Clashes in K. Mitrovica after basketball match

A large group of Albanians crossed the bridge to celebrate Turkey’s victory over Serbia.
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How funny is it that Albanians celebrate the victory of another nation? Serbians are obviously top league sports people with recent high achievments in waterpolo, basketball and tennis. Some ethnic Albanians on the other hand are top league provocateurs.

Hahahaha,

I can just see Roberto's weeping at the loss of democracy here. The poor Albanian descendant people that had the right to demonstrate their love for Turkey basketball - peacefully walking a bridge into a Serb neighbourhood... Peacefully holding rocks...

But seriously, hopefully an even-minded Kosovo Albanian can answer this question. Why do you want to control Northern Mitrovica with its Serbian popuation?

I can understand you wanting your own country - and wanting to not having anything to do with a Serbian state, so why do you now want to make Serbian people's lives a misery there? I dont agree with your unilateral methodology so far, but lets leave that to one side...

I just cannot understand why you now want to lead 250,000 Serbian descendants. How do you expect its going to work?

As an Englishman living in Wales, me and my English mates got a lot of stick from the Welsh, chanting "GERMANY" etc after England was knocked out of the World Cup by our rivals Germany; however we didn't feel the need to start throwing stones at the Welsh.

I think it was very immature of the Kosovo-Albanians to celebrate Serbia's loss, however I think it was also very immature of the Kosovo-Serbs to respond in such away. If people in Kosovska Mitrovica behaved more maturely, it could be a more stable and peaceful city.

"How funny is it that Albanians celebrate the victory of another nation? Serbians are obviously top league sports people with recent high achievments in waterpolo, basketball and tennis. Some ethnic Albanians on the other hand are top league provocateurs."
(Zoran, 12 September 2010 12:03)

It's understandable: They won't be able to celebrate a victory of a "Kosovo waterpolo team" (or any other field of sports) in the near future. Similar funny is the observation that the proud "indipindint" Kosovarians often celebrate waving Albanian flags - very independent, isn't it?

Ian it is immature but its much more dangerous than the personal example you mentioned in England.

There was conflict and is an ongoing political struggle about Kosovo's future.

The irony is that this activity by those particular Kosovo Albanians confirms some kind of political / geographical division between Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo.

'Fair Play' died in this match, to anyone who watched the game, they know what I'm talking about. The officiating was a disgrace, to say the least, and the refs gave the game to Turkey. If the last play was not a blatant foul on Turkey, then there is no such thing as a foul. You could see from an airplane that it was a foul. As for the Turkish coach, Bogdan Tanjevic, how he is not ashamed of the stunt he pulled is beyond me. The better team lost, but on neutral territory Serbia would have beat them by 15 points.
As for albanians cheering for Turks, well nothing ever changes does it??

A large group of Albanians crossed the bridge to celebrate Turkey’s victory over Serbia.
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Why the need to rub it in? Albanians went there looking for trouble and found it.

Ian UK, are you still defending the Albanians who so obviously went looking for trouble? Sure you say they shouldnt've but in the same sentence you blame the Serbs for responding.
Tell me, if it was Serbs who went across the bridge over to the Albanian side to rub in a loss of theirs would you still blame the Albanians for responding?
My guess is NO.

Shame on Albanians, celebreting someone else's victory just to make the Serbs mad. At least Serbs can play basketball very well, so much for dialogue and reconciliation. Regards.

It must be because Albanians are some branch of Turks. Maybe Albania should become a province of Turkey. It would have been so sweet if Serbia had beaten Turkey (and then the US in the final). 1 point difference is as close as it can get and in basketball everything can chance within the last second. Turkey against the US may become an ugly game and I wonder who the Kosovo Albanians will support. "Kosova" will never taste the feeling of pride when a national sports team does well unless they cheer for Albania or Turkey.

Ian UK,

You are right - if people in the southern part of Kosovska Mitrovica behaved more maturely and rationally - it would be more stable and safer for both separated parties.

How pathetic! How about if the albanians supported their own athletes for ones. Then again albanians suck at sports so there would be no one to support.

Seems to me that it is important for many Kosovo Albanians to provoke Serbs.

