PM: No Kosovo solution without Serbia

1. Prime Minister Mirko Cvetković:

"We are aware that the problems in Kosovo and Metohija have been piling up for decades and that they have to be resolved in a serious, wise and patient manner, by using peaceful and diplomatic means."


2. dht:

Yes, Mr. Prime Minister, plan A, problem solution by peaceful diplomatic negotiations, is the best solution.

However, what shall happen, if plan A fails, and if Priština tries to gain control over the north of Kosovo by using force ? Or if incidents like those which occured in 2004 will happen again ?

If one of these events occurs, will you send your troops to protect the Serbs, Roma, etc. ?

And if you are not sending your troops, will your government support the volunteers in protecting the Serbs, Roma, etc., or will it at least tolerate the necessities, or will your government hamper the volunteers ?

About 15 years ago a Serbian president betrayed Serbs:
Slobodan Milošević betrayed the Krajina Serbs, he didn´t help them although he knew that the Croats had concrete plans to conquer the Krajina.

Shall this betrayal happen again ?

"PM: No Kosovo solution without Serbia"

No Kosovo solution without the people of Kosovo.

Serbian volunteers in Kosovo? Again?

Do you seriously think KFOR will allow that?

1. Nick KS:

"Serbian volunteers in Kosovo? Again?

Do you seriously think KFOR will allow that?
(Nick KS, 1 September 2010 14:22)"


2. dht:

@ Nick KS

2.1
"Serbian volunteers in Kosovo? Again?"

Why again ? If you mention 1998/99, there were only official Serbian units in Kosovo.

2.2
"Do you seriously think KFOR will allow that?"

Oh, KFOR (your "big brother").

Isn´t KFOR a part of NATO ?

NATO illegally attacked Serbia in 1999 and is responsible for the death of many civilians.

"Serbian government... will not recognize Kosovo's independence and that it will not make any move that would be contrary to the national interests and the interests of the people.."

Thanks for making my point. Any talks/calls about "compromise", "negotiation" is a WASTE of Time.

That is ONE of the reason why the unilateral proclation of independence was RIGHT. Serbia and Kosovo would never have agreed on issue of Status. That is why president Ahtisari was called to help to find a solution. He heared both sides. One side is unhappy? Tough...!

dht,

"Why again ? If you mention 1998/99, there were only official Serbian units in Kosovo."

I suppose you are right. I mean for Serbia in times of war anyone with a gun is an "official unit" with an "official mandate".

Who is this Cvetkovic? ah yes he is just like Milutinovic was during the Milosevic era a Puppet. No one asks your opinion Mr PM you are there to make Tadic look better nothing else.

1. Nick KS:

"I mean for Serbia in times of war anyone with a gun is an "official unit" with an "official mandate".
(Nick KS, 1 September 2010 15:59)"


2. dht:

I think you know that this statement is not true.

"Serbian government... will not recognize Kosovo's independence and that it will not make any move that would be contrary to the national interests and the interests of the people.."

Thanks for making my point. Any talks/calls about "compromise", "negotiation" is a WASTE of Time.

That is ONE of the reason why the unilateral proclation of independence was RIGHT. Serbia and Kosovo would never have agreed on issue of Status. That is why president Ahtisari was called to help to find a solution. He heared both sides. One side is unhappy? Tough...!
(EA)
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Sorry EA but your reasoning does not fly, you need Serbia more than anything else. You want to be on the world stage ? You want to be respected as people? You want to have a functioning economy/education and infrastructure? This can only happen once you recognize the nation you are really under; Serbia.

@pss

1. pss wrote:

"So you say that NATO illegally attacked Serbia, ironic that the UNSC (with the approval of both China and Russia) placed NATO in charge overseeing the withdrawal of all Serbian forces from Kosovo and it still carries the mandate for security of Kosovo."


2. dht´s reply:

It´s good that you are mentioning the UNSC.

Because one of reasons why NATO´s attack against Serbia was illegal is the lack of the - necessary - approval by the UNSC.

Another reason is that there was no ethnic cleansing or genocide commited against Albanians,

this was just a KLA lie.

And NATO blindly or willingly believed these lies.

1. dht:

"Shall this betrayal happen again ?
(dht, 1 September 2010 11:06)"


2. Amer:

"Most probably.
(Amer, 1 September 2010 18:27)"


3. dht:

So you hope that a betrayal is most probable.
(By the way, even you acknowledge that it would be a betrayal.)

