"Status should also be discussed"

to FM Mikulas Dzurinda. you are joeking right? why did you vote on thet part of resolution when there is no single word about status?

After the:

1. crystal clear rule of ICJ

2. crystal clear UN GA resolution

it is very natural to say to the Slovakian FM: who in the world cares what you think?

Why some people miss golden chances to shut their mouth?

Regardless how insignificant UN resolutions have become nowdays we have to stick to the latest one. We know that September 2010 resolution successfully replaced the defunct 1244. So as from September 9,2010 Kosovo status discusions will NEVER be on the agenda on Albanians-Serbian meetings unless a new resolution get adopted...chances of which are 0.0000000001%.

So please calm down play wise cards.
Cheer up guys

"Kosovo and Serbia will have dialoug as equal or no way else.
Demi

Demi you are right. As eguals or no discussion. The Serbs are however not yet ready mentaly for this "egals" condition. As a result there will not be any dialogue for maybe one more year. After that the EU will push Serbia again just like on September 8 with the resolution.

Negotiations will occur and status will be discussed, mark my words. UN resolutions are pretty worthless these days.
(Zoran, 16 September 2010 13:09)

The independence of Kosovo cannot change because the people of Kosovo, US, UK,France and Germany cannot accept that. Maybee the status can be disscused on the best way for Serbia to accept the new reality without provoking the serbian people. Kosovo cannot and will not re-unite with Albania or Serbia but will stay independent because this has brought stability to the region and helped the serbian-albanian conflict.

Albanians will never ever accept serbian sovregnity or serbian rule over Kosovo. Realise that if you want an lasting solution based on peace between the two people.


Serbia on the other hand can accept an multi-ethnic independent Kosovo because Kosovo is the place for it's citizens Kosovo is historical albanian land because albanians have lived there for hundred of years and never left it like serbs have done. Building some churches on a territory dosen't make that territory yours. There are greek ortodox churches in Turkey but that dosen't make Turkey greek and othervise.


Maybee you are right that the status of Kosovo will in some way come to the table but nothing will change. Kosovo and Serbia will have dialoug as equal or no way else.

Kosovo status discusions will NEVER be on the agenda...
(PRN, 16 September 2010 16:38)
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Phew, now I know it will definitely be on the agenda as this comes from the very person who is consistently wrong.

You were the one who "predicted" mass recognitions after the ICJ and the North being under Pristina's control by September.

Are there any more Yankees out there still deluding themselves about how much the Afghan people love them?
(lowe, 16 September 2010, 11:05)

No, and most of us simply don't care.

Negotiations will occur and status will be discussed, mark my words. UN resolutions are pretty worthless these days.
(Zoran, 16 September 2010 13:09)


I am glad you notice that 1244R is worthless.

Negotiations will occur and status will be discussed, mark my words. UN resolutions are pretty worthless these days.

Are there any more Yankees out there still deluding themselves about how much the Afghan people love them?
(lowe, 16 September 2010, 11:05)

No, and most of us simply don't care.
(JohnnyC

Jonny you are absolutely right. Most of us couldn't care less. Apparently some people outside the US are obsessed by Afghanistan and can't grasp that our thoughts in the morning do not start with Afghanistan and do not finish with it in the evening. We read casually about it in the papers but it stops there.

Whatever gets them talking again, I dont care. After all these ICJ & UN diplomatic smokescreens to get them to the table, the point being to start & end talks unrecognized & unrecognizable.

Face it, the eu would never allow Kim to join the eu if 5 of its members refuse to recognize it and by the time "Kosovo" is ready to get candidate status Serbia and Bosnia will have already joined the eu making 7 countries opposed to Kosovo joining.
(Anonymous, 16 September 2010 22:21)

You are funny Anonymous,
Let us look at your “statement” closer.
You are saying that Kosova (commonly I use the term “Kosovo” however since you use Kim I though to spice it u a bit) cannot join EU because 5 EU members (increasing to 7 when Serbia and Bosnia “join”) do not recognise Kosova.
If that is true, explain me how can Serbia join if 22 EU states do not recognise it with the borders that Serbia preaches?
The way things look Anonymous, Macedonia, Montenegro and Albania might join before Serbia does.
If that happens (and it most likely will) it will make 25 EU states that have recognised us.
It is annoying when numbers don’t add up, isn’t it Anonymous.