This is an indicator that they have nothing constructive to do.

Look,
- NATO presented an "own" "territory" to the Kosovo Albanians,
- and the EU presented an "own" "administration and legal system" to them,
- and the representatives of the western countries in the ICJ presented a favorable judgement to them,
- and the Kosovo Albanians still live from the alms provided by EU and others to them.

Instead of using this advantageous situation for creating something "positive",
they have achieved nothing positive by their own strength.

Some K. Albanians can only
- provoke Serbs,
- kill Serbs and Roma,
- expel Serbs and Roma,
- destroy the property of Serbs and Roma,
- burn Serb Orthodox churches
(and urinate in them),
- make tirades of hate on Serbs (see many comments in B92),
- export heroin to other countries,
- export other crimes to other countries,
- etc.

But they achieved nothing positive by their own strength.

And the outlook is that the Kosovo Albanians will achieve nothing positive by their own strength.

But Serbia will, without having to recognize "Kosova",
join the EU.

And if "Kosova" will then request for EU membership, Serbia can negotiate about status from a position of strentgh.

Serb should not have thrown rocks on them but shot them...what in the heck they were trying to do? and why they would be chanting for Turkey for? just a bunch of morons, I guarantee that a sane minded Albanian wouldn't do such thing.

Ian,

I agree in the stupidity of this but please don't try and compare England and Wales to anything in the Balkan region.

The retaliation was to be expected when the majority of Serbs live in fear in their own homes. After 30 years of similar actions by Albanians you should not expect anything else.

Remember it is only recently that England managed to stem endemic violence in English football.

Regards

DJ

Good Luck Nole in the Final

This small result just shows that there is no peace in Kosovo, it works in Serbia's favor. 500 albanians vs 50 Serbs from North , and the albanians still ran back. A country of 7 million people called Serbia has its fingers in every sport from tennis to basketball something that albanins will always be jealous off.

Greetings from New York

@Colin,

As a Kosovo Albanian I will try to answer your question about why Albanians want the North.

It all relates to the territorial integrity of Kosovo upon which Kosovo declared its independence.

However, I personally view this issue slightly differently. In my view, what Belgrade authorities mean to Kosovo, Prishtina authorities mean to North Kosovo.

I might be loathed for what I say, but surely the same calculation should apply to the North.

If 2 million Albanians loathe Belgrade's regime and can choose secession as an option - then 250,000 (though not sure about this figure) should have the same treatment.

I think North Kosovo will always be a hot-spot and I personally believe that its integration to Kosovo proper will be highly improbable.

This is why I believe territorial exchange should be part of the negotiations between the parties.

On the flip side, one should not forget the domino effect this might have all acorss Balkans.

Kosovo's case is sui generis, but North Kosovo in my view sets a precedent to the rest of the region.

Something tells me if Serbia won, the K-Serbs of Mitrovica would have just gotten drunk on rakija and Jelen instead of trying to provoke the Albanians in Southern Mitrovica.

It's just ridiculous.
People dies over hunger, and they fight over a freak ball

@Ian UK,

How can you possibly compare the Welsh taking the mickey out of England with the present situation?!

@ dht:

Some K. Albanians can only
- provoke Serbs,
- kill Serbs and Roma,
- expel Serbs and Roma,
- destroy the property of Serbs and Roma,
- burn Serb Orthodox churches
(and urinate in them),
- make tirades of hate on Serbs (see many comments in B92),
- export heroin to other countries,
- export other crimes to other countries,
- etc.
----------

And the same mirror image applies to Serbs and their actions in 1990s in Kosovo and Bosnia.

Why do you try to portray the Serbs as the only victim? Because this is a fundamental problem of most Serbs due to propaganda being planted in them for decades!

At least we're there or thereabouts. Can't say the same for Wales though. Not bad for a little ol' country like Serbia.

Ian UK, are you still defending the Albanians who so obviously went looking for trouble? Sure you say they shouldnt've but in the same sentence you blame the Serbs for responding.
Tell me, if it was Serbs who went across the bridge over to the Albanian side to rub in a loss of theirs would you still blame the Albanians for responding?
My guess is NO.
(Peggy, 12 September 2010 15:53)

If Albanians in their own country were looking for trouble, then what a heck was going on in Sandzak(Serbia)with all that celebration going on with Turkish flags being waved all over??? I am suprised that news has not been reported, but I have seen live footage how Bosniaks were celebrating Serbian defeat. WHY no Serb took any action?

