British foreign minister to visit Belgrade

This Hague is extremely anti-
Serb, and has hired a Bosnian muslim as his helper. I would definitely not even let him into the country, because he is an affront to all Serbs, and all things Serbian.
First we have the German, now Hague, the only Serb hate monger that is missing is Hillary, I wonder when she is coming to town so that she can talk to Ceda Jovanovic?
My advice to Serbia is this: Sit tight, wait it out, every day the west gest weaker, and Russia/Serbia get stronger, financial collapse of the EU and USA are not that far off.

It is game over for Serbia. Recognize Kosovo as fast as possible if you want to be a EU-member and have prosperity for your people. Stop wasting time because nobody can change the reality on the ground and yes Kosovo is functional with a goverment, police force and an army.

Serbia has lost the war against albanians and it's allies and Kosovo will allways be independent and nobody can change that. Period!!
(Demi, 30 August 2010 10:51

The game has only begun and NO recognition on Kosovo and we don’t care about joining the EU. Prison Kosovo continues unabated.
If Serbia’s has lost the war against the great Albos and their powerful allies why are they bothering with Serbia at all??????? The US should pick up the phone and demand recognition and get it.
Why this parade of US/EU/UK officials???? You don’t get it; do you? They can’t do a thing, not a blessed thing, about the situation except bleat like sheep, ha, ha, ha.
These western clowns think they can talk the Serbs to death. Let me repeat for the fiftieth time; the US/EU should have done this in the late 1990s not now – it’s all too, too late much the same as with Republika Srpska.
Now we are getting our back by slowly watching the US sink into financial oblivion, ha, ha, ha.
Oh, by the way Kosovo has no real functioning police, government or army. You need to raise revenue to have those institutions but you Albos live off EU handouts and nothing else. In fact your allies would never allow you guys to have any type of army – they are afraid of getting shot in the back by their friends. They are even more afraid of Albos turning feral and adopting radical Islam.

I'd love to know why the EU is so afraid of the outcome of the resolution that Serbia submitted to the UNGA.

German & Britsh FMs' visits inside a week show that something is about to brew.
I think the time has come for the 'EU Elite' to conduct a serious moral inventory of themselves and to consider the benefits of embracing the concept of 'honesty' - something which has eluded them for decades.
They must remember that the United Nations is the closest thing we have to World government - the EU and/or NATO will never attain such a World standing.

MB,Ireland

Just look at all these desperate Albanians and their supporters coming on this forum day in and day out begging/ordering Serbia to recognise their little statelet.

Well I read the same comments but I didn't notice any desperation or begging since time is definitely on the K-Albanians' side. Desperation is definitely on your side by trying to go to the GA and spending all your energies to prevent further recognitions.
(Joe, 30 August 2010 17:23)
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Don't you worry about Serbia energy. There is plenty of that but your masters are spending money. Big money, money they don't have.
Now who has potential to last longer?
So how do you figure that time is on Kosovo's side?

Is it just my imagination or are our ethnic Albanian posters here sounding ever more desperate day by day?

Follow the path to peace and all will be fine. Even our western "partners" look worried. I'd say Serbia has a "guardian angel" looking after us. :)

Demi...you are right, no country in the world can stop Kosovo from independence...except for one..Serbia.

Deal with it, if you can. Whatever happens in the now, you can bet the house in Vegas that some time in the future, Serbia will prevail over this illegal bastard state run by terrorists and mafia henchmen. NATO will collapse, EU will disolve, and all that will be left is a divided Europe with Serbia on your doorstep. That is the sound of inevitability, bank on it.

My honest suggestions would be to stop pounding your chest like you are the master himself and talk this out with Serbia. Come to a compromise that gives both sides the respect we ALL deserve.

Joe

And thats from the same guy that cries about Russian "rudeness" and arrogance.
Get over it,you lost Vojvodina in 1918 and there doesn`t exist any force in the world and no amount of hate that will take it back to you,its over.
You attacked us like hyenas in the 90s and still you dodn`t achieve your goals and you won`t.
And now go back to your german masters and complain to them how bad the evil,evil Russkies were treating you.

Bilbao what is strange to me is this attitude that a country must give up its territory in return for aid / qualification for economic programmes. Have you swallowed a servile pill?

