"Serbia open to changes to UN GA draft"

So one Deputy PM (Dacic) says amendements can be made while another Deputy PM (Božidar Đelić) says it will not be changed - who is telling the truth?

- what a total shambles and time for DS and & co to move aside and let a new government which truly has Serbia's interest (economic & soverignity) first and foremost at the center of its policy - not one that puts all that EUSSR demands first and foremost (with profit (back handed pay-offs) for a select few) at the cost to soverignity and prosperity of all Serbians.

Time for Serbia to move on and drop this shambolic government that clearly has no idea what the left hand does from the right hand.

There's no other way to go. Without EU and US money there is no money to pay anyone in Serbia. Your well being depends on EU and the US; no matter how much you hate to hear that, that's the simple fact.

It is interesting that other countries may be preparing a draft that will affect another UN member's sovereign interests and rights. This would be a very big deal if UNSCR 1244 wasn't in place. Any drafts should be firmly based on that resolution.

I am sure Serbia is and will be open for resolution negociations, there is no two ways about it. Otherways no access to EU, and EU is the only card left for the serbian government to play it right to aphease the serbs. Because if that EU access card fails, there will be very unhappy campers in Serbia.

"There's no other way to go. Without EU and US money there is no money to pay anyone in Serbia.
johny

Because the money of those supposedly rich BRIC countries is just not comming.

"There's no other way to go. Without EU and US money there is no money to pay anyone in Serbia. "

- oh dear what did the whole world do before the EU ? - you know that collective of european nations a that never existed prior to 1951 ( at that point known as European Coal and Steel Community formed among six countries) and then for many decades just a a loose association of member states driving trade amongst each other.

Oh and much could be said of the US who only gained influence

What money are you talking of - collectively the US & EU are highly indebted the respective external debts for a few countries;

United States
$13,450,000,000,000 - as of 30 June 2009 thats $43,758 per capita & 94% as of GDP.
United Kingdom
$9,088,000,000,000 as of 30 June 2009 $147,060 per capita or 416% of GDP.
Germany
$5,208,000,000,000 as of 30 June 2009 $63,493 per capita or 155% GDP
France
$5,021,000,000,000 30 June 2009 $80,209 per capita & 188% of GDP

- given the appauling financial year all of the above have had these figures are no doubt much larger.

Serbia does not need to follow this path - far from it its a false economy built on nothing but ever greater debt!

Serbia does not need to follow this path - far from it its a false economy built on nothing but ever greater debt!
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 21 August 2010 19:46)

Then why do you need their money every year and beg for their money every year?

P.S Many things have changed since the 50's. Each of the Jougslav members now works for its own. Unlike the 50's you can't tap into those resources anymore. Unlike the 50's economic policy in the EU is not only set by individual countries. You wanna do business with individual countries they have to follow certain policies; such a s taxation and what and who they buy things from. The 50's are gone forever.
As to all those debts you mention you take 3 or 4 corporations and they're reacher than those non EU countries you portray as your saviors.

I do not think EU has too much money. The world is rather upside down right now. The people of the Balkans seem to think everyone is loaded. Forget it.

(johny, 21 August 2010 22:30)


What wealth are you talking about? The US/EU? The Pakistani floods has lifted the lid on the myth of wealthy western countries. The UN has stated that most of these countries have promised donations for this natural disaster, but very little has been given – in fact the UN agency involved claims its “the worst since UN commenced”. The west has run out of money.
I have no idea what the 1950s have to do with today. Corporations are not countries, nor do they hold allegiance to any state – they are there to maximize profits only and will not bail out the US or EU out of the goodness of their hearts unless there is a huge pile of cash for them. The EU cannot just tap into a Corporation’s capital. Next time think a little harder before putting pen to paper.

are they open to changes or not?

every other day some politician or other says something different.

all the games, lies, schemes has caught up to them and now the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing.

(sj, 22 August 2010 06:29)

The problem here is that Serbia is in worse situation than those EU countries you are understimating in comparison to Serbia. All I see is they still issuing loans to Serbia unlike those BRIC emerging countries.
So far I have seen almost nothing coming to Serbia from Russia and China unless asphalting of some roads from China and unending disuccions about the conditions for the loan of some 2 billion dollars promised by Medvedev.
As you are advising Johny to think before he pick up the pen, I would suggest you to only put a look to this website before you even prepare your finger to type any comment. The category Economic Crisis in Serbia is my suggestion for you.
After reading that I will guarantee you will not have time to think of any problems elsewhere.

The problem here is that Serbia is in worse situation than those EU countries you are understimating in comparison to Serbia. All I see is they still issuing loans to Serbia unlike those BRIC emerging countries.
So far I have seen almost nothing coming to Serbia from Russia and China unless asphalting of some roads from China and unending disuccions about the conditions for the loan of some 2 billion dollars promised by Medvedev.
As you are advising Johny to think before he pick up the pen, I would suggest you to only put a look to this website before you even prepare your finger to type any comment. The category Economic Crisis in Serbia is my suggestion for you.
After reading that I will guarantee you will not have time to think of any problems elsewhere.
(Simpatiku, 22 August 2010 17:12)


There is an economic crisis in the entire world and not only Serbia or has that managed to evade you? If you think that for a moment that its the west that lends money to Serbia then I’m sorry to disappoint you.