To make some doubts totally crystal clear: Kosovos status will very much be one of the topics at the coming negotiations. No one else than the Albanians think something else. 1. For 122 countries in the UN, Kosovo is a Serbian province and nothing else. 2. Five countries in the EU have no plans whatsoever to recognize Kosovo. 3. BiH will never be able to recognize. I dont think it will need further expaination why. 4. To the Serbs I will make something very very clear. I have worked with 100s of american soldiers, police officers, diplomats, contractors etc. I have NEVER heard ANYONE take the side of the K Albanians against Serbia. Never. The "normal" american in America don not know what Kosovo is, where it is located etc.

Demi, 16 September 2010 16:08)


The Albanians will at the first opportunity be sold down the drain by the freedom loving peoples of US, UK, France and Germany. These countries do not have friends but interests and as the west is declining with particular reference to the US losing the war in Iraq and NATO being stopped in its tracks in Afghanistan, that is exactly the reason for talks and status will be discussed and not to “tell Serbia to accept this so called independence” either.

Kosovo is an unsustainable region on its own – it has nothing to make it as viable country, no resources and its arable lands are very limited so without EU or US financial support it’s finished. The EU will NEVER allow Kosovo to join with Albania.

Get real what are the Albanians going to do if the powers wash their hands of Kosovo?

Now here is a claim I find to understand – we were in Kosovo for hundreds of years” and a few churches do not make it Serb territory. I’ll accept that statement if you can show me what have the ancient Illyrians have built over the hundreds of years in Kosovo. There are structures built by the Otomans and there are structures built by the Serbs but nowhere do I see Albanian ruins.

Turkey is not a good example to use because all the ancient ruins are actually Greek or Roman so there is very little Turkish architecture around – look at the Mosques they are all of Byzantine design.


(PRN, 16 September 2010 16:38)

Sad but true status is on the table, but they tell you guys NEVER. What are they going to talk about? How Albanians can look for work in Serbia? Everything is on the table.

(Joe, 16 September 2010 17:46)

The EU wanted the Resolution to be abandoned – read up on it. The EU and US never wanted any negotiations at all on any issue because for them it was all finished and Serbia had to accept the reality, but look at what’s on the table now – negotiations on the status.

"The "normal" american in America don not know what Kosovo is, where it is located etc."
Staff

Maybe under "normal" you mean "blue collar" workers without higher education not reading the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, etc. They hardly know about Serbia either. Maybe some of them with better memory remember Serbia because of Milosevic and the terrible pictures of burning houses in Kosovo in association with him seen in evening papers. And since your "normal" Americans delegate their powers to their elected delegates, who act for them, it does not matter how little they now about that corner of the world called the Balkans.

I know nothing will change Demi, I have been saying that for a very long time. More than autonomy, less than independence. That is the reality.
(Zoran, 16 September 2010 20:35)


Yes maybee your reality. But in the reality of 22 EU member states, US Japan,Canada, Colombia and Saudia Arabia Kosovo is an independent state. Let's see how far Serbia can push it againt these countrys wich are the most powerful in the world. When time comes to take the step into EU we will see how Tadic and co will recognize Kosovo letting the serbian citizens to know that the battle for Kosovo was lost long time ago. No EU without recognizing Kosovo that will be a ultimatium mark my words.

Slovakia and its FM is the biggest joke that I ever seen.
Even serbs don't talk about Kosovo as much as this moron.I think he just want to be in the media and doesn't miss a chanse to talk.
Last week he approved a resolution where the status issue was omited and now he is spinning around.
I am curious to see what he is going to say when EU will order Slovakia to recognise Kosovo and Slovakia will say YES.Slovakia unlike Spain and Cypro have recognised Kosovo's passaports,yet Spain and Cypro don't talk every minute about Kosovo.Recognising passaports is informal recognision isn't it?Greece,Romania and Slovakia have done this.Greece even has a embassy in Prishtina.Last week I have called Slovakia,Greece and Romania as scum countries.I think they are the spin countries.
Frankly I have more respect for Serbia and Spain, even though they have done more against Kosovo, than for FM of Slovakia,Romania or Greece.

