Kosovo PM: New chapter in relations

Hate to say it but he´s right.

I agree with Mr Thaçi sooner Or later Serbia will recognise Kosovo even though to some point she just did with than UN resolution.

Cheers

Serbia did weaken its hand and the people are furious so take the opportunity while it's there. However, it's time to face reality - more than autonomy, less than independence is self-fulfilling.
(Zoran, 13 September 2010 13:10)

this expression "more thanautonomy, less than independance" is honestly as obsolete as "Kosovo je Srbije"...

The KLA terrorist can say that when he gets 45 more recognitions which he wont get because anti-UDI states know Serbia was blackmailed and have their own internal reasons for being anti-UDI. But hey, whatever gets gets them into negotiatiations without the needed recognitions just as Serbia & Anti-UDI EU states have called for since January.
(highduke, 13 September 2010 13:48

45 recignitions you are talking about are at the door steps, but I wonder what would you have to say then? Maybe you will cook somthing else up,ah? Time will tell who is right and who is dreaming!

Not so fast Mr.Hashim Thaci,that machine gun fire yesterday added another nail in in the coffin for your
Kosovo.Who in the right state of mind would grant Statehood to such entity?I hope your masters realize that they have to be in Kosovo for quite some time to bring you and your people to minimum standards.Your Kosovo is light years way.

Kosova is a reality. Accept the fact and live like good neighbours. I'm tired of all this hate that exists in the balkans.

The clock is ticking Mr Thaci. If that's what you need to tell your people to accept negotiations then so be it.

Serbia did weaken its hand and the people are furious so take the opportunity while it's there. However, it's time to face reality - more than autonomy, less than independence is self-fulfilling.

"Thaci said that by changing its UN resolution on Kosovo, Serbia has already “lost its battle even before it has begun";

What an exquisite diplomat this guy. He knows how to find the right words to invite to dialogue uh? Sincerily, a Europe supporting this kind of charachters (whatever ethnicity, really I don't care) is not my Europe.

I think he's wrong. Serbia did what it did to maintain its chances of entering the EU. Next step is to go to the negotiating table with Kosovo's Albanians and see what can be mapped out. Unless Serbia says explicitly and in no uncertain terms that it has recognized Kosovo's UDI, it hasn't recognized it. There is no such a thing as an implicit recognition.

The KLA terrorist can say that when he gets 45 more recognitions which he wont get because anti-UDI states know Serbia was blackmailed and have their own internal reasons for being anti-UDI. But hey, whatever gets gets them into negotiatiations without the needed recognitions just as Serbia & Anti-UDI EU states have called for since January.

And this is the guy Serbia is to negotiate with. He speaks like a street thug, not as a PM. Does Pristina have anyone in politics that has a little diplomacy? I know that Brussels collectively rolls their eyes, every time this guy opens his mouth.

this expression "more thanautonomy, less than independance" is honestly as obsolete as "Kosovo je Srbije"...
(Hans, 13 September 2010 14:31)
--
It is reality my friend otherwise the "Kosova" delegation wouldn't have sat in the visitors section of the UN. Also the UN wouldn't have been delayed for two hours while the US, Germany and the UK offically sent their invitation.

Truly independent countries have offical seats whereas "Kosova" never will. Now that translates into "less than independence". Cheers!!

this expression "more thanautonomy, less than independance" is honestly as obsolete as "Kosovo je Srbije"...
(Hans, 13 September 2010 14:31)

What would you know what Kosovo is to Serbs, Hans? Each of the Serbian monasteries is and forever will be Serbian. The value of Kosovo to Serbs will be forever, regardless of who is in power. Kosovo is indeed Serbia to those of us who value our heritage and religion.

Sorry, Snake, Serbia has not recognized an independent Albanian Kosovo. Stop trying to put your own spin on things, and trying to read between the lines.

Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci said that by changing its UN resolution on Kosovo, Serbia has already “lost its battle even before it has begun.”


dht´s reply:

If this would really be the case, there would be no necessity for Thaci to make this statement:
A winner need not tell everybody that he is the winner.

Thaci is simply a ham actor.

Instead of having a big mouth, Thaci should better do something to solve the grave social problems of the Kosovo Albanians who do not belong to Thaci´s clan.

But he will not do so !

"Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci said that by changing its UN resolution on Kosovo, Serbia has already 'lost its battle even before it has begun.'"

