Albania lobbying for Kosovo recognitions

Jovan, Albanians only wish is for a fair and equitable compromise. Their main wish is to incorporate all their peoples into one so called State institution. Call it Albania, Illyria, call it what you will. In order to disprove our “fascist agenda” we also wish to incorporate 2 million ethnic Serbian people and their lands into this so called state “not to subjugate them” although they will have no right to participate in the general elections of the so called state or mother country. These ethnic Serbs however will have the greatest autonomy you can imagine whereby they can elect their own leaders within well defined boundaries where they are in majority only. They will also have the added advantage of choosing Albanian as their mother tongue.
(our equitable solution, 1 September 2010 08:48)

First off, what advantage is there in learning Albanian???

As for autonomy, this is ridiculous... first off your so-called PM denied considering it. Second of all autonomy was not good enough for you so why should it be good enough for us?

As for Serbian elections - you Albanians cannot deny Serbs the right to vote in them, nor can you stop them. Get used to it.

Albania lobbying for recognitions! That one sentence speaks volumes as to the actual end game being planned. Heres an idea America, why dont you scaremonger everyone with stories about the plans for a Greater Serbia and use that as a smoke screen for the story of a Greater Albania. No, surely not, that would be unbelievable.....

One more time, get over Kosova. It belongs to the Albanias of that land.
(Jimmy, 1 September 2010 00:44)
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Says you. I suggest you build a bridge as you can't take our Kosovo away.

so much venom for Albania and Albanians. I would say to Serbs, Kosova is NO longer yours. GET OVER IT. Too much hate toward Albanians for a small piece of land. If Serbs want Kosova, Serbs should want Croatia, Sllovenia, Montenegro, Macedonia. Why aren't the Serbs wanting to RE-claim the entire old-Yugoslavia? One more time, get over Kosova. It belongs to the Albanias of that land.

If Kosovo really has nothing to do with Albiania, if Kosovo really is a post-nationalistic state.... then why Albania is lobbying for Kosovo?

Why is Albania not lobbying for Abkahzia by the way?

it will be a tough ask for anyone to listen to albanias request, quite simply, because no one has ever cared for albania or what she thinks.

there we see that it is a greater-albanian project indeed.

otherwise, there would not be an Albanian from Tirana going out to South-America...

but after all that makes no difference. Serbia will prevail.

Can anyone tell me why the Deputy PM of a foreign state (Albania) is lobbying on behalf of Kosovo? Why can't Hyseni do this himself. Isn't that his job, which he supposedly paid to do and paid handsomely. You dont see high ranking Brazilian, Russian or Chinese senior ministers lobbying/making direct representations to foreign governments on behalf of Belgrade. Vuk hops on the plane and off he goes :)

How can anyone in Team Albania say with a straight face that it is all about self determination for the people of Kosovo? It is in my foot. If this isnt blatant promoting the pan -nationalist Greater Albanian agenda, then quite frankly I dont know what is.

Not to nit-pick, but isn't lobbying for Kosovo's recognition supposed to be Hysterical Skender's job? Or is he not allowed to travel to places other than New York and Washington?

Isn't it also a little late in the game for Meta to be doing this? Jeremic has been running around the world playing the NAM card for two years now. What does Tirana have to offer?

Niall O'Doherty,

Why we, the West, US and most of EU, are still saying we are believing the fairy tale of 'the peoples of Kosovo want independence' when it is only really the Albanians wanting a second Albanian state....

I really do not understand!

Nick, Albania was full of KLA camps, and believe me, Albania helped arm the KLA quite well. So don't give us the BS about Belgrade arming Serbs in Bosnia. BTW, isn't that famous organ donor building, the yellow one, in Albania? Albania is lobbying for Kosovo because Kosovo is full of Albanians, dah!

it will be a tough ask for anyone to listen to albanias request, quite simply, because no one has ever cared for albania or what she thinks.
(ilija mihic, 31 August 2010, 21:46)

The usual Serb fooling himself into believing self0propagated superiority complex. Lets put it this way it is better than being bombed right at the turn of the century.

Kosovars helped forge the indendent state of Albania in 1912 by rebelling against Serbia and keeping them busy until the Albanian delegation declared independence in Vlora.

Atthe time Serbia planned to take Northern Albania and therefore secure its sea access.

A group of Kosovars led by Isa Boletini fought the Serbs while retreating from Mitrovica all the way to Durres in order to keep the Serbian army busy until independence could be declared on November 28th.

Now, the Albanian Foreign Minister lobbying in South America for Kosovar independence has nothing to do with Greater Albania, which is a concept not supported by Albanians in general for several reasons, the most important of which is the importance of maintaining the balance of power betwen the Northern and Southern parts of Albanian inhabited lands. A Greater Albania is not viable and very very few Albanians approve the idea.

