Bosnia’s lack of clear stance “dangerous”

"Tadić said that insufficient clarity in relation to Serbia's integrity is very dangerous and brings no good to anyone, adding that most of all, it is poses a problem to Bosnia-Herzegovina itself."

The Serbian presindent is getting mad. It is not his business what Bosnia-Herzegovina decide at the UN. Bosnia-Herzegovina is an indpendent country and takes its decision based on its interest and constitution. I have my reservation about this country but as I have said in my comment few days ago, it will ABSTAIN.

"Meaning instead of two countries saying no to Kosovo in UN we will have at least seven the coming years: add Serbia and Bosnia.

And maybe in the far future: Ukraine. As Unkraine probably will also never recognize Kosovo!
Ron

Not a long list of countries. Nothing to breg about.

"Tadić said that insufficient clarity in relation to Serbia's integrity is very dangerous and brings no good to anyone, adding that most of all, it is poses a problem to Bosnia-Herzegovina itself."

This is a dangerous and provocative act on the part of tadic and his proxy dodik. how dare tadic issue such "veiled" threats against a neighbor, not to mention a neighbor with which serbia was recently at war. a neighbor which is still reeling from the hell of genocide committed in the name of the serbian people...

the belgrade regime continues the path of milosevic, but unable to use its armed forces, uses threats, veiled or otherwise. we need to respond appropriately.

Speaking of defense against serbian aggression, Illija Jurisic is still 'rotting' (as they like to say) in a serbian jail, hopefully awaiting the appeal process. we believe that he should immediately go free, based upon that sham of a trial and what has recently come out with the (failed) attempt to extradite Ganic.

we're hoping to get help from the NGOs in serbia (the ones that are silenced in these pages) to see and interview jurisic in a few months. i'll be happy to share what we learn.

the wheels of justice grind on slowly, as they say, but in that country i fear they grind backwards...

and thank god for Natasa Kandic, a true hero of our times.

ciao!

roberto/ frisco

‘Bosnia-Herzegovina is an ind(e)pendent country and takes its decision(s) based on its interest(s) and constitution. ‘
(EA, 29 August 2010)

Bosnia-Herzegovina is neither independent nor a country. It is a construct of Western geopolitical interests and makes it decisions based on that.

Interesting picture of both in Visegrad. Ataman do not forget what happened to the majority of the population in Višegrad and surrounding area. Since you are fond of links here is the despicable truth what happened to the majority http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%C5%A1egrad. Throw a wreath in the Drina or flowers for the countless victims. Do not be surprised when the "Srpska police" come out of the wood work and ask what do you think you are doing and give you a rough time.

The Serbian presindent is getting mad. It is not his business what Bosnia-Herzegovina decide at the UN. Bosnia-Herzegovina is an indpendent country and takes its decision based on its interest and constitution. I have my reservation about this country but as I have said in my comment few days ago, it will ABSTAIN.
(EA, 29 August 2010 12:06)

But this also means that Bosnia will say NO to Kosovo recognition. Meaning instead of two countries saying no to Kosovo in UN we will have at least seven the coming years: add Serbia and Bosnia.

And maybe in the far future: Ukraine. As Unkraine probably will also never recognize Kosovo!

Mr. TADIC you should be ashamed of yourself entering a town where countless Bosniaks were massacred on a daily basis while the Serbian gov. stood back and watched from the sidelines sipping 'LOZA'. Why haven't you condemned those crimes? Why haven't you mentioned the thousands of bodies that flowed down the Drina river? Where is the compensation for the victims families. Citizens of BiH are sick of the Serbs from Beograd who continue to push the boundries in regards to Bosnia's internal affairs. DODIK has already crossed that boundry and will soon enough feel what it is like to be defeated in a country that doesn't want the Serbs and never will.

"Tadić said that insufficient clarity in relation to Serbia's integrity is very dangerous and brings no good to anyone, adding that most of all, it is poses a problem to Bosnia-Herzegovina itself."