Just want all the Albanians on here that keep saying the new resolution says nothing anywhere about "status" it also says nothing about technical talks and does not specify what the "talks" will be on. All the resolution says is that there should be "dialogue". Status will be discussed no matter what. How does "kosova" expect to join the eu with over 350km (50%) of its border in dispute with over 60% of the world? Serbia also will have to solve it's issue in Kosovo but that is exactly what serbia wants! Negotiations on status! They are inevitable! Face it, the eu would never allow Kim to join the eu if 5 of its members refuse to recognize it and by the time "Kosovo" is ready to get candidate status Serbia and Bosnia will have already joined the eu making 7 countries opposed to Kosovo joining. Albanians need to get it through their heads that as long as Serbia,Russia,china, and the 5 eu states don't recognize the UDI Kosovo can never become a legitimate country and will always remain A Serbian province under UN protection.

man, serb apologists are really something special.

No status talks. end of story. your govt. already caved in on the point to the EU.

serbs will bring it up, kosovo will scoff, serbs will complain, the eu will remind serbia of its own resolution. And serbia can either get on with relevant issues or renege on the very same resolution everyone is crystal clear on...

@staff
oh please

@Anonymous
you fail to grasp the fact that up until now there has been no official talks between the govt. of kosovo and serbia EVER. This 'dialogue' you are trying to downplay is an enormous reversal of everything serbia has been doing these past few decades. and a devastating political smack in the face to everything its tried to scheme so far.

No big deal right?

no escape from reality.

We know that September 2010 resolution successfully replaced the defunct 1244.
(PRN, 16 September 2010 16:38)

Some people seem either to know more than others, or they live in a fantasy world with some bizarre interpretations of the things that happened recently. Strange.

Negotiations will occur and status will be discussed, mark my words. UN resolutions are pretty worthless these days.
(Zoran, 16 September 2010 13:09)

All of sudden UN resolutions are worthless. In mean time when Kosovo does join the UN I assume you will telling us that UN membership is also worthless?

Demi you are right. As eguals or no discussion.
(Joe, 16 September 2010 17:46)
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You guys set the bar too high. Now who do we have to match Thaci? I'd offer Miladin Kovačević (the guy who beat up that person in the US) but he's going to be locked away for a couple of years and he doesn't even come close to your clan. I mean who else? We don't have terrorists on our side so we can't negotiate as equals. Sorry to disappoint.

Maybee you are right that the status of Kosovo will in some way come to the table but nothing will change.
(Demi, 16 September 2010 16:08)
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I know nothing will change Demi, I have been saying that for a very long time. More than autonomy, less than independence. That is the reality.

And this is why nobody takes the EU seriously - weeks of careful diplomatic work to ensure that the resolution specifically does NOT call for discussion of all issues (meaning status) ... and along comes Slovakia, with less than 1% of the population of the EU, and calls for exactly the opposite.

Giving everybody a veto made sense when there were only 7 members, but now there are 27, it means continuing weakness and irrelevance.

The U.S. works (note - in English that's a singular noun) because all 50 states share the same language and culture and have agreed to rules that allow taking majority decisions. The Soviet Union worked because Russia was so much stronger than everyone else it could compel agreement. The EU - well, at least it's prevented fighting since the end of WWII. Among its own members. Which, considering European history, is not a small thing. But as long as Slovakia, or Cyprus, can hold up or override what should be a union-level decision for its own nationalistic purposes, you can forget the EU becoming a serious international player. Who can trust them on any decision they agree to?