BTW I'm not at all sure that this is what the EU is asking for. That was your ill thought statement.

Using your way of thinking the EU should be in Kosovo almost forever, that is until Kosovo does not need EU support / money. That is ridiculous.

Anyway lets see what Hague has really come to say. I believe that he could have repeated the official position on the phone. This way I actually think he is coming with some kind of offer, whether its a bad offer or not is another question.

"Serbia has lost the war against albanians and it's allies and Kosovo will allways be independent and nobody can change that. Period!!"

Interests change as does the balance of power...it's just a matter of time...

I agree with you with the phone call. The problem with Westerners is that they use too many diplomatic niceties with you. They should use blank talk. Any other talk you immediately interpret as weakness.
(Joe, 30 August 2010 15:20)

Armchair generals are a real problem in this forum. Once again this is not the 1990s but 2010 and the west has run out of steam – no money and little of anything lees but hot air.

After the great defeat of Serbia in the 1990s why would it be difficult to do the same again – muster your armies and force it to recognise an independent Kosovo.

Why this eternal talkfest from the US/Germany/UK and frowning at this or that idea – yak, yak, yak, yak Why is the EU unhappy about discussing Kosovo in the UN? What difference can it make if it is discussed?

It all comes down to the same problem – that’s all the west has left in its arsenal i.e. talking. Look at North Korea; the Us has just now announced new sanctions against it over the so called sinking of the South Korean ship and they are rolling on the ground laughing at it with gusto. Why make such a classic fool of yourself knowing that is for local home than serious action.

Asians see the west as a caricature straight out of Alice in Wonderland constantly calling for “Off with their heads, Off with their heads”.

It's amazing the number of times the same people come in here with their veiled threats of "we aren't talking to you" and "we are independent, and there is nothing you can do to stop us".

Serbia, and all of the countries which are not recognising your independence will all stop you from joining the UN.

The US and the UK / EU need to commence meaningful dialogue.

If Bosnia is forced together as a country, then really the same should exist for Serbia with Kosovo from a fair point of view.

Get ready for an observer seat deal at the UN with an autonomous republic structure with Kosovo getting its own seat at the EU with and under Serbia.

But this will probably take a year or so from here, unless UK and US believe they could be in trouble with the vote in a weeks time. If thats the case, it will come in the next 8 days....

It is game over for Serbia. Recognize Kosovo as fast as possible if you want to be a EU-member and have prosperity for your people. Stop wasting time because nobody can change the reality on the ground and yes Kosovo is functional with a goverment, police force and an army.

Serbia has lost the war against albanians and it's allies and Kosovo will allways be independent and nobody can change that. Period!!

Bilbao presumably Serbia wishes to join the EU and opposes the position of some of the more powerful countries in the EU on Kosovo. Simple really. There is no common EU position on Kosovo, do you understand that?

Unless you are saying that EU countries that have not recognised Kosovo should be thrown out then I don't understand either your point or the principle here.

And if the Serbian minister said that EU money is not threatened by the Serbian position on Kosovo, which it is not, then it is you that needs a prescription, or to be educated on how EU funds are not conditional on foreign policy of countries.

So let me get this clear you think that the EU should fund Kosovo without conditions, but Serbia should not be funded without conditions and yet Kosovo should not be allowed in the EU?

Apparantly its a state holiday in a number of countries so the extended 'silly' seasonal weekend will continue until tomorrow...

This is typical of the west pandering to Muslim interests at Serbia’s expense. It’s ridiculous to have a Bosnian Muslim as an advisor unless he also has a Bosnian Serb as a parallel advisor just to get a balanced view! I’m a British born Serb and wouldn’t be so presumptuous. Couldn’t she have used her talents elsewhere? You really have to question Ms Helic’s motives. I believe she left Bosnia as an impressionable teenager.

Prior to bombing Baghdad, Blair boasted that he had supported Muslim interests in Bosnia at Serbia’s expense. Blair was suggesting that he was an honest broker who supported the ‘Muslim cause’ he did this to gain the support of the Arab world for his campaign against Saddam. Let’s hope that neither Serbia nor the Muslim world will allow themselves to be manipulated by the West’s hidden agendas.

