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Spain is entitled to its opinion but JUST not to talk about international law. Its stance is purely about its own interest. It should NOT dare to impose its own selfish interest to the overwhelming majority of EU countries.
(EA, 4 September 2010 15:46)

Then how do you explain the stances of non aligned countries like Brazil, Argentina and South Africa to name but a few.

"Spain also reiterated that it remains firm on its stance that it would not recognize Kosovo’s unilateral independence proclamation."

Spain is entitled to its opinion but JUST not to talk about international law. Its stance is purely about its own interest. It should NOT dare to impose its own selfish interest to the overwhelming majority of EU countries.

1. RKS:

"Although the minority EU states that will not recognize, none of them have threatened to block Kosovo's path to membership.

I think Cyprus has the most anti-Kosovo stance, but even Cyprus hasn't come out publicly saying that it will veto/deny Kosovars membership.
(RKS, 4 September 2010 23:52)"


2. dht:

You really believe that "Kosova" could one day join the EU, or ?

"KOSOVA" IS THIRD WORLD !

(That´s all to say.)

EA - you are now parodying yourself! The EU and US cannot talk about international law; they are selfishly pursuing their own interests. How dare they seek to impose their views on the majority of the world!

Seriously, you, ben, johny, RKS, AdamNYC, etc. are all so lacking self awareness it defies belief.

EU is death for any country.What country has prospered by its acceptance into this farcical entity.However I know many countries that have taken a twirl down the toilet after acceptance(Portugal,Spain,Austria,Greece,Hungary to name but a few)
The person or government that sells Kosmet for EU membership should be tried for treason and accordingly punished.God bless Kosmet.

If all the EU countries come together, they have a truly great opportunity to reach a general consensus on what can be agreeable to Albanian seperatists and Serbians living there. If the Serbian side is asked to be flexible, then the Albanians surely need to be as well. If the EU is more or less divided and the will of the few that have not recognized Kosovo are ignored, then there is no need for Serbia to strive for Eurocracy.They will be treated by the big economies in more or less the same manner if they were to be accepted later on.Too bad for Serbia it seems they have a fight against a team that will never let them win.

Although the minority EU states that will not recognize, none of them have threatened to block Kosovo's path to membership.

I think Cyprus has the most anti-Kosovo stance, but even Cyprus hasn't come out publicly saying that it will veto/deny Kosovars membership.

"Then how do you explain the stances of non aligned countries like Brazil, Argentina and South Africa to name but a few."
(Niall O'Doherty, 4 September 2010 21:09)

Niall,

Be patient! So far 70 countries have recognised Kosovo independence some of the countries are the most powerful countries in the planet earth. Do you understand that? All that in two years. Kosovo has waited for decades to be freed from Serbia. What is two or more years wait Kosovo? It is nothing. The FACT is that Serbia has lost sovereignity/territorial integrity over Kosovo. I hope we agree on that. How can you immagine a return of Serbia sovereignity over Kosovo? Entertain us please!

"How dare they seek to impose their views on the majority of the world!"

Jim,

Wait few more days what the majority of the world has to say in the UN. Ah...think of an escape route for the expected defeat. Maybe changing the resolution which will make it useless but "will show Serbia's willingness for compromise"? Or another excuse could be "the imperialistic powers put pressure on the other countries to reject Serbia's draft resolution?". I will give you some more ideas in the near future or maybe you don't need because Serbia is the master of excuses/complaints.))

It should NOT dare to impose its own selfish interest to the overwhelming majority of EU countries.
(EA, 4 September 2010 15:46)
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DARE!!! Dare EA? Do you know anything else beside threats?

RKS - yes it does! There is no way that Cyprus will let Kosovo join the EU as this necessarily means recognizing it as a state. In case you didn't realise, the EU remains an association of sovereign states. Really, your comment is either wishful thinking or plain naïveté.

