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Saturday, 28.08.2010.

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President confirms consultations on resolution

President Boris Tadić said that a delegation of the government would be traveling to Brussels to discuss its UN Kosovo resolution with EU officials.

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Jim

pre 13 godina

Bganon - well said!

Johny - seriously, you need some help! You really are the most hateful poster on these boards. Your anger and spite is really unbelievable. More to the point it seems to stop you from engaging in any sort of rational discussion.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

Hey EA! Read the ICJ decision. It is only for the "declaration" and not the issue regarding right of secession.
Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...
(PRO-SERBIA, 29 August 2010 09:39)

Didn't you ask that question yourself ? You got a clear answer on what your question was. why didn't you ask the other question, and i bet you my last $ , you will have received a clear cut answer, once again.

EA

pre 13 godina

Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...
(PRO-SERBIA, 29 August 2010 09:39)

Bad for Serbia! It lost Kosovo and it will defenetely lose EU if it continues to be obstructive. These are FACTS. You can say one thousand time that Kosovo is Serbia but the REALITY is that Kosovo is very Albanian you like it or not. More than 95 per cent of Kosovo population are pure Albanians, they speak Albanian and feel very strongly Albanians. You are talking nonsense that Kosovo is Serbian which is a wishful thinking.

Mark

pre 13 godina

The Serb constitution clearly defines that autonomy is the starting and the final position and illegalized any other positions. As long as the current constitution is in place there are no other positions that Serbia can take that would not be illegal.
(johny, 29 August 2010 06:37)

Precisely this shows the non-sense of the Serbia's diplomatic fight. Serbia's argument goes that without Serbia's recognition Kosovo will never become a UN member. This on itself is ridiculous as Kosovo will not renounce independence for a UN seat. But, even if Kosovo was stupid enough to give up its independence and accept the autonomy that Serbia offers, it still will not become a UN member since it will only be an autonomous province of Serbia. So, I don't get why Kosovo should accept autonomy for something (UN membership) that it will not get anyway.

bganon

pre 13 godina

miri why the anger? Are you not keeping up with current events Serbia is prepared to negotiate as I've always said.

Why don't you comment on the Croatian report saying whether it is acceptible to you or not?

Really don't understand why you don't want to grab any opportunity to end this with both hands. Instead you want to go over old ground, dredging up negativity. Really I've read some of your posts where I detect a good sort. Now that a potential deal has been put on the table you are going off the rails. Why?

Johny stop wasting your time with the word constitution. I'm not interested. Constitutions are there to be changed and are not written in stone. If the Serbian or any government decides to pass something that is contrary to the constitution they will and if necessary the constitution will be amended. End of.

I can see how deep your hatred of Serbia is. You have this attitude of zero sum - ie what is good for Serbia is bad for Kosovo (Albanians) and vice versa. I pity you, I really do, I don't believe that for a second.

I see the world in terms of power elites and ordinary people. 'They' are mostly the same 'we' must fight them and make common cause as they manipulate us for their own interests. We must work out what our interests are and not allow them to persude policies that damage us.

Look at it this way, so deep seated is your hatred of Serbia that you would rather see Kosovo continue to suffer than for us both to benefit? Why do I say that? You say that you don't want Cedo in power in Serbia, even though it would mean Kosovo would be recognised and it would be the beginning of normalisation of the Kosovo situation, from your perspective at least. But because of your obsession with seeing Serbia do badly you would rather have Tadic / Kostunica in power so the conflict goes on eternally???

I'm sorry but I don't think that you are all there. This is a journey for normal people who want to improve their lives. Those who are too deranged to get on the train can remain on the platform and rant about constitutions if it makes them happy.

PRO-SERBIA

pre 13 godina

Hey EA! Read the ICJ decision. It is only for the "declaration" and not the issue regarding right of secession.
Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...

johny

pre 13 godina

"johny you need to get a grasp of negotiation and diplmatic process.

Anybody who has studied international relations knows that you do not move much from your starting position until negotiations begin. You are only looking for excuses to not negotiate. "

--This is complete BS. What starting position are you talking about? They sat for 2 years and not only Serbia didn't move an inch but it made its position even more rigid by taking a unilateral step that was against the very same principles they had agreed with during negotiations; that is no side should preempt status. Serbia did that exactly by adopting a constitution that made it illegal for any Serb to mention any other word other than autonomy. The Serb constitution clearly defines that autonomy is the starting and the final position and illegalized any other positions. As long as the current constitution is in place there are no other positions that Serbia can take that would not be illegal. Nobody is foolish enough sitting on a table with a side that is obliged under the supreme law of its land to have only one position. There is nothing else to talk about when such position is clear. Accepting to sit on a table with the Serbs as long as the current Constitution is in power equals acceptance to Serbia's constitutional order; which in laymens terms means you are accepting the fact that you are sitting down to discuss only changes in the administrative issues and reintegrating yourself into Serbia in agreement with the Serb constitution. This is no excuse; this is the situation and reality which we are faced with as long as the current constitution remains in place. Nobody is foolish enough to buy your lame excuses about starting positions. The constitution is clear, for two years during negotiations Serbia's actions have been clear, since 1999 Serbia's actions have been clear; that is autonomy is the beginning and the end. There are no other positions in Serbia other than autonomy which are lawful and do not break the Serb constitution and its constitutional order. If you want to negotiate further and want a compromise you do not take of the table all other positions in through a ready made, brand spanking new constitution claiming to subjugate those you deny the right to vote. The constitution is the legal framework upon which the state of Serbia functions. It is malicious and insincere to claim to want a compromise and negotiate yet claim that such a compromise is only possible if its in accordance with your legal framework because you decided so when you didn't let the other side of the story vote for such a constitution. Such an argument is asinine. The other argument that such a constitution does not constitute a problem is even more naive and asinine as I explained above. The enemy for those negotiations and compromise you claim is nothing else but Serbia Constitution. You draw red lines now live with them. Its simple.