@Gjergj Fishta - yes Serbia will not be able to join the eu until it solves the Kosovo issue I already stated that in my last comment that you criticized. But not being able for Serbia or "Kosovo" to join the Eu is exactly what Serbia wants because it will force "Kosovo" to discuss the status of it with Serbia or neither can join. The resolution does not specify what talks will be on and only states that there should be a "dialogue" meaning status talks will also be on the table. Can any Albanian or "Kosovo" supporter please explain how "Kosovo" will join the Eu with 5 members against it's entry as an independent state and who don't even recognize it's right to exist? And how the eu will allow "Kosovo" to join if half of it's border is in dispute and 25%+ (north Kosovo, gracanica, novo brdo, strpce,partes,klokot,ranilug, gorazdevac, and velika hoca) of it's territory doesn't recognize it as anything but a serbian province? How do you expect "Kosovo" to join the eu when it isn't even a UN member and will most likely never be one due to Russo-Chinese opposition? How do you expect "Kosovo" to join the eu when 60% of the world refuses to recognize it's right to exist... And don't even say that dozens of more recognitions will cone because you've said that for 2 months now and alot of countries have said the ICJ decision made no change in their position an that t did not rule directly on "kosovos" right to independence. Face it "Kosovo" can never be a country as long as Serbia exists.

"Demi you are right. As eguals or no discussion. The Serbs are however not yet ready mentaly for this "egals" condition. As a result there will not be any dialogue for maybe one more year. After that the EU will push Serbia again just like on September 8 with the resolution."
(Joe, 16 September 2010 17:46)

Either this guy is posing as an american or he flunked out of the sub-standard american public education system. Joe got left behind.

@anonymous

it is simple, you are under the impression that those 5 eu members will never ever under any conditions flip.

Serbia may very well "never ever" recognize kosovo, but those 5 eu members? That "never ever" you imagine will be a considerably shorter period of time so long as their own interests are covered, addressed and appeased. you seem to want to insist that their interests are one and the same as serbias. Wishfull thinking does not make it so.

Obviously it is more likely to get those 5 states to flip, then it will be for serbia to get the other 17 to do so.

the UN is irrelevant at this point regarding EU membership... for what reason would you mention it? china and russia's veto? sorry you confusing the 2 organizations.

The ONLY thing that is absolutely certain...Serbia is IRRELEVANT. in every scenario serbia itself would not be the final determining factor.

Yes, status will be at issue. I cannot remember the UN resolution saying that status discussions were out of the question and that Serbia must accept Kosovo as an independent country. Remember that Kosovo's representatives couldn't even go into the UN GA without an invitation from the US and their allies.

@AdamNYC - your not getting the point. "Kosovo" or Serbia will never be allowed to join the Eu until the status is resolved. Get it through your head. eveen though Serbia wont be allowed to enter without solving the status this is exactly what it wants, "Kosovo" being forced into dialogue on status!

@anonymous

sigh, no..you are not getting the point. The potential DOES exist for kosovo to enter the EU without serbia.

hell of a lot to do, no doubt.. but Kosovo IS officially considered a potential EU candidate.

You really must stop believing the nonsensical speeches that comes from the serb govt. how the balkans will forevermore be left out without serbias approval. thats propaganda aimed at you and yours.

whenever i say that serbs think im throwing a jab or insult. but really, should the 5 flip, a more likely scenario than ALL 17 others flipping serbias way. thats it. What then? Serbia can wail all it wants. but to what end?

do you still not understand? where is the impossibility coming from on your end?

that explanation always seems to boil down to a mysterious "just because"

serbs in the region can definitely effect serbia itself and bosnia... for the worse with their own choices.

@AdamNYC
You still dont get it. "Kosovo" or Serbia can neither join the EU wihtout solving their problem
PERIOD. This hwever is exactly what Serbia wants, "kosovo" being frced to negotiate its status so that it can move forward along with Serbia as well. As long as Serbia does not recgnize "Kosovo" and even just one f the Eu members stand firmly against "Kosovo" UDI there can be no entry into the Eu by Serbia or "Kosovo".
and believe me "Kosovo" needs the EU alot more than Serbia does. As long as "Kosovo" refuses to have dialgue on its status accepted by both sides and in line with resolution 1244, there can be no mving forward econmically or politically. And dont even attempt at saying that Res. 1244 was jsut replaced by a nerw n because Ban Ki Moon today confirmed that resolutin 1244 is still in frce. Bottom line is until Serbia and the temporary institutions in "kosovo" reach a mutually agreed compromise nethier can move forward toward the Eu. This , like I said before, is exactly what Serbia wants! Both sides being forced into dialogue over "kosovos" future status.

