Analysts: President fears opposition’s reaction

30% of Serbians are NOT ethnic Serbs, so rest assured 90% of Serbs are behind KiM.

Serbia should consider awarding Pristina limited autonomy as under the terms of 1244 for an interim period (of say 20 years with the option to renew).

Kosovo is not going to be accepted as a country, but there is no reason why Serbia should not consider dealing with Pristina on the basis of awarded autonomy.

Pragmatically, the current situation in Kosovo is not going to reverse for many years (but never say never). Kosovo as a 'country' is a pretty meaningless concept - ethnically it may as well be part of Albania (given the large scale ethnic cleansing of Serbs and the relatively high birth rates of Albanians) while legally and historically it is part of Serbia. It will resolve one way or the other eventually.

Kosovo is to remain part of Serbia in the minds of most Serbs, so short of another bombing that will never change.

Politically, there is no chance of a change of status for Kosovo in the short to medium term, so the effects on the internal politics of Serbia is not based on any real promise that is likely to achieve anything in that direction.

However, the EU must accept that Serbia will not recognise Kosovo, and that it will in time want its land back. Serbia must stand by that thought too.

The idea that Serbia will give up Kosovo for the EU is something that should not be asked.

I read Tony Blair's bit about Kosovo. He could have done more to acknowledge the ethnic cleansing of Serbs that long predated Milosevic. The attitude of the countries supporting Kosovo is that they are still punishing Serbia. That has to stop - Serbia is able to govern Kosovo under international standards and should not be prevented from achieving that in the longer term future.

"If everyone can walk away from a country with Serbs, however Serbs are not allowed to be under one roof"
Nicolas

Just for your information: the Hungarians are not "under one roof" either, 1/3 of them live under 7 different roofs.

I'm glad this "analyst" withheld data to use it now in 2010. This survey was taken in 2009 people.

It's understandable to believe that Kosovo will not be atop of most important issues for Serbs. They live in a country that is poor and plagued by high levels of corruption. So it is understandable for everyday, practical problems to be ahead of the Kosovo issue.

Only thing Serbian citizens need to know is by somehow letting go of Kosovo.. none of these other problems that are more serious issues will be solved. So the only thing that will change is we will become smaller. Which is why there is no benefit in us backing down now.

To the Serbs who thought Kosovo will be independent no matter what I tell you this.. with help from the strongest most richest countries in the world.. this project has only managed to gain 1/3 of a worlds majority for support. Clearly this is not a done issue and it will only be done if we let it finish.

For now 'letting go' of the rest of Kosovo seems understandable. However N. Kosovo, Strpce and Gracanica should at never point be treated any different from Krusevac or Kraljevo. These are Serbian cities and we owe it to the Serbs there to protect them and treat it as such.

For everything else, the parliament should simply pass a law making all those lands outlawed territories who have only temporary institutions.

We need a new government in Belgrade because this one is ready to trade Kosovo off. Only problem is our citizens will be duped again because they will be recieving nothing in return. We can not fall for it and a true responsable government would still hold on to every Serb area of Kosovo while also pushing for Republika Srpska's independence. And to even take it another notch, support the area of Montenegro bordering Serbia that still consider themselves Serbs to become independent.

If everyone can walk away from a country with Serbs, however Serbs are not allowed to be under one roof.. then we need to finally see what is happening which is blatant rascism and start looking out for our own interests.

"70 percent of citizens think “that it is out of the question that Serbia gives up on Kosovo for membership in the EU“. "

well, I´d say that these numbers are not correct.

I do not know a single person who would tolerate such a betrayal.

it´s actually completely irrelevant who is in duty at the serbian top-state-positions, whoever dared to give up our southern province would risk more than only his political future.

Bob,


You write as if Kosovo is under control of Serbia and Serbia can decide what type of limitted autonomy Kosovo can be given. 1998/99 is long gone and the only way Serbia can save face is by trading few towns of South Serbia for the north of Kosovo.

Just for your information: the Hungarians are not "under one roof" either, 1/3 of them live under 7 different roofs.
(Joe, 6 September 2010 22:13)

yes Joe but Hungarians and Albanians have 2 things in common, 1) they are very uppity in some areas and 2) Jobbik and KLA/NLA want to live under their resepective one roofs.

However the Hungarian roof does have a tendency to leak quite alot.

Serbs for whom this issue is of paramount importance are either over 50 or don't live in Serbia.

Serbs who are angriest about this issue live in USA, Canada, Australia.

Message for these Serbs:

Serbia is a real place with real people and REAL problems. Serbia doesn't exist for the sole pleasure of entertaining your nostalgia and notions of romantic nationalism.

Serbia should either plan to get the place back - or it should not.

What is the point of a middle road?