As for Hague and the UK,

the UK is broke in therefore has no influence whatever except for blustering statements.
It has become a hole in the same rank as Romania,Poland,Italy or other mid sized,middle developed countries.
So we should simply ignore their opinion.
If they (the EU) push too hard they will be gently reminded by the Russians to start behaving.
One telephone call from Moscow and EU leaders will start talking about a bright EU future for Serbia gain!
The Russians have the power to destroy their industries by shutting down gas delieveries or popping the price up in no time...

William Hague has the funniest voice in British politics, try and listen out for it.

"Its more like your rich neighbor who's parked his tank in his backyard and you owe money to him. The dues are coming soon."


The EU is a worthless paper tiger that is basically bancrupt.
The southern member states are bancrupt and were spending money they didn`t have and the northern member states were 70 % exporting their goods into those countries,and now this artificial cycle has stopped.
The Germans will indebt themselves up to the neck to save countries like Greece while the export story into these countries will stop with fatal consequences for their economies.
On top of that,these countries are defetistic and pacifistic unless the US.
The only power that is sheltering Albanians is the US but its ship is sinking rapidly.
And we Serbs are on the shore waiting for you Albanians to come out of that ship.
Sooner or later we will be there,count on it.

"They should use blank talk. Any other talk you immediately interpret as weakness."

Joe,

You are right! When Richard Holbrooke went to see Milosevic for serious talks, he ignored him thinking "the West is not serious". I hope Tadic has taken seriously the visit of the German foreign minister and so he will do with William Hague...Let's wait and see.

"Anyway lets see what Hague has really come to say. I believe that he could have repeated the official position on the phone. "
bganon

I agree with you with the phone call. The problem with Westerners is that they use too many diplomatic niceties with you. They should use blank talk. Any other talk you immediately interpret as weakness.

So EU please keep giving me Money, but I dont need to Join you if you dont do what Serbia wants.

Sorry this is not Yugoslavia, and if you dot like to be in EU then you should not be asking for money.

This to me is so so strange

Bilbao really you are talking nonsense now. Who in Serbia is talking about road signs or fishing in the danube? Nobody, that is who. Hence your point is ridiculous.

Also you are confusing EU funds with direct aid from EU countries which is a different thing entirely. If you want to talk about direct aid from rich countries of the EU fine, but that has nothing to do with Serbian membership / non membership of the EU.

I'm afraid you need to educate yourself both about how the EU operates and about what is considered important in Serbia.

"But in this article your minister said our EU money is not in jeopardy so maybe you should go take some pills and try to understand what Serbian politicions have to say."
bilbao

The main thing for them is the money. They badly need it and no other country can provide it. On the other hand they want to impose their will on the EU. I think for the EU it is high time to state that Serbia can't have it both ways.

"Despite the tense relations between Belgrade and Brussels, mainly because of this resolution, Janković said that the funds that the EU is giving Serbian from its IPA funds are not at risk of being taken away or stopped. "


-- Wait wait. Let me get this. So Serbia wants EU money but not be influenced by the those in the EU that give her the money. There is no such thing in the world as free money. You either take it and be aware that taking it means that those that give it you have power over you or refuse to take it and not listen to them. Its that simple. Some of your leaders seem to really have no clue about this world. It seems because they were so sheltered in their upbringing and daddy payed everything (Jeremic and Taidc). However growing up like that they haven't learned how to behave when you're poor. Now they still see the EU as their rich daddy that they can demand as much money they want and at the same time manipulate them into illogic demands daddy always fulfilled. The EU is not your daddy. Its more like your rich neighbor who's parked his tank in his backyard and you owe money to him. The dues are coming soon.

"Have you swallowed a servile pill?"

Like you?

Why have any opinion at all? You and your diminishing Otpor pals signed in for this and whatever they wants when you sold your souls to rent-a-crowd for "regime change". If that pill starts to make you sick now, it´s a bit late don´t you think?

Oh, and havent you heard? Serbia and georgia are the only countries where western engineerd "regime change" havn´t been rolled back yet, if Serbia "falls" you can always join the Georgian dictator & your Kmara offspring, the "world" is getting smaller...