-- I always thought this guy was a little dim. The number of concessions Belgrade can extract from Kosovo by not openly laying claim to *all* of Kosovo may prove to be too much for Thaci's pride to swallow. Where was Pristina in this? The visitors' gallery in both the literal and figurative sense. They have someone else represent them, that someone else offers a joint resolution with the one state that's been a thorn in its side, they now seem to have harmonized their positions of agreeing to disagree, and Thaci calls this a defeat for Belgrade? By getting a unanimous UN vote by cooperating with the EU, Serbia gains the diplomatic upper hand against Pristina and in the process brings a number of potential EU opponents to its own side as being more receptive to its strategic interests in Kosovo.

I don't think that Serbia will be part of EU without recognize Kosovo as independent country, will never going to happen. All Balkan's countries will be part of EU when they will fix all the problems between each others. At the end what's all this about territory?, one day will be no borders. why peoples has to hate each other specialy youngs, I am albanian from Kosovo but I want to live my life as any european, I would like to go in belgrade in the bar and have fun and so the young serbian has to do so. Live your life as a human.

"45 recignitions you are talking about are at the door steps"
Kosovo-USA

45 recognitions on the way!!! Suuuure! Here we go again with the albanian predictions."Serbs have recognized Kosovo", "Russia and Greece will recognize Kosovo tomorrow", "Serbia and Pristina had secret talks..." bla bla bla bla
Albanian predictions have never been right...It's nothing more then wishfull thinking.

--Kosova is a reality...i'm tired of all this hate...- (jordan)

thanks jordan, couldn't have said it better. Kosova is a reality -- all of the energy used to fight that reality and keep kosova "a black hole" has only prolonged the agony of the balkans. and continued the hate fest, intense now as ever.

and that's supposed to be a noble goal?

if even a fraction of that negative energy had been put into positive projects,there is no doubt that the lives of the common people there could have benefitted. instead we have a situation without secure borders, with a lack of the rule of law (esp.ly n mitrovica), w/unending tensions, and an utter lack of progress in dealing with the horrors of the war period,not to mention getting past it.

serbia needs to recognize kosova, deal with the past, and then get moving towards the future. once that happens, if that ever happens, we will be amazed to see how quickly people are able to get over "ancient animosities"and find common ground in specific, pragmatic ways.

thanks,jordan!

roberto
frisco

I agree with Jordan. Serbia has the face the new reality. Albanians have decided to be independent just as the Serbs of the SR. Who could change the mind of the Serbs from Srbska Rep. to join with Bosnia Herz?

(highduke, 13 September 2010 13:48)
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What are 45 recognitions going to mean when it's the UNSC that makes the final decision? We have two vetoes there so in that case it doesn't matter whether Kosovo gets 45 or another 100 recognitions, independence is irreversibly blocked. The best "Kosova" can achieve is a special status within the EU, where its full membership as an independent country is also blocked by five members. That's why more than autonomy, less than independence is self-fulfilling.

Of course the DS will try to sell Kosovo but there is no chance it will succeed. We have another 10 years before Europe splits again. Those aligned to the east will benefit greatly.

After their behavior at the General Assembly, I doubt kosovo will improve one bit. They will always be a welfare basket case drain on the west.
The eu has to figure out how to get Serbia in during the next year or goodbye clooney. Then, Serbia will submit the original resolution next year with proof of the duplicity of the west. The clock is ticking on the eu and boris tadic.

I would like to know what kind of things he smoked to see the things that happened (ICJ ruling, new UN resolution) in that way, because there are moments when I want to live in a dream world, too.
(Top, 13 September 2010 21:25)
You have been living in a fantasy world for sometime now, time to face reality, Kosovois lost forever, and Serbia is going nowhere while in denial.

If that is a fact, why this guy has to repeat it everything single day, doesn't he have better to do, per exemple to take care of the social limbo in which kosovo is! What a windmill!!

I would like to know what kind of things he smoked to see the things that happened (ICJ ruling, new UN resolution) in that way, because there are moments when I want to live in a dream world, too.

Roberto - "w/unending tensions, and an utter lack of progress in dealing with the horrors of the war period,"

You must be speaking from experience within the Albanian camp seeing as Kosovo has prosecuted ZERO Albanian war criminals, whilst the Serbs have been busy investigating and prosecuting theirs! This lack of will is simply a reflection of Albanian society. You don't have a European future - you just haven't been told that yet.

