I can assure you, most Americans do not want to do anything with the political establishment. USB 3.0
Hi, Ataman. Please define "the political establishment." If you simply mean, all politicians and political institutions, well, you may be right. Most Americans, like most people everywhere, have their own lives to live and don't spend much time worrying about what their senators or representatives are up to. If you're talking about Rush's followers, there are an awful lot of dumb people out there. I am constantly amazed that democracy works as well as it does.
BTW, people who use terms like "political establishment" are hardly in the majority, at least here in the U.S.
(USB 3.0, 5 September 2010 18:29)
USB, how can you claim the govt of Kosovo was not legitimately elected. The elections in 2007 were organized by UNMIK the only organization that could legally call elections at that time(no Serbian called elections are legal under 1244). Because the people in the north chose not to participate does not give any rights to disavow the legitimacy of the election.
It would be similar to in the US if those who chose not to vote claimed that Obama was not President because they didn't vote. Makes no sense. To vote or not to vote was a free choice, it was encouraged by everyone but Serbia.
If you look throughout history those who lead the fight toward establishment of a new country, or new regime of old country are the initial new leaders. As time passes new leaders are established. To expect the people of Kosovo to choose otherwise would make no sense except to the opposition.
Finally just because you claim to like neither Russia nor the US, does not mean you are more openminded, just anti-establishment.
"Thaci is more harmful than good. His past (communist, part of terrorist organization, war crimes) and his present (crime lord) is one of the main obstacles myself and most of the Serbs I know refuse to recognize Kosovo."
-- That was a reading provided from Ataman of The Chronicles of Tadic.
Honduras' current government was democratically and legitimately elected unlike many of Serbia's allies.
(Ian, UK, 5 September 2010 13:50)
I don't care less. Serbia's government was democratically and legitimately elected. It is respected as legit government by every country in the world, even of disputed countries.
Kosovo's "government" was not legitimately elected - at least a significant part of Kosovo ( = the North ) disputes it.
That could be improved by Albanians:
1) make politics with people not involved with controversies like Thaci or Haradinaj
2) serving most selfish and violent goals of current American political establishment (not the country!) blindly does not make feel others good. These policies have nothing to do with Founding Fathers and in general with what made America a great country. It's the "ugly America" as many outsiders love to hate + it's a pet policy of certain group. I can assure you, most Americans do not want to do anything with the political establishment.
3) @Amer: after being a vehement anti-Soviet for many years while living in Russia and Hungary I am now a vehement opponent of U.S. political establishment as well. To make you feel better: I am not rehabilitating the Soviet regime in any form. Just saying, one bad guy is worse than the other.
At least, I try to be honest and I have no love for Putin & Co.
(But Medvedyev, like Obama did earn *** some *** respect from me. Medvedyev being IMO better off).
Unles Russia and China Recongnize Kosovo's independence.
Think about it UNSC Veto!
(Stevie, 5 September 2010 00:18)
I would not rely heavily on UNSC veto. With 3 major powers in the UNSC --US-Russia-China, and of course France and UK. It is known that attempting to hold the others hostage with a veto can have very bad consequences. ie, should Russia veto (China to date has not mentioned the veto word, however plenty of Serbians have put words in China's mouth) then they also know that causes of their own may also be vetoed in retaliation.
International politics often boil down to "If you do this, I will do that"
Remember Russia desperately wants to become a member of the WTO and the US has blocked it for many years now. Tit for Tat and who knows what will happen.
A visit being made at the invitation of the King - you forgot to mention that part, Pejoni!
(Amer, 4 September 2010 19:52)
Thaci is more harmful than good. His past (communist, part of terrorist organization, war crimes) and his present (crime lord) is one of the main obstacles myself and most of the Serbs I know refuse to recognize Kosovo. Other two obstacles is the way Serbs are being treated and that the entire thing is no more than a political project of you-know-who.
These recognitions would be more useful than of Honduras.
I keep wondering, people like you - what bug did bite them to support this kind of thing? Communist crime lords can be very well "pro-American" if it suits their moment interests.