@ CG:
"...(UK) has become a hole in the same rank as Romania, Poland, Italy or other mid sized, middle developed countries."
Well, I should be proud whenever my country Romania is compared with UK, but something in your tone makes me think this time I should be cautious :)

Bilbao what is strange to me is this attitude that a country must give up its territory in return for aid / qualification for economic programmes. Have you swallowed a servile pill?

BTW I'm not at all sure that this is what the EU is asking for. That was your ill thought statement.

Using your way of thinking the EU should be in Kosovo almost forever, that is until Kosovo does not need EU support / money. That is ridiculous.

Anyway lets see what Hague has really come to say. I believe that he could have repeated the official position on the phone. This way I actually think he is coming with some kind of offer, whether its a bad offer or not is another question.
(bganon, 30 August 2010 11:54)

I have not taken any pills and dont understand what you wanted to say with it. If Serbia does not like Political pushing of an organization (political and Economical Body) than why does it want to join it.

So Serbia need to make up her mind not EU and EU has been saying to Serbia take resulution make the changes or else no EU no Resolution. But in this article your minister said our EU money is not in jeopardy so maybe you should go take some pills and try to understand what Serbian politicions have to say.

As per Kosovo its far from EU and it should not be in EU any time soon.

"So how do you figure that time is on Kosovo's side?
(Peggy, 30 August 2010 23:01) "

Well ...

Assuming that there is a frozen conflict, as you suggest, who's in the better position to last it out? Everything here depends on the percentage change in the "right" direction as perceived by the respective peoples. This is where I see the Albanians' advantage - there are so many ways in which they can improve compared to the present state - they're coming off a lower base here. Slow improvements beat slow declines.

So: "white Schengen" (roadmap in September), joining FIFA or (2nd best) UEFA ("come back when you have 100 recognitions" - they should pick up at least some recognitions after the GA, they'll get there), improvements to the economy if only through increased remittances as Germany starts up its temporary worker program for non-EU members; improved infrastructure; increased opportunities for higher education (new university in Prizren), opportunities for call-center work because of high rate of knowledge of German (don't knock it - look what it did for India); improved legal conditions (they're working on legalizing all the wild postwar building); growing - but slowly growing - population (rapidly growing, compared to Serbia's falling numbers).

Ok, I'm getting tired, but you get the point: the Albanians can realistically keep saying "every day in every way, things are getting better and better."

While Serbia - if it remains outside the EU while it continues to torment Kosovo - can only look forward to a steady decline, comparatively speaking. (Production per capita-wise, they're already behind Bulgaria and Romania.) Simply having to listen to Croatia being described as the leader in the region may lead to an even greater "brain drain." And a rising generation that begins increasingly to wonder, what the heck is this problem with Kosovo all about?

So while nobody is cheering for a frozen conflict, I figure the Albanians can endure one better. And as for outside help from the BRIC countries - don't count on it: they've got enormous populations of their own to lift out of poverty, do they really want to adopt a Serbia that's on the outs with the EU and the US?

"I'd love to know why the EU is so afraid of the outcome of the resolution that Serbia submitted to the UNGA."

Micheal B,

Soon you will find out. It is another warnig given to Serbia to withdraw the draft resolution or it will be defeated again. Another reason is that the West is having enough with Serbia of blaiming the other for its failures, like the ICJ if you can recall.

Bilbao presumably Serbia wishes to join the EU and opposes the position of some of the more powerful countries in the EU on Kosovo. Simple really. There is no common EU position on Kosovo, do you understand that?
(bganon, 30 August 2010 18:34)

Yes sure some EU countries its 22 so much much more than majority. And I am sure Greece is not sending any aid to Serbia, Nor is Cypres nor Slovakia nor Rumania or Spain all in bad bad condition.

So I think Serbia should not join EU if they dont want to do things together with EU. Whne u join EU they will even tell u how to make road signs, how much to fish to get from danub etc hence u are not ready for that do not Join.

(Colin, 31 August 2010 09:47)
What is amazing is the people who think that by ranting "We will stop you from becoming a full UN member" is suddenly going to make people think oh well none of this worth it we should just go back and live an oppressive existence in Serbia (without a UN member seat).
Are you really so naive that you think all this is for a UN membership. It is a goal but not one that would return anyone to the past.
And as long as Serbia keeps waving the banner of "never recognizing an independent Kosovo" there is nothing to discuss.

