EU harmonizes position on Serbian resolution

EU is just not worth it.
(Peggy, 7 September 2010 23:13)

Says Peggy who has (most likely) never been in Serbia!

That just shows how much you know and how much you like to shoot your mouth off.
(Peggy, 8 September 2010 11:47)

Peggy, did that hit a nerve, or is this a usual Peggy arrogance surfacing?
To answer you question though, I know about Serbia much more than you could ever dream.

Peggy, if you ever stayed in Serbia (even for a day) your first comment would be simply “silly” boarding towards “childish”.
So Peggy I ask you, am I still shooting my mouth of.
And if not me then, who is doing that (mouth shooting) in this forum on daily bases?

but here you are pretending like you know everything.
(Peggy, 8 September 2010 15:40)

Well Peggy, not everything but definitely much more than you.
See Peggy, when Kosovo and Serbia are concerned….if you were Luke Skywalker I would be Yoda.
Peggy, the difference between my and your knowledge lies on the fact that yours is based on the theory (very biased) whereas mine is of a pure practical level.
You know it is completely different flying a simulator (You) to actually driving/flying the real thing (Me).

It's fun to watch the rats scurrying on their sinking ship. Now they use their last card, EU or Kosovo, hypocrite liars.

The EU and the West are really becoming pathetic. Leave the Serbian Resolution ALONE- and let the UNGA decide for itself whether Serbia deserves to protect it's own territory (UN Resolution 1244). Basically, having the EU "power-brokers" determine that Serbia must give up Kosovo-Metohija in order to justify EU membership makes the world even more frightening. What independent country would forsake 15% of it's territory because of what other countries wish??? The UN seems to be the last bastion of reason available to counteract the ambitions of some elitist nations. With all the other minorities within countries, when will borders actually be secure? Whose borders are safe??? Or is it simply "might against right"??? Serbia should defend it's own provinces, and not to worry about the "perceived utopia" of the EU- it's not there. Look at today's riots in France and the general economic malaise throughout Europe. Serbia is better off, even with their own problems, to keep their distance from the EU....while at the same time, persuing negotiations on the future of Kosovo. Time is on Serbia's side....even after 1389, Serbs never renounced Kosovo....nor will they now. So Europe, take care of your own internal problems....with no need to interfere in Kosovo- which was always a part of Serbia, since before most European countries were even born.

Do not change a word. EU is just not worth it.
(Peggy, 7 September 2010 23:13)

Actually, I agree. Let the resolution go as is and see what happens. It becomes meaningless to water it down. Let it go as the unaltered position of the Serbian Government. If it fails, it fails and ends there. If it succeeds, who knows. Just get it done. Personally I think in the current format it will fall on its face, but I've been wrong before.

Up till recently EU has always stated that recognition of Kosovo is not a condition to enter EU and now they are.
With these people how can you trust anything they say.
First they say no and now they say either or.

If Tadic takes their word for anything and changes the draft he does not deserve to be the president any longer.
Serbia has been lied to before, just like with EULEX and six points and now this.

Do not change a word. EU is just not worth it.

Rick, the medieval history will not help to solve the issue on hand today. What Kosovo was or was not 500 or 1000 or 10,000 years ago is irrelevant, except for academic purposes. Kosovo today in inhabitated by 2 M people, 90% of whom don't like Serbia. How do you integrate them ? That's the question to be solved.

Most of Europe and US determined that it is not possible. On the other hand Serbia has done nothing to suggest how it can integrate 1.9 million people who don't like it. It even approved a constitution declaring these people its subjects, but without asking for their vote, thus showing that it does not even care to integrate them.

Serbia's choice is NOT either EU membership or Kosovo.

Kosovo's fate has long ago already been decided by Serbia's actions towards Kosovo and it's people.

Kosovo's independence has already been confirmed and recognized by 70 countries to date as well as the International Court.

There will be many more countries to confirm Kosovo's independence and there are more recognitions to come.

Serbia's ONLY choice now is EU membership or non-membership.

If Serbia chooses non-membership then Serbia will also remain in financial and political turmoil for generations to come and will continue to blame others for the mess and predicament the past and present Serb leaders have put the Serbian people into.

It is now Serbia's choice, I suspect they will choose isolation. The Serb leaders will blame and point their finger at others.

The only Serbs to truly gain from this decision will be Mladic and Hadzic.



Danny

"Serbia is better off, even with their own problems, to keep their distance from the EU"
Rick

This is what I read from most Serbs. Why than this constant contradiction on the other hand to try to become a member? Could somebody explain it? Could it be that the statement "Serbia is better off without the EU" is not sincere?