"It must be because Albanians are some branch of Turks. Maybe Albania should become a province of Turkey".

Milan,

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. Maybe Turkey should become a province of Albania?

More seriously, of course it was beyond the KPS to police their own people or be prepared (s if). Violence? Sport? Balkans? Unheard of! Never!

I see some people are more preoccupied with Kosovar citizens celebrating Turkey's vicotyr than Serbia's citizens in Sandzak celebrating Turkey's victory.
I wonder if any Serbs in Sandzak threw stones at the Moslems celebrating there?
(Zoti, 14 September 2010 01:18)

You are comparing apples and oranges. Novi Pazar is not a divided city, nor is a post-conflict city. In this case, both sides have some blame to share because it does take two to tango. That said, it was a clear provocation by the Albanians intended to provoke violent retaliation.

It is interesting that a Serbian civilian and a EULEX officer were shot by someone from the Albanian side... and following this there has not been much media reporting or condemnation. Had it been an Albanian civilian and EULEX officer shot by Serbs, it would be considered World War III. Interesting disparity, no?

The North will not be integrated into neither Kosovo nor Serbia as long as corrupt people of both sides use it as a buffer zone with no police to meet and cooperate for their smuggling affairs (oil, cigarettes, humans, drugs, etc etc).
Even if there was the political will, the other problem is that no side can really intervene in full force there, because the other side would start shouting. That's a no man's land.

It was not very smart to go and cheer the loss of Serbia in the Serbian side of the city.

Finally, even though many comments from Serbs here are wrong, I am cheering for Djokovic against Nadal. He played a good game against Federer. He needs to eat more though, he is too skinny. Gossip: I heard he is dating Wosniacki.

The retaliation was to be expected when the majority of Serbs live in fear in their own homes. After 30 years of similar actions by Albanians you should not expect anything else.

Remember it is only recently that England managed to stem endemic violence in English football.

Regards

DJ

Good Luck Nole in the Final
(Mr. David J. Jones, 12 September 2010 14:22)
We hear day in and day out how the Serbs control the north, Albanians are not welcome there, KPS cannot control the north, Serbs prevent the Albanians from crossing the bridge.
Then you justify the retaliation because the Serbs live in fear in their own home.
Sounds a lot like creating justification for actions to me.

It is interesting that a Serbian civilian and a EULEX officer were shot by someone from the Albanian side... and following this there has not been much media reporting or condemnation. Had it been an Albanian civilian and EULEX officer shot by Serbs, it would be considered World War III. Interesting disparity, no?
(Jason, 14 September 2010 10:16)

Honestly Jason, I don't think anyone in their right mind can justify this stupid act. And I do think it was just stupid...not necesarily malevolent in intent, just utterly beer fueled stupidity.

@ "Chesney"


1. "Chesney" wrote:

"And the same mirror image applies to Serbs and their actions in 1990s in Kosovo and Bosnia.

Why do you try to portray the Serbs as the only victim? Because this is a fundamental problem of most Serbs due to propaganda being planted in them for decades!
(Chesney, 12 September 2010 19:23)"


2. dht:

Frist of all, I am no Serbian citizen.

"Chesney", I am sorry, but you are telling nonsense.

You are mixing up the "Bosnia"-case with the "Kosovo"-case.

In the "Bosnia"-case, sometimes, evil crimes were commited by certain Serbian individuals,

however, the Serbs as people are not responsible for these crimes.

So do not blame the Serbian people for such crimes !

In the "Kosovo"-case such crimes did not occur.
KLA lied for achieving NATO´s intervention.

In the "Kosovo"-case such crimes did not occur.

KLA lied for achieving NATO´s intervention
(dht, 13 September 2010 16:34)


Not sure my wife would agree. She and her entire family were forced out of there apartment building along with all other K-Alb occupants by armed MUP where they were transported to the boder and had all there documents taken. They had to bribe border guards to cross late at night so they could go to a camp. When it comes to Kosovo, no one's hands are clean.