The IMF/World bank was on the brink of shutting their doors as a result of the GFC because they had exhausted all their money on trying to bail out the west –like it or not this is fact and not fiction. There is a myth the west like to perpetuate that rich countries issue bonds while the poor go through the IMF/World Bank.

Japan gave 300 billion but that was not near enough to keep the doors open so they went to China pleading for help. China demands were met and it then poured billions into these institutions. China has a BIG BIG in these institutions. The west may play this down but I can tell you that Ronald Regan must be spinning in his grave right now.

How does 20 billion dollars sound. Governments can and do tap into corporate money. Follow BP's case a little bit. Governments can make corporations do certain things if need arises. As BP showed they did tap into BP's money. The reason can be anything.
(johny, 24 August 2010 08:25)

BP was drilling for oil and due its negligence caused the world’s worst spill. Legally speaking there is a clear line of responsibility here – no questions about it. That is the reason BP accepted liability.

The US government cannot just “tap” into a corporation’s funds because it has a need for money. In fact it’s Corporations that run the US and not the people. Never forget that you current and previous Presidents/politicians all worked in Corporations. Have a look at Dick Chaney et al.

20 billion is a “spit” in a large barrel full of water. It will take anything up to 20 to 30 times that amount to have any affect on that oil spill.

If you think that politicians are going to ruin the very organisations that make them rich then think very hard again. There is every chance the ordinary taxpayer will foot the majority of the cleanup bill.

the only thing Serbia can count on from Russia financially... is that Russia will happily loan Serbia whatever money it needs for the privilege of maintaining and improving the infrastructure and tech that revolves around the storage and movement of Russian gas that is for sale to the euro market.

The EU cannot just tap into a Corporation’s capital. Next time think a little harder before putting pen to paper.
(sj, 22 August 2010 06:29)

How does 20 billion dollars sound. Governments can and do tap into corporate money. Follow BP's case a little bit. Governments can make corporations do certain things if need arises. As BP showed they did tap into BP's money. The reason can be anything.

In fact it’s Corporations that run the US and not the people. Never forget that you current and previous Presidents/politicians all worked in Corporations. Have a look at Dick Chaney et al.
(sj, 25 August 2010 02:45)

They're either not one and the same and one doesn't run each other and cannot tap each other's resources other than through taxes; or they're one and the same and they have access to their own resources.

So one Deputy PM (Dacic) says amendements can be made while another Deputy PM (Božidar Đelić) says it will not be changed - who is telling the truth?

- what a total shambles and time for DS and & co to move aside and let a new government which truly has Serbia's interest (economic & soverignity) first and foremost at the center of its policy - not one that puts all that EUSSR demands first and foremost (with profit (back handed pay-offs) for a select few) at the cost to soverignity and prosperity of all Serbians.

Time for Serbia to move on and drop this shambolic government that clearly has no idea what the left hand does from the right hand.

"There's no other way to go. Without EU and US money there is no money to pay anyone in Serbia. "

- oh dear what did the whole world do before the EU ? - you know that collective of european nations a that never existed prior to 1951 ( at that point known as European Coal and Steel Community formed among six countries) and then for many decades just a a loose association of member states driving trade amongst each other.

Oh and much could be said of the US who only gained influence

What money are you talking of - collectively the US & EU are highly indebted the respective external debts for a few countries;

United States
$13,450,000,000,000 - as of 30 June 2009 thats $43,758 per capita & 94% as of GDP.
United Kingdom
$9,088,000,000,000 as of 30 June 2009 $147,060 per capita or 416% of GDP.
Germany
$5,208,000,000,000 as of 30 June 2009 $63,493 per capita or 155% GDP
France
$5,021,000,000,000 30 June 2009 $80,209 per capita & 188% of GDP

- given the appauling financial year all of the above have had these figures are no doubt much larger.

Serbia does not need to follow this path - far from it its a false economy built on nothing but ever greater debt!

There's no other way to go. Without EU and US money there is no money to pay anyone in Serbia. Your well being depends on EU and the US; no matter how much you hate to hear that, that's the simple fact.

It is interesting that other countries may be preparing a draft that will affect another UN member's sovereign interests and rights. This would be a very big deal if UNSCR 1244 wasn't in place. Any drafts should be firmly based on that resolution.

I am sure Serbia is and will be open for resolution negociations, there is no two ways about it. Otherways no access to EU, and EU is the only card left for the serbian government to play it right to aphease the serbs. Because if that EU access card fails, there will be very unhappy campers in Serbia.

"There's no other way to go. Without EU and US money there is no money to pay anyone in Serbia.
johny

Because the money of those supposedly rich BRIC countries is just not comming.

Serbia does not need to follow this path - far from it its a false economy built on nothing but ever greater debt!
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 21 August 2010 19:46)

Then why do you need their money every year and beg for their money every year?