EU harmonizes position on Serbian resolution

should be

EU papers over the cracks on Serbian resolution

The rest is 100% Brussels nonsense and and absolutely poor effort at saving face.

Going against the majority of the EU in this case means nothing unless it is put to a vote and it is not as if Serbia is being offered membership any time soon.

Serbia has all the time in the world. Washington, Brussels and Pristina don't. Wait and see.

I just read the new resolution Serbia has apparently agreed to, and it is basically a recognition of Kosovo's independence. Respect ICJ-check, No mention of status- check, "dialogue" controlled by the EU-check. Everything in the resolution is what Kosovo has asked for. Just surprised how Serbia was cajoled into accepting it. It's the end of Serbia's fight for Kosovo- period. Read it yourself if you don't believe it.

EU is just not worth it.
(Peggy, 7 September 2010 23:13)

Says Peggy who has (most likely) never been in Serbia!
(Gjergj Fishta, 8 September 2010 09:38
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That just shows how much you know and how much you like to shoot your mouth off.

Peggy, if you ever stayed in Serbia (even for a day) your first comment would be simply “silly” boarding towards “childish”.
So Peggy I ask you, am I still shooting my mouth of.
And if not me then, who is doing that (mouth shooting) in this forum on daily bases?
(Gjergj Fishta, 8 September 2010 13:05)
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But I have stayed in Serbia for a lot longer than a day. Again, you speak of something you know nothing about.
To answer your question about who is shooting his mouth off. The answer is still YOU.

You have no idea what I know about Serbia and how long I have spent there but here you are pretending like you know everything.
Let's just say I am deeply connected to Serbia. Make of it what you will.

I think this is a horrible deal for Kosovo and Serbia. It would have been a lot better if the original resolution had been voted. Now it appears that Serbia has accepted ICJ decision, but also Kosovo has accepted to have Serbs eternally protest in the north, Sabotage Albanian institutions, and have Belgrade somehow incorporated into Kosovo decision making all because of the EU, US. I would say, now is the time for Thachi and Sejdiu to propose a Partition and territorial exchange. The majority of Albanians is exactly what they want.

Everything in the resolution is what Kosovo has asked for.

Actually Kosovo never asked for but USA, UK, Germany and France as sponsors of that fake state. Kosovo is a protectorate.

Serbia won't recognize Kosovo! Tadić is politically dead after this move! I hope his party won't ever come in power again.

EU is just not worth it.
(Peggy, 7 September 2010 23:13)

Says Peggy who has (most likely) never been in Serbia!
(Gjergj Fishta, 8 September 2010 09:38
=================
That just shows how much you know and how much you like to shoot your mouth off.

It's fun to watch the rats scurrying on their sinking ship. Now they use their last card, EU or Kosovo, hypocrite liars.

The EU and the West are really becoming pathetic. Leave the Serbian Resolution ALONE- and let the UNGA decide for itself whether Serbia deserves to protect it's own territory (UN Resolution 1244). Basically, having the EU "power-brokers" determine that Serbia must give up Kosovo-Metohija in order to justify EU membership makes the world even more frightening. What independent country would forsake 15% of it's territory because of what other countries wish??? The UN seems to be the last bastion of reason available to counteract the ambitions of some elitist nations. With all the other minorities within countries, when will borders actually be secure? Whose borders are safe??? Or is it simply "might against right"??? Serbia should defend it's own provinces, and not to worry about the "perceived utopia" of the EU- it's not there. Look at today's riots in France and the general economic malaise throughout Europe. Serbia is better off, even with their own problems, to keep their distance from the EU....while at the same time, persuing negotiations on the future of Kosovo. Time is on Serbia's side....even after 1389, Serbs never renounced Kosovo....nor will they now. So Europe, take care of your own internal problems....with no need to interfere in Kosovo- which was always a part of Serbia, since before most European countries were even born.

Up till recently EU has always stated that recognition of Kosovo is not a condition to enter EU and now they are.
With these people how can you trust anything they say.
First they say no and now they say either or.

If Tadic takes their word for anything and changes the draft he does not deserve to be the president any longer.
Serbia has been lied to before, just like with EULEX and six points and now this.

Do not change a word. EU is just not worth it.

Peggy, if you ever stayed in Serbia (even for a day) your first comment would be simply “silly” boarding towards “childish”.
So Peggy I ask you, am I still shooting my mouth of.
And if not me then, who is doing that (mouth shooting) in this forum on daily bases?
(Gjergj Fishta, 8 September 2010 13:05)
------------------

But I have stayed in Serbia for a lot longer than a day. Again, you speak of something you know nothing about.
To answer your question about who is shooting his mouth off. The answer is still YOU.