EA - we both know that in this context the number of votes in the GA is rather irrelevant. All sorts of other factors are shaping this vote. What matters for Kosovo are recognitions. To prove my point, would you prefer that Serbia lose this vote or Kosovo gets the formal acceptance and approval of these states. It really says a lot about the independence project when KAs start fixating on Serbia's supposed losses rather than own victories. You are as dependent on Serbia now as you were before the UDI and will remain so until someone in Pristina realizes that the only way out of this mess is through negotiations. Even the ICG is now calling for new talks with an open agenda (that means territory and status) - that says everything!

1. icj1:

"The only problem for Kosovo would be if Serbia was admitted to the EU before Kosovo, but that's very unlikely to happen."
...

dht:

... because "KOSOVA" will NEVER join the EU,

because "KOSOVA" IS THIRD WORLD.

STOP DREAMING !

RKS - yes it does! There is no way that Cyprus will let Kosovo join the EU as this necessarily means recognizing it as a state. In case you didn't realise, the EU remains an association of sovereign states. Really, your comment is either wishful thinking or plain naïveté.
(Jim, 5 September 2010 11:10)

That would not necessarily mean the Cyprus recognizes Kosovo as a country. There are easy legal solutions to that. Cyprus can attach a protocol to the Kosovo's admission treaty declaring that it's signature only means that the entity called Kosovo can become an EU member, but should not be intepreted as a recognition for Kosovo as a country.

For example when Greenland, an autonomous country within the Kingdom of Denmark, was admitted to the EU, it did not mean that the EU recognized it as an independent country. Greenland left the EU in 1985, but just to show that legal solutions which satisfy Cyprus are easily available.

The only problem for Kosovo would be if Serbia was admitted to the EU before Kosovo, but that's very unlikely to happen.

RKS - it is pointless discussing this with you. Believe what you want. You obviously do not understand how the EU works. Cyprus will not let Kosovo join. This is just too important for Nicosia to back down over. There are too many Turkish Cypriots, and sympathisers, calling on the Kosovo precedent (and is is a precedent) for the Greek Cypriots to allow Kosovo to be recognized by joining the EU. It will stand on the way of the rest of the EU, if needs be, on this.

Seriously, you are being naive if you think Kosovo has any chance whatsoever of joining the EU until its status is determined beyond any doubt - and that won't happen without a compromise agreement with Belgrade.

By the way, comparing China's membership in the UN with Kosovo potential membership of the EU rather shows how little you know on these matters. The two are completely different organisations with completely different membership requirements.

"EU is death for any country.What country has prospered by its acceptance into this farcical entity.

(Dragoslav, 4 September 2010 21:01) "

Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Slovkia, Poland all are doing well. The Baltic countries have been hurt by the economic downturn, but Estonia is doing well enough to be joining the euro zone soon. Bulgaria and Romania seem to be coming along...

How is my comment naive? I think you are being naive thinking 5 minority countries, that depend on the block if I might add, are going to go against 22 members.

Fact: to this date none of the 5 EU member states have publicly stated that they will forbid and deny Kosovo from becoming a EU member.

Also just because Kosovo would be admited it doesn't mean Cyprus (example) would recognize it. China is a member of the UN yet 21 of the members there do not recognize PRC.

dht:

... because "KOSOVA" will NEVER join the EU,

because "KOSOVA" IS THIRD WORLD.

STOP DREAMING !
(dht, 5 September 2010 23:41)
Someone in Serbia calling Kosovo "third world" is like a third grader calling a second grader "uneducated"!

... because "KOSOVA" will NEVER join the EU,

because "KOSOVA" IS THIRD WORLD.

STOP DREAMING !
(dht, 5 September 2010 23:41)

My apologies dht, I did not know you have the right to veto EU decisions.

I was going by what EU members/officials have been saying. But, apparently, I forgot that dht can veto EU decisions. My apologies again.

Just a curiosity though, since you are not immortal (I apologise again if I'm making an assumption here that you are not GOD), who is going to veto forever Kosovo's EU admission ?

As for Kosovo being third world, I'd say Serbia is much closer to the third world than Kosovo, considering that Jeremic spends most of his days in the third world.