P.S Many things have changed since the 50's. Each of the Jougslav members now works for its own. Unlike the 50's you can't tap into those resources anymore. Unlike the 50's economic policy in the EU is not only set by individual countries. You wanna do business with individual countries they have to follow certain policies; such a s taxation and what and who they buy things from. The 50's are gone forever.
As to all those debts you mention you take 3 or 4 corporations and they're reacher than those non EU countries you portray as your saviors.

are they open to changes or not?

every other day some politician or other says something different.

all the games, lies, schemes has caught up to them and now the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing.

(sj, 22 August 2010 06:29)

The problem here is that Serbia is in worse situation than those EU countries you are understimating in comparison to Serbia. All I see is they still issuing loans to Serbia unlike those BRIC emerging countries.
So far I have seen almost nothing coming to Serbia from Russia and China unless asphalting of some roads from China and unending disuccions about the conditions for the loan of some 2 billion dollars promised by Medvedev.
As you are advising Johny to think before he pick up the pen, I would suggest you to only put a look to this website before you even prepare your finger to type any comment. The category Economic Crisis in Serbia is my suggestion for you.
After reading that I will guarantee you will not have time to think of any problems elsewhere.

(johny, 21 August 2010 22:30)


What wealth are you talking about? The US/EU? The Pakistani floods has lifted the lid on the myth of wealthy western countries. The UN has stated that most of these countries have promised donations for this natural disaster, but very little has been given – in fact the UN agency involved claims its “the worst since UN commenced”. The west has run out of money.
I have no idea what the 1950s have to do with today. Corporations are not countries, nor do they hold allegiance to any state – they are there to maximize profits only and will not bail out the US or EU out of the goodness of their hearts unless there is a huge pile of cash for them. The EU cannot just tap into a Corporation’s capital. Next time think a little harder before putting pen to paper.

the only thing Serbia can count on from Russia financially... is that Russia will happily loan Serbia whatever money it needs for the privilege of maintaining and improving the infrastructure and tech that revolves around the storage and movement of Russian gas that is for sale to the euro market.

I do not think EU has too much money. The world is rather upside down right now. The people of the Balkans seem to think everyone is loaded. Forget it.

The problem here is that Serbia is in worse situation than those EU countries you are understimating in comparison to Serbia. All I see is they still issuing loans to Serbia unlike those BRIC emerging countries.
So far I have seen almost nothing coming to Serbia from Russia and China unless asphalting of some roads from China and unending disuccions about the conditions for the loan of some 2 billion dollars promised by Medvedev.
As you are advising Johny to think before he pick up the pen, I would suggest you to only put a look to this website before you even prepare your finger to type any comment. The category Economic Crisis in Serbia is my suggestion for you.
After reading that I will guarantee you will not have time to think of any problems elsewhere.
(Simpatiku, 22 August 2010 17:12)


There is an economic crisis in the entire world and not only Serbia or has that managed to evade you? If you think that for a moment that its the west that lends money to Serbia then I’m sorry to disappoint you.

The IMF/World bank was on the brink of shutting their doors as a result of the GFC because they had exhausted all their money on trying to bail out the west –like it or not this is fact and not fiction. There is a myth the west like to perpetuate that rich countries issue bonds while the poor go through the IMF/World Bank.

Japan gave 300 billion but that was not near enough to keep the doors open so they went to China pleading for help. China demands were met and it then poured billions into these institutions. China has a BIG BIG in these institutions. The west may play this down but I can tell you that Ronald Regan must be spinning in his grave right now.

The EU cannot just tap into a Corporation’s capital. Next time think a little harder before putting pen to paper.
(sj, 22 August 2010 06:29)

How does 20 billion dollars sound. Governments can and do tap into corporate money. Follow BP's case a little bit. Governments can make corporations do certain things if need arises. As BP showed they did tap into BP's money. The reason can be anything.

How does 20 billion dollars sound. Governments can and do tap into corporate money. Follow BP's case a little bit. Governments can make corporations do certain things if need arises. As BP showed they did tap into BP's money. The reason can be anything.
(johny, 24 August 2010 08:25)

BP was drilling for oil and due its negligence caused the world’s worst spill. Legally speaking there is a clear line of responsibility here – no questions about it. That is the reason BP accepted liability.

The US government cannot just “tap” into a corporation’s funds because it has a need for money. In fact it’s Corporations that run the US and not the people. Never forget that you current and previous Presidents/politicians all worked in Corporations. Have a look at Dick Chaney et al.

20 billion is a “spit” in a large barrel full of water. It will take anything up to 20 to 30 times that amount to have any affect on that oil spill.

If you think that politicians are going to ruin the very organisations that make them rich then think very hard again. There is every chance the ordinary taxpayer will foot the majority of the cleanup bill.

In fact it’s Corporations that run the US and not the people. Never forget that you current and previous Presidents/politicians all worked in Corporations. Have a look at Dick Chaney et al.
(sj, 25 August 2010 02:45)

They're either not one and the same and one doesn't run each other and cannot tap each other's resources other than through taxes; or they're one and the same and they have access to their own resources.