You have no idea what I know about Serbia and how long I have spent there but here you are pretending like you know everything.
Let's just say I am deeply connected to Serbia. Make of it what you will.

EU harmonizes position on Serbian resolution

should be

EU papers over the cracks on Serbian resolution

The rest is 100% Brussels nonsense and and absolutely poor effort at saving face.

Going against the majority of the EU in this case means nothing unless it is put to a vote and it is not as if Serbia is being offered membership any time soon.

Serbia has all the time in the world. Washington, Brussels and Pristina don't. Wait and see.

EU is just not worth it.
(Peggy, 7 September 2010 23:13)

Says Peggy who has (most likely) never been in Serbia!

Rick, the medieval history will not help to solve the issue on hand today. What Kosovo was or was not 500 or 1000 or 10,000 years ago is irrelevant, except for academic purposes. Kosovo today in inhabitated by 2 M people, 90% of whom don't like Serbia. How do you integrate them ? That's the question to be solved.

Most of Europe and US determined that it is not possible. On the other hand Serbia has done nothing to suggest how it can integrate 1.9 million people who don't like it. It even approved a constitution declaring these people its subjects, but without asking for their vote, thus showing that it does not even care to integrate them.

"Serbia is better off, even with their own problems, to keep their distance from the EU"
Rick

This is what I read from most Serbs. Why than this constant contradiction on the other hand to try to become a member? Could somebody explain it? Could it be that the statement "Serbia is better off without the EU" is not sincere?

Serbia's choice is NOT either EU membership or Kosovo.

Kosovo's fate has long ago already been decided by Serbia's actions towards Kosovo and it's people.

Kosovo's independence has already been confirmed and recognized by 70 countries to date as well as the International Court.

There will be many more countries to confirm Kosovo's independence and there are more recognitions to come.

Serbia's ONLY choice now is EU membership or non-membership.

If Serbia chooses non-membership then Serbia will also remain in financial and political turmoil for generations to come and will continue to blame others for the mess and predicament the past and present Serb leaders have put the Serbian people into.

It is now Serbia's choice, I suspect they will choose isolation. The Serb leaders will blame and point their finger at others.

The only Serbs to truly gain from this decision will be Mladic and Hadzic.



Danny

Do not change a word. EU is just not worth it.
(Peggy, 7 September 2010 23:13)

Actually, I agree. Let the resolution go as is and see what happens. It becomes meaningless to water it down. Let it go as the unaltered position of the Serbian Government. If it fails, it fails and ends there. If it succeeds, who knows. Just get it done. Personally I think in the current format it will fall on its face, but I've been wrong before.

That just shows how much you know and how much you like to shoot your mouth off.
(Peggy, 8 September 2010 11:47)

Peggy, did that hit a nerve, or is this a usual Peggy arrogance surfacing?
To answer you question though, I know about Serbia much more than you could ever dream.

Peggy, if you ever stayed in Serbia (even for a day) your first comment would be simply “silly” boarding towards “childish”.
So Peggy I ask you, am I still shooting my mouth of.
And if not me then, who is doing that (mouth shooting) in this forum on daily bases?

Everything in the resolution is what Kosovo has asked for.

Actually Kosovo never asked for but USA, UK, Germany and France as sponsors of that fake state. Kosovo is a protectorate.

Serbia won't recognize Kosovo! Tadić is politically dead after this move! I hope his party won't ever come in power again.

but here you are pretending like you know everything.
(Peggy, 8 September 2010 15:40)

Well Peggy, not everything but definitely much more than you.
See Peggy, when Kosovo and Serbia are concerned….if you were Luke Skywalker I would be Yoda.
Peggy, the difference between my and your knowledge lies on the fact that yours is based on the theory (very biased) whereas mine is of a pure practical level.
You know it is completely different flying a simulator (You) to actually driving/flying the real thing (Me).

I just read the new resolution Serbia has apparently agreed to, and it is basically a recognition of Kosovo's independence. Respect ICJ-check, No mention of status- check, "dialogue" controlled by the EU-check. Everything in the resolution is what Kosovo has asked for. Just surprised how Serbia was cajoled into accepting it. It's the end of Serbia's fight for Kosovo- period. Read it yourself if you don't believe it.

I think this is a horrible deal for Kosovo and Serbia. It would have been a lot better if the original resolution had been voted. Now it appears that Serbia has accepted ICJ decision, but also Kosovo has accepted to have Serbs eternally protest in the north, Sabotage Albanian institutions, and have Belgrade somehow incorporated into Kosovo decision making all because of the EU, US. I would say, now is the time for Thachi and Sejdiu to propose a Partition and territorial exchange. The majority of Albanians is exactly what they want.