FM Meta is lobbying because any Government in Tirana has the obligation to help Kosova any way it can because if they dont history will judge them very harshly and they know that.

I dont see what is wrong with Albania helping us secure our independence, i mean after all Serbia went much further when it armed their bretheren in Bosia and Croatia to the teeth.

Why is Albania not lobbying for Abkahzia by the way?
(Ron, 31 August 2010, 16:35)


You probably meant Russia. oh, but Russia has pushed very hard and tried to coerce other countries to recognize Abhkazi, but to no avail.

While going to Guatemala (a Russian stooge), is a long shot let us not discount Albania altogether. After all, China (People's Republic of) owes its seat in the UN to Albania's lobbying. It used to belong to China (Taiwan)

Good luck to the Albanian PM in convincing these Central American nations in recognizing Kosovo's status as a sovereign entity.

Now, the Albanian Foreign Minister lobbying in South America for Kosovar independence has nothing to do with Greater Albania, which is a concept not supported by Albanians in general for several reasons, the most important of which is the importance of maintaining the balance of power betwen the Northern and Southern parts of Albanian inhabited lands.
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Nick this tripe you cook is pure tribal speculation. Please have a look at page at page 43 (fig 6) of this report from the International Commission on the Balkans
http://www.cls-sofia.org/uploads/files/Projects%20files/International%20Commission%20on%20the%20Balkans.pdf

Jovan, Albanians only wish is for a fair and equitable compromise. Their main wish is to incorporate all their peoples into one so called State institution. Call it Albania, Illyria, call it what you will. In order to disprove our “fascist agenda” we also wish to incorporate 2 million ethnic Serbian people and their lands into this so called state “not to subjugate them” although they will have no right to participate in the general elections of the so called state or mother country. These ethnic Serbs however will have the greatest autonomy you can imagine whereby they can elect their own leaders within well defined boundaries where they are in majority only. They will also have the added advantage of choosing Albanian as their mother tongue.

"Tirana has been in constant contact with diplomats from the European Union and U.S. and has been trying to secure new recognitions of Kosovo as an independent state"

Not only Jeremic knows how and where to travel. Every move is very well coordinated with allies.

@Niall O'Doherty

so what if albania does? what business is that of yours? and so what if other countries do the same?

why you mad tho?

Serbia would LOVE for high ranking Brazilian, Russian or Chinese diplos do the same.

serb apologists are still deluding themselves that they have great friends.... it is a propagandist assumption that countries that havent recognized kosovo as of yet... as somehow being friends of serbia.

Other Nations have to tip toe around the issue to insure their own interests arent effected... they could care less about either serbia or kosovo. but the ineffectual lip service a tiny fraction pulls out, really meant for its own population is free and easy, actually going to bat for serbia is an entirely different matter.

and in that respect, serbias "friends" dont see the worth in doing so.

Can anyone tell me why the Deputy PM of a foreign state (Albania) is lobbying on behalf of Kosovo? Why can't Hyseni do this himself. Isn't that his job, which he supposedly paid to do and paid handsomely. You dont see high ranking Brazilian, Russian or Chinese senior ministers lobbying/making direct representations to foreign governments on behalf of Belgrade. Vuk hops on the plane and off he goes :)

(Niall O'Doherty, 31 August 2010 16:10)

Without Russia, Vuk would be nothing, just like Hyseni with out U.S.

Dont you realize that Serbia is small?

as for "The usual Serb fooling himself into believing self0propagated superiority complex." like Gjoni( or Gioni or Johny or whatever ) wrote it:

having a sound consciousness for the own history and and achievements is certainly not linked to a superiority-complex, my dear.

wouldn´t you say that it is rather the usual k-albanian attitude to caress the albanian soul with "thousands of years old" illyrian descent ?

but, that´s not what I would call a superiority-complex, but rather the clear signs of a strong inferiority-complex.

nevertheless, you are free to believe what you want, in southern Serbia.

last but not least, what I found quite amusing:

" Lets put it this way it is better than being bombed right at the turn of the century.
(johny, 1 September 2010 00:40)"

well, let´s just see what future brings. and I do not mean that as an offense or insult or so...

it´s just that I think that you are amazingly overestimating your importance and your "friendship" with the US of A.

the US will leave the Balkans, just like they left Germany a few years ago.

and, you should be aware that without the US "protecting" you, your socalled "independence" is just a word in the wind.

this is also not meant as an insult, only the attempt to make it clear to you that you are off the way...

it´s just time for your to wake up and be realistic, instead of acting like a little child with writing to the Serbs to "get over it".

so much venom for Albania and Albanians. I would say to Serbs, Kosova is NO longer yours. GET OVER IT. Too much hate toward Albanians for a small piece of land. If Serbs want Kosova, Serbs should want Croatia, Sllovenia, Montenegro, Macedonia. Why aren't the Serbs wanting to RE-claim the entire old-Yugoslavia? One more time, get over Kosova. It belongs to the Albanias of that land.