Any half competent legal practitioner would tell you that this judicial decision is not worth the paper its written on – law works on precedent i.e. “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” or if its Ok for the Albanians to declare independence then its Ok for anyone else.
(sj, 14 September 2010 01:31)

Dear Serbian neighbours (only some of you indeed), please stop being ridiculous for the sake of the good conversation people can make at B92. Any half competent legal practicioner would tell you that you should check the specific circumstances not only the deeds. It's easly like that.

RE: The political ramifications of the UN resolution.

Boris Tadic will save his job if he can minimize any new recognitions of Kosovo.

The submission for the ICJ opinion may prove to be a blessing in disguise.

Just as the "guarantee of territorial sovereingty" clause in UN resolution 1244 has been watered down, so will the ICJ opinion of the so called "legality of Kosovo declaration of independance"

UN resolution 1244 continues to be binding and not superceded by the new UN phantom resolution.

Kosovo will be frozen for years to come while Serbia may have won a concession to fast track to the European Union.

The other option is Serbia to pursue a dual trading approach by securing preferential trading status with the EU while continuing a strong economic trading relationship with Asia and Russia. This can only be done by utilzing its competitive advantage in military production & trade, steel,mining,agriculture, and continue to build on strong intellectual capacity in IT. This was the economic vision of Zoran Djindjic.

Let’s put all of this into perspective.

First it was the ICJ that rules as a “one off” only decision that the Albanians' declaration was not illegal – this means that no other group can claim the same, Kosovo is a special case.

Any half competent legal practitioner would tell you that this judicial decision is not worth the paper its written on – law works on precedent i.e. “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” or if its Ok for the Albanians to declare independence then its Ok for anyone else.

To recognise the ruling is fine but when the ruling is legalistic nonsense then any recognition falls into that category. Even US legal experts now say that the ICJ ruling is RUBBISH, but due to a free press in the US they never get on TV.

Now this change of resolution that the west waves as a victory. It seems to have overlooked that they were against any negotiations taking place; in fact B92 has an interview with William Hague on this website who states that “It would be good to withdraw resolution”. The west was against any negotiations taking place at ALL. These are not just talks about how the remaining Serbs are going to live in paradise with the Albanians either.

Negotiations does not mean recognition and the Albanians can read all the tea leaves they like but the facts are the facts. Ask yourself if you recognise a new country what do you have to negotiate over. This is more like the beginning of the breakup of Kosovo.

It is evident that Tadic and co are western clowns but they can’t give away something that is not within their power to give. Another factor that has been overlooked is the Russians – they are not in Nis for their health or to stamp out fires. They have a huge interest in the Balkans and any deviation will see Tadic’s government destabilised very quickly.

@Epirus


1. Epirus wrote:

"I don't think that Serbia will be part of EU without recognize Kosovo as independent country, will never going to happen. "


2. dht:

No, it will happen !

Dear Serbian neighbours (only some of you indeed), please stop being ridiculous for the sake of the good conversation people can make at B92. Any half competent legal practicioner would tell you that you should check the specific circumstances not only the deeds. It's easly like that.
(alb jew, 14 September 2010 12:32)

What?????

Serbia gained important allies by working with the EU on this resolution. It should be clear now that the EU is working harder to get Serbia into the EU. Thaci can say all he wants, but this was not a recognition. It was a step forward for Kosovo.

when will those albanian dreamers like roberto and others understand that there is no "kosova", ...there is only temporarily occupied serbian territory.
you cannot change that fact. you can go on with falsifying history, denying the truth, claiming to be the "illyrians" and so on...

but you cannot change the truth - you do not have the right to take what is not yours.

and that will haunt you some day in the future, since Serbia will prevail.

it´s just a question of time.

the sooner you understand that, the better it is for you in the first place.

but, believing in "good neighbourly connections" with Serbia, ...you must be stupid, if you really and in all seriousness believe to be in the position to face Serbia as an equal political entity.

you are a part of Serbia, a province.

time will come and then you will be forced to accept that.
times change, you know...

Dear Serbian neighbours (only some of you indeed), please stop being ridiculous for the sake of the good conversation people can make at B92. Any half competent legal practicioner would tell you that you should check the specific circumstances not only the deeds. It's easly like that.
(alb jew, 14 September 2010 12:32)


The Kosovo issue went to the ICJ for a judgement on the question of whether the declaration was legal and it ruled that that the act was not illegal, but fell short of giving the “green” light to independence. The west did not want to go as far as having the Court declare Kosovo independent. As the west currently has the numbers on the bench it could have done that very easily, but it would have opened a “Pandora’s Box”.