@"Chesney"


1. "Chesney" wrote:

"So, you are saying that 45 people massacred in Racak were a lie of KLA to gain intervention?"


2. dht´s reply:

There is no proof that the Račak-incident was a massacre.

In any event, the Račak-incident cannot be compared with the incidents which happened in Bosnia, NOT AT ALL.

There was no justification for the NATO-intervention.


3. "Chesney" wrote:

"And NATO was so gullible to believe some "liars" and intervene! That simple hey?"


4. dht´s reply:

NATO WILLINGLY believed these lies.


5. "Chesney" wrote:

"How can you pretend the crimes in Kosovo in 1997-99 never happened?"


6. dht´s reply:

Which crimes ???

The Serbian state protected itself against illegal secession and terrorist acts.

That´s what happened!

If you want to blame the Serbian state then you have to blame the U.S.A. for its actions in Afghanistan and Iraq EVEN MORE !

But Serbia will, without having to recognize "Kosova",
join the EU.

And if "Kosova" will then request for EU membership, Serbia can negotiate about status from a position of strentgh.
(dht, 12 September 2010 12:55)
Must be part of a comedy routine you are taking on the road, No one with any intelligence believes such a statement.

@dht

"In the "Kosovo"-case such crimes did not occur.
KLA lied for achieving NATO´s intervention."

So, you are saying that 45 people massacred in Racak were a lie of KLA to gain intervention?

And NATO was so gullible to believe some "liars" and intervene! That simple hey?

I think your claim requires serious reconsideration.

How can you pretend the crimes in Kosovo in 1997-99 never happened?

I see some people are more preoccupied with Kosovar citizens celebrating Turkey's vicotyr than Serbia's citizens in Sandzak celebrating Turkey's victory.
I wonder if any Serbs in Sandzak threw stones at the Moslems celebrating there?

Jason: "You are comparing apples and oranges. Novi Pazar is not a divided city, nor is a post-conflict city."

Honestly I don't keep up with what's going on in Sandzak but it seems to me like it might be the next conflict brewing in Serbia. There's a reason why there's a "Tensions in Sandžak " section in B92 right below "Kosovo status".

Honestly Jason, I don't think anyone in their right mind can justify this stupid act. And I do think it was just stupid...not necesarily malevolent in intent, just utterly beer fueled stupidity.
(JohnnyC, 14 September 2010 13:39)

Yes, agreed. Classic case of drunken hooliganism.

Zoti, I don't think Sandzak is similar at all though I have not spent any time there. People thought Presevo was the next Kosovo conflict but that was squashed by Serbia with the approval of the international community. I think Sandzak is even less volatile, it would seem anyway.

I think Jason is right.

And Tadić will not protect the Serbs.

Now, where Tadić has betrayed them, where the West is against them, and where some K.Albanians intend to enslave them, there is no reason left over for the Serbs in Kosovo to abstain from declaring independence by themselves,
and to protect themselves.

1. doodah:

"But Serbia will, without having to recognize "Kosova",
join the EU.

And if "Kosova" will then request for EU membership, Serbia can negotiate about status from a position of strentgh.
(dht, 12 September 2010 12:55)
Must be part of a comedy routine you are taking on the road, No one with any intelligence believes such a statement.
(doodah, 13 September 2010 17:28) "


2. dht´s reply:

We will see !

At least three points are clear:

1. Serbia will not recognize "Kosova" (see the Serbian Constitution).

2. Serbia will join the EU before "Kosova", whether it has recognized "Kosova", or not (recognition of "Kosova" is no requirement for joining the EU).

3. If "Kosova" applies for EU membership, Serbia has the right to deny such accession (this right of Serbia is guaranteed by the EU Treaty).

Tadić committed a betrayal:

With the change of the resolution he send the implied message to the K.Albanians,
"if you are attacking the Serbs in Kosovo, I, the Serbian president, will NOT help my people" !