Jovan, Albanians only wish is for a fair and equitable compromise. Their main wish is to incorporate all their peoples into one so called State institution. Call it Albania, Illyria, call it what you will. In order to disprove our “fascist agenda” we also wish to incorporate 2 million ethnic Serbian people and their lands into this so called state “not to subjugate them” although they will have no right to participate in the general elections of the so called state or mother country. These ethnic Serbs however will have the greatest autonomy you can imagine whereby they can elect their own leaders within well defined boundaries where they are in majority only. They will also have the added advantage of choosing Albanian as their mother tongue.

it will be a tough ask for anyone to listen to albanias request, quite simply, because no one has ever cared for albania or what she thinks.
(ilija mihic, 31 August 2010, 21:46)

The usual Serb fooling himself into believing self0propagated superiority complex. Lets put it this way it is better than being bombed right at the turn of the century.

While going to Guatemala (a Russian stooge), is a long shot let us not discount Albania altogether. After all, China (People's Republic of) owes its seat in the UN to Albania's lobbying. It used to belong to China (Taiwan)

Kosovars helped forge the indendent state of Albania in 1912 by rebelling against Serbia and keeping them busy until the Albanian delegation declared independence in Vlora.

Atthe time Serbia planned to take Northern Albania and therefore secure its sea access.

A group of Kosovars led by Isa Boletini fought the Serbs while retreating from Mitrovica all the way to Durres in order to keep the Serbian army busy until independence could be declared on November 28th.

Now, the Albanian Foreign Minister lobbying in South America for Kosovar independence has nothing to do with Greater Albania, which is a concept not supported by Albanians in general for several reasons, the most important of which is the importance of maintaining the balance of power betwen the Northern and Southern parts of Albanian inhabited lands. A Greater Albania is not viable and very very few Albanians approve the idea.

FM Meta is lobbying because any Government in Tirana has the obligation to help Kosova any way it can because if they dont history will judge them very harshly and they know that.

I dont see what is wrong with Albania helping us secure our independence, i mean after all Serbia went much further when it armed their bretheren in Bosia and Croatia to the teeth.

Now, the Albanian Foreign Minister lobbying in South America for Kosovar independence has nothing to do with Greater Albania, which is a concept not supported by Albanians in general for several reasons, the most important of which is the importance of maintaining the balance of power betwen the Northern and Southern parts of Albanian inhabited lands.
-----------------------------
Nick this tripe you cook is pure tribal speculation. Please have a look at page at page 43 (fig 6) of this report from the International Commission on the Balkans
http://www.cls-sofia.org/uploads/files/Projects%20files/International%20Commission%20on%20the%20Balkans.pdf

One more time, get over Kosova. It belongs to the Albanias of that land.
(Jimmy, 1 September 2010 00:44)
======================

Says you. I suggest you build a bridge as you can't take our Kosovo away.

Why is Albania not lobbying for Abkahzia by the way?
(Ron, 31 August 2010, 16:35)


You probably meant Russia. oh, but Russia has pushed very hard and tried to coerce other countries to recognize Abhkazi, but to no avail.

Jovan, Albanians only wish is for a fair and equitable compromise. Their main wish is to incorporate all their peoples into one so called State institution. Call it Albania, Illyria, call it what you will. In order to disprove our “fascist agenda” we also wish to incorporate 2 million ethnic Serbian people and their lands into this so called state “not to subjugate them” although they will have no right to participate in the general elections of the so called state or mother country. These ethnic Serbs however will have the greatest autonomy you can imagine whereby they can elect their own leaders within well defined boundaries where they are in majority only. They will also have the added advantage of choosing Albanian as their mother tongue.
(our equitable solution, 1 September 2010 08:48)

First off, what advantage is there in learning Albanian???

As for autonomy, this is ridiculous... first off your so-called PM denied considering it. Second of all autonomy was not good enough for you so why should it be good enough for us?

As for Serbian elections - you Albanians cannot deny Serbs the right to vote in them, nor can you stop them. Get used to it.

there we see that it is a greater-albanian project indeed.

otherwise, there would not be an Albanian from Tirana going out to South-America...

but after all that makes no difference. Serbia will prevail.

If Kosovo really has nothing to do with Albiania, if Kosovo really is a post-nationalistic state.... then why Albania is lobbying for Kosovo?