@Ben: Syria is not an islamic country, it's more resembling a so-called "Socialist" country. That does not make it any better, but just FYI.
@Roberto: ej.... that "cvala" and "felemendarit" made my day, sorry. I can assure you, Serbs in Kosovo do not feel to say "hvala" to Honduras at all. And 99% of Albanians are tired to say "faleminderit shumë" because of the inefficiency, corruption and other negative effects the Thaci gang did bring them.
That recognition is positive only for the said gang because they can at least beat their chest. For anyone else it is either irrelevant or even straight harmful.
Some of course will feel their ego raised... only here and on youtube.
i was wondering how long we would be, uh, stuck on "69"...
(roberto, 4 September 2010 21:24)
No wonder, it's after all Clinton Street in Priština, not Castro Street in San Francisco. To tell the truth, I am rather stuck with the Clinton Street. But it's everyone's own. And Castro is not the best name in politics either.
This Honduras government, in power because of an internationally condemned coup d'état, is illegitmate to the eyes of the world, so this "recognition" of the separatist region in southern Serbia is essentially meaningless.
(SerbiaRussiaChina, 5 September 2010 00:21)
There have been elections since and now the current government is internationally regarded as legal and legitimate, even by Serbia, Russia and China.
Just the other day Tadic was in Libya celebrating 41 years of Colonel Gaddafi, of a dictator who came to power via a coup d'état. Not to mention Russia and Serbia's great ally Chávez of Venezuela who is no stranger to coup d'état. Even your beloved China came to power via a military coup d'état. We could talk about all them other glamorous democratic nations who support Serbia such as Cuba, Iran, Vietnam, Belarus and all those in Central Asia.
Honduras' current government was democratically and legitimately elected unlike many of Serbia's allies.
Ben wrote,
"When will these idiot Islamic countries move????
With them the job is done.
Or are they cowardly trying to "punish" the US???"
You are 100% correct in your assessment. As you can see, the only countries recognizing Kosovo's UDI are those countries that are easily swayed by the US. Let's look at Argentina for instance. I've been there and that's were the other part of my family is from. They absolutely hate the US down there. As Kosovo is a US and British cause, then you know they are going to reject Kosovo's UDI. It's a blessing for you to have the US as your support, but it's also a curse. Such is life and that's why it took so looooong for you to get this dribble (not wave) of recognitions.
Albert:
"Very soon, it will be known to everybody that Kosovo got to 100 recognition mark from Latin American countries."
Honduras is run by an illegitimate military dicatatorship that overthrew the elected government a year or so ago. It has been condemned by the whole of Latin America. Its recognition is simply an example of doing what the master in the north says, and does not indicate a Latin American trend. If anything, recognition by Honduras may hold back further LA recognitions - unfortunately, from where I stand, but a note of reality.
If anything, it is sinmply another example of the need for Kosova to break out of this bravado "we've got the US and Europe the most powerful so we don't care abouyt anyone else mentality", that we often see expressed on thgis list, for example today by Ben. Try and cme to terms with the fact that countries all over the world, especially in the Arab and Islamic world and Latin America, but also across Africa and Asia, have good reason to be suspicious of western imperilaism, often having experienced struggles against it similar to your own struggle. You ought to adjust your propaganda and world view accordingly, in my humble opinion.
The number of those who has not recognized is twice bigger.
(Air Fragnanse, 4 September 2010 19:04)
Woow, where did you get that number. I've not heard 140 countries stating that "we do do not recognize Kosovo". Only a few (like Serbia, Russia, Spain, Cyprus, etc..) have stated that.
The last time countries were asked to say something on the matter, 109 of them voted that Kosovo is a country and should be admitted to WB and IMF.
This Honduras government, in power because of an internationally condemned coup d'état, is illegitmate to the eyes of the world, so this "recognition" of the separatist region in southern Serbia is essentially meaningless.
Well congrats to kosovo....
Even if Kosovo gets 100 more recognitions it doesnt mater!
Unles Russia and China Recongnize Kosovo's independence.
Think about it UNSC Veto!
OMG, caught off guard! apparently my sources forgot to leak this one to me :) but thanks to b-92, i can stay informed and abreast of the news!