And the Kosovo Serbs face
the consequences of such FATAL betrayal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n03_rImSLho&feature=player_embedded#!
(this is the video about the incident - the automatic rifle fire starts at second 35)

As an Englishman living in Wales, me and my English mates got a lot of stick from the Welsh, chanting "GERMANY" etc after England was knocked out of the World Cup by our rivals Germany; however we didn't feel the need to start throwing stones at the Welsh.

I think it was very immature of the Kosovo-Albanians to celebrate Serbia's loss, however I think it was also very immature of the Kosovo-Serbs to respond in such away. If people in Kosovska Mitrovica behaved more maturely, it could be a more stable and peaceful city.

A large group of Albanians crossed the bridge to celebrate Turkey’s victory over Serbia.
--
How funny is it that Albanians celebrate the victory of another nation? Serbians are obviously top league sports people with recent high achievments in waterpolo, basketball and tennis. Some ethnic Albanians on the other hand are top league provocateurs.

Seems to me that it is important for many Kosovo Albanians to provoke Serbs.

This is an indicator that they have nothing constructive to do.

Look,
- NATO presented an "own" "territory" to the Kosovo Albanians,
- and the EU presented an "own" "administration and legal system" to them,
- and the representatives of the western countries in the ICJ presented a favorable judgement to them,
- and the Kosovo Albanians still live from the alms provided by EU and others to them.

Instead of using this advantageous situation for creating something "positive",
they have achieved nothing positive by their own strength.

Some K. Albanians can only
- provoke Serbs,
- kill Serbs and Roma,
- expel Serbs and Roma,
- destroy the property of Serbs and Roma,
- burn Serb Orthodox churches
(and urinate in them),
- make tirades of hate on Serbs (see many comments in B92),
- export heroin to other countries,
- export other crimes to other countries,
- etc.

But they achieved nothing positive by their own strength.

And the outlook is that the Kosovo Albanians will achieve nothing positive by their own strength.

But Serbia will, without having to recognize "Kosova",
join the EU.

And if "Kosova" will then request for EU membership, Serbia can negotiate about status from a position of strentgh.

@Colin,

As a Kosovo Albanian I will try to answer your question about why Albanians want the North.

It all relates to the territorial integrity of Kosovo upon which Kosovo declared its independence.

However, I personally view this issue slightly differently. In my view, what Belgrade authorities mean to Kosovo, Prishtina authorities mean to North Kosovo.

I might be loathed for what I say, but surely the same calculation should apply to the North.

If 2 million Albanians loathe Belgrade's regime and can choose secession as an option - then 250,000 (though not sure about this figure) should have the same treatment.

I think North Kosovo will always be a hot-spot and I personally believe that its integration to Kosovo proper will be highly improbable.

This is why I believe territorial exchange should be part of the negotiations between the parties.

On the flip side, one should not forget the domino effect this might have all acorss Balkans.

Kosovo's case is sui generis, but North Kosovo in my view sets a precedent to the rest of the region.

It must be because Albanians are some branch of Turks. Maybe Albania should become a province of Turkey. It would have been so sweet if Serbia had beaten Turkey (and then the US in the final). 1 point difference is as close as it can get and in basketball everything can chance within the last second. Turkey against the US may become an ugly game and I wonder who the Kosovo Albanians will support. "Kosova" will never taste the feeling of pride when a national sports team does well unless they cheer for Albania or Turkey.

Hahahaha,

I can just see Roberto's weeping at the loss of democracy here. The poor Albanian descendant people that had the right to demonstrate their love for Turkey basketball - peacefully walking a bridge into a Serb neighbourhood... Peacefully holding rocks...

But seriously, hopefully an even-minded Kosovo Albanian can answer this question. Why do you want to control Northern Mitrovica with its Serbian popuation?

I can understand you wanting your own country - and wanting to not having anything to do with a Serbian state, so why do you now want to make Serbian people's lives a misery there? I dont agree with your unilateral methodology so far, but lets leave that to one side...

I just cannot understand why you now want to lead 250,000 Serbian descendants. How do you expect its going to work?

@ dht:

Some K. Albanians can only
- provoke Serbs,
- kill Serbs and Roma,
- expel Serbs and Roma,
- destroy the property of Serbs and Roma,
- burn Serb Orthodox churches
(and urinate in them),
- make tirades of hate on Serbs (see many comments in B92),
- export heroin to other countries,
- export other crimes to other countries,
- etc.
----------

And the same mirror image applies to Serbs and their actions in 1990s in Kosovo and Bosnia.