It is game over for Serbia. Recognize Kosovo as fast as possible if you want to be a EU-member and have prosperity for your people. Stop wasting time because nobody can change the reality on the ground and yes Kosovo is functional with a goverment, police force and an army.

Serbia has lost the war against albanians and it's allies and Kosovo will allways be independent and nobody can change that. Period!!

"Anyway lets see what Hague has really come to say. I believe that he could have repeated the official position on the phone. "
bganon

I agree with you with the phone call. The problem with Westerners is that they use too many diplomatic niceties with you. They should use blank talk. Any other talk you immediately interpret as weakness.

"They should use blank talk. Any other talk you immediately interpret as weakness."

Joe,

You are right! When Richard Holbrooke went to see Milosevic for serious talks, he ignored him thinking "the West is not serious". I hope Tadic has taken seriously the visit of the German foreign minister and so he will do with William Hague...Let's wait and see.

"But in this article your minister said our EU money is not in jeopardy so maybe you should go take some pills and try to understand what Serbian politicions have to say."
bilbao

The main thing for them is the money. They badly need it and no other country can provide it. On the other hand they want to impose their will on the EU. I think for the EU it is high time to state that Serbia can't have it both ways.

So EU please keep giving me Money, but I dont need to Join you if you dont do what Serbia wants.

Sorry this is not Yugoslavia, and if you dot like to be in EU then you should not be asking for money.

This to me is so so strange

"I'd love to know why the EU is so afraid of the outcome of the resolution that Serbia submitted to the UNGA."

Micheal B,

Soon you will find out. It is another warnig given to Serbia to withdraw the draft resolution or it will be defeated again. Another reason is that the West is having enough with Serbia of blaiming the other for its failures, like the ICJ if you can recall.

Bilbao what is strange to me is this attitude that a country must give up its territory in return for aid / qualification for economic programmes. Have you swallowed a servile pill?

BTW I'm not at all sure that this is what the EU is asking for. That was your ill thought statement.

Using your way of thinking the EU should be in Kosovo almost forever, that is until Kosovo does not need EU support / money. That is ridiculous.

Anyway lets see what Hague has really come to say. I believe that he could have repeated the official position on the phone. This way I actually think he is coming with some kind of offer, whether its a bad offer or not is another question.
(bganon, 30 August 2010 11:54)

I have not taken any pills and dont understand what you wanted to say with it. If Serbia does not like Political pushing of an organization (political and Economical Body) than why does it want to join it.

So Serbia need to make up her mind not EU and EU has been saying to Serbia take resulution make the changes or else no EU no Resolution. But in this article your minister said our EU money is not in jeopardy so maybe you should go take some pills and try to understand what Serbian politicions have to say.

As per Kosovo its far from EU and it should not be in EU any time soon.

"Have you swallowed a servile pill?"

Like you?

Why have any opinion at all? You and your diminishing Otpor pals signed in for this and whatever they wants when you sold your souls to rent-a-crowd for "regime change". If that pill starts to make you sick now, it´s a bit late don´t you think?

Oh, and havent you heard? Serbia and georgia are the only countries where western engineerd "regime change" havn´t been rolled back yet, if Serbia "falls" you can always join the Georgian dictator & your Kmara offspring, the "world" is getting smaller...

"So how do you figure that time is on Kosovo's side?
(Peggy, 30 August 2010 23:01) "

Well ...

Assuming that there is a frozen conflict, as you suggest, who's in the better position to last it out? Everything here depends on the percentage change in the "right" direction as perceived by the respective peoples. This is where I see the Albanians' advantage - there are so many ways in which they can improve compared to the present state - they're coming off a lower base here. Slow improvements beat slow declines.

So: "white Schengen" (roadmap in September), joining FIFA or (2nd best) UEFA ("come back when you have 100 recognitions" - they should pick up at least some recognitions after the GA, they'll get there), improvements to the economy if only through increased remittances as Germany starts up its temporary worker program for non-EU members; improved infrastructure; increased opportunities for higher education (new university in Prizren), opportunities for call-center work because of high rate of knowledge of German (don't knock it - look what it did for India); improved legal conditions (they're working on legalizing all the wild postwar building); growing - but slowly growing - population (rapidly growing, compared to Serbia's falling numbers).