Congratulations Kosova, meaning to the people of Kosova, ALL of the people, and to the forward thinking citizens of the region. to all of our frnds and supporters around the world. who cares about ethnicity or religions; not i.
i was wondering how long we would be, uh, stuck on "69"...
cvala mnoga for the news, and felemendarit (sp) to all of you who have worked so hard, struggled -- sometimes losing so much -- for these very special moments, the enshrining by the outside world of our freedom, our independence.
To : Dependant
“All will recognize Kosovo. Time is working in favor of this. by the way there is not other choice. At the end Serbia will do too … “
I wonder how long are you going to live with this optimism ? 100 or even more years ? The only thing you guys can gain today is that you obtained another reason to learn geography to know what Honduras is and where one can buy it. Only if Serbs go crazy and present you their lands and churches in K&M you may feel at ease. Otherwise you and your children are sentenced to live in the reservation you can temporarily control.
To : Ben
Thank you very much ! I couldn’t say it better cause in fact you confessed that
1/ Islamic countries are idiotic only because they don’t accept US puppets.
2/ Islamic countries are cowards cause they don’t fear to punish the USA.
3/ Without Islamic countries the deal is not done.
By the way why not betray for Catholics after this Ramadan is over ? It will punish the Islamic world where your drug net is still weak.
To : Joe
Yes we know that Islamo phobia and Russo phobia are your main ideas.
To : omnipotent,
The number of those who has not recognized is twice bigger. And besides if you see the figures in dynamic of the current and the past years you must be close to panic.
To : Lowe
Don’t worry brother ! No Honduras can influence us !
Ben is right and you are wrong! If it hadn´t been for the christian countries, namely catholic, protestant and few orthodox countries, Kosovo would have stagnated forever at 15 recognitions. Islam has brought nothing to Albanians but pain, fanatism, underdevelopment, and betrayel. Arabs,Persians,and Sahara Arabs,can keep their stinky recognitions. Very soon, it will be known to everybody that Kosovo got to 100 recognition mark from Latin American countries.
In fact, you may have a lot more chances to be recognised by Serbia after partition and exchange of territories, then, Iran, Siria, and so on.
Ladies and Gentlemen, the number of countries who recognized is 70!
Fingers crossed for the next ones coming soon!
(omnipotent, 4 September 2010 12:04)
Ladies and gentlemen, what happened to the waves of recognitions predicted after the ICJ advisory decision? Can someone remind me how many have NOT recognised?
Being an ally of US has its upsides but also its downsides of whom we see many Muslims majority countries view Kosovo a country of US interest. While we are here, I have yet to hear Vatican recognizing us, so calm down Crusader. Btw, Thaci is on visit to Qatar as we speak, might bring good news.
Being an ally of US has its upsides but also its downsides of whom we see many Muslims majority countries view Kosovo a country of US interest. While we are here, I have yet to hear Vatican recognizing us, so calm down Crusader. Btw, Thaci is on visit to Qatar as we speak, might bring good news.
OMG, caught off guard! apparently my sources forgot to leak this one to me :) but thanks to b-92, i can stay informed and abreast of the news!
Congratulations Kosova, meaning to the people of Kosova, ALL of the people, and to the forward thinking citizens of the region. to all of our frnds and supporters around the world. who cares about ethnicity or religions; not i.
i was wondering how long we would be, uh, stuck on "69"...
cvala mnoga for the news, and felemendarit (sp) to all of you who have worked so hard, struggled -- sometimes losing so much -- for these very special moments, the enshrining by the outside world of our freedom, our independence.
This Honduras government, in power because of an internationally condemned coup d'état, is illegitmate to the eyes of the world, so this "recognition" of the separatist region in southern Serbia is essentially meaningless.
(SerbiaRussiaChina, 5 September 2010 00:21)
There have been elections since and now the current government is internationally regarded as legal and legitimate, even by Serbia, Russia and China.