Why do you try to portray the Serbs as the only victim? Because this is a fundamental problem of most Serbs due to propaganda being planted in them for decades!

A large group of Albanians crossed the bridge to celebrate Turkey’s victory over Serbia.
================

Why the need to rub it in? Albanians went there looking for trouble and found it.

Ian UK, are you still defending the Albanians who so obviously went looking for trouble? Sure you say they shouldnt've but in the same sentence you blame the Serbs for responding.
Tell me, if it was Serbs who went across the bridge over to the Albanian side to rub in a loss of theirs would you still blame the Albanians for responding?
My guess is NO.

Shame on Albanians, celebreting someone else's victory just to make the Serbs mad. At least Serbs can play basketball very well, so much for dialogue and reconciliation. Regards.

The retaliation was to be expected when the majority of Serbs live in fear in their own homes. After 30 years of similar actions by Albanians you should not expect anything else.

Remember it is only recently that England managed to stem endemic violence in English football.

Regards

DJ

Good Luck Nole in the Final
(Mr. David J. Jones, 12 September 2010 14:22)
We hear day in and day out how the Serbs control the north, Albanians are not welcome there, KPS cannot control the north, Serbs prevent the Albanians from crossing the bridge.
Then you justify the retaliation because the Serbs live in fear in their own home.
Sounds a lot like creating justification for actions to me.

This small result just shows that there is no peace in Kosovo, it works in Serbia's favor. 500 albanians vs 50 Serbs from North , and the albanians still ran back. A country of 7 million people called Serbia has its fingers in every sport from tennis to basketball something that albanins will always be jealous off.

Greetings from New York

Ian UK, are you still defending the Albanians who so obviously went looking for trouble? Sure you say they shouldnt've but in the same sentence you blame the Serbs for responding.
Tell me, if it was Serbs who went across the bridge over to the Albanian side to rub in a loss of theirs would you still blame the Albanians for responding?
My guess is NO.
(Peggy, 12 September 2010 15:53)

If Albanians in their own country were looking for trouble, then what a heck was going on in Sandzak(Serbia)with all that celebration going on with Turkish flags being waved all over??? I am suprised that news has not been reported, but I have seen live footage how Bosniaks were celebrating Serbian defeat. WHY no Serb took any action?

'Fair Play' died in this match, to anyone who watched the game, they know what I'm talking about. The officiating was a disgrace, to say the least, and the refs gave the game to Turkey. If the last play was not a blatant foul on Turkey, then there is no such thing as a foul. You could see from an airplane that it was a foul. As for the Turkish coach, Bogdan Tanjevic, how he is not ashamed of the stunt he pulled is beyond me. The better team lost, but on neutral territory Serbia would have beat them by 15 points.
As for albanians cheering for Turks, well nothing ever changes does it??

How pathetic! How about if the albanians supported their own athletes for ones. Then again albanians suck at sports so there would be no one to support.

Serb should not have thrown rocks on them but shot them...what in the heck they were trying to do? and why they would be chanting for Turkey for? just a bunch of morons, I guarantee that a sane minded Albanian wouldn't do such thing.

@Ian UK,

How can you possibly compare the Welsh taking the mickey out of England with the present situation?!

"How funny is it that Albanians celebrate the victory of another nation? Serbians are obviously top league sports people with recent high achievments in waterpolo, basketball and tennis. Some ethnic Albanians on the other hand are top league provocateurs."
(Zoran, 12 September 2010 12:03)

It's understandable: They won't be able to celebrate a victory of a "Kosovo waterpolo team" (or any other field of sports) in the near future. Similar funny is the observation that the proud "indipindint" Kosovarians often celebrate waving Albanian flags - very independent, isn't it?

Ian it is immature but its much more dangerous than the personal example you mentioned in England.

There was conflict and is an ongoing political struggle about Kosovo's future.

The irony is that this activity by those particular Kosovo Albanians confirms some kind of political / geographical division between Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo.