Ok, I'm getting tired, but you get the point: the Albanians can realistically keep saying "every day in every way, things are getting better and better."

While Serbia - if it remains outside the EU while it continues to torment Kosovo - can only look forward to a steady decline, comparatively speaking. (Production per capita-wise, they're already behind Bulgaria and Romania.) Simply having to listen to Croatia being described as the leader in the region may lead to an even greater "brain drain." And a rising generation that begins increasingly to wonder, what the heck is this problem with Kosovo all about?

So while nobody is cheering for a frozen conflict, I figure the Albanians can endure one better. And as for outside help from the BRIC countries - don't count on it: they've got enormous populations of their own to lift out of poverty, do they really want to adopt a Serbia that's on the outs with the EU and the US?

"Despite the tense relations between Belgrade and Brussels, mainly because of this resolution, Janković said that the funds that the EU is giving Serbian from its IPA funds are not at risk of being taken away or stopped. "


-- Wait wait. Let me get this. So Serbia wants EU money but not be influenced by the those in the EU that give her the money. There is no such thing in the world as free money. You either take it and be aware that taking it means that those that give it you have power over you or refuse to take it and not listen to them. Its that simple. Some of your leaders seem to really have no clue about this world. It seems because they were so sheltered in their upbringing and daddy payed everything (Jeremic and Taidc). However growing up like that they haven't learned how to behave when you're poor. Now they still see the EU as their rich daddy that they can demand as much money they want and at the same time manipulate them into illogic demands daddy always fulfilled. The EU is not your daddy. Its more like your rich neighbor who's parked his tank in his backyard and you owe money to him. The dues are coming soon.

Bilbao presumably Serbia wishes to join the EU and opposes the position of some of the more powerful countries in the EU on Kosovo. Simple really. There is no common EU position on Kosovo, do you understand that?
(bganon, 30 August 2010 18:34)

Yes sure some EU countries its 22 so much much more than majority. And I am sure Greece is not sending any aid to Serbia, Nor is Cypres nor Slovakia nor Rumania or Spain all in bad bad condition.

So I think Serbia should not join EU if they dont want to do things together with EU. Whne u join EU they will even tell u how to make road signs, how much to fish to get from danub etc hence u are not ready for that do not Join.

It is game over for Serbia. Recognize Kosovo as fast as possible if you want to be a EU-member and have prosperity for your people. Stop wasting time because nobody can change the reality on the ground and yes Kosovo is functional with a goverment, police force and an army.

Serbia has lost the war against albanians and it's allies and Kosovo will allways be independent and nobody can change that. Period!!
(Demi, 30 August 2010 10:51

The game has only begun and NO recognition on Kosovo and we don’t care about joining the EU. Prison Kosovo continues unabated.
If Serbia’s has lost the war against the great Albos and their powerful allies why are they bothering with Serbia at all??????? The US should pick up the phone and demand recognition and get it.
Why this parade of US/EU/UK officials???? You don’t get it; do you? They can’t do a thing, not a blessed thing, about the situation except bleat like sheep, ha, ha, ha.
These western clowns think they can talk the Serbs to death. Let me repeat for the fiftieth time; the US/EU should have done this in the late 1990s not now – it’s all too, too late much the same as with Republika Srpska.
Now we are getting our back by slowly watching the US sink into financial oblivion, ha, ha, ha.
Oh, by the way Kosovo has no real functioning police, government or army. You need to raise revenue to have those institutions but you Albos live off EU handouts and nothing else. In fact your allies would never allow you guys to have any type of army – they are afraid of getting shot in the back by their friends. They are even more afraid of Albos turning feral and adopting radical Islam.

Demi...you are right, no country in the world can stop Kosovo from independence...except for one..Serbia.

Deal with it, if you can. Whatever happens in the now, you can bet the house in Vegas that some time in the future, Serbia will prevail over this illegal bastard state run by terrorists and mafia henchmen. NATO will collapse, EU will disolve, and all that will be left is a divided Europe with Serbia on your doorstep. That is the sound of inevitability, bank on it.

My honest suggestions would be to stop pounding your chest like you are the master himself and talk this out with Serbia. Come to a compromise that gives both sides the respect we ALL deserve.