The Serbian presindent is getting mad. It is not his business what Bosnia-Herzegovina decide at the UN. Bosnia-Herzegovina is an indpendent country and takes its decision based on its interest and constitution. I have my reservation about this country but as I have said in my comment few days ago, it will ABSTAIN.
(EA)
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What are you talking about?... He's asking Bosnia to choose, not "forcing" them on his side.

Bosnia is a key player in this game and can loose everything is she doesnt act wisely. Not too long ago on the 11th of September your hero Bush stated to the WORLD the same thing - "Your either with us, or with the terrorists"... Tadic is expressing the same notion, and it's fully his business.

Mr. TADIC you should be ashamed of yourself entering a town where countless Bosniaks were massacred on a daily basis while the Serbian gov. stood back and watched from the sidelines sipping 'LOZA'. Why haven't you condemned those crimes? Why haven't you mentioned the thousands of bodies that flowed down the Drina river? Where is the compensation for the victims families. Citizens of BiH are sick of the Serbs from Beograd who continue to push the boundries in regards to Bosnia's internal affairs. DODIK has already crossed that boundry and will soon enough feel what it is like to be defeated in a country that doesn't want the Serbs and never will.
(HB)
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Take a chill pill HB. Tadic was never responsible for anything that happened in the 90's in Bosnia.

Why haven't the Bosniaks condemmed any crime against the Serbs? Where is the compensation for the bosnian-Serbs? Why have you forgotten about all this, and choose to nit-pick information only sutable for YOUR argument, and not a sensible one.

Not a long list of countries. Nothing to breg about.
(Joe, 29 August 2010 17:10)

Kit érdekel? Don't I care less, really. Sargan 8 is there, I can take it across the mountains and have fun.

As for the list of countries - one single is enough and it's not being called "Bosnia". As long as that single country does exist, all Serbs have to do is wait till they don't have enough "3M" (Merkava + MiG + Megatons). At worst, substitute Merkava with T-80.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vglw7d7Y8io

Not as good as the German "Leopard" - but costs 4 times less, so get 4 of T-90 for one "Leopard" or "Abrams".

At the moment they have all the ingredients - "Kosovo je Srbija" also according the "reality on the ground".

Nothing else will help. In today's politics the "international law" is spelled like "military-grade plutonium" or "big fleet of dangerous airplanes".

As long as you have no plutonium, not a single T-90U and only three functioning MiG-29 airplanes - you look for ICJ and UN GA and going to lose. Don't Israel care less about that? Because they have enough Merkava tanks, some plutonium and 400 MiG-29-s can be substituted by 300-400 F-16.

Ok, down to business: where is the rest 397 MiG-s of Serbian airforce they need? Nowhere? OK, than wait till the time is right.

Interesting picture of both in Visegrad. They went from/to Visegrad to/from Uzice by "Cira" historic narrow-line train... looks like (FINALLY!) the tracks of "Sargan 8" were restored across the border.

http://www.b92.net/eng/gallery/zoom.php?&image_id=119815

Thank you Bosnia (for restoring the tracks), my next vacation in Srpska with Sarganska Osmica.

http://www.penmorfa.com/JZ/hdahlhaus5.html

Speaking of defense against serbian aggression, Illija Jurisic is still 'rotting' (as they like to say) in a serbian jail, hopefully awaiting the appeal process. we believe that he should immediately go free, based upon that sham of a trial and what has recently come out with the (failed) attempt to extradite Ganic.

roberto/ frisco
(roberto, 29 August 2010 19:47)

Fight against "Serbian aggression" by killing withdrawing recruits? I had the impression there is some sort of border where your baseless hatred towards Serbs can reasonably(?) end. That comment was well beyond it.