Ian,

I agree in the stupidity of this but please don't try and compare England and Wales to anything in the Balkan region.

The retaliation was to be expected when the majority of Serbs live in fear in their own homes. After 30 years of similar actions by Albanians you should not expect anything else.

Remember it is only recently that England managed to stem endemic violence in English football.

Regards

DJ

Good Luck Nole in the Final

Ian UK,

You are right - if people in the southern part of Kosovska Mitrovica behaved more maturely and rationally - it would be more stable and safer for both separated parties.

It's just ridiculous.
People dies over hunger, and they fight over a freak ball

I see some people are more preoccupied with Kosovar citizens celebrating Turkey's vicotyr than Serbia's citizens in Sandzak celebrating Turkey's victory.
I wonder if any Serbs in Sandzak threw stones at the Moslems celebrating there?

Something tells me if Serbia won, the K-Serbs of Mitrovica would have just gotten drunk on rakija and Jelen instead of trying to provoke the Albanians in Southern Mitrovica.

At least we're there or thereabouts. Can't say the same for Wales though. Not bad for a little ol' country like Serbia.

@dht

"In the "Kosovo"-case such crimes did not occur.
KLA lied for achieving NATO´s intervention."

So, you are saying that 45 people massacred in Racak were a lie of KLA to gain intervention?

And NATO was so gullible to believe some "liars" and intervene! That simple hey?

I think your claim requires serious reconsideration.

How can you pretend the crimes in Kosovo in 1997-99 never happened?

Jason: "You are comparing apples and oranges. Novi Pazar is not a divided city, nor is a post-conflict city."

Honestly I don't keep up with what's going on in Sandzak but it seems to me like it might be the next conflict brewing in Serbia. There's a reason why there's a "Tensions in Sandžak " section in B92 right below "Kosovo status".

But Serbia will, without having to recognize "Kosova",
join the EU.

And if "Kosova" will then request for EU membership, Serbia can negotiate about status from a position of strentgh.
(dht, 12 September 2010 12:55)
Must be part of a comedy routine you are taking on the road, No one with any intelligence believes such a statement.

@ "Chesney"


1. "Chesney" wrote:

"And the same mirror image applies to Serbs and their actions in 1990s in Kosovo and Bosnia.

Why do you try to portray the Serbs as the only victim? Because this is a fundamental problem of most Serbs due to propaganda being planted in them for decades!
(Chesney, 12 September 2010 19:23)"


2. dht:

Frist of all, I am no Serbian citizen.

"Chesney", I am sorry, but you are telling nonsense.

You are mixing up the "Bosnia"-case with the "Kosovo"-case.

In the "Bosnia"-case, sometimes, evil crimes were commited by certain Serbian individuals,

however, the Serbs as people are not responsible for these crimes.

So do not blame the Serbian people for such crimes !

In the "Kosovo"-case such crimes did not occur.
KLA lied for achieving NATO´s intervention.

In the "Kosovo"-case such crimes did not occur.

KLA lied for achieving NATO´s intervention
(dht, 13 September 2010 16:34)


Not sure my wife would agree. She and her entire family were forced out of there apartment building along with all other K-Alb occupants by armed MUP where they were transported to the boder and had all there documents taken. They had to bribe border guards to cross late at night so they could go to a camp. When it comes to Kosovo, no one's hands are clean.

@"Chesney"


1. "Chesney" wrote:

"So, you are saying that 45 people massacred in Racak were a lie of KLA to gain intervention?"


2. dht´s reply:

There is no proof that the Račak-incident was a massacre.

In any event, the Račak-incident cannot be compared with the incidents which happened in Bosnia, NOT AT ALL.

There was no justification for the NATO-intervention.


3. "Chesney" wrote:

"And NATO was so gullible to believe some "liars" and intervene! That simple hey?"


4. dht´s reply:

NATO WILLINGLY believed these lies.


5. "Chesney" wrote:

"How can you pretend the crimes in Kosovo in 1997-99 never happened?"


6. dht´s reply:

Which crimes ???

The Serbian state protected itself against illegal secession and terrorist acts.

That´s what happened!

If you want to blame the Serbian state then you have to blame the U.S.A. for its actions in Afghanistan and Iraq EVEN MORE !