"Its more like your rich neighbor who's parked his tank in his backyard and you owe money to him. The dues are coming soon."


The EU is a worthless paper tiger that is basically bancrupt.
The southern member states are bancrupt and were spending money they didn`t have and the northern member states were 70 % exporting their goods into those countries,and now this artificial cycle has stopped.
The Germans will indebt themselves up to the neck to save countries like Greece while the export story into these countries will stop with fatal consequences for their economies.
On top of that,these countries are defetistic and pacifistic unless the US.
The only power that is sheltering Albanians is the US but its ship is sinking rapidly.
And we Serbs are on the shore waiting for you Albanians to come out of that ship.
Sooner or later we will be there,count on it.

Just look at all these desperate Albanians and their supporters coming on this forum day in and day out begging/ordering Serbia to recognise their little statelet.

Bilbao what is strange to me is this attitude that a country must give up its territory in return for aid / qualification for economic programmes. Have you swallowed a servile pill?

BTW I'm not at all sure that this is what the EU is asking for. That was your ill thought statement.

Using your way of thinking the EU should be in Kosovo almost forever, that is until Kosovo does not need EU support / money. That is ridiculous.

Anyway lets see what Hague has really come to say. I believe that he could have repeated the official position on the phone. This way I actually think he is coming with some kind of offer, whether its a bad offer or not is another question.

Is it just my imagination or are our ethnic Albanian posters here sounding ever more desperate day by day?

Follow the path to peace and all will be fine. Even our western "partners" look worried. I'd say Serbia has a "guardian angel" looking after us. :)

"Serbia has lost the war against albanians and it's allies and Kosovo will allways be independent and nobody can change that. Period!!"

Interests change as does the balance of power...it's just a matter of time...

Well I read the same comments but I didn't notice any desperation or begging since time is definitely on the K-Albanians' side. Desperation is definitely on your side by trying to go to the GA and spending all your energies to prevent further recognitions.
(Joe, 30 August 2010 17:23)
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Don't you worry about Serbia energy. There is plenty of that but your masters are spending money. Big money, money they don't have.
Now who has potential to last longer?
So how do you figure that time is on Kosovo's side?

As for Hague and the UK,

the UK is broke in therefore has no influence whatever except for blustering statements.
It has become a hole in the same rank as Romania,Poland,Italy or other mid sized,middle developed countries.
So we should simply ignore their opinion.
If they (the EU) push too hard they will be gently reminded by the Russians to start behaving.
One telephone call from Moscow and EU leaders will start talking about a bright EU future for Serbia gain!
The Russians have the power to destroy their industries by shutting down gas delieveries or popping the price up in no time...

This Hague is extremely anti-
Serb, and has hired a Bosnian muslim as his helper. I would definitely not even let him into the country, because he is an affront to all Serbs, and all things Serbian.
First we have the German, now Hague, the only Serb hate monger that is missing is Hillary, I wonder when she is coming to town so that she can talk to Ceda Jovanovic?
My advice to Serbia is this: Sit tight, wait it out, every day the west gest weaker, and Russia/Serbia get stronger, financial collapse of the EU and USA are not that far off.

William Hague has the funniest voice in British politics, try and listen out for it.

Joe

And thats from the same guy that cries about Russian "rudeness" and arrogance.
Get over it,you lost Vojvodina in 1918 and there doesn`t exist any force in the world and no amount of hate that will take it back to you,its over.
You attacked us like hyenas in the 90s and still you dodn`t achieve your goals and you won`t.
And now go back to your german masters and complain to them how bad the evil,evil Russkies were treating you.

I'd love to know why the EU is so afraid of the outcome of the resolution that Serbia submitted to the UNGA.

German & Britsh FMs' visits inside a week show that something is about to brew.
I think the time has come for the 'EU Elite' to conduct a serious moral inventory of themselves and to consider the benefits of embracing the concept of 'honesty' - something which has eluded them for decades.
They must remember that the United Nations is the closest thing we have to World government - the EU and/or NATO will never attain such a World standing.