Roberto said:

"Speaking of defense against serbian aggression, Illija Jurisic is still 'rotting' (as they like to say) in a serbian jail, hopefully awaiting the appeal process. we believe that he should immediately go free, based upon that sham of a trial and what has recently come out with the (failed) attempt to extradite Ganic."
======================

What has Ganic got to do with this guy "rotting in jail"? Why are you trying to link the two together? I thought every indivudual trial is just that, individual and not a group thing.

What do you say about Seselj rotting in jail? He hasn't even been found guilty of anything and yet he has spent years in that jail. You know the saying "delayed justice is denied justice".
Can we hear you champion for his trial to go quicker or are you just happy to see a Serb fighting for Serbs rot in jail?

the wheels of justice grind on slowly, as they say, but in that country i fear they grind backwards...

and thank god for Natasa Kandic, a true hero of our times.

ciao!

roberto/ frisco
(roberto)
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What nonsense are talking about? Something that occured 20 years has no place in the present. How can you ramble on saying the people of Serbia need to continue to suffer and deserve no justice because of 1 man?

And what are the specifics that make the Milosevic regime similiar to this one? Wake up man... I dont know what planet your on, but it seems the air is getting a little thin for you.

Not a long list of countries. Nothing to breg about.
(Joe, 29 August 2010 17:10)


Considering that the US is such an economic and military power, and the entire situation is an embarrassment to have to deal with a small country like Serbia then why does it not use force the situation to a head?

Interesting picture of both in Visegrad. Ataman do not forget what happened to the majority of the population in Višegrad and surrounding area. Since you are fond of links here is the despicable truth what happened to the majority [link]. Throw a wreath in the Drina or flowers for the countless victims. Do not be surprised when the "Srpska police" come out of the wood work and ask what do you think you are doing and give you a rough time.
(Lenard, 30 August 2010 09:21)

Thank you, Lenard, i really appreciate the link. what was done in visegrad, all over bosnia, esp in the east, there are really no words for it, and yet we must try...

roberto
frisco

Interesting picture of both in Visegrad. Ataman do not forget what happened to the majority of the population in Višegrad and surrounding area. Since you are fond of links here is the despicable truth what happened to the majority [link]. Throw a wreath in the Drina or flowers for the countless victims. Do not be surprised when the "Srpska police" come out of the wood work and ask what do you think you are doing and give you a rough time.
(Lenard, 30 August 2010 09:21)

Lenard,

Since we are speaking of wear crimes how about highlighting Operation in which 200,000 Croatian Serbs were ethnically cleansed and hundreds of Serbs murdered by the advancing fascist Croatian army which incidentally enough is celebrated as a national holiday in Croatia.

Serbia has long acknowledged its role and responsibility in despicable war crimes carried out in its name. Before you take the moral ground, it would be time for Croatia to do the same, dont you think so.

"As long as you have no plutonium, not a single T-90U and only three functioning MiG-29 airplanes - you look for ICJ and UN GA and going to lose. Don't Israel care less about that? Because they have enough Merkava tanks, some plutonium and 400 MiG-29-s can be substituted by 300-400 F-16.

Ok, down to business: where is the rest 397 MiG-s of Serbian airforce they need? Nowhere? OK, than wait till the time is right."
USB

Hi Ataman, thanks for repeating your theory. I agree with you, Without a strong army no country is taken seriously.

Not a long list of countries. Nothing to breg about.
(Joe, 29 August 2010 17:10)

Sorry, Joe! I meant EU instead of UN.

Bosnia and Serbia will eventually be EU members. And they will say no to Kosovo in EU.

We all know that. Stop this route taken and take the Slovakia route: a solution by mutual agreement!

More pictures of the REAL event. Sadly, only political part became visible on B92.

http://www.visegradturizam.com/aktuelnosti-info.php?id=38

We waited for the extension of "Sargan 8" for many years... now it is the reality.

Yeah, the "fat cats" came there, too - but I think it is pity that the fulfillment of dream of so many people about Cira wasn't reported.

Screw the politics, Sarajevo, Dubrovnik is the next step, let the trains roll again as they used to.