At some time in the future Kosovo will fizzle one way or another.

The question is not whether Serbia could rule the territory 10+ years ago, but how it will recover the territory in 20+ years time.

Be sure that the question will remain open - EU or no EU.

Be sure too that at some time in the future the current Kosovo status will break down.

The question is how will Serbia get its hands back on the territory when it does.

Treating an occupied province as a country is silly, but that is what is currently being imposed. It will not be able to sustain as it is because its foundation is weak.

Bob,
Serbia is unable and unwilling to govern Kosovo. If that was possible then the West would have not supported Kosovo's independence. .

Jovan,
Apparently you don't see the difference between public speaking and private voting. The Serbs who feel otherwise are to wise not to say it loudly. Although some do, but your circle seems to be kind of one-dimensional.

Just for your information: the Hungarians are not "under one roof" either, 1/3 of them live under 7 different roofs.
(Joe, 6 September 2010 22:13)

-- That's right Joe. Albanians are not under one roof either. As a matter of fact the vast majority of ethnicities out there are not under one roof. Italians are not all under one roof. German's are not. Romanians are not. Greeks are not. You name it they are not under one roof. Get used to it that is the reality that everyone has been facing for decades if not for centuries. You're no special and you're not being punished. Just like the rest of the world isn't under one roof the Serbs aren't either.

"Just like the rest of the world isn't under one roof the Serbs aren't either.
(johny, 7 September 2010 04:48) "

Americans are under one roof :). So are Argentinians, Australians, Venezualans - nationality is geographical, not biological. And no group is automatically advantaged by having the name of the country somehow "belong" to it more than to any other group. Of course Croats don't want to be called Serbs, or Serbs, Albanians. So just rename the countries and half the problem with "minorities" will disappear. Serbia, with its forests could be Sylvania, for example. Or go back to the names of the Roman provinces (realizing they wouldn't match up exactly)... Kosovo may have the best, least problematical name in the entire Balkans.

Bob,


You write as if Kosovo is under control of Serbia and Serbia can decide what type of limitted autonomy Kosovo can be given. 1998/99 is long gone and the only way Serbia can save face is by trading few towns of South Serbia for the north of Kosovo.
(Albert, 6 September 2010 19:36)

I personaly think thats a good idea but the west does not. Trading those territories would set a precedent for, west macedonia, and RS to secede. Which by the way they have no reason to, for both RS and West Fyrom.

30% of Serbians are NOT ethnic Serbs, so rest assured 90% of Serbs are behind KiM.

Bob,


You write as if Kosovo is under control of Serbia and Serbia can decide what type of limitted autonomy Kosovo can be given. 1998/99 is long gone and the only way Serbia can save face is by trading few towns of South Serbia for the north of Kosovo.

Serbia should consider awarding Pristina limited autonomy as under the terms of 1244 for an interim period (of say 20 years with the option to renew).

Kosovo is not going to be accepted as a country, but there is no reason why Serbia should not consider dealing with Pristina on the basis of awarded autonomy.

Pragmatically, the current situation in Kosovo is not going to reverse for many years (but never say never). Kosovo as a 'country' is a pretty meaningless concept - ethnically it may as well be part of Albania (given the large scale ethnic cleansing of Serbs and the relatively high birth rates of Albanians) while legally and historically it is part of Serbia. It will resolve one way or the other eventually.

Kosovo is to remain part of Serbia in the minds of most Serbs, so short of another bombing that will never change.

Politically, there is no chance of a change of status for Kosovo in the short to medium term, so the effects on the internal politics of Serbia is not based on any real promise that is likely to achieve anything in that direction.

However, the EU must accept that Serbia will not recognise Kosovo, and that it will in time want its land back. Serbia must stand by that thought too.

The idea that Serbia will give up Kosovo for the EU is something that should not be asked.

I read Tony Blair's bit about Kosovo. He could have done more to acknowledge the ethnic cleansing of Serbs that long predated Milosevic. The attitude of the countries supporting Kosovo is that they are still punishing Serbia. That has to stop - Serbia is able to govern Kosovo under international standards and should not be prevented from achieving that in the longer term future.

It's understandable to believe that Kosovo will not be atop of most important issues for Serbs. They live in a country that is poor and plagued by high levels of corruption. So it is understandable for everyday, practical problems to be ahead of the Kosovo issue.

Only thing Serbian citizens need to know is by somehow letting go of Kosovo.. none of these other problems that are more serious issues will be solved. So the only thing that will change is we will become smaller. Which is why there is no benefit in us backing down now.

To the Serbs who thought Kosovo will be independent no matter what I tell you this.. with help from the strongest most richest countries in the world.. this project has only managed to gain 1/3 of a worlds majority for support. Clearly this is not a done issue and it will only be done if we let it finish.