"Spain also reiterated that it remains firm on its stance that it would not recognize Kosovo’s unilateral independence proclamation."

Spain is entitled to its opinion but JUST not to talk about international law. Its stance is purely about its own interest. It should NOT dare to impose its own selfish interest to the overwhelming majority of EU countries.

Although the minority EU states that will not recognize, none of them have threatened to block Kosovo's path to membership.

I think Cyprus has the most anti-Kosovo stance, but even Cyprus hasn't come out publicly saying that it will veto/deny Kosovars membership.

It should NOT dare to impose its own selfish interest to the overwhelming majority of EU countries.
(EA, 4 September 2010 15:46)
===================

DARE!!! Dare EA? Do you know anything else beside threats?

1. RKS:

"Although the minority EU states that will not recognize, none of them have threatened to block Kosovo's path to membership.

I think Cyprus has the most anti-Kosovo stance, but even Cyprus hasn't come out publicly saying that it will veto/deny Kosovars membership.
(RKS, 4 September 2010 23:52)"


2. dht:

You really believe that "Kosova" could one day join the EU, or ?

"KOSOVA" IS THIRD WORLD !

(That´s all to say.)

RKS - yes it does! There is no way that Cyprus will let Kosovo join the EU as this necessarily means recognizing it as a state. In case you didn't realise, the EU remains an association of sovereign states. Really, your comment is either wishful thinking or plain naïveté.

EA - you are now parodying yourself! The EU and US cannot talk about international law; they are selfishly pursuing their own interests. How dare they seek to impose their views on the majority of the world!

Seriously, you, ben, johny, RKS, AdamNYC, etc. are all so lacking self awareness it defies belief.

EU is death for any country.What country has prospered by its acceptance into this farcical entity.However I know many countries that have taken a twirl down the toilet after acceptance(Portugal,Spain,Austria,Greece,Hungary to name but a few)
The person or government that sells Kosmet for EU membership should be tried for treason and accordingly punished.God bless Kosmet.

Spain is entitled to its opinion but JUST not to talk about international law. Its stance is purely about its own interest. It should NOT dare to impose its own selfish interest to the overwhelming majority of EU countries.
(EA, 4 September 2010 15:46)

Then how do you explain the stances of non aligned countries like Brazil, Argentina and South Africa to name but a few.

"Then how do you explain the stances of non aligned countries like Brazil, Argentina and South Africa to name but a few."
(Niall O'Doherty, 4 September 2010 21:09)

Niall,

Be patient! So far 70 countries have recognised Kosovo independence some of the countries are the most powerful countries in the planet earth. Do you understand that? All that in two years. Kosovo has waited for decades to be freed from Serbia. What is two or more years wait Kosovo? It is nothing. The FACT is that Serbia has lost sovereignity/territorial integrity over Kosovo. I hope we agree on that. How can you immagine a return of Serbia sovereignity over Kosovo? Entertain us please!

1. icj1:

"The only problem for Kosovo would be if Serbia was admitted to the EU before Kosovo, but that's very unlikely to happen."
...

dht:

... because "KOSOVA" will NEVER join the EU,

because "KOSOVA" IS THIRD WORLD.

STOP DREAMING !

If all the EU countries come together, they have a truly great opportunity to reach a general consensus on what can be agreeable to Albanian seperatists and Serbians living there. If the Serbian side is asked to be flexible, then the Albanians surely need to be as well. If the EU is more or less divided and the will of the few that have not recognized Kosovo are ignored, then there is no need for Serbia to strive for Eurocracy.They will be treated by the big economies in more or less the same manner if they were to be accepted later on.Too bad for Serbia it seems they have a fight against a team that will never let them win.

"How dare they seek to impose their views on the majority of the world!"

Jim,

Wait few more days what the majority of the world has to say in the UN. Ah...think of an escape route for the expected defeat. Maybe changing the resolution which will make it useless but "will show Serbia's willingness for compromise"? Or another excuse could be "the imperialistic powers put pressure on the other countries to reject Serbia's draft resolution?". I will give you some more ideas in the near future or maybe you don't need because Serbia is the master of excuses/complaints.))

dht:

... because "KOSOVA" will NEVER join the EU,

because "KOSOVA" IS THIRD WORLD.