"Tadic has done a great job in recent days, as much as can be done. Perhaps that is what worries you. But, I don't think you have anything to fear from Tadic. "

-- Actually if you've read my posts you would have figured by now that I want the likes of Tadic to remain in power for at least another 20 years. It is the likes of Cedo that worry me. His policies are very liked by the West and that doesn't do much service to our cause. The boneheaded moves of Tadic and Jeremic are what we need for another 2 decades. We need their confrontational ways with the West and we need their impulsive policy making; which quite often leads to irrational decisions. Tadic is just what we need. Kostunica or Nikolic would be even better but Tadic and Jeremic can do too; when it comes to Kosova there's no difference between them. Cedo on the other hand could set us back with his views. He seem like a true moderate unlike these relics you have now. A true moderate would have the West's interests and that is not good for us. That is competition. With Tadic and Jeremic that competition fades as they seem to have the tendency to confront the West thinking they can outsmart them and out-power them. Even if we shopped for boneheaded policies like that we wouldn't be able to find them.

"He could actually help to assist kosovo albanian democracy and sideline leaders you don't deserve."

-- A hardcore like Tadic and Jeremic would only elongate and strengthen the power of those that lead today. I say hardcore because when it comes to Kosova and Albanians Tadic and Jeremic are no different from Kostunica, Milosevcic, Seselj, Nikolic. Cedo on the other hand could have some effect.

P.S You are in no position to decide who deserves to lead us and who doesn't. We get to choose and we choose through our votes.

Albion

pre 13 godina

Tadić said that the objections to Serbia’s resolution did not come from any EU institutions, but from individual foreign ministries of member-states.
Ahhhh, go and figure this out.
And which institutions these foreign ministers represent? Do you mean to tell us these ministers are not telling you officially?

Albion

pre 13 godina

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo. That is a red line that we will not cross,” Tadić said, adding that he has informed Western leaders of that stance.
We have red lines as well Tadic, drawn with permanent markers too, that can not be changed.
First of all never say never.
Second, you informed Western leaders about Serbia's stance, and they replied back to you with their stance. Now let's see whose stance will prevail.
Serbia is loosing the rigid stance about the resolution, negotiations under way in Brussels is a sign of backing down Mr. Tadic.
I don't understand why Serbia is leading such policy, as they are holding the bargaining chips about Kosova. Don,t they think that Kosova has nothing to talk about the independence with Serbia. Kosova is free and independent, why would they sit with Serbia and put the freedom back on the bargaining table? Do you take us for fools or you not capable enough to understand that as far as Kosova is concerned freedom is not negotiable.
Its like telling someone that built a house, paid for it, come and sit now to negotiate about ownership and control.

miri

pre 13 godina

bganon, are you really such an utopist to believe that new negotiations would start while both parties hold on to the same positions that caused the negotiations to be rendered useless two years ago? Where is the logic on this? How on earth would these parties be convinced to sit at the same table while you paint your red lines all over the "negotiation" table?

Serbia will never be able to convince the West to withdraw the support for K-Independence.

I am saying this because that is the core of your "negotiations", that is what you hope and aim for. You don't want negotiations, you know it can't be any negotiations, it's insane to even propose any negotiations under given circumstances. You want to continue the same brute force methodology and arrogance towards K-Albanians that you have applied for centuries and since you can't do it yourselves this time, you hope in vain to convince the West to get dirty and do it for you. This is your attitude that K-Albanians have no say over what is according to you the heavenly Serbian territory. Frankly, with rare exceptions like Ceda and few others, when it comes to K-Albanians Serbs don't know any better.

Prove me wrong, leave general wording aside and make me an offer to start negotiating with you but you must know that I will not cross the red line on the territorial integrity of Kosova. With all due respect is completely idiotic to talk about negotiations. It's smarter to even make empty military threats, than to try to "convince" K-Albanians (or convince the West to force K-Albanians) to sit with you and discuss your red belts.

My compliments Johnny for the clarity and concise comment.

bganon

pre 13 godina

Johny you need to get a grasp of negotiation and diplmatic process.

Anybody who has studied international relations knows that you do not move much from your starting position until negotiations begin.

You are only looking for excuses to not negotiate.

Tadic has done a great job in recent days, as much as can be done. Perhaps that is what worries you. But, I don't think you have anything to fear from Tadic. He could actually help to assist kosovo albanian democracy and sideline leaders you don't deserve.

dht

pre 13 godina

1. President Tadić:

"“The fight for Kosovo would be continued on a peaceful and diplomatic road,” Tadić said."