For now 'letting go' of the rest of Kosovo seems understandable. However N. Kosovo, Strpce and Gracanica should at never point be treated any different from Krusevac or Kraljevo. These are Serbian cities and we owe it to the Serbs there to protect them and treat it as such.

For everything else, the parliament should simply pass a law making all those lands outlawed territories who have only temporary institutions.

We need a new government in Belgrade because this one is ready to trade Kosovo off. Only problem is our citizens will be duped again because they will be recieving nothing in return. We can not fall for it and a true responsable government would still hold on to every Serb area of Kosovo while also pushing for Republika Srpska's independence. And to even take it another notch, support the area of Montenegro bordering Serbia that still consider themselves Serbs to become independent.

If everyone can walk away from a country with Serbs, however Serbs are not allowed to be under one roof.. then we need to finally see what is happening which is blatant rascism and start looking out for our own interests.

I'm glad this "analyst" withheld data to use it now in 2010. This survey was taken in 2009 people.

"If everyone can walk away from a country with Serbs, however Serbs are not allowed to be under one roof"
Nicolas

Just for your information: the Hungarians are not "under one roof" either, 1/3 of them live under 7 different roofs.

"70 percent of citizens think “that it is out of the question that Serbia gives up on Kosovo for membership in the EU“. "

well, I´d say that these numbers are not correct.

I do not know a single person who would tolerate such a betrayal.

it´s actually completely irrelevant who is in duty at the serbian top-state-positions, whoever dared to give up our southern province would risk more than only his political future.

Serbs for whom this issue is of paramount importance are either over 50 or don't live in Serbia.

Serbs who are angriest about this issue live in USA, Canada, Australia.

Message for these Serbs:

Serbia is a real place with real people and REAL problems. Serbia doesn't exist for the sole pleasure of entertaining your nostalgia and notions of romantic nationalism.

"Just like the rest of the world isn't under one roof the Serbs aren't either.
(johny, 7 September 2010 04:48) "

Americans are under one roof :). So are Argentinians, Australians, Venezualans - nationality is geographical, not biological. And no group is automatically advantaged by having the name of the country somehow "belong" to it more than to any other group. Of course Croats don't want to be called Serbs, or Serbs, Albanians. So just rename the countries and half the problem with "minorities" will disappear. Serbia, with its forests could be Sylvania, for example. Or go back to the names of the Roman provinces (realizing they wouldn't match up exactly)... Kosovo may have the best, least problematical name in the entire Balkans.

Serbia should either plan to get the place back - or it should not.

What is the point of a middle road?

At some time in the future Kosovo will fizzle one way or another.

The question is not whether Serbia could rule the territory 10+ years ago, but how it will recover the territory in 20+ years time.

Be sure that the question will remain open - EU or no EU.

Be sure too that at some time in the future the current Kosovo status will break down.

The question is how will Serbia get its hands back on the territory when it does.

Treating an occupied province as a country is silly, but that is what is currently being imposed. It will not be able to sustain as it is because its foundation is weak.

Just for your information: the Hungarians are not "under one roof" either, 1/3 of them live under 7 different roofs.
(Joe, 6 September 2010 22:13)

yes Joe but Hungarians and Albanians have 2 things in common, 1) they are very uppity in some areas and 2) Jobbik and KLA/NLA want to live under their resepective one roofs.

However the Hungarian roof does have a tendency to leak quite alot.

Bob,
Serbia is unable and unwilling to govern Kosovo. If that was possible then the West would have not supported Kosovo's independence. .

Jovan,
Apparently you don't see the difference between public speaking and private voting. The Serbs who feel otherwise are to wise not to say it loudly. Although some do, but your circle seems to be kind of one-dimensional.

Bob,


You write as if Kosovo is under control of Serbia and Serbia can decide what type of limitted autonomy Kosovo can be given. 1998/99 is long gone and the only way Serbia can save face is by trading few towns of South Serbia for the north of Kosovo.
(Albert, 6 September 2010 19:36)

I personaly think thats a good idea but the west does not. Trading those territories would set a precedent for, west macedonia, and RS to secede. Which by the way they have no reason to, for both RS and West Fyrom.

Just for your information: the Hungarians are not "under one roof" either, 1/3 of them live under 7 different roofs.
(Joe, 6 September 2010 22:13)

-- That's right Joe. Albanians are not under one roof either. As a matter of fact the vast majority of ethnicities out there are not under one roof. Italians are not all under one roof. German's are not. Romanians are not. Greeks are not. You name it they are not under one roof. Get used to it that is the reality that everyone has been facing for decades if not for centuries. You're no special and you're not being punished. Just like the rest of the world isn't under one roof the Serbs aren't either.