Why is Albania not lobbying for Abkahzia by the way?

it will be a tough ask for anyone to listen to albanias request, quite simply, because no one has ever cared for albania or what she thinks.

"Tirana has been in constant contact with diplomats from the European Union and U.S. and has been trying to secure new recognitions of Kosovo as an independent state"

Not only Jeremic knows how and where to travel. Every move is very well coordinated with allies.

Can anyone tell me why the Deputy PM of a foreign state (Albania) is lobbying on behalf of Kosovo? Why can't Hyseni do this himself. Isn't that his job, which he supposedly paid to do and paid handsomely. You dont see high ranking Brazilian, Russian or Chinese senior ministers lobbying/making direct representations to foreign governments on behalf of Belgrade. Vuk hops on the plane and off he goes :)

How can anyone in Team Albania say with a straight face that it is all about self determination for the people of Kosovo? It is in my foot. If this isnt blatant promoting the pan -nationalist Greater Albanian agenda, then quite frankly I dont know what is.

Nick, Albania was full of KLA camps, and believe me, Albania helped arm the KLA quite well. So don't give us the BS about Belgrade arming Serbs in Bosnia. BTW, isn't that famous organ donor building, the yellow one, in Albania? Albania is lobbying for Kosovo because Kosovo is full of Albanians, dah!

Good luck to the Albanian PM in convincing these Central American nations in recognizing Kosovo's status as a sovereign entity.

Albania lobbying for recognitions! That one sentence speaks volumes as to the actual end game being planned. Heres an idea America, why dont you scaremonger everyone with stories about the plans for a Greater Serbia and use that as a smoke screen for the story of a Greater Albania. No, surely not, that would be unbelievable.....

as for "The usual Serb fooling himself into believing self0propagated superiority complex." like Gjoni( or Gioni or Johny or whatever ) wrote it:

having a sound consciousness for the own history and and achievements is certainly not linked to a superiority-complex, my dear.

wouldn´t you say that it is rather the usual k-albanian attitude to caress the albanian soul with "thousands of years old" illyrian descent ?

but, that´s not what I would call a superiority-complex, but rather the clear signs of a strong inferiority-complex.

nevertheless, you are free to believe what you want, in southern Serbia.

last but not least, what I found quite amusing:

" Lets put it this way it is better than being bombed right at the turn of the century.
(johny, 1 September 2010 00:40)"

well, let´s just see what future brings. and I do not mean that as an offense or insult or so...

it´s just that I think that you are amazingly overestimating your importance and your "friendship" with the US of A.

the US will leave the Balkans, just like they left Germany a few years ago.

and, you should be aware that without the US "protecting" you, your socalled "independence" is just a word in the wind.

this is also not meant as an insult, only the attempt to make it clear to you that you are off the way...

it´s just time for your to wake up and be realistic, instead of acting like a little child with writing to the Serbs to "get over it".

Not to nit-pick, but isn't lobbying for Kosovo's recognition supposed to be Hysterical Skender's job? Or is he not allowed to travel to places other than New York and Washington?

Isn't it also a little late in the game for Meta to be doing this? Jeremic has been running around the world playing the NAM card for two years now. What does Tirana have to offer?

Can anyone tell me why the Deputy PM of a foreign state (Albania) is lobbying on behalf of Kosovo? Why can't Hyseni do this himself. Isn't that his job, which he supposedly paid to do and paid handsomely. You dont see high ranking Brazilian, Russian or Chinese senior ministers lobbying/making direct representations to foreign governments on behalf of Belgrade. Vuk hops on the plane and off he goes :)

(Niall O'Doherty, 31 August 2010 16:10)

Without Russia, Vuk would be nothing, just like Hyseni with out U.S.

Dont you realize that Serbia is small?

@Niall O'Doherty

so what if albania does? what business is that of yours? and so what if other countries do the same?

why you mad tho?

Serbia would LOVE for high ranking Brazilian, Russian or Chinese diplos do the same.

serb apologists are still deluding themselves that they have great friends.... it is a propagandist assumption that countries that havent recognized kosovo as of yet... as somehow being friends of serbia.

Other Nations have to tip toe around the issue to insure their own interests arent effected... they could care less about either serbia or kosovo. but the ineffectual lip service a tiny fraction pulls out, really meant for its own population is free and easy, actually going to bat for serbia is an entirely different matter.

and in that respect, serbias "friends" dont see the worth in doing so.

Niall O'Doherty,

Why we, the West, US and most of EU, are still saying we are believing the fairy tale of 'the peoples of Kosovo want independence' when it is only really the Albanians wanting a second Albanian state....

I really do not understand!