2. dht:

Yes, Mr. President, plan A, problem solution by peaceful diplomatic negotiations, is the best solution.

However, what shall happen, if plan A fails, and if Priština tries to gain control over the north of Kosovo by using force ? Or if incidents like that which occured in 2004 will happen again ?

If one of these events occurs, will you, Mr. President, send your troops to protect the Serbs, Roma, etc. ?

And if you are not sending your troops, will your government support us in protecting the Serbs, Roma, etc., or will it at least tolerate the necessities, or will your government hamper us ?

About 15 years ago a Serbian president betrayed Serbs:
Slobodan Milošević betrayed the Krajina Serbs, he didn´t help them although he knew that the Croats had concrete plans to conquer the Krajina.

Shall this betrayal happen again ?

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Is that Dodik behind Tadic? It looks similar to Dodik. Are those maps behind the two of them? How is this picture related to this article? funny :).
(KU)
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Something to worry about if you ask me, and I know you didn't. ;)

KU

pre 13 godina

Is that Dodik behind Tadic? It looks similar to Dodik. Are those maps behind the two of them? How is this picture related to this article? funny :).

ahmet

pre 13 godina

“We believe that our resolution is full of compromises. I believe that no one can be against negotiations,” Tadić said, adding that negotiations between Belgrade and Priština would be a chance to solve the historical conflict between the Albanian and Serbian people.

unfortunately the train has left the station Mr Tadic!

johny

pre 13 godina

"Serbia will never recognize Kosovo. That is a red line that we will not cross,” Tadić said, adding that he has informed Western leaders of that stance.


“We believe that our resolution is full of compromises. I believe that no one can be against negotiations,” Tadić said, adding that negotiations between Belgrade and Priština would be a chance to solve the historical conflict between the Albanian and Serbian people."


--Never going to happen with an attitude like that. Nobody is stupid enough to talk to you when you say Serbia will never recognize Kosova. Under those conditions everyone can indeed be against negotiations. It is ludicrous to call for negotiations with the other side while maintaining the rigid stance of autonomy. We have no incentives whatsoever to talk to Serbia about something that in the end amounts only to an administrative readjustment in the eyes of the Serbs and in the eyes of the Serb constitution. Such a proposal is not only asinine but it is fuel for the hatred that exists between our to people. I personally find such comments indecent, offensive, and narrow-minded. However that is expected. Whenever Tadic or any Serb opens their mouth and comes with asinine comments like the ones above our resolve becomes only stronger. We will never sit and talk with relics that still have the mentality of subjugation of another people. If you want to talk about that then talk to yourselves. Take that red line and shove it you know where; and stop busting our chops and complaining about dialog when under the supreme law of the land you are not allowed to talk about anything else but autonomy. Putting it simply; autonomy is not good enough to even wipe our behinds let alone foolishly sit around the table with dinosaurs like Tadic.

RKS

pre 13 godina

What I want to know EA is he said the resolution was "full of compromises", than why are you sending a group of experts to Brussels ???

EA

pre 13 godina

"He said that Serbia would continue fighting for Kosovo, even though ITS LEGAL ANGLES HAVE BEEN DEPLETED after after the decision of the International Court of Justice."

THANKS GOD for seeing that!
Now tell us Mr President or give us ONE REASON why the Kosovo Albanians should accept to be under Serbian sovereignity as that is all about? What Serbia has done to make for Kosovo Albanians appealing to return under Serbian sovereignity? So the so-called "fight for Kosovo" is purely political Serbian speculation mainly as a consumption for Serbia's public. I am sorry for being blunt again!

dht

pre 13 godina

1. President Tadić:

"“The fight for Kosovo would be continued on a peaceful and diplomatic road,” Tadić said."


2. dht:

Yes, Mr. President, plan A, problem solution by peaceful diplomatic negotiations, is the best solution.

However, what shall happen, if plan A fails, and if Priština tries to gain control over the north of Kosovo by using force ? Or if incidents like that which occured in 2004 will happen again ?

If one of these events occurs, will you, Mr. President, send your troops to protect the Serbs, Roma, etc. ?

And if you are not sending your troops, will your government support us in protecting the Serbs, Roma, etc., or will it at least tolerate the necessities, or will your government hamper us ?

About 15 years ago a Serbian president betrayed Serbs:
Slobodan Milošević betrayed the Krajina Serbs, he didn´t help them although he knew that the Croats had concrete plans to conquer the Krajina.

Shall this betrayal happen again ?

EA

pre 13 godina

"He said that Serbia would continue fighting for Kosovo, even though ITS LEGAL ANGLES HAVE BEEN DEPLETED after after the decision of the International Court of Justice."

THANKS GOD for seeing that!
Now tell us Mr President or give us ONE REASON why the Kosovo Albanians should accept to be under Serbian sovereignity as that is all about? What Serbia has done to make for Kosovo Albanians appealing to return under Serbian sovereignity? So the so-called "fight for Kosovo" is purely political Serbian speculation mainly as a consumption for Serbia's public. I am sorry for being blunt again!

johny

pre 13 godina

"Serbia will never recognize Kosovo. That is a red line that we will not cross,” Tadić said, adding that he has informed Western leaders of that stance.