However, as the ICJ has ruled that the declaration was not illegal then this applies to all groups on this planet that wish to do the same. If the Albanians in Kosovo were oppressed as claimed, then why can’t other peoples suffering the same declare their independence?

That is why the ICJ decision is nonsense and it has lowered the dignity of that institution for a long time to come. Who is going to go to the ICJ for an impartial decision when it can be “rigged” in favour of one side regardless of past precedent.

when will those albanian dreamers like roberto and others understand that there is no "kosova", ...there is only temporarily occupied serbian territory.
you cannot change that fact. you can go on with falsifying history, denying the truth, claiming to be the "illyrians" and so on...

but you cannot change the truth - you do not have the right to take what is not yours.

and that will haunt you some day in the future, since Serbia will prevail.

it´s just a question of time.

the sooner you understand that, the better it is for you in the first place.

but, believing in "good neighbourly connections" with Serbia, ...you must be stupid, if you really and in all seriousness believe to be in the position to face Serbia as an equal political entity.

you are a part of Serbia, a province.

time will come and then you will be forced to accept that.
times change, you know...
(Jovan, 15 September 2010 14:23)

Your banjo really has only one string "Serbia will prevail"....whatever.

It reminds me that Iraqi high ranking army officer that was talking on TV how the Americans were being destroyed and they were loosing the war, while the american troops where at the doorsteps of Baghdad.

No one can predict the future, maybe in 500 yrs Serbia might get Kosovo back, and in another 500 yrs Albanians get it back once again... but for right now and in a near future say the next 100-200 yrs Kosovo will not be a part of Serbian state.... this is just some flashnews for you....

In a few years we will even build an army which will solidify the independence from Serbia.

So I think you better wake up from this dream and understand that there is no going back, at least not in the foreseeable future.

That is why the ICJ decision is nonsense and it has lowered the dignity of that institution for a long time to come. Who is going to go to the ICJ for an impartial decision when it can be “rigged” in favour of one side regardless of past precedent.
(sj, 15 September 2010 07:32)
A picture perfect synopsis one would expect from the losing team.

I think he's wrong. Serbia did what it did to maintain its chances of entering the EU. Next step is to go to the negotiating table with Kosovo's Albanians and see what can be mapped out. Unless Serbia says explicitly and in no uncertain terms that it has recognized Kosovo's UDI, it hasn't recognized it. There is no such a thing as an implicit recognition.

Not so fast Mr.Hashim Thaci,that machine gun fire yesterday added another nail in in the coffin for your
Kosovo.Who in the right state of mind would grant Statehood to such entity?I hope your masters realize that they have to be in Kosovo for quite some time to bring you and your people to minimum standards.Your Kosovo is light years way.

Sorry, Snake, Serbia has not recognized an independent Albanian Kosovo. Stop trying to put your own spin on things, and trying to read between the lines.

The clock is ticking Mr Thaci. If that's what you need to tell your people to accept negotiations then so be it.

Serbia did weaken its hand and the people are furious so take the opportunity while it's there. However, it's time to face reality - more than autonomy, less than independence is self-fulfilling.

"Thaci said that by changing its UN resolution on Kosovo, Serbia has already “lost its battle even before it has begun";

What an exquisite diplomat this guy. He knows how to find the right words to invite to dialogue uh? Sincerily, a Europe supporting this kind of charachters (whatever ethnicity, really I don't care) is not my Europe.

And this is the guy Serbia is to negotiate with. He speaks like a street thug, not as a PM. Does Pristina have anyone in politics that has a little diplomacy? I know that Brussels collectively rolls their eyes, every time this guy opens his mouth.

The KLA terrorist can say that when he gets 45 more recognitions which he wont get because anti-UDI states know Serbia was blackmailed and have their own internal reasons for being anti-UDI. But hey, whatever gets gets them into negotiatiations without the needed recognitions just as Serbia & Anti-UDI EU states have called for since January.

this expression "more thanautonomy, less than independance" is honestly as obsolete as "Kosovo je Srbije"...
(Hans, 13 September 2010 14:31)
--
It is reality my friend otherwise the "Kosova" delegation wouldn't have sat in the visitors section of the UN. Also the UN wouldn't have been delayed for two hours while the US, Germany and the UK offically sent their invitation.