Just the other day Tadic was in Libya celebrating 41 years of Colonel Gaddafi, of a dictator who came to power via a coup d'état. Not to mention Russia and Serbia's great ally Chávez of Venezuela who is no stranger to coup d'état. Even your beloved China came to power via a military coup d'état. We could talk about all them other glamorous democratic nations who support Serbia such as Cuba, Iran, Vietnam, Belarus and all those in Central Asia.
Honduras' current government was democratically and legitimately elected unlike many of Serbia's allies.
The number of those who has not recognized is twice bigger.
(Air Fragnanse, 4 September 2010 19:04)
Woow, where did you get that number. I've not heard 140 countries stating that "we do do not recognize Kosovo". Only a few (like Serbia, Russia, Spain, Cyprus, etc..) have stated that.
The last time countries were asked to say something on the matter, 109 of them voted that Kosovo is a country and should be admitted to WB and IMF.
Unles Russia and China Recongnize Kosovo's independence.
Think about it UNSC Veto!
(Stevie, 5 September 2010 00:18)
I would not rely heavily on UNSC veto. With 3 major powers in the UNSC --US-Russia-China, and of course France and UK. It is known that attempting to hold the others hostage with a veto can have very bad consequences. ie, should Russia veto (China to date has not mentioned the veto word, however plenty of Serbians have put words in China's mouth) then they also know that causes of their own may also be vetoed in retaliation.
International politics often boil down to "If you do this, I will do that"
Remember Russia desperately wants to become a member of the WTO and the US has blocked it for many years now. Tit for Tat and who knows what will happen.
Ben is right and you are wrong! If it hadn´t been for the christian countries, namely catholic, protestant and few orthodox countries, Kosovo would have stagnated forever at 15 recognitions. Islam has brought nothing to Albanians but pain, fanatism, underdevelopment, and betrayel. Arabs,Persians,and Sahara Arabs,can keep their stinky recognitions. Very soon, it will be known to everybody that Kosovo got to 100 recognition mark from Latin American countries.
In fact, you may have a lot more chances to be recognised by Serbia after partition and exchange of territories, then, Iran, Siria, and so on.
To : Dependant
“All will recognize Kosovo. Time is working in favor of this. by the way there is not other choice. At the end Serbia will do too … “
I wonder how long are you going to live with this optimism ? 100 or even more years ? The only thing you guys can gain today is that you obtained another reason to learn geography to know what Honduras is and where one can buy it. Only if Serbs go crazy and present you their lands and churches in K&M you may feel at ease. Otherwise you and your children are sentenced to live in the reservation you can temporarily control.
To : Ben
Thank you very much ! I couldn’t say it better cause in fact you confessed that
1/ Islamic countries are idiotic only because they don’t accept US puppets.
2/ Islamic countries are cowards cause they don’t fear to punish the USA.
3/ Without Islamic countries the deal is not done.
By the way why not betray for Catholics after this Ramadan is over ? It will punish the Islamic world where your drug net is still weak.
To : Joe
Yes we know that Islamo phobia and Russo phobia are your main ideas.
To : omnipotent,
The number of those who has not recognized is twice bigger. And besides if you see the figures in dynamic of the current and the past years you must be close to panic.
To : Lowe
Don’t worry brother ! No Honduras can influence us !
Ladies and Gentlemen, the number of countries who recognized is 70!
Fingers crossed for the next ones coming soon!
(omnipotent, 4 September 2010 12:04)
Ladies and gentlemen, what happened to the waves of recognitions predicted after the ICJ advisory decision? Can someone remind me how many have NOT recognised?
Well congrats to kosovo....
Even if Kosovo gets 100 more recognitions it doesnt mater!
Unles Russia and China Recongnize Kosovo's independence.
Think about it UNSC Veto!
"Thaci is more harmful than good. His past (communist, part of terrorist organization, war crimes) and his present (crime lord) is one of the main obstacles myself and most of the Serbs I know refuse to recognize Kosovo."
-- That was a reading provided from Ataman of The Chronicles of Tadic.
This Honduras government, in power because of an internationally condemned coup d'état, is illegitmate to the eyes of the world, so this "recognition" of the separatist region in southern Serbia is essentially meaningless.
Ben wrote,
"When will these idiot Islamic countries move????
With them the job is done.