Negotiations will occur and status will be discussed, mark my words. UN resolutions are pretty worthless these days.

Whatever gets them talking again, I dont care. After all these ICJ & UN diplomatic smokescreens to get them to the table, the point being to start & end talks unrecognized & unrecognizable.

"Kosovo and Serbia will have dialoug as equal or no way else.
Demi

Demi you are right. As eguals or no discussion. The Serbs are however not yet ready mentaly for this "egals" condition. As a result there will not be any dialogue for maybe one more year. After that the EU will push Serbia again just like on September 8 with the resolution.

After the:

1. crystal clear rule of ICJ

2. crystal clear UN GA resolution

it is very natural to say to the Slovakian FM: who in the world cares what you think?

Why some people miss golden chances to shut their mouth?

Kosovo status discusions will NEVER be on the agenda...
(PRN, 16 September 2010 16:38)
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Phew, now I know it will definitely be on the agenda as this comes from the very person who is consistently wrong.

You were the one who "predicted" mass recognitions after the ICJ and the North being under Pristina's control by September.

Regardless how insignificant UN resolutions have become nowdays we have to stick to the latest one. We know that September 2010 resolution successfully replaced the defunct 1244. So as from September 9,2010 Kosovo status discusions will NEVER be on the agenda on Albanians-Serbian meetings unless a new resolution get adopted...chances of which are 0.0000000001%.

So please calm down play wise cards.
Cheer up guys

Are there any more Yankees out there still deluding themselves about how much the Afghan people love them?
(lowe, 16 September 2010, 11:05)

No, and most of us simply don't care.

Negotiations will occur and status will be discussed, mark my words. UN resolutions are pretty worthless these days.
(Zoran, 16 September 2010 13:09)


I am glad you notice that 1244R is worthless.

to FM Mikulas Dzurinda. you are joeking right? why did you vote on thet part of resolution when there is no single word about status?

Negotiations will occur and status will be discussed, mark my words. UN resolutions are pretty worthless these days.
(Zoran, 16 September 2010 13:09)

The independence of Kosovo cannot change because the people of Kosovo, US, UK,France and Germany cannot accept that. Maybee the status can be disscused on the best way for Serbia to accept the new reality without provoking the serbian people. Kosovo cannot and will not re-unite with Albania or Serbia but will stay independent because this has brought stability to the region and helped the serbian-albanian conflict.

Albanians will never ever accept serbian sovregnity or serbian rule over Kosovo. Realise that if you want an lasting solution based on peace between the two people.


Serbia on the other hand can accept an multi-ethnic independent Kosovo because Kosovo is the place for it's citizens Kosovo is historical albanian land because albanians have lived there for hundred of years and never left it like serbs have done. Building some churches on a territory dosen't make that territory yours. There are greek ortodox churches in Turkey but that dosen't make Turkey greek and othervise.


Maybee you are right that the status of Kosovo will in some way come to the table but nothing will change. Kosovo and Serbia will have dialoug as equal or no way else.

Are there any more Yankees out there still deluding themselves about how much the Afghan people love them?
(lowe, 16 September 2010, 11:05)

No, and most of us simply don't care.
(JohnnyC

Jonny you are absolutely right. Most of us couldn't care less. Apparently some people outside the US are obsessed by Afghanistan and can't grasp that our thoughts in the morning do not start with Afghanistan and do not finish with it in the evening. We read casually about it in the papers but it stops there.

To make some doubts totally crystal clear: Kosovos status will very much be one of the topics at the coming negotiations. No one else than the Albanians think something else. 1. For 122 countries in the UN, Kosovo is a Serbian province and nothing else. 2. Five countries in the EU have no plans whatsoever to recognize Kosovo. 3. BiH will never be able to recognize. I dont think it will need further expaination why. 4. To the Serbs I will make something very very clear. I have worked with 100s of american soldiers, police officers, diplomats, contractors etc. I have NEVER heard ANYONE take the side of the K Albanians against Serbia. Never. The "normal" american in America don not know what Kosovo is, where it is located etc.