“We believe that our resolution is full of compromises. I believe that no one can be against negotiations,” Tadić said, adding that negotiations between Belgrade and Priština would be a chance to solve the historical conflict between the Albanian and Serbian people."


--Never going to happen with an attitude like that. Nobody is stupid enough to talk to you when you say Serbia will never recognize Kosova. Under those conditions everyone can indeed be against negotiations. It is ludicrous to call for negotiations with the other side while maintaining the rigid stance of autonomy. We have no incentives whatsoever to talk to Serbia about something that in the end amounts only to an administrative readjustment in the eyes of the Serbs and in the eyes of the Serb constitution. Such a proposal is not only asinine but it is fuel for the hatred that exists between our to people. I personally find such comments indecent, offensive, and narrow-minded. However that is expected. Whenever Tadic or any Serb opens their mouth and comes with asinine comments like the ones above our resolve becomes only stronger. We will never sit and talk with relics that still have the mentality of subjugation of another people. If you want to talk about that then talk to yourselves. Take that red line and shove it you know where; and stop busting our chops and complaining about dialog when under the supreme law of the land you are not allowed to talk about anything else but autonomy. Putting it simply; autonomy is not good enough to even wipe our behinds let alone foolishly sit around the table with dinosaurs like Tadic.

ahmet

pre 13 godina

“We believe that our resolution is full of compromises. I believe that no one can be against negotiations,” Tadić said, adding that negotiations between Belgrade and Priština would be a chance to solve the historical conflict between the Albanian and Serbian people.

unfortunately the train has left the station Mr Tadic!

RKS

pre 13 godina

What I want to know EA is he said the resolution was "full of compromises", than why are you sending a group of experts to Brussels ???

Mark

pre 13 godina

The Serb constitution clearly defines that autonomy is the starting and the final position and illegalized any other positions. As long as the current constitution is in place there are no other positions that Serbia can take that would not be illegal.
(johny, 29 August 2010 06:37)

Precisely this shows the non-sense of the Serbia's diplomatic fight. Serbia's argument goes that without Serbia's recognition Kosovo will never become a UN member. This on itself is ridiculous as Kosovo will not renounce independence for a UN seat. But, even if Kosovo was stupid enough to give up its independence and accept the autonomy that Serbia offers, it still will not become a UN member since it will only be an autonomous province of Serbia. So, I don't get why Kosovo should accept autonomy for something (UN membership) that it will not get anyway.

bganon

pre 13 godina

Johny you need to get a grasp of negotiation and diplmatic process.

Anybody who has studied international relations knows that you do not move much from your starting position until negotiations begin.

You are only looking for excuses to not negotiate.

Tadic has done a great job in recent days, as much as can be done. Perhaps that is what worries you. But, I don't think you have anything to fear from Tadic. He could actually help to assist kosovo albanian democracy and sideline leaders you don't deserve.

KU

pre 13 godina

Is that Dodik behind Tadic? It looks similar to Dodik. Are those maps behind the two of them? How is this picture related to this article? funny :).

bganon

pre 13 godina

miri why the anger? Are you not keeping up with current events Serbia is prepared to negotiate as I've always said.

Why don't you comment on the Croatian report saying whether it is acceptible to you or not?

Really don't understand why you don't want to grab any opportunity to end this with both hands. Instead you want to go over old ground, dredging up negativity. Really I've read some of your posts where I detect a good sort. Now that a potential deal has been put on the table you are going off the rails. Why?

Johny stop wasting your time with the word constitution. I'm not interested. Constitutions are there to be changed and are not written in stone. If the Serbian or any government decides to pass something that is contrary to the constitution they will and if necessary the constitution will be amended. End of.

I can see how deep your hatred of Serbia is. You have this attitude of zero sum - ie what is good for Serbia is bad for Kosovo (Albanians) and vice versa. I pity you, I really do, I don't believe that for a second.

I see the world in terms of power elites and ordinary people. 'They' are mostly the same 'we' must fight them and make common cause as they manipulate us for their own interests. We must work out what our interests are and not allow them to persude policies that damage us.

Look at it this way, so deep seated is your hatred of Serbia that you would rather see Kosovo continue to suffer than for us both to benefit? Why do I say that? You say that you don't want Cedo in power in Serbia, even though it would mean Kosovo would be recognised and it would be the beginning of normalisation of the Kosovo situation, from your perspective at least. But because of your obsession with seeing Serbia do badly you would rather have Tadic / Kostunica in power so the conflict goes on eternally???

I'm sorry but I don't think that you are all there. This is a journey for normal people who want to improve their lives. Those who are too deranged to get on the train can remain on the platform and rant about constitutions if it makes them happy.

EA

pre 13 godina

Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...
(PRO-SERBIA, 29 August 2010 09:39)

Bad for Serbia! It lost Kosovo and it will defenetely lose EU if it continues to be obstructive. These are FACTS. You can say one thousand time that Kosovo is Serbia but the REALITY is that Kosovo is very Albanian you like it or not. More than 95 per cent of Kosovo population are pure Albanians, they speak Albanian and feel very strongly Albanians. You are talking nonsense that Kosovo is Serbian which is a wishful thinking.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Bganon - well said!