Truly independent countries have offical seats whereas "Kosova" never will. Now that translates into "less than independence". Cheers!!

this expression "more thanautonomy, less than independance" is honestly as obsolete as "Kosovo je Srbije"...
(Hans, 13 September 2010 14:31)

What would you know what Kosovo is to Serbs, Hans? Each of the Serbian monasteries is and forever will be Serbian. The value of Kosovo to Serbs will be forever, regardless of who is in power. Kosovo is indeed Serbia to those of us who value our heritage and religion.

(highduke, 13 September 2010 13:48)
--
What are 45 recognitions going to mean when it's the UNSC that makes the final decision? We have two vetoes there so in that case it doesn't matter whether Kosovo gets 45 or another 100 recognitions, independence is irreversibly blocked. The best "Kosova" can achieve is a special status within the EU, where its full membership as an independent country is also blocked by five members. That's why more than autonomy, less than independence is self-fulfilling.

Of course the DS will try to sell Kosovo but there is no chance it will succeed. We have another 10 years before Europe splits again. Those aligned to the east will benefit greatly.

"Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci said that by changing its UN resolution on Kosovo, Serbia has already 'lost its battle even before it has begun.'"

-- I always thought this guy was a little dim. The number of concessions Belgrade can extract from Kosovo by not openly laying claim to *all* of Kosovo may prove to be too much for Thaci's pride to swallow. Where was Pristina in this? The visitors' gallery in both the literal and figurative sense. They have someone else represent them, that someone else offers a joint resolution with the one state that's been a thorn in its side, they now seem to have harmonized their positions of agreeing to disagree, and Thaci calls this a defeat for Belgrade? By getting a unanimous UN vote by cooperating with the EU, Serbia gains the diplomatic upper hand against Pristina and in the process brings a number of potential EU opponents to its own side as being more receptive to its strategic interests in Kosovo.

Kosova is a reality. Accept the fact and live like good neighbours. I'm tired of all this hate that exists in the balkans.

I agree with Mr Thaçi sooner Or later Serbia will recognise Kosovo even though to some point she just did with than UN resolution.

Cheers

Kosovo Prime Minister Hashim Thaci said that by changing its UN resolution on Kosovo, Serbia has already “lost its battle even before it has begun.”


dht´s reply:

If this would really be the case, there would be no necessity for Thaci to make this statement:
A winner need not tell everybody that he is the winner.

Thaci is simply a ham actor.

Instead of having a big mouth, Thaci should better do something to solve the grave social problems of the Kosovo Albanians who do not belong to Thaci´s clan.

But he will not do so !

Serbia did weaken its hand and the people are furious so take the opportunity while it's there. However, it's time to face reality - more than autonomy, less than independence is self-fulfilling.
(Zoran, 13 September 2010 13:10)

this expression "more thanautonomy, less than independance" is honestly as obsolete as "Kosovo je Srbije"...

The KLA terrorist can say that when he gets 45 more recognitions which he wont get because anti-UDI states know Serbia was blackmailed and have their own internal reasons for being anti-UDI. But hey, whatever gets gets them into negotiatiations without the needed recognitions just as Serbia & Anti-UDI EU states have called for since January.
(highduke, 13 September 2010 13:48

45 recignitions you are talking about are at the door steps, but I wonder what would you have to say then? Maybe you will cook somthing else up,ah? Time will tell who is right and who is dreaming!

Hate to say it but he´s right.

"45 recignitions you are talking about are at the door steps"
Kosovo-USA

45 recognitions on the way!!! Suuuure! Here we go again with the albanian predictions."Serbs have recognized Kosovo", "Russia and Greece will recognize Kosovo tomorrow", "Serbia and Pristina had secret talks..." bla bla bla bla
Albanian predictions have never been right...It's nothing more then wishfull thinking.

After their behavior at the General Assembly, I doubt kosovo will improve one bit. They will always be a welfare basket case drain on the west.
The eu has to figure out how to get Serbia in during the next year or goodbye clooney. Then, Serbia will submit the original resolution next year with proof of the duplicity of the west. The clock is ticking on the eu and boris tadic.

If that is a fact, why this guy has to repeat it everything single day, doesn't he have better to do, per exemple to take care of the social limbo in which kosovo is! What a windmill!!

I would like to know what kind of things he smoked to see the things that happened (ICJ ruling, new UN resolution) in that way, because there are moments when I want to live in a dream world, too.