"Tadić said that insufficient clarity in relation to Serbia's integrity is very dangerous and brings no good to anyone, adding that most of all, it is poses a problem to Bosnia-Herzegovina itself."

The Serbian presindent is getting mad. It is not his business what Bosnia-Herzegovina decide at the UN. Bosnia-Herzegovina is an indpendent country and takes its decision based on its interest and constitution. I have my reservation about this country but as I have said in my comment few days ago, it will ABSTAIN.

"Meaning instead of two countries saying no to Kosovo in UN we will have at least seven the coming years: add Serbia and Bosnia.

And maybe in the far future: Ukraine. As Unkraine probably will also never recognize Kosovo!
Ron

Not a long list of countries. Nothing to breg about.

‘Bosnia-Herzegovina is an ind(e)pendent country and takes its decision(s) based on its interest(s) and constitution. ‘
(EA, 29 August 2010)

Bosnia-Herzegovina is neither independent nor a country. It is a construct of Western geopolitical interests and makes it decisions based on that.

"Tadić said that insufficient clarity in relation to Serbia's integrity is very dangerous and brings no good to anyone, adding that most of all, it is poses a problem to Bosnia-Herzegovina itself."

This is a dangerous and provocative act on the part of tadic and his proxy dodik. how dare tadic issue such "veiled" threats against a neighbor, not to mention a neighbor with which serbia was recently at war. a neighbor which is still reeling from the hell of genocide committed in the name of the serbian people...

the belgrade regime continues the path of milosevic, but unable to use its armed forces, uses threats, veiled or otherwise. we need to respond appropriately.

Speaking of defense against serbian aggression, Illija Jurisic is still 'rotting' (as they like to say) in a serbian jail, hopefully awaiting the appeal process. we believe that he should immediately go free, based upon that sham of a trial and what has recently come out with the (failed) attempt to extradite Ganic.

we're hoping to get help from the NGOs in serbia (the ones that are silenced in these pages) to see and interview jurisic in a few months. i'll be happy to share what we learn.

the wheels of justice grind on slowly, as they say, but in that country i fear they grind backwards...

and thank god for Natasa Kandic, a true hero of our times.

ciao!

roberto/ frisco

The Serbian presindent is getting mad. It is not his business what Bosnia-Herzegovina decide at the UN. Bosnia-Herzegovina is an indpendent country and takes its decision based on its interest and constitution. I have my reservation about this country but as I have said in my comment few days ago, it will ABSTAIN.
(EA, 29 August 2010 12:06)

But this also means that Bosnia will say NO to Kosovo recognition. Meaning instead of two countries saying no to Kosovo in UN we will have at least seven the coming years: add Serbia and Bosnia.

And maybe in the far future: Ukraine. As Unkraine probably will also never recognize Kosovo!

"Tadić said that insufficient clarity in relation to Serbia's integrity is very dangerous and brings no good to anyone, adding that most of all, it is poses a problem to Bosnia-Herzegovina itself."

The Serbian presindent is getting mad. It is not his business what Bosnia-Herzegovina decide at the UN. Bosnia-Herzegovina is an indpendent country and takes its decision based on its interest and constitution. I have my reservation about this country but as I have said in my comment few days ago, it will ABSTAIN.
(EA)
-
What are you talking about?... He's asking Bosnia to choose, not "forcing" them on his side.

Bosnia is a key player in this game and can loose everything is she doesnt act wisely. Not too long ago on the 11th of September your hero Bush stated to the WORLD the same thing - "Your either with us, or with the terrorists"... Tadic is expressing the same notion, and it's fully his business.