Johny - seriously, you need some help! You really are the most hateful poster on these boards. Your anger and spite is really unbelievable. More to the point it seems to stop you from engaging in any sort of rational discussion.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

Hey EA! Read the ICJ decision. It is only for the "declaration" and not the issue regarding right of secession.
Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...
(PRO-SERBIA, 29 August 2010 09:39)

Didn't you ask that question yourself ? You got a clear answer on what your question was. why didn't you ask the other question, and i bet you my last $ , you will have received a clear cut answer, once again.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Is that Dodik behind Tadic? It looks similar to Dodik. Are those maps behind the two of them? How is this picture related to this article? funny :).
(KU)
-
Something to worry about if you ask me, and I know you didn't. ;)

miri

pre 13 godina

bganon, are you really such an utopist to believe that new negotiations would start while both parties hold on to the same positions that caused the negotiations to be rendered useless two years ago? Where is the logic on this? How on earth would these parties be convinced to sit at the same table while you paint your red lines all over the "negotiation" table?

Serbia will never be able to convince the West to withdraw the support for K-Independence.

I am saying this because that is the core of your "negotiations", that is what you hope and aim for. You don't want negotiations, you know it can't be any negotiations, it's insane to even propose any negotiations under given circumstances. You want to continue the same brute force methodology and arrogance towards K-Albanians that you have applied for centuries and since you can't do it yourselves this time, you hope in vain to convince the West to get dirty and do it for you. This is your attitude that K-Albanians have no say over what is according to you the heavenly Serbian territory. Frankly, with rare exceptions like Ceda and few others, when it comes to K-Albanians Serbs don't know any better.

Prove me wrong, leave general wording aside and make me an offer to start negotiating with you but you must know that I will not cross the red line on the territorial integrity of Kosova. With all due respect is completely idiotic to talk about negotiations. It's smarter to even make empty military threats, than to try to "convince" K-Albanians (or convince the West to force K-Albanians) to sit with you and discuss your red belts.

My compliments Johnny for the clarity and concise comment.

Albion

pre 13 godina

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo. That is a red line that we will not cross,” Tadić said, adding that he has informed Western leaders of that stance.
We have red lines as well Tadic, drawn with permanent markers too, that can not be changed.
First of all never say never.
Second, you informed Western leaders about Serbia's stance, and they replied back to you with their stance. Now let's see whose stance will prevail.
Serbia is loosing the rigid stance about the resolution, negotiations under way in Brussels is a sign of backing down Mr. Tadic.
I don't understand why Serbia is leading such policy, as they are holding the bargaining chips about Kosova. Don,t they think that Kosova has nothing to talk about the independence with Serbia. Kosova is free and independent, why would they sit with Serbia and put the freedom back on the bargaining table? Do you take us for fools or you not capable enough to understand that as far as Kosova is concerned freedom is not negotiable.
Its like telling someone that built a house, paid for it, come and sit now to negotiate about ownership and control.

johny

pre 13 godina

"johny you need to get a grasp of negotiation and diplmatic process.

Anybody who has studied international relations knows that you do not move much from your starting position until negotiations begin. You are only looking for excuses to not negotiate. "

--This is complete BS. What starting position are you talking about? They sat for 2 years and not only Serbia didn't move an inch but it made its position even more rigid by taking a unilateral step that was against the very same principles they had agreed with during negotiations; that is no side should preempt status. Serbia did that exactly by adopting a constitution that made it illegal for any Serb to mention any other word other than autonomy. The Serb constitution clearly defines that autonomy is the starting and the final position and illegalized any other positions. As long as the current constitution is in place there are no other positions that Serbia can take that would not be illegal. Nobody is foolish enough sitting on a table with a side that is obliged under the supreme law of its land to have only one position. There is nothing else to talk about when such position is clear. Accepting to sit on a table with the Serbs as long as the current Constitution is in power equals acceptance to Serbia's constitutional order; which in laymens terms means you are accepting the fact that you are sitting down to discuss only changes in the administrative issues and reintegrating yourself into Serbia in agreement with the Serb constitution. This is no excuse; this is the situation and reality which we are faced with as long as the current constitution remains in place. Nobody is foolish enough to buy your lame excuses about starting positions. The constitution is clear, for two years during negotiations Serbia's actions have been clear, since 1999 Serbia's actions have been clear; that is autonomy is the beginning and the end. There are no other positions in Serbia other than autonomy which are lawful and do not break the Serb constitution and its constitutional order. If you want to negotiate further and want a compromise you do not take of the table all other positions in through a ready made, brand spanking new constitution claiming to subjugate those you deny the right to vote. The constitution is the legal framework upon which the state of Serbia functions. It is malicious and insincere to claim to want a compromise and negotiate yet claim that such a compromise is only possible if its in accordance with your legal framework because you decided so when you didn't let the other side of the story vote for such a constitution. Such an argument is asinine. The other argument that such a constitution does not constitute a problem is even more naive and asinine as I explained above. The enemy for those negotiations and compromise you claim is nothing else but Serbia Constitution. You draw red lines now live with them. Its simple.