Or are they cowardly trying to "punish" the US???"
You are 100% correct in your assessment. As you can see, the only countries recognizing Kosovo's UDI are those countries that are easily swayed by the US. Let's look at Argentina for instance. I've been there and that's were the other part of my family is from. They absolutely hate the US down there. As Kosovo is a US and British cause, then you know they are going to reject Kosovo's UDI. It's a blessing for you to have the US as your support, but it's also a curse. Such is life and that's why it took so looooong for you to get this dribble (not wave) of recognitions.
(USB 3.0, 5 September 2010 18:29)
USB, how can you claim the govt of Kosovo was not legitimately elected. The elections in 2007 were organized by UNMIK the only organization that could legally call elections at that time(no Serbian called elections are legal under 1244). Because the people in the north chose not to participate does not give any rights to disavow the legitimacy of the election.
It would be similar to in the US if those who chose not to vote claimed that Obama was not President because they didn't vote. Makes no sense. To vote or not to vote was a free choice, it was encouraged by everyone but Serbia.
If you look throughout history those who lead the fight toward establishment of a new country, or new regime of old country are the initial new leaders. As time passes new leaders are established. To expect the people of Kosovo to choose otherwise would make no sense except to the opposition.
Finally just because you claim to like neither Russia nor the US, does not mean you are more openminded, just anti-establishment.
i was wondering how long we would be, uh, stuck on "69"...
(roberto, 4 September 2010 21:24)
No wonder, it's after all Clinton Street in Priština, not Castro Street in San Francisco. To tell the truth, I am rather stuck with the Clinton Street. But it's everyone's own. And Castro is not the best name in politics either.
Albert:
"Very soon, it will be known to everybody that Kosovo got to 100 recognition mark from Latin American countries."
Honduras is run by an illegitimate military dicatatorship that overthrew the elected government a year or so ago. It has been condemned by the whole of Latin America. Its recognition is simply an example of doing what the master in the north says, and does not indicate a Latin American trend. If anything, recognition by Honduras may hold back further LA recognitions - unfortunately, from where I stand, but a note of reality.
If anything, it is sinmply another example of the need for Kosova to break out of this bravado "we've got the US and Europe the most powerful so we don't care abouyt anyone else mentality", that we often see expressed on thgis list, for example today by Ben. Try and cme to terms with the fact that countries all over the world, especially in the Arab and Islamic world and Latin America, but also across Africa and Asia, have good reason to be suspicious of western imperilaism, often having experienced struggles against it similar to your own struggle. You ought to adjust your propaganda and world view accordingly, in my humble opinion.
A visit being made at the invitation of the King - you forgot to mention that part, Pejoni!
(Amer, 4 September 2010 19:52)
Thaci is more harmful than good. His past (communist, part of terrorist organization, war crimes) and his present (crime lord) is one of the main obstacles myself and most of the Serbs I know refuse to recognize Kosovo. Other two obstacles is the way Serbs are being treated and that the entire thing is no more than a political project of you-know-who.
These recognitions would be more useful than of Honduras.
I keep wondering, people like you - what bug did bite them to support this kind of thing? Communist crime lords can be very well "pro-American" if it suits their moment interests.
@Ben: Syria is not an islamic country, it's more resembling a so-called "Socialist" country. That does not make it any better, but just FYI.
@Roberto: ej.... that "cvala" and "felemendarit" made my day, sorry. I can assure you, Serbs in Kosovo do not feel to say "hvala" to Honduras at all. And 99% of Albanians are tired to say "faleminderit shumë" because of the inefficiency, corruption and other negative effects the Thaci gang did bring them.
That recognition is positive only for the said gang because they can at least beat their chest. For anyone else it is either irrelevant or even straight harmful.
Some of course will feel their ego raised... only here and on youtube.
I can assure you, most Americans do not want to do anything with the political establishment. USB 3.0
Hi, Ataman. Please define "the political establishment." If you simply mean, all politicians and political institutions, well, you may be right. Most Americans, like most people everywhere, have their own lives to live and don't spend much time worrying about what their senators or representatives are up to. If you're talking about Rush's followers, there are an awful lot of dumb people out there. I am constantly amazed that democracy works as well as it does.