The most likely development is that we will not reach a compromise, because the Albanian side is not willing to make compromises.

And from that point of time on, plan B applies.

"Shall this betrayal happen again ?
(dht, 1 September 2010 11:06) "

Most probably.

NATO illegally attacked Serbia in 1999 and is responsible for the death of many civilians.
(dht, 1 September 2010 15:28)
So you say that NATO illegally attacked Serbia, ironic that the UNSC (with the approval of both China and Russia) placed NATO in charge overseeing the withdrawal of all Serbian forces from Kosovo and it still carries the mandate for security of Kosovo.
I don't think any war is "legal" but sometimes it is necessary.

@pss


1. pss:
"Has the UNSC ever approved a bombing campaign??"


2. dht´s reply:

yes, of course: for example, Second Gulf War 1991


3. pss:

"During my time in Kosovo spoke to many many families who were expelled from Kosovo by Serbian police (and were not fleeing NATO bombs) to only return and find their homes destroyed."


4. dht´s reply:

"During my time in Kosovo spoke to many many families":

Oh, oh, oh, what a factitiousness:

Pss, we know from your other comments that your are an Albanian.

So, do not try to play the neutral, objective foreigner.

"You want to have a functioning economy/education and infrastructure? "

And you would make it possible? Where were you for 100 years for building a better infrastructure?

"This can only happen once you recognize the nation you are really under; Serbia."
trudsaam

What under?
This morning I adjusted my calendar for September. I think you forgot to do it for the last 11 years.

It´s good that you are mentioning the UNSC.

Because one of reasons why NATO´s attack against Serbia was illegal is the lack of the - necessary - approval by the UNSC.

Another reason is that there was no ethnic cleansing or genocide commited against Albanians,

this was just a KLA lie.

And NATO blindly or willingly believed these lies.
(dht, 2 September 2010 12:17)
Has the UNSC ever approved a bombing campaign??
The second part of your answer is so totally and blatantly false it certainsy shows a lack of credibility on other comments.
During my time in Kosovo spoke to many many families who were expelled from Kosovo by Serbian police (and were not fleeing NATO bombs) to only return and find their homes destroyed.

1. Prime Minister Mirko Cvetković:

"We are aware that the problems in Kosovo and Metohija have been piling up for decades and that they have to be resolved in a serious, wise and patient manner, by using peaceful and diplomatic means."


2. dht:

Yes, Mr. Prime Minister, plan A, problem solution by peaceful diplomatic negotiations, is the best solution.

However, what shall happen, if plan A fails, and if Priština tries to gain control over the north of Kosovo by using force ? Or if incidents like those which occured in 2004 will happen again ?

If one of these events occurs, will you send your troops to protect the Serbs, Roma, etc. ?

And if you are not sending your troops, will your government support the volunteers in protecting the Serbs, Roma, etc., or will it at least tolerate the necessities, or will your government hamper the volunteers ?

About 15 years ago a Serbian president betrayed Serbs:
Slobodan Milošević betrayed the Krajina Serbs, he didn´t help them although he knew that the Croats had concrete plans to conquer the Krajina.

Shall this betrayal happen again ?

1. Nick KS:

"Serbian volunteers in Kosovo? Again?

Do you seriously think KFOR will allow that?
(Nick KS, 1 September 2010 14:22)"


2. dht:

@ Nick KS

2.1
"Serbian volunteers in Kosovo? Again?"

Why again ? If you mention 1998/99, there were only official Serbian units in Kosovo.

2.2
"Do you seriously think KFOR will allow that?"

Oh, KFOR (your "big brother").

Isn´t KFOR a part of NATO ?

NATO illegally attacked Serbia in 1999 and is responsible for the death of many civilians.

Serbian volunteers in Kosovo? Again?

Do you seriously think KFOR will allow that?

"PM: No Kosovo solution without Serbia"

No Kosovo solution without the people of Kosovo.

Who is this Cvetkovic? ah yes he is just like Milutinovic was during the Milosevic era a Puppet. No one asks your opinion Mr PM you are there to make Tadic look better nothing else.

1. Nick KS:

"I mean for Serbia in times of war anyone with a gun is an "official unit" with an "official mandate".
(Nick KS, 1 September 2010 15:59)"


2. dht:

I think you know that this statement is not true.