"Tadic has done a great job in recent days, as much as can be done. Perhaps that is what worries you. But, I don't think you have anything to fear from Tadic. "

-- Actually if you've read my posts you would have figured by now that I want the likes of Tadic to remain in power for at least another 20 years. It is the likes of Cedo that worry me. His policies are very liked by the West and that doesn't do much service to our cause. The boneheaded moves of Tadic and Jeremic are what we need for another 2 decades. We need their confrontational ways with the West and we need their impulsive policy making; which quite often leads to irrational decisions. Tadic is just what we need. Kostunica or Nikolic would be even better but Tadic and Jeremic can do too; when it comes to Kosova there's no difference between them. Cedo on the other hand could set us back with his views. He seem like a true moderate unlike these relics you have now. A true moderate would have the West's interests and that is not good for us. That is competition. With Tadic and Jeremic that competition fades as they seem to have the tendency to confront the West thinking they can outsmart them and out-power them. Even if we shopped for boneheaded policies like that we wouldn't be able to find them.

"He could actually help to assist kosovo albanian democracy and sideline leaders you don't deserve."

-- A hardcore like Tadic and Jeremic would only elongate and strengthen the power of those that lead today. I say hardcore because when it comes to Kosova and Albanians Tadic and Jeremic are no different from Kostunica, Milosevcic, Seselj, Nikolic. Cedo on the other hand could have some effect.

P.S You are in no position to decide who deserves to lead us and who doesn't. We get to choose and we choose through our votes.

Albion

pre 13 godina

Tadić said that the objections to Serbia’s resolution did not come from any EU institutions, but from individual foreign ministries of member-states.
Ahhhh, go and figure this out.
And which institutions these foreign ministers represent? Do you mean to tell us these ministers are not telling you officially?

PRO-SERBIA

pre 13 godina

Hey EA! Read the ICJ decision. It is only for the "declaration" and not the issue regarding right of secession.
Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...

johny

pre 13 godina

"Serbia will never recognize Kosovo. That is a red line that we will not cross,” Tadić said, adding that he has informed Western leaders of that stance.


“We believe that our resolution is full of compromises. I believe that no one can be against negotiations,” Tadić said, adding that negotiations between Belgrade and Priština would be a chance to solve the historical conflict between the Albanian and Serbian people."


--Never going to happen with an attitude like that. Nobody is stupid enough to talk to you when you say Serbia will never recognize Kosova. Under those conditions everyone can indeed be against negotiations. It is ludicrous to call for negotiations with the other side while maintaining the rigid stance of autonomy. We have no incentives whatsoever to talk to Serbia about something that in the end amounts only to an administrative readjustment in the eyes of the Serbs and in the eyes of the Serb constitution. Such a proposal is not only asinine but it is fuel for the hatred that exists between our to people. I personally find such comments indecent, offensive, and narrow-minded. However that is expected. Whenever Tadic or any Serb opens their mouth and comes with asinine comments like the ones above our resolve becomes only stronger. We will never sit and talk with relics that still have the mentality of subjugation of another people. If you want to talk about that then talk to yourselves. Take that red line and shove it you know where; and stop busting our chops and complaining about dialog when under the supreme law of the land you are not allowed to talk about anything else but autonomy. Putting it simply; autonomy is not good enough to even wipe our behinds let alone foolishly sit around the table with dinosaurs like Tadic.

EA

pre 13 godina

"He said that Serbia would continue fighting for Kosovo, even though ITS LEGAL ANGLES HAVE BEEN DEPLETED after after the decision of the International Court of Justice."

THANKS GOD for seeing that!
Now tell us Mr President or give us ONE REASON why the Kosovo Albanians should accept to be under Serbian sovereignity as that is all about? What Serbia has done to make for Kosovo Albanians appealing to return under Serbian sovereignity? So the so-called "fight for Kosovo" is purely political Serbian speculation mainly as a consumption for Serbia's public. I am sorry for being blunt again!

KU

pre 13 godina

Is that Dodik behind Tadic? It looks similar to Dodik. Are those maps behind the two of them? How is this picture related to this article? funny :).

ahmet

pre 13 godina

“We believe that our resolution is full of compromises. I believe that no one can be against negotiations,” Tadić said, adding that negotiations between Belgrade and Priština would be a chance to solve the historical conflict between the Albanian and Serbian people.

unfortunately the train has left the station Mr Tadic!

bganon

pre 13 godina

Johny you need to get a grasp of negotiation and diplmatic process.

Anybody who has studied international relations knows that you do not move much from your starting position until negotiations begin.

You are only looking for excuses to not negotiate.

Tadic has done a great job in recent days, as much as can be done. Perhaps that is what worries you. But, I don't think you have anything to fear from Tadic. He could actually help to assist kosovo albanian democracy and sideline leaders you don't deserve.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Is that Dodik behind Tadic? It looks similar to Dodik. Are those maps behind the two of them? How is this picture related to this article? funny :).
(KU)
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Something to worry about if you ask me, and I know you didn't. ;)

dht

pre 13 godina

1. President Tadić:

"“The fight for Kosovo would be continued on a peaceful and diplomatic road,” Tadić said."


2. dht:

Yes, Mr. President, plan A, problem solution by peaceful diplomatic negotiations, is the best solution.

However, what shall happen, if plan A fails, and if Priština tries to gain control over the north of Kosovo by using force ? Or if incidents like that which occured in 2004 will happen again ?