I don't think that Serbia will be part of EU without recognize Kosovo as independent country, will never going to happen. All Balkan's countries will be part of EU when they will fix all the problems between each others. At the end what's all this about territory?, one day will be no borders. why peoples has to hate each other specialy youngs, I am albanian from Kosovo but I want to live my life as any european, I would like to go in belgrade in the bar and have fun and so the young serbian has to do so. Live your life as a human.

--Kosova is a reality...i'm tired of all this hate...- (jordan)

thanks jordan, couldn't have said it better. Kosova is a reality -- all of the energy used to fight that reality and keep kosova "a black hole" has only prolonged the agony of the balkans. and continued the hate fest, intense now as ever.

and that's supposed to be a noble goal?

if even a fraction of that negative energy had been put into positive projects,there is no doubt that the lives of the common people there could have benefitted. instead we have a situation without secure borders, with a lack of the rule of law (esp.ly n mitrovica), w/unending tensions, and an utter lack of progress in dealing with the horrors of the war period,not to mention getting past it.

serbia needs to recognize kosova, deal with the past, and then get moving towards the future. once that happens, if that ever happens, we will be amazed to see how quickly people are able to get over "ancient animosities"and find common ground in specific, pragmatic ways.

thanks,jordan!

roberto
frisco

Roberto - "w/unending tensions, and an utter lack of progress in dealing with the horrors of the war period,"

You must be speaking from experience within the Albanian camp seeing as Kosovo has prosecuted ZERO Albanian war criminals, whilst the Serbs have been busy investigating and prosecuting theirs! This lack of will is simply a reflection of Albanian society. You don't have a European future - you just haven't been told that yet.

I agree with Jordan. Serbia has the face the new reality. Albanians have decided to be independent just as the Serbs of the SR. Who could change the mind of the Serbs from Srbska Rep. to join with Bosnia Herz?

@Epirus


1. Epirus wrote:

"I don't think that Serbia will be part of EU without recognize Kosovo as independent country, will never going to happen. "


2. dht:

No, it will happen !

Let’s put all of this into perspective.

First it was the ICJ that rules as a “one off” only decision that the Albanians' declaration was not illegal – this means that no other group can claim the same, Kosovo is a special case.

Any half competent legal practitioner would tell you that this judicial decision is not worth the paper its written on – law works on precedent i.e. “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” or if its Ok for the Albanians to declare independence then its Ok for anyone else.

To recognise the ruling is fine but when the ruling is legalistic nonsense then any recognition falls into that category. Even US legal experts now say that the ICJ ruling is RUBBISH, but due to a free press in the US they never get on TV.

Now this change of resolution that the west waves as a victory. It seems to have overlooked that they were against any negotiations taking place; in fact B92 has an interview with William Hague on this website who states that “It would be good to withdraw resolution”. The west was against any negotiations taking place at ALL. These are not just talks about how the remaining Serbs are going to live in paradise with the Albanians either.

Negotiations does not mean recognition and the Albanians can read all the tea leaves they like but the facts are the facts. Ask yourself if you recognise a new country what do you have to negotiate over. This is more like the beginning of the breakup of Kosovo.

It is evident that Tadic and co are western clowns but they can’t give away something that is not within their power to give. Another factor that has been overlooked is the Russians – they are not in Nis for their health or to stamp out fires. They have a huge interest in the Balkans and any deviation will see Tadic’s government destabilised very quickly.

I would like to know what kind of things he smoked to see the things that happened (ICJ ruling, new UN resolution) in that way, because there are moments when I want to live in a dream world, too.
(Top, 13 September 2010 21:25)
You have been living in a fantasy world for sometime now, time to face reality, Kosovois lost forever, and Serbia is going nowhere while in denial.

Serbia gained important allies by working with the EU on this resolution. It should be clear now that the EU is working harder to get Serbia into the EU. Thaci can say all he wants, but this was not a recognition. It was a step forward for Kosovo.

RE: The political ramifications of the UN resolution.

Boris Tadic will save his job if he can minimize any new recognitions of Kosovo.

The submission for the ICJ opinion may prove to be a blessing in disguise.

Just as the "guarantee of territorial sovereingty" clause in UN resolution 1244 has been watered down, so will the ICJ opinion of the so called "legality of Kosovo declaration of independance"

UN resolution 1244 continues to be binding and not superceded by the new UN phantom resolution.

Kosovo will be frozen for years to come while Serbia may have won a concession to fast track to the European Union.