Negotiations will occur and status will be discussed, mark my words. UN resolutions are pretty worthless these days.
(Zoran, 16 September 2010 13:09)

All of sudden UN resolutions are worthless. In mean time when Kosovo does join the UN I assume you will telling us that UN membership is also worthless?

Slovakia and its FM is the biggest joke that I ever seen.
Even serbs don't talk about Kosovo as much as this moron.I think he just want to be in the media and doesn't miss a chanse to talk.
Last week he approved a resolution where the status issue was omited and now he is spinning around.
I am curious to see what he is going to say when EU will order Slovakia to recognise Kosovo and Slovakia will say YES.Slovakia unlike Spain and Cypro have recognised Kosovo's passaports,yet Spain and Cypro don't talk every minute about Kosovo.Recognising passaports is informal recognision isn't it?Greece,Romania and Slovakia have done this.Greece even has a embassy in Prishtina.Last week I have called Slovakia,Greece and Romania as scum countries.I think they are the spin countries.
Frankly I have more respect for Serbia and Spain, even though they have done more against Kosovo, than for FM of Slovakia,Romania or Greece.

Just want all the Albanians on here that keep saying the new resolution says nothing anywhere about "status" it also says nothing about technical talks and does not specify what the "talks" will be on. All the resolution says is that there should be "dialogue". Status will be discussed no matter what. How does "kosova" expect to join the eu with over 350km (50%) of its border in dispute with over 60% of the world? Serbia also will have to solve it's issue in Kosovo but that is exactly what serbia wants! Negotiations on status! They are inevitable! Face it, the eu would never allow Kim to join the eu if 5 of its members refuse to recognize it and by the time "Kosovo" is ready to get candidate status Serbia and Bosnia will have already joined the eu making 7 countries opposed to Kosovo joining. Albanians need to get it through their heads that as long as Serbia,Russia,china, and the 5 eu states don't recognize the UDI Kosovo can never become a legitimate country and will always remain A Serbian province under UN protection.

Yes, status will be at issue. I cannot remember the UN resolution saying that status discussions were out of the question and that Serbia must accept Kosovo as an independent country. Remember that Kosovo's representatives couldn't even go into the UN GA without an invitation from the US and their allies.

Demi, 16 September 2010 16:08)


The Albanians will at the first opportunity be sold down the drain by the freedom loving peoples of US, UK, France and Germany. These countries do not have friends but interests and as the west is declining with particular reference to the US losing the war in Iraq and NATO being stopped in its tracks in Afghanistan, that is exactly the reason for talks and status will be discussed and not to “tell Serbia to accept this so called independence” either.

Kosovo is an unsustainable region on its own – it has nothing to make it as viable country, no resources and its arable lands are very limited so without EU or US financial support it’s finished. The EU will NEVER allow Kosovo to join with Albania.

Get real what are the Albanians going to do if the powers wash their hands of Kosovo?

Now here is a claim I find to understand – we were in Kosovo for hundreds of years” and a few churches do not make it Serb territory. I’ll accept that statement if you can show me what have the ancient Illyrians have built over the hundreds of years in Kosovo. There are structures built by the Otomans and there are structures built by the Serbs but nowhere do I see Albanian ruins.

Turkey is not a good example to use because all the ancient ruins are actually Greek or Roman so there is very little Turkish architecture around – look at the Mosques they are all of Byzantine design.


(PRN, 16 September 2010 16:38)

Sad but true status is on the table, but they tell you guys NEVER. What are they going to talk about? How Albanians can look for work in Serbia? Everything is on the table.

(Joe, 16 September 2010 17:46)

The EU wanted the Resolution to be abandoned – read up on it. The EU and US never wanted any negotiations at all on any issue because for them it was all finished and Serbia had to accept the reality, but look at what’s on the table now – negotiations on the status.

Face it, the eu would never allow Kim to join the eu if 5 of its members refuse to recognize it and by the time "Kosovo" is ready to get candidate status Serbia and Bosnia will have already joined the eu making 7 countries opposed to Kosovo joining.
(Anonymous, 16 September 2010 22:21)

You are funny Anonymous,
Let us look at your “statement” closer.
You are saying that Kosova (commonly I use the term “Kosovo” however since you use Kim I though to spice it u a bit) cannot join EU because 5 EU members (increasing to 7 when Serbia and Bosnia “join”) do not recognise Kosova.
If that is true, explain me how can Serbia join if 22 EU states do not recognise it with the borders that Serbia preaches?
The way things look Anonymous, Macedonia, Montenegro and Albania might join before Serbia does.
If that happens (and it most likely will) it will make 25 EU states that have recognised us.
It is annoying when numbers don’t add up, isn’t it Anonymous.