If one of these events occurs, will you, Mr. President, send your troops to protect the Serbs, Roma, etc. ?

And if you are not sending your troops, will your government support us in protecting the Serbs, Roma, etc., or will it at least tolerate the necessities, or will your government hamper us ?

About 15 years ago a Serbian president betrayed Serbs:
Slobodan Milošević betrayed the Krajina Serbs, he didn´t help them although he knew that the Croats had concrete plans to conquer the Krajina.

Shall this betrayal happen again ?

miri

pre 13 godina

bganon, are you really such an utopist to believe that new negotiations would start while both parties hold on to the same positions that caused the negotiations to be rendered useless two years ago? Where is the logic on this? How on earth would these parties be convinced to sit at the same table while you paint your red lines all over the "negotiation" table?

Serbia will never be able to convince the West to withdraw the support for K-Independence.

I am saying this because that is the core of your "negotiations", that is what you hope and aim for. You don't want negotiations, you know it can't be any negotiations, it's insane to even propose any negotiations under given circumstances. You want to continue the same brute force methodology and arrogance towards K-Albanians that you have applied for centuries and since you can't do it yourselves this time, you hope in vain to convince the West to get dirty and do it for you. This is your attitude that K-Albanians have no say over what is according to you the heavenly Serbian territory. Frankly, with rare exceptions like Ceda and few others, when it comes to K-Albanians Serbs don't know any better.

Prove me wrong, leave general wording aside and make me an offer to start negotiating with you but you must know that I will not cross the red line on the territorial integrity of Kosova. With all due respect is completely idiotic to talk about negotiations. It's smarter to even make empty military threats, than to try to "convince" K-Albanians (or convince the West to force K-Albanians) to sit with you and discuss your red belts.

My compliments Johnny for the clarity and concise comment.

RKS

pre 13 godina

What I want to know EA is he said the resolution was "full of compromises", than why are you sending a group of experts to Brussels ???

johny

pre 13 godina

"johny you need to get a grasp of negotiation and diplmatic process.

Anybody who has studied international relations knows that you do not move much from your starting position until negotiations begin. You are only looking for excuses to not negotiate. "

--This is complete BS. What starting position are you talking about? They sat for 2 years and not only Serbia didn't move an inch but it made its position even more rigid by taking a unilateral step that was against the very same principles they had agreed with during negotiations; that is no side should preempt status. Serbia did that exactly by adopting a constitution that made it illegal for any Serb to mention any other word other than autonomy. The Serb constitution clearly defines that autonomy is the starting and the final position and illegalized any other positions. As long as the current constitution is in place there are no other positions that Serbia can take that would not be illegal. Nobody is foolish enough sitting on a table with a side that is obliged under the supreme law of its land to have only one position. There is nothing else to talk about when such position is clear. Accepting to sit on a table with the Serbs as long as the current Constitution is in power equals acceptance to Serbia's constitutional order; which in laymens terms means you are accepting the fact that you are sitting down to discuss only changes in the administrative issues and reintegrating yourself into Serbia in agreement with the Serb constitution. This is no excuse; this is the situation and reality which we are faced with as long as the current constitution remains in place. Nobody is foolish enough to buy your lame excuses about starting positions. The constitution is clear, for two years during negotiations Serbia's actions have been clear, since 1999 Serbia's actions have been clear; that is autonomy is the beginning and the end. There are no other positions in Serbia other than autonomy which are lawful and do not break the Serb constitution and its constitutional order. If you want to negotiate further and want a compromise you do not take of the table all other positions in through a ready made, brand spanking new constitution claiming to subjugate those you deny the right to vote. The constitution is the legal framework upon which the state of Serbia functions. It is malicious and insincere to claim to want a compromise and negotiate yet claim that such a compromise is only possible if its in accordance with your legal framework because you decided so when you didn't let the other side of the story vote for such a constitution. Such an argument is asinine. The other argument that such a constitution does not constitute a problem is even more naive and asinine as I explained above. The enemy for those negotiations and compromise you claim is nothing else but Serbia Constitution. You draw red lines now live with them. Its simple.



"Tadic has done a great job in recent days, as much as can be done. Perhaps that is what worries you. But, I don't think you have anything to fear from Tadic. "

-- Actually if you've read my posts you would have figured by now that I want the likes of Tadic to remain in power for at least another 20 years. It is the likes of Cedo that worry me. His policies are very liked by the West and that doesn't do much service to our cause. The boneheaded moves of Tadic and Jeremic are what we need for another 2 decades. We need their confrontational ways with the West and we need their impulsive policy making; which quite often leads to irrational decisions. Tadic is just what we need. Kostunica or Nikolic would be even better but Tadic and Jeremic can do too; when it comes to Kosova there's no difference between them. Cedo on the other hand could set us back with his views. He seem like a true moderate unlike these relics you have now. A true moderate would have the West's interests and that is not good for us. That is competition. With Tadic and Jeremic that competition fades as they seem to have the tendency to confront the West thinking they can outsmart them and out-power them. Even if we shopped for boneheaded policies like that we wouldn't be able to find them.

"He could actually help to assist kosovo albanian democracy and sideline leaders you don't deserve."