The other option is Serbia to pursue a dual trading approach by securing preferential trading status with the EU while continuing a strong economic trading relationship with Asia and Russia. This can only be done by utilzing its competitive advantage in military production & trade, steel,mining,agriculture, and continue to build on strong intellectual capacity in IT. This was the economic vision of Zoran Djindjic.

Any half competent legal practitioner would tell you that this judicial decision is not worth the paper its written on – law works on precedent i.e. “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander” or if its Ok for the Albanians to declare independence then its Ok for anyone else.
(sj, 14 September 2010 01:31)

Dear Serbian neighbours (only some of you indeed), please stop being ridiculous for the sake of the good conversation people can make at B92. Any half competent legal practicioner would tell you that you should check the specific circumstances not only the deeds. It's easly like that.

when will those albanian dreamers like roberto and others understand that there is no "kosova", ...there is only temporarily occupied serbian territory.
you cannot change that fact. you can go on with falsifying history, denying the truth, claiming to be the "illyrians" and so on...

but you cannot change the truth - you do not have the right to take what is not yours.

and that will haunt you some day in the future, since Serbia will prevail.

it´s just a question of time.

the sooner you understand that, the better it is for you in the first place.

but, believing in "good neighbourly connections" with Serbia, ...you must be stupid, if you really and in all seriousness believe to be in the position to face Serbia as an equal political entity.

you are a part of Serbia, a province.

time will come and then you will be forced to accept that.
times change, you know...

Dear Serbian neighbours (only some of you indeed), please stop being ridiculous for the sake of the good conversation people can make at B92. Any half competent legal practicioner would tell you that you should check the specific circumstances not only the deeds. It's easly like that.
(alb jew, 14 September 2010 12:32)

What?????

Dear Serbian neighbours (only some of you indeed), please stop being ridiculous for the sake of the good conversation people can make at B92. Any half competent legal practicioner would tell you that you should check the specific circumstances not only the deeds. It's easly like that.
(alb jew, 14 September 2010 12:32)


The Kosovo issue went to the ICJ for a judgement on the question of whether the declaration was legal and it ruled that that the act was not illegal, but fell short of giving the “green” light to independence. The west did not want to go as far as having the Court declare Kosovo independent. As the west currently has the numbers on the bench it could have done that very easily, but it would have opened a “Pandora’s Box”.

However, as the ICJ has ruled that the declaration was not illegal then this applies to all groups on this planet that wish to do the same. If the Albanians in Kosovo were oppressed as claimed, then why can’t other peoples suffering the same declare their independence?

That is why the ICJ decision is nonsense and it has lowered the dignity of that institution for a long time to come. Who is going to go to the ICJ for an impartial decision when it can be “rigged” in favour of one side regardless of past precedent.

when will those albanian dreamers like roberto and others understand that there is no "kosova", ...there is only temporarily occupied serbian territory.
you cannot change that fact. you can go on with falsifying history, denying the truth, claiming to be the "illyrians" and so on...

but you cannot change the truth - you do not have the right to take what is not yours.

and that will haunt you some day in the future, since Serbia will prevail.

it´s just a question of time.

the sooner you understand that, the better it is for you in the first place.

but, believing in "good neighbourly connections" with Serbia, ...you must be stupid, if you really and in all seriousness believe to be in the position to face Serbia as an equal political entity.

you are a part of Serbia, a province.

time will come and then you will be forced to accept that.
times change, you know...
(Jovan, 15 September 2010 14:23)

Your banjo really has only one string "Serbia will prevail"....whatever.

It reminds me that Iraqi high ranking army officer that was talking on TV how the Americans were being destroyed and they were loosing the war, while the american troops where at the doorsteps of Baghdad.

No one can predict the future, maybe in 500 yrs Serbia might get Kosovo back, and in another 500 yrs Albanians get it back once again... but for right now and in a near future say the next 100-200 yrs Kosovo will not be a part of Serbian state.... this is just some flashnews for you....

In a few years we will even build an army which will solidify the independence from Serbia.

So I think you better wake up from this dream and understand that there is no going back, at least not in the foreseeable future.

That is why the ICJ decision is nonsense and it has lowered the dignity of that institution for a long time to come. Who is going to go to the ICJ for an impartial decision when it can be “rigged” in favour of one side regardless of past precedent.
(sj, 15 September 2010 07:32)
A picture perfect synopsis one would expect from the losing team.