22)
Zoran,
I can guaranty you now (on behalf of every Albanian in Kosovo) that your “more than autonomy, less than independence” will never happen.
Not today, not tomorrow … never.
So save yourself some energy and don’t waste time offering it to us.
Now, are we trying to become members of different international organisations: Of course we are.
Have wee been successful so far: Yes and NO.
Will we stop: No … why stop?
Will we cry about it (if we fail the first time): NO,… if we did that we would not have our country today.
Will we sell our soul for “Carrots”: No, never.

And Zoran, we are happy, it is a feeling that only a free man can experience.
Will we make sure that our children live free: Yes.

It is funny though how easy people read into the news without any analysis of the source.
Just to counteract your source Zoran:
Yesterday Behxhet Pacolli (leader of a political part in Kosovo) sated that Kosovo will be a fully flagged UN member by September 2011.
Now, looking at the facts and looking at the source I did not fall for that propaganda, whereas you do fall for them.
Anyway Zoran, well keep trying becoming members and you try stopping us.
In the end we’ll see who has more success.
One more thing Zoran.
Who do you think that Serbia is hurting most with the hostility that it is showing towards Kosovo?
Albanians???…….NO.

"Article 4 of the UN Charter says that any peace-loving state can become a member, but exclusively on a unanimous recommendation of the UN Security Council," explained Tanja Miščević of the government's Council for EU Integration.
--
Isn't it clear? These people who talk about another 47 or 55 or however many recognitions "Kosova" needs obviously do not understand that the Security Council makes the final decision, regardless of whether the general assembly makes a recommendation. Russia and China will veto any recommendation pointing to independence, that much is clear.

"Kosova" is not fully independent and never will be. "Kosova" will not return as an autonomous province under complete Belgrade control either. Lets face reality my friends, more than autonomy, less than independence. Does everyone understand, it is self-fulfilling?

Now lets negotiate based on that reality. Lets work towards a bright future and block out those living in an angry past. Those with selective memories are part of the problem, not the solution. It's time to negotiate my friends.

Gjergj Fishta,

I'm glad you feel free, but many Serbs view your take-over of Kosovo as a slow and deliberate so you can have a mono-ethnic state. Good for you..(spare me about wanting to be a multi-ethnic state).

Unfortunately for you and your ilk, your are now starting to see that becoming a country is harder than it looks. I hope you enjoy your continued stint into poverty because eventually the E.U. and US handouts will end and black market economics can only do so much. Please tell me who in their right mind would want to invest in Kosovo that isn't getting a sweet-heart deal from the masterminds of making you an independent state? Even the American legislatures that support you are now getting ignored about requests to send more tax payer dollars to fund your criminal state. Believe me, Diaspora money can only go so far too…

Besides, what seems to be escaping most of you Albanians is that Europeans wanted to create to Kosovo so they can export your criminal gangs back home and restrict your visas (see France and Romas). But what do people like me who worked at the International level and in the region know compared to you and your global "expertise." But you are entitled to think otherwise...

So enjoy your new-found freedom. Unfortunately, a VERY ROUGH road lies ahead for you and many of your fellow Albanians haven't thought that through. AHH, but being independent with no future feels so good doesn't it???

A simple message I want to convey to Kosovar-Albanians who are bidding for memberships of certain or various organizations is to persevere and for that matter not give up in what you're striving for. Good luck.

What do you think?
(winston, 17 September 2010 16:27)

Winston, I think you should Google “Gjergj Fishta”!
B.T.W. I believe you understand the saying “The enemy of my Enemy is my friend”.
This makes nations having some weird friends doesn’t it Winston.
Explain to me Winston, how and when did Brasil and South Africa became Serbia’s “friends”.
And as far as soul selling is considered, I don’t believe that you have the necessary knowledge of the Albanian history (or you have been reading to much of the Serbian history books) to make such statements.
You see Winston, if you have read unbiased history docs (and I am not saying Albanian history books here) you would not put forward the comments you do.