The North will not be integrated into neither Kosovo nor Serbia as long as corrupt people of both sides use it as a buffer zone with no police to meet and cooperate for their smuggling affairs (oil, cigarettes, humans, drugs, etc etc).
Even if there was the political will, the other problem is that no side can really intervene in full force there, because the other side would start shouting. That's a no man's land.

It was not very smart to go and cheer the loss of Serbia in the Serbian side of the city.

Finally, even though many comments from Serbs here are wrong, I am cheering for Djokovic against Nadal. He played a good game against Federer. He needs to eat more though, he is too skinny. Gossip: I heard he is dating Wosniacki.

I see some people are more preoccupied with Kosovar citizens celebrating Turkey's vicotyr than Serbia's citizens in Sandzak celebrating Turkey's victory.
I wonder if any Serbs in Sandzak threw stones at the Moslems celebrating there?
(Zoti, 14 September 2010 01:18)

You are comparing apples and oranges. Novi Pazar is not a divided city, nor is a post-conflict city. In this case, both sides have some blame to share because it does take two to tango. That said, it was a clear provocation by the Albanians intended to provoke violent retaliation.

It is interesting that a Serbian civilian and a EULEX officer were shot by someone from the Albanian side... and following this there has not been much media reporting or condemnation. Had it been an Albanian civilian and EULEX officer shot by Serbs, it would be considered World War III. Interesting disparity, no?

Honestly Jason, I don't think anyone in their right mind can justify this stupid act. And I do think it was just stupid...not necesarily malevolent in intent, just utterly beer fueled stupidity.
(JohnnyC, 14 September 2010 13:39)

Yes, agreed. Classic case of drunken hooliganism.

Zoti, I don't think Sandzak is similar at all though I have not spent any time there. People thought Presevo was the next Kosovo conflict but that was squashed by Serbia with the approval of the international community. I think Sandzak is even less volatile, it would seem anyway.

"It must be because Albanians are some branch of Turks. Maybe Albania should become a province of Turkey".

Milan,

I think you've got the wrong end of the stick. Maybe Turkey should become a province of Albania?

More seriously, of course it was beyond the KPS to police their own people or be prepared (s if). Violence? Sport? Balkans? Unheard of! Never!

1. doodah:

"But Serbia will, without having to recognize "Kosova",
join the EU.

And if "Kosova" will then request for EU membership, Serbia can negotiate about status from a position of strentgh.
(dht, 12 September 2010 12:55)
Must be part of a comedy routine you are taking on the road, No one with any intelligence believes such a statement.
(doodah, 13 September 2010 17:28) "


2. dht´s reply:

We will see !

At least three points are clear:

1. Serbia will not recognize "Kosova" (see the Serbian Constitution).

2. Serbia will join the EU before "Kosova", whether it has recognized "Kosova", or not (recognition of "Kosova" is no requirement for joining the EU).

3. If "Kosova" applies for EU membership, Serbia has the right to deny such accession (this right of Serbia is guaranteed by the EU Treaty).

I think Jason is right.

And Tadić will not protect the Serbs.

Now, where Tadić has betrayed them, where the West is against them, and where some K.Albanians intend to enslave them, there is no reason left over for the Serbs in Kosovo to abstain from declaring independence by themselves,
and to protect themselves.

It is interesting that a Serbian civilian and a EULEX officer were shot by someone from the Albanian side... and following this there has not been much media reporting or condemnation. Had it been an Albanian civilian and EULEX officer shot by Serbs, it would be considered World War III. Interesting disparity, no?
(Jason, 14 September 2010 10:16)

Honestly Jason, I don't think anyone in their right mind can justify this stupid act. And I do think it was just stupid...not necesarily malevolent in intent, just utterly beer fueled stupidity.

Tadić committed a betrayal:

With the change of the resolution he send the implied message to the K.Albanians,
"if you are attacking the Serbs in Kosovo, I, the Serbian president, will NOT help my people" !

And the Kosovo Serbs face
the consequences of such FATAL betrayal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n03_rImSLho&feature=player_embedded#!
(this is the video about the incident - the automatic rifle fire starts at second 35)