MB,Ireland

@ CG:
"...(UK) has become a hole in the same rank as Romania, Poland, Italy or other mid sized, middle developed countries."
Well, I should be proud whenever my country Romania is compared with UK, but something in your tone makes me think this time I should be cautious :)

I agree with you with the phone call. The problem with Westerners is that they use too many diplomatic niceties with you. They should use blank talk. Any other talk you immediately interpret as weakness.
(Joe, 30 August 2010 15:20)

Armchair generals are a real problem in this forum. Once again this is not the 1990s but 2010 and the west has run out of steam – no money and little of anything lees but hot air.

After the great defeat of Serbia in the 1990s why would it be difficult to do the same again – muster your armies and force it to recognise an independent Kosovo.

Why this eternal talkfest from the US/Germany/UK and frowning at this or that idea – yak, yak, yak, yak Why is the EU unhappy about discussing Kosovo in the UN? What difference can it make if it is discussed?

It all comes down to the same problem – that’s all the west has left in its arsenal i.e. talking. Look at North Korea; the Us has just now announced new sanctions against it over the so called sinking of the South Korean ship and they are rolling on the ground laughing at it with gusto. Why make such a classic fool of yourself knowing that is for local home than serious action.

Asians see the west as a caricature straight out of Alice in Wonderland constantly calling for “Off with their heads, Off with their heads”.

Bilbao presumably Serbia wishes to join the EU and opposes the position of some of the more powerful countries in the EU on Kosovo. Simple really. There is no common EU position on Kosovo, do you understand that?

Unless you are saying that EU countries that have not recognised Kosovo should be thrown out then I don't understand either your point or the principle here.

And if the Serbian minister said that EU money is not threatened by the Serbian position on Kosovo, which it is not, then it is you that needs a prescription, or to be educated on how EU funds are not conditional on foreign policy of countries.

So let me get this clear you think that the EU should fund Kosovo without conditions, but Serbia should not be funded without conditions and yet Kosovo should not be allowed in the EU?

Apparantly its a state holiday in a number of countries so the extended 'silly' seasonal weekend will continue until tomorrow...

This is typical of the west pandering to Muslim interests at Serbia’s expense. It’s ridiculous to have a Bosnian Muslim as an advisor unless he also has a Bosnian Serb as a parallel advisor just to get a balanced view! I’m a British born Serb and wouldn’t be so presumptuous. Couldn’t she have used her talents elsewhere? You really have to question Ms Helic’s motives. I believe she left Bosnia as an impressionable teenager.

Prior to bombing Baghdad, Blair boasted that he had supported Muslim interests in Bosnia at Serbia’s expense. Blair was suggesting that he was an honest broker who supported the ‘Muslim cause’ he did this to gain the support of the Arab world for his campaign against Saddam. Let’s hope that neither Serbia nor the Muslim world will allow themselves to be manipulated by the West’s hidden agendas.

(Colin, 31 August 2010 09:47)
What is amazing is the people who think that by ranting "We will stop you from becoming a full UN member" is suddenly going to make people think oh well none of this worth it we should just go back and live an oppressive existence in Serbia (without a UN member seat).
Are you really so naive that you think all this is for a UN membership. It is a goal but not one that would return anyone to the past.
And as long as Serbia keeps waving the banner of "never recognizing an independent Kosovo" there is nothing to discuss.

Bilbao really you are talking nonsense now. Who in Serbia is talking about road signs or fishing in the danube? Nobody, that is who. Hence your point is ridiculous.

Also you are confusing EU funds with direct aid from EU countries which is a different thing entirely. If you want to talk about direct aid from rich countries of the EU fine, but that has nothing to do with Serbian membership / non membership of the EU.

I'm afraid you need to educate yourself both about how the EU operates and about what is considered important in Serbia.

It's amazing the number of times the same people come in here with their veiled threats of "we aren't talking to you" and "we are independent, and there is nothing you can do to stop us".

Serbia, and all of the countries which are not recognising your independence will all stop you from joining the UN.

The US and the UK / EU need to commence meaningful dialogue.

If Bosnia is forced together as a country, then really the same should exist for Serbia with Kosovo from a fair point of view.

Get ready for an observer seat deal at the UN with an autonomous republic structure with Kosovo getting its own seat at the EU with and under Serbia.

But this will probably take a year or so from here, unless UK and US believe they could be in trouble with the vote in a weeks time. If thats the case, it will come in the next 8 days....