This article summarizes all and reflects the result when everything is done with armtwisting and pressure on weaker one!
The boomerang is around the corner!

"No one, and I repeat no one, today believe that Kosovo will ever be a reeal country.

(Staff, 17 September 2010 14:06) "

I do.

Who will have the longer memory?
my dear,you serbs,tried during centuries to destroy albanians,to destroy albanian memory creating even a muslim nation in yugo,in order to make us forget that we are albanians!And all your intellectuals,your academicians,your politicians spend time and money to convince the world that we do not exist !And our non existing nation did survive despite turkish oppression,despite serbian oppression,despite greek oppression all these centuries!
So ,if you think that now,you are or will be able to eradicate our memory,then i must admit that you will never learn anything from history!Be sure that albanianswill have the longer memory,and you do know why!

Nobody believed 5 years ago that Kosovo would have proclaim its independence or that one day it would join IMF and WB.

I think it's naive to say "never"...you just never know. Don't count on Russian support forever, they like Serbs but they like their own interests first.

"I hope you enjoy your continued stint into poverty because"..
tommy usa,Indeed we do,because the poverty we now have has nothing to do with the powerty we had,and we would have if we were still under serbian rules!kosovo has never been as good as it is now,and believe me every day is better than the day before!Indeed we are still at the phase "we built our houses and gardens"because we have so much suffered seing our houses and gardens destroyed that it is our immediate response to our killers.
But this phase is ending ,and with a pretty good result,and now we are going in phase 2..
Despite you being at an international level,you can not even imagine how ressourcefull we are and how we can manage well in harsh environment!I just want to remember you that during the milosheviq period,we did manage a paralele system without your help during 10 years,so we wll able accomplish phase 2 as well as phase 1,
don't worry for us,hardest time are behind us!

Some organistaions are only open for STATES. And Kosovo is, as we all know, a province!
(Ron, 17 September 2010 14:37)

No, the majority does not know that. So you need to specify what you mean by "all". If "all" = minority, than you are correct.

The majority of the world does not agree with you. More precisely, 109 countries did not think that Kosovo was a province, when they voted for Kosovo to be admitted to the WB and IMF.

How Albanians became Muslims? A)With will, B)with force, C)with economic pressure?

aNSWER: A B C all

Why only Albanians and not Serbs or Greeks?

We know Albanians were Catholic Christians. Serbs and Greeks were Orthodox Christins. Turks wanted to invate ROMA, VENEDIC Europe and destroy Catholic.

Albanians and SKENDERBEG had support from VENEDIC and TURKS did not like that. Main ennemy of Turks were Catholic Albanians. Serbs and Greeks worked together with Turks thats why they were not forced to change relegion.

Serbs and Greeks did not cost any trouble to Turks.

Orthodox and Muslims did not had to pay Tax. Orthodox and Muslims were free. Catholics who fight were forced to change relegion, pay taxes etc.

Albanians did not have more power and they give up, and took the Muslim relegion in order to not be descriminated.

Today we can see that Islam relegion it is not so strong faith inside Albanians as for other Islam countries.

" I hope you enjoy your constant stint into poverty..."

That was a hateful thing you said Tommy USA.

AHH, but being independent with no future feels so good doesn't it???
(Tommy USA, 17 September 2010 20:04)

Assuming the above is correct, it is still less worse than being under Serbia and with no future, and in any case it is for the Albanians to say.

There are several posts around trying to tell Albanians how they should feel. This is so ridiculous; if this were translated into a dialog between a Serb and an Albanian it would go something like this:

S: You are is a so bad shape

A: No, I feel much better than before

S: No, listen to me, I know it better than you how you feel; you feel bad

A: But, no, I really feel good

S: No, you don’t feel good. You should feel what I tell you to.

Mark 'I thought I felt great, then I realised nothing had changed'

Discuss.

If it is possible stop trying to look at everything from the Serbian point of view.