Demi you are right. As eguals or no discussion.
(Joe, 16 September 2010 17:46)
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You guys set the bar too high. Now who do we have to match Thaci? I'd offer Miladin Kovačević (the guy who beat up that person in the US) but he's going to be locked away for a couple of years and he doesn't even come close to your clan. I mean who else? We don't have terrorists on our side so we can't negotiate as equals. Sorry to disappoint.

Maybee you are right that the status of Kosovo will in some way come to the table but nothing will change.
(Demi, 16 September 2010 16:08)
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I know nothing will change Demi, I have been saying that for a very long time. More than autonomy, less than independence. That is the reality.

We know that September 2010 resolution successfully replaced the defunct 1244.
(PRN, 16 September 2010 16:38)

Some people seem either to know more than others, or they live in a fantasy world with some bizarre interpretations of the things that happened recently. Strange.

"Demi you are right. As eguals or no discussion. The Serbs are however not yet ready mentaly for this "egals" condition. As a result there will not be any dialogue for maybe one more year. After that the EU will push Serbia again just like on September 8 with the resolution."
(Joe, 16 September 2010 17:46)

Either this guy is posing as an american or he flunked out of the sub-standard american public education system. Joe got left behind.

@Gjergj Fishta - yes Serbia will not be able to join the eu until it solves the Kosovo issue I already stated that in my last comment that you criticized. But not being able for Serbia or "Kosovo" to join the Eu is exactly what Serbia wants because it will force "Kosovo" to discuss the status of it with Serbia or neither can join. The resolution does not specify what talks will be on and only states that there should be a "dialogue" meaning status talks will also be on the table. Can any Albanian or "Kosovo" supporter please explain how "Kosovo" will join the Eu with 5 members against it's entry as an independent state and who don't even recognize it's right to exist? And how the eu will allow "Kosovo" to join if half of it's border is in dispute and 25%+ (north Kosovo, gracanica, novo brdo, strpce,partes,klokot,ranilug, gorazdevac, and velika hoca) of it's territory doesn't recognize it as anything but a serbian province? How do you expect "Kosovo" to join the eu when it isn't even a UN member and will most likely never be one due to Russo-Chinese opposition? How do you expect "Kosovo" to join the eu when 60% of the world refuses to recognize it's right to exist... And don't even say that dozens of more recognitions will cone because you've said that for 2 months now and alot of countries have said the ICJ decision made no change in their position an that t did not rule directly on "kosovos" right to independence. Face it "Kosovo" can never be a country as long as Serbia exists.

"The "normal" american in America don not know what Kosovo is, where it is located etc."
Staff

Maybe under "normal" you mean "blue collar" workers without higher education not reading the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, etc. They hardly know about Serbia either. Maybe some of them with better memory remember Serbia because of Milosevic and the terrible pictures of burning houses in Kosovo in association with him seen in evening papers. And since your "normal" Americans delegate their powers to their elected delegates, who act for them, it does not matter how little they now about that corner of the world called the Balkans.

@anonymous

it is simple, you are under the impression that those 5 eu members will never ever under any conditions flip.

Serbia may very well "never ever" recognize kosovo, but those 5 eu members? That "never ever" you imagine will be a considerably shorter period of time so long as their own interests are covered, addressed and appeased. you seem to want to insist that their interests are one and the same as serbias. Wishfull thinking does not make it so.

Obviously it is more likely to get those 5 states to flip, then it will be for serbia to get the other 17 to do so.

the UN is irrelevant at this point regarding EU membership... for what reason would you mention it? china and russia's veto? sorry you confusing the 2 organizations.

The ONLY thing that is absolutely certain...Serbia is IRRELEVANT. in every scenario serbia itself would not be the final determining factor.