Mr. TADIC you should be ashamed of yourself entering a town where countless Bosniaks were massacred on a daily basis while the Serbian gov. stood back and watched from the sidelines sipping 'LOZA'. Why haven't you condemned those crimes? Why haven't you mentioned the thousands of bodies that flowed down the Drina river? Where is the compensation for the victims families. Citizens of BiH are sick of the Serbs from Beograd who continue to push the boundries in regards to Bosnia's internal affairs. DODIK has already crossed that boundry and will soon enough feel what it is like to be defeated in a country that doesn't want the Serbs and never will.
(HB)
-
Take a chill pill HB. Tadic was never responsible for anything that happened in the 90's in Bosnia.

Why haven't the Bosniaks condemmed any crime against the Serbs? Where is the compensation for the bosnian-Serbs? Why have you forgotten about all this, and choose to nit-pick information only sutable for YOUR argument, and not a sensible one.

Not a long list of countries. Nothing to breg about.
(Joe, 29 August 2010 17:10)


Considering that the US is such an economic and military power, and the entire situation is an embarrassment to have to deal with a small country like Serbia then why does it not use force the situation to a head?

Speaking of defense against serbian aggression, Illija Jurisic is still 'rotting' (as they like to say) in a serbian jail, hopefully awaiting the appeal process. we believe that he should immediately go free, based upon that sham of a trial and what has recently come out with the (failed) attempt to extradite Ganic.

roberto/ frisco
(roberto, 29 August 2010 19:47)

Fight against "Serbian aggression" by killing withdrawing recruits? I had the impression there is some sort of border where your baseless hatred towards Serbs can reasonably(?) end. That comment was well beyond it.

the wheels of justice grind on slowly, as they say, but in that country i fear they grind backwards...

and thank god for Natasa Kandic, a true hero of our times.

ciao!

roberto/ frisco
(roberto)
-
What nonsense are talking about? Something that occured 20 years has no place in the present. How can you ramble on saying the people of Serbia need to continue to suffer and deserve no justice because of 1 man?

And what are the specifics that make the Milosevic regime similiar to this one? Wake up man... I dont know what planet your on, but it seems the air is getting a little thin for you.

Not a long list of countries. Nothing to breg about.
(Joe, 29 August 2010 17:10)

Kit érdekel? Don't I care less, really. Sargan 8 is there, I can take it across the mountains and have fun.

As for the list of countries - one single is enough and it's not being called "Bosnia". As long as that single country does exist, all Serbs have to do is wait till they don't have enough "3M" (Merkava + MiG + Megatons). At worst, substitute Merkava with T-80.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vglw7d7Y8io

Not as good as the German "Leopard" - but costs 4 times less, so get 4 of T-90 for one "Leopard" or "Abrams".

At the moment they have all the ingredients - "Kosovo je Srbija" also according the "reality on the ground".

Nothing else will help. In today's politics the "international law" is spelled like "military-grade plutonium" or "big fleet of dangerous airplanes".

As long as you have no plutonium, not a single T-90U and only three functioning MiG-29 airplanes - you look for ICJ and UN GA and going to lose. Don't Israel care less about that? Because they have enough Merkava tanks, some plutonium and 400 MiG-29-s can be substituted by 300-400 F-16.

Ok, down to business: where is the rest 397 MiG-s of Serbian airforce they need? Nowhere? OK, than wait till the time is right.

Interesting picture of both in Visegrad. They went from/to Visegrad to/from Uzice by "Cira" historic narrow-line train... looks like (FINALLY!) the tracks of "Sargan 8" were restored across the border.

http://www.b92.net/eng/gallery/zoom.php?&image_id=119815

Thank you Bosnia (for restoring the tracks), my next vacation in Srpska with Sarganska Osmica.

http://www.penmorfa.com/JZ/hdahlhaus5.html

Roberto said:

"Speaking of defense against serbian aggression, Illija Jurisic is still 'rotting' (as they like to say) in a serbian jail, hopefully awaiting the appeal process. we believe that he should immediately go free, based upon that sham of a trial and what has recently come out with the (failed) attempt to extradite Ganic."
======================

What has Ganic got to do with this guy "rotting in jail"? Why are you trying to link the two together? I thought every indivudual trial is just that, individual and not a group thing.