STOP DREAMING !
(dht, 5 September 2010 23:41)
Someone in Serbia calling Kosovo "third world" is like a third grader calling a second grader "uneducated"!

"EU is death for any country.What country has prospered by its acceptance into this farcical entity.

(Dragoslav, 4 September 2010 21:01) "

Slovenia, the Czech Republic, Slovkia, Poland all are doing well. The Baltic countries have been hurt by the economic downturn, but Estonia is doing well enough to be joining the euro zone soon. Bulgaria and Romania seem to be coming along...

How is my comment naive? I think you are being naive thinking 5 minority countries, that depend on the block if I might add, are going to go against 22 members.

Fact: to this date none of the 5 EU member states have publicly stated that they will forbid and deny Kosovo from becoming a EU member.

Also just because Kosovo would be admited it doesn't mean Cyprus (example) would recognize it. China is a member of the UN yet 21 of the members there do not recognize PRC.

RKS - yes it does! There is no way that Cyprus will let Kosovo join the EU as this necessarily means recognizing it as a state. In case you didn't realise, the EU remains an association of sovereign states. Really, your comment is either wishful thinking or plain naïveté.
(Jim, 5 September 2010 11:10)

That would not necessarily mean the Cyprus recognizes Kosovo as a country. There are easy legal solutions to that. Cyprus can attach a protocol to the Kosovo's admission treaty declaring that it's signature only means that the entity called Kosovo can become an EU member, but should not be intepreted as a recognition for Kosovo as a country.

For example when Greenland, an autonomous country within the Kingdom of Denmark, was admitted to the EU, it did not mean that the EU recognized it as an independent country. Greenland left the EU in 1985, but just to show that legal solutions which satisfy Cyprus are easily available.

The only problem for Kosovo would be if Serbia was admitted to the EU before Kosovo, but that's very unlikely to happen.

RKS - it is pointless discussing this with you. Believe what you want. You obviously do not understand how the EU works. Cyprus will not let Kosovo join. This is just too important for Nicosia to back down over. There are too many Turkish Cypriots, and sympathisers, calling on the Kosovo precedent (and is is a precedent) for the Greek Cypriots to allow Kosovo to be recognized by joining the EU. It will stand on the way of the rest of the EU, if needs be, on this.

Seriously, you are being naive if you think Kosovo has any chance whatsoever of joining the EU until its status is determined beyond any doubt - and that won't happen without a compromise agreement with Belgrade.

By the way, comparing China's membership in the UN with Kosovo potential membership of the EU rather shows how little you know on these matters. The two are completely different organisations with completely different membership requirements.

... because "KOSOVA" will NEVER join the EU,

because "KOSOVA" IS THIRD WORLD.

STOP DREAMING !
(dht, 5 September 2010 23:41)

My apologies dht, I did not know you have the right to veto EU decisions.

I was going by what EU members/officials have been saying. But, apparently, I forgot that dht can veto EU decisions. My apologies again.

Just a curiosity though, since you are not immortal (I apologise again if I'm making an assumption here that you are not GOD), who is going to veto forever Kosovo's EU admission ?

As for Kosovo being third world, I'd say Serbia is much closer to the third world than Kosovo, considering that Jeremic spends most of his days in the third world.

EA - we both know that in this context the number of votes in the GA is rather irrelevant. All sorts of other factors are shaping this vote. What matters for Kosovo are recognitions. To prove my point, would you prefer that Serbia lose this vote or Kosovo gets the formal acceptance and approval of these states. It really says a lot about the independence project when KAs start fixating on Serbia's supposed losses rather than own victories. You are as dependent on Serbia now as you were before the UDI and will remain so until someone in Pristina realizes that the only way out of this mess is through negotiations. Even the ICG is now calling for new talks with an open agenda (that means territory and status) - that says everything!