I know nothing will change Demi, I have been saying that for a very long time. More than autonomy, less than independence. That is the reality.
(Zoran, 16 September 2010 20:35)


Yes maybee your reality. But in the reality of 22 EU member states, US Japan,Canada, Colombia and Saudia Arabia Kosovo is an independent state. Let's see how far Serbia can push it againt these countrys wich are the most powerful in the world. When time comes to take the step into EU we will see how Tadic and co will recognize Kosovo letting the serbian citizens to know that the battle for Kosovo was lost long time ago. No EU without recognizing Kosovo that will be a ultimatium mark my words.

man, serb apologists are really something special.

No status talks. end of story. your govt. already caved in on the point to the EU.

serbs will bring it up, kosovo will scoff, serbs will complain, the eu will remind serbia of its own resolution. And serbia can either get on with relevant issues or renege on the very same resolution everyone is crystal clear on...

@staff
oh please

@Anonymous
you fail to grasp the fact that up until now there has been no official talks between the govt. of kosovo and serbia EVER. This 'dialogue' you are trying to downplay is an enormous reversal of everything serbia has been doing these past few decades. and a devastating political smack in the face to everything its tried to scheme so far.

No big deal right?

no escape from reality.

And this is why nobody takes the EU seriously - weeks of careful diplomatic work to ensure that the resolution specifically does NOT call for discussion of all issues (meaning status) ... and along comes Slovakia, with less than 1% of the population of the EU, and calls for exactly the opposite.

Giving everybody a veto made sense when there were only 7 members, but now there are 27, it means continuing weakness and irrelevance.

The U.S. works (note - in English that's a singular noun) because all 50 states share the same language and culture and have agreed to rules that allow taking majority decisions. The Soviet Union worked because Russia was so much stronger than everyone else it could compel agreement. The EU - well, at least it's prevented fighting since the end of WWII. Among its own members. Which, considering European history, is not a small thing. But as long as Slovakia, or Cyprus, can hold up or override what should be a union-level decision for its own nationalistic purposes, you can forget the EU becoming a serious international player. Who can trust them on any decision they agree to?

@AdamNYC - your not getting the point. "Kosovo" or Serbia will never be allowed to join the Eu until the status is resolved. Get it through your head. eveen though Serbia wont be allowed to enter without solving the status this is exactly what it wants, "Kosovo" being forced into dialogue on status!

@anonymous

sigh, no..you are not getting the point. The potential DOES exist for kosovo to enter the EU without serbia.

hell of a lot to do, no doubt.. but Kosovo IS officially considered a potential EU candidate.

You really must stop believing the nonsensical speeches that comes from the serb govt. how the balkans will forevermore be left out without serbias approval. thats propaganda aimed at you and yours.

whenever i say that serbs think im throwing a jab or insult. but really, should the 5 flip, a more likely scenario than ALL 17 others flipping serbias way. thats it. What then? Serbia can wail all it wants. but to what end?

do you still not understand? where is the impossibility coming from on your end?

that explanation always seems to boil down to a mysterious "just because"

serbs in the region can definitely effect serbia itself and bosnia... for the worse with their own choices.

@AdamNYC
You still dont get it. "Kosovo" or Serbia can neither join the EU wihtout solving their problem
PERIOD. This hwever is exactly what Serbia wants, "kosovo" being frced to negotiate its status so that it can move forward along with Serbia as well. As long as Serbia does not recgnize "Kosovo" and even just one f the Eu members stand firmly against "Kosovo" UDI there can be no entry into the Eu by Serbia or "Kosovo".
and believe me "Kosovo" needs the EU alot more than Serbia does. As long as "Kosovo" refuses to have dialgue on its status accepted by both sides and in line with resolution 1244, there can be no mving forward econmically or politically. And dont even attempt at saying that Res. 1244 was jsut replaced by a nerw n because Ban Ki Moon today confirmed that resolutin 1244 is still in frce. Bottom line is until Serbia and the temporary institutions in "kosovo" reach a mutually agreed compromise nethier can move forward toward the Eu. This , like I said before, is exactly what Serbia wants! Both sides being forced into dialogue over "kosovos" future status.