What do you say about Seselj rotting in jail? He hasn't even been found guilty of anything and yet he has spent years in that jail. You know the saying "delayed justice is denied justice".
Can we hear you champion for his trial to go quicker or are you just happy to see a Serb fighting for Serbs rot in jail?

Interesting picture of both in Visegrad. Ataman do not forget what happened to the majority of the population in Višegrad and surrounding area. Since you are fond of links here is the despicable truth what happened to the majority [link]. Throw a wreath in the Drina or flowers for the countless victims. Do not be surprised when the "Srpska police" come out of the wood work and ask what do you think you are doing and give you a rough time.
(Lenard, 30 August 2010 09:21)

Lenard,

Since we are speaking of wear crimes how about highlighting Operation in which 200,000 Croatian Serbs were ethnically cleansed and hundreds of Serbs murdered by the advancing fascist Croatian army which incidentally enough is celebrated as a national holiday in Croatia.

Serbia has long acknowledged its role and responsibility in despicable war crimes carried out in its name. Before you take the moral ground, it would be time for Croatia to do the same, dont you think so.

Mr. TADIC you should be ashamed of yourself entering a town where countless Bosniaks were massacred on a daily basis while the Serbian gov. stood back and watched from the sidelines sipping 'LOZA'. Why haven't you condemned those crimes? Why haven't you mentioned the thousands of bodies that flowed down the Drina river? Where is the compensation for the victims families. Citizens of BiH are sick of the Serbs from Beograd who continue to push the boundries in regards to Bosnia's internal affairs. DODIK has already crossed that boundry and will soon enough feel what it is like to be defeated in a country that doesn't want the Serbs and never will.

Not a long list of countries. Nothing to breg about.
(Joe, 29 August 2010 17:10)

Sorry, Joe! I meant EU instead of UN.

Bosnia and Serbia will eventually be EU members. And they will say no to Kosovo in EU.

We all know that. Stop this route taken and take the Slovakia route: a solution by mutual agreement!

"As long as you have no plutonium, not a single T-90U and only three functioning MiG-29 airplanes - you look for ICJ and UN GA and going to lose. Don't Israel care less about that? Because they have enough Merkava tanks, some plutonium and 400 MiG-29-s can be substituted by 300-400 F-16.

Ok, down to business: where is the rest 397 MiG-s of Serbian airforce they need? Nowhere? OK, than wait till the time is right."
USB

Hi Ataman, thanks for repeating your theory. I agree with you, Without a strong army no country is taken seriously.

Interesting picture of both in Visegrad. Ataman do not forget what happened to the majority of the population in Višegrad and surrounding area. Since you are fond of links here is the despicable truth what happened to the majority http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi%C5%A1egrad. Throw a wreath in the Drina or flowers for the countless victims. Do not be surprised when the "Srpska police" come out of the wood work and ask what do you think you are doing and give you a rough time.

More pictures of the REAL event. Sadly, only political part became visible on B92.

http://www.visegradturizam.com/aktuelnosti-info.php?id=38

We waited for the extension of "Sargan 8" for many years... now it is the reality.

Yeah, the "fat cats" came there, too - but I think it is pity that the fulfillment of dream of so many people about Cira wasn't reported.

Screw the politics, Sarajevo, Dubrovnik is the next step, let the trains roll again as they used to.

Interesting picture of both in Visegrad. Ataman do not forget what happened to the majority of the population in Višegrad and surrounding area. Since you are fond of links here is the despicable truth what happened to the majority [link]. Throw a wreath in the Drina or flowers for the countless victims. Do not be surprised when the "Srpska police" come out of the wood work and ask what do you think you are doing and give you a rough time.
(Lenard, 30 August 2010 09:21)

Thank you, Lenard, i really appreciate the link. what was done in visegrad, all over bosnia, esp in the east, there are really no words for it, and yet we must try...

roberto
frisco