BTW, people who use terms like "political establishment" are hardly in the majority, at least here in the U.S.
Honduras' current government was democratically and legitimately elected unlike many of Serbia's allies.
(Ian, UK, 5 September 2010 13:50)
I don't care less. Serbia's government was democratically and legitimately elected. It is respected as legit government by every country in the world, even of disputed countries.
Kosovo's "government" was not legitimately elected - at least a significant part of Kosovo ( = the North ) disputes it.
That could be improved by Albanians:
1) make politics with people not involved with controversies like Thaci or Haradinaj
2) serving most selfish and violent goals of current American political establishment (not the country!) blindly does not make feel others good. These policies have nothing to do with Founding Fathers and in general with what made America a great country. It's the "ugly America" as many outsiders love to hate + it's a pet policy of certain group. I can assure you, most Americans do not want to do anything with the political establishment.
3) @Amer: after being a vehement anti-Soviet for many years while living in Russia and Hungary I am now a vehement opponent of U.S. political establishment as well. To make you feel better: I am not rehabilitating the Soviet regime in any form. Just saying, one bad guy is worse than the other.
At least, I try to be honest and I have no love for Putin & Co.
(But Medvedyev, like Obama did earn *** some *** respect from me. Medvedyev being IMO better off).
To : Dependant
“All will recognize Kosovo. Time is working in favor of this. by the way there is not other choice. At the end Serbia will do too … “
I wonder how long are you going to live with this optimism ? 100 or even more years ? The only thing you guys can gain today is that you obtained another reason to learn geography to know what Honduras is and where one can buy it. Only if Serbs go crazy and present you their lands and churches in K&M you may feel at ease. Otherwise you and your children are sentenced to live in the reservation you can temporarily control.
To : Ben
Thank you very much ! I couldn’t say it better cause in fact you confessed that
1/ Islamic countries are idiotic only because they don’t accept US puppets.
2/ Islamic countries are cowards cause they don’t fear to punish the USA.
3/ Without Islamic countries the deal is not done.
By the way why not betray for Catholics after this Ramadan is over ? It will punish the Islamic world where your drug net is still weak.
To : Joe
Yes we know that Islamo phobia and Russo phobia are your main ideas.
To : omnipotent,
The number of those who has not recognized is twice bigger. And besides if you see the figures in dynamic of the current and the past years you must be close to panic.
To : Lowe
Don’t worry brother ! No Honduras can influence us !
Ladies and Gentlemen, the number of countries who recognized is 70!
Fingers crossed for the next ones coming soon!
(omnipotent, 4 September 2010 12:04)
Ladies and gentlemen, what happened to the waves of recognitions predicted after the ICJ advisory decision? Can someone remind me how many have NOT recognised?
Being an ally of US has its upsides but also its downsides of whom we see many Muslims majority countries view Kosovo a country of US interest. While we are here, I have yet to hear Vatican recognizing us, so calm down Crusader. Btw, Thaci is on visit to Qatar as we speak, might bring good news.
This Honduras government, in power because of an internationally condemned coup d'état, is illegitmate to the eyes of the world, so this "recognition" of the separatist region in southern Serbia is essentially meaningless.
Well congrats to kosovo....
Even if Kosovo gets 100 more recognitions it doesnt mater!
Unles Russia and China Recongnize Kosovo's independence.
Think about it UNSC Veto!
OMG, caught off guard! apparently my sources forgot to leak this one to me :) but thanks to b-92, i can stay informed and abreast of the news!
Congratulations Kosova, meaning to the people of Kosova, ALL of the people, and to the forward thinking citizens of the region. to all of our frnds and supporters around the world. who cares about ethnicity or religions; not i.
i was wondering how long we would be, uh, stuck on "69"...
cvala mnoga for the news, and felemendarit (sp) to all of you who have worked so hard, struggled -- sometimes losing so much -- for these very special moments, the enshrining by the outside world of our freedom, our independence.
A visit being made at the invitation of the King - you forgot to mention that part, Pejoni!