NATO illegally attacked Serbia in 1999 and is responsible for the death of many civilians.
(dht, 1 September 2010 15:28)
So you say that NATO illegally attacked Serbia, ironic that the UNSC (with the approval of both China and Russia) placed NATO in charge overseeing the withdrawal of all Serbian forces from Kosovo and it still carries the mandate for security of Kosovo.
I don't think any war is "legal" but sometimes it is necessary.

"Serbian government... will not recognize Kosovo's independence and that it will not make any move that would be contrary to the national interests and the interests of the people.."

Thanks for making my point. Any talks/calls about "compromise", "negotiation" is a WASTE of Time.

That is ONE of the reason why the unilateral proclation of independence was RIGHT. Serbia and Kosovo would never have agreed on issue of Status. That is why president Ahtisari was called to help to find a solution. He heared both sides. One side is unhappy? Tough...!

"Serbian government... will not recognize Kosovo's independence and that it will not make any move that would be contrary to the national interests and the interests of the people.."

Thanks for making my point. Any talks/calls about "compromise", "negotiation" is a WASTE of Time.

That is ONE of the reason why the unilateral proclation of independence was RIGHT. Serbia and Kosovo would never have agreed on issue of Status. That is why president Ahtisari was called to help to find a solution. He heared both sides. One side is unhappy? Tough...!
(EA)
-
Sorry EA but your reasoning does not fly, you need Serbia more than anything else. You want to be on the world stage ? You want to be respected as people? You want to have a functioning economy/education and infrastructure? This can only happen once you recognize the nation you are really under; Serbia.

dht,

"Why again ? If you mention 1998/99, there were only official Serbian units in Kosovo."

I suppose you are right. I mean for Serbia in times of war anyone with a gun is an "official unit" with an "official mandate".

1. dht:

"Shall this betrayal happen again ?
(dht, 1 September 2010 11:06)"


2. Amer:

"Most probably.
(Amer, 1 September 2010 18:27)"


3. dht:

So you hope that a betrayal is most probable.
(By the way, even you acknowledge that it would be a betrayal.)

The most likely development is that we will not reach a compromise, because the Albanian side is not willing to make compromises.

And from that point of time on, plan B applies.

"You want to have a functioning economy/education and infrastructure? "

And you would make it possible? Where were you for 100 years for building a better infrastructure?

"This can only happen once you recognize the nation you are really under; Serbia."
trudsaam

What under?
This morning I adjusted my calendar for September. I think you forgot to do it for the last 11 years.

@pss


1. pss:
"Has the UNSC ever approved a bombing campaign??"


2. dht´s reply:

yes, of course: for example, Second Gulf War 1991


3. pss:

"During my time in Kosovo spoke to many many families who were expelled from Kosovo by Serbian police (and were not fleeing NATO bombs) to only return and find their homes destroyed."


4. dht´s reply:

"During my time in Kosovo spoke to many many families":

Oh, oh, oh, what a factitiousness:

Pss, we know from your other comments that your are an Albanian.

So, do not try to play the neutral, objective foreigner.

"Shall this betrayal happen again ?
(dht, 1 September 2010 11:06) "

Most probably.

@pss

1. pss wrote:

"So you say that NATO illegally attacked Serbia, ironic that the UNSC (with the approval of both China and Russia) placed NATO in charge overseeing the withdrawal of all Serbian forces from Kosovo and it still carries the mandate for security of Kosovo."


2. dht´s reply:

It´s good that you are mentioning the UNSC.

Because one of reasons why NATO´s attack against Serbia was illegal is the lack of the - necessary - approval by the UNSC.

Another reason is that there was no ethnic cleansing or genocide commited against Albanians,

this was just a KLA lie.

And NATO blindly or willingly believed these lies.

It´s good that you are mentioning the UNSC.

Because one of reasons why NATO´s attack against Serbia was illegal is the lack of the - necessary - approval by the UNSC.

Another reason is that there was no ethnic cleansing or genocide commited against Albanians,

this was just a KLA lie.

And NATO blindly or willingly believed these lies.
(dht, 2 September 2010 12:17)
Has the UNSC ever approved a bombing campaign??
The second part of your answer is so totally and blatantly false it certainsy shows a lack of credibility on other comments.
During my time in Kosovo spoke to many many families who were expelled from Kosovo by Serbian police (and were not fleeing NATO bombs) to only return and find their homes destroyed.