-- A hardcore like Tadic and Jeremic would only elongate and strengthen the power of those that lead today. I say hardcore because when it comes to Kosova and Albanians Tadic and Jeremic are no different from Kostunica, Milosevcic, Seselj, Nikolic. Cedo on the other hand could have some effect.

P.S You are in no position to decide who deserves to lead us and who doesn't. We get to choose and we choose through our votes.

PRO-SERBIA

pre 13 godina

Hey EA! Read the ICJ decision. It is only for the "declaration" and not the issue regarding right of secession.
Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...

bganon

pre 13 godina

miri why the anger? Are you not keeping up with current events Serbia is prepared to negotiate as I've always said.

Why don't you comment on the Croatian report saying whether it is acceptible to you or not?

Really don't understand why you don't want to grab any opportunity to end this with both hands. Instead you want to go over old ground, dredging up negativity. Really I've read some of your posts where I detect a good sort. Now that a potential deal has been put on the table you are going off the rails. Why?

Johny stop wasting your time with the word constitution. I'm not interested. Constitutions are there to be changed and are not written in stone. If the Serbian or any government decides to pass something that is contrary to the constitution they will and if necessary the constitution will be amended. End of.

I can see how deep your hatred of Serbia is. You have this attitude of zero sum - ie what is good for Serbia is bad for Kosovo (Albanians) and vice versa. I pity you, I really do, I don't believe that for a second.

I see the world in terms of power elites and ordinary people. 'They' are mostly the same 'we' must fight them and make common cause as they manipulate us for their own interests. We must work out what our interests are and not allow them to persude policies that damage us.

Look at it this way, so deep seated is your hatred of Serbia that you would rather see Kosovo continue to suffer than for us both to benefit? Why do I say that? You say that you don't want Cedo in power in Serbia, even though it would mean Kosovo would be recognised and it would be the beginning of normalisation of the Kosovo situation, from your perspective at least. But because of your obsession with seeing Serbia do badly you would rather have Tadic / Kostunica in power so the conflict goes on eternally???

I'm sorry but I don't think that you are all there. This is a journey for normal people who want to improve their lives. Those who are too deranged to get on the train can remain on the platform and rant about constitutions if it makes them happy.

Mark

pre 13 godina

The Serb constitution clearly defines that autonomy is the starting and the final position and illegalized any other positions. As long as the current constitution is in place there are no other positions that Serbia can take that would not be illegal.
(johny, 29 August 2010 06:37)

Precisely this shows the non-sense of the Serbia's diplomatic fight. Serbia's argument goes that without Serbia's recognition Kosovo will never become a UN member. This on itself is ridiculous as Kosovo will not renounce independence for a UN seat. But, even if Kosovo was stupid enough to give up its independence and accept the autonomy that Serbia offers, it still will not become a UN member since it will only be an autonomous province of Serbia. So, I don't get why Kosovo should accept autonomy for something (UN membership) that it will not get anyway.

Jim

pre 13 godina

Bganon - well said!

Johny - seriously, you need some help! You really are the most hateful poster on these boards. Your anger and spite is really unbelievable. More to the point it seems to stop you from engaging in any sort of rational discussion.

Albion

pre 13 godina

“Serbia will never recognize Kosovo. That is a red line that we will not cross,” Tadić said, adding that he has informed Western leaders of that stance.
We have red lines as well Tadic, drawn with permanent markers too, that can not be changed.
First of all never say never.
Second, you informed Western leaders about Serbia's stance, and they replied back to you with their stance. Now let's see whose stance will prevail.
Serbia is loosing the rigid stance about the resolution, negotiations under way in Brussels is a sign of backing down Mr. Tadic.
I don't understand why Serbia is leading such policy, as they are holding the bargaining chips about Kosova. Don,t they think that Kosova has nothing to talk about the independence with Serbia. Kosova is free and independent, why would they sit with Serbia and put the freedom back on the bargaining table? Do you take us for fools or you not capable enough to understand that as far as Kosova is concerned freedom is not negotiable.
Its like telling someone that built a house, paid for it, come and sit now to negotiate about ownership and control.

Albion

pre 13 godina

Tadić said that the objections to Serbia’s resolution did not come from any EU institutions, but from individual foreign ministries of member-states.
Ahhhh, go and figure this out.
And which institutions these foreign ministers represent? Do you mean to tell us these ministers are not telling you officially?

EA

pre 13 godina

Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...
(PRO-SERBIA, 29 August 2010 09:39)

Bad for Serbia! It lost Kosovo and it will defenetely lose EU if it continues to be obstructive. These are FACTS. You can say one thousand time that Kosovo is Serbia but the REALITY is that Kosovo is very Albanian you like it or not. More than 95 per cent of Kosovo population are pure Albanians, they speak Albanian and feel very strongly Albanians. You are talking nonsense that Kosovo is Serbian which is a wishful thinking.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

Hey EA! Read the ICJ decision. It is only for the "declaration" and not the issue regarding right of secession.
Serbia will continue the fight even costing the EU membership bcoz Kosovo is Serbia...
(PRO-SERBIA, 29 August 2010 09:39)

Didn't you ask that question yourself ? You got a clear answer on what your question was. why didn't you ask the other question, and i bet you my last $ , you will have received a clear cut answer, once again.