(Amer, 4 September 2010 19:52)
Thaci is more harmful than good. His past (communist, part of terrorist organization, war crimes) and his present (crime lord) is one of the main obstacles myself and most of the Serbs I know refuse to recognize Kosovo. Other two obstacles is the way Serbs are being treated and that the entire thing is no more than a political project of you-know-who.
These recognitions would be more useful than of Honduras.
I keep wondering, people like you - what bug did bite them to support this kind of thing? Communist crime lords can be very well "pro-American" if it suits their moment interests.
@Ben: Syria is not an islamic country, it's more resembling a so-called "Socialist" country. That does not make it any better, but just FYI.
@Roberto: ej.... that "cvala" and "felemendarit" made my day, sorry. I can assure you, Serbs in Kosovo do not feel to say "hvala" to Honduras at all. And 99% of Albanians are tired to say "faleminderit shumë" because of the inefficiency, corruption and other negative effects the Thaci gang did bring them.
That recognition is positive only for the said gang because they can at least beat their chest. For anyone else it is either irrelevant or even straight harmful.
Some of course will feel their ego raised... only here and on youtube.
Albert:
"Very soon, it will be known to everybody that Kosovo got to 100 recognition mark from Latin American countries."
Honduras is run by an illegitimate military dicatatorship that overthrew the elected government a year or so ago. It has been condemned by the whole of Latin America. Its recognition is simply an example of doing what the master in the north says, and does not indicate a Latin American trend. If anything, recognition by Honduras may hold back further LA recognitions - unfortunately, from where I stand, but a note of reality.
If anything, it is sinmply another example of the need for Kosova to break out of this bravado "we've got the US and Europe the most powerful so we don't care abouyt anyone else mentality", that we often see expressed on thgis list, for example today by Ben. Try and cme to terms with the fact that countries all over the world, especially in the Arab and Islamic world and Latin America, but also across Africa and Asia, have good reason to be suspicious of western imperilaism, often having experienced struggles against it similar to your own struggle. You ought to adjust your propaganda and world view accordingly, in my humble opinion.
i was wondering how long we would be, uh, stuck on "69"...
(roberto, 4 September 2010 21:24)
No wonder, it's after all Clinton Street in Priština, not Castro Street in San Francisco. To tell the truth, I am rather stuck with the Clinton Street. But it's everyone's own. And Castro is not the best name in politics either.
Ben is right and you are wrong! If it hadn´t been for the christian countries, namely catholic, protestant and few orthodox countries, Kosovo would have stagnated forever at 15 recognitions. Islam has brought nothing to Albanians but pain, fanatism, underdevelopment, and betrayel. Arabs,Persians,and Sahara Arabs,can keep their stinky recognitions. Very soon, it will be known to everybody that Kosovo got to 100 recognition mark from Latin American countries.
In fact, you may have a lot more chances to be recognised by Serbia after partition and exchange of territories, then, Iran, Siria, and so on.
The number of those who has not recognized is twice bigger.
(Air Fragnanse, 4 September 2010 19:04)
Woow, where did you get that number. I've not heard 140 countries stating that "we do do not recognize Kosovo". Only a few (like Serbia, Russia, Spain, Cyprus, etc..) have stated that.
The last time countries were asked to say something on the matter, 109 of them voted that Kosovo is a country and should be admitted to WB and IMF.
Ben wrote,
"When will these idiot Islamic countries move????
With them the job is done.
Or are they cowardly trying to "punish" the US???"
You are 100% correct in your assessment. As you can see, the only countries recognizing Kosovo's UDI are those countries that are easily swayed by the US. Let's look at Argentina for instance. I've been there and that's were the other part of my family is from. They absolutely hate the US down there. As Kosovo is a US and British cause, then you know they are going to reject Kosovo's UDI. It's a blessing for you to have the US as your support, but it's also a curse. Such is life and that's why it took so looooong for you to get this dribble (not wave) of recognitions.
This Honduras government, in power because of an internationally condemned coup d'état, is illegitmate to the eyes of the world, so this "recognition" of the separatist region in southern Serbia is essentially meaningless.
(SerbiaRussiaChina, 5 September 2010 00:21)
There have been elections since and now the current government is internationally regarded as legal and legitimate, even by Serbia, Russia and China.
Just the other day Tadic was in Libya celebrating 41 years of Colonel Gaddafi, of a dictator who came to power via a coup d'état. Not to mention Russia and Serbia's great ally Chávez of Venezuela who is no stranger to coup d'état. Even your beloved China came to power via a military coup d'état. We could talk about all them other glamorous democratic nations who support Serbia such as Cuba, Iran, Vietnam, Belarus and all those in Central Asia.
Honduras' current government was democratically and legitimately elected unlike many of Serbia's allies.
Honduras' current government was democratically and legitimately elected unlike many of Serbia's allies.
(Ian, UK, 5 September 2010 13:50)
I don't care less. Serbia's government was democratically and legitimately elected. It is respected as legit government by every country in the world, even of disputed countries.
Kosovo's "government" was not legitimately elected - at least a significant part of Kosovo ( = the North ) disputes it.
That could be improved by Albanians:
1) make politics with people not involved with controversies like Thaci or Haradinaj
2) serving most selfish and violent goals of current American political establishment (not the country!) blindly does not make feel others good. These policies have nothing to do with Founding Fathers and in general with what made America a great country. It's the "ugly America" as many outsiders love to hate + it's a pet policy of certain group. I can assure you, most Americans do not want to do anything with the political establishment.
3) @Amer: after being a vehement anti-Soviet for many years while living in Russia and Hungary I am now a vehement opponent of U.S. political establishment as well. To make you feel better: I am not rehabilitating the Soviet regime in any form. Just saying, one bad guy is worse than the other.
At least, I try to be honest and I have no love for Putin & Co.
(But Medvedyev, like Obama did earn *** some *** respect from me. Medvedyev being IMO better off).
Unles Russia and China Recongnize Kosovo's independence.
Think about it UNSC Veto!
(Stevie, 5 September 2010 00:18)
I would not rely heavily on UNSC veto. With 3 major powers in the UNSC --US-Russia-China, and of course France and UK. It is known that attempting to hold the others hostage with a veto can have very bad consequences. ie, should Russia veto (China to date has not mentioned the veto word, however plenty of Serbians have put words in China's mouth) then they also know that causes of their own may also be vetoed in retaliation.
International politics often boil down to "If you do this, I will do that"
Remember Russia desperately wants to become a member of the WTO and the US has blocked it for many years now. Tit for Tat and who knows what will happen.
"Thaci is more harmful than good. His past (communist, part of terrorist organization, war crimes) and his present (crime lord) is one of the main obstacles myself and most of the Serbs I know refuse to recognize Kosovo."
-- That was a reading provided from Ataman of The Chronicles of Tadic.
(USB 3.0, 5 September 2010 18:29)
USB, how can you claim the govt of Kosovo was not legitimately elected. The elections in 2007 were organized by UNMIK the only organization that could legally call elections at that time(no Serbian called elections are legal under 1244). Because the people in the north chose not to participate does not give any rights to disavow the legitimacy of the election.
It would be similar to in the US if those who chose not to vote claimed that Obama was not President because they didn't vote. Makes no sense. To vote or not to vote was a free choice, it was encouraged by everyone but Serbia.
If you look throughout history those who lead the fight toward establishment of a new country, or new regime of old country are the initial new leaders. As time passes new leaders are established. To expect the people of Kosovo to choose otherwise would make no sense except to the opposition.
Finally just because you claim to like neither Russia nor the US, does not mean you are more openminded, just anti-establishment.
I can assure you, most Americans do not want to do anything with the political establishment. USB 3.0
Hi, Ataman. Please define "the political establishment." If you simply mean, all politicians and political institutions, well, you may be right. Most Americans, like most people everywhere, have their own lives to live and don't spend much time worrying about what their senators or representatives are up to. If you're talking about Rush's followers, there are an awful lot of dumb people out there. I am constantly amazed that democracy works as well as it does.
BTW, people who use terms like "political establishment" are hardly in the majority, at least here in the U.S.
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