K. Albanians "ready to use force"

1. dht:
"An important question for me is what would a honorable man like Kapetan Dragan do (if he could), if he would become aware of
- such threatening,
- the intimidation of the Serbs in north Kosovo by "Kosova Police Special Forces",
- the incidents which occured in 2004,
- the use of weapons against Serbs in Mitrovica (like the incident which occured at the beginning of July),
- the illegal export of heroin from "Kosova" to Serbia.
(dht, 20 August 2010 13:30)"


2. Simpatiku:
"Go and ask him in the prison cell.
(Simpatiku, 20 August 2010 14:38)"


3. dht´s reply:

I guess he would recommend to start training.

I wonder if Bondsteel wasn't behind the Albanians whether they would be brave enough to threaten the use of force?

From what I remember the last time they fought an organised Serbian force, they didn't fare very well...

Mr Redzepi, it was your legal team after all that argued for the principle of self-determination at the expense of territorial integrity...

Come on do it redzepi, do it. there will be a repeat of 1999 but only this time you wont be able to cry wolf. you'll be the first to hang. you want to talk about territorial integirty, go suck a lemon

Pristina continues to shoot itself in the foot.

For anyone to declare the North independent would firstly have to recognise that "Kosova" is independent. KiM is already a part of Serbia so there is no need to declare further independence.

Now, for that very small percentage of Serbians who are part of the Pristina organised parallel structures, they in fact could declare independence although they don't exist in the north. So they can go for an independent Strpce and that is the risk Pristina always faced when they organised parallel elections.

It is pretty obvious that the ICJ decision has opened a can of worms. The region is getting into a bigger mess as the West's projects in KiM and BiH begin to faulter.

The arrogance of the West is the biggest problem here as it really is time to negotiate a fair compromise for all.

Serbs wanting to secede from "Kosova" is not acceptable and the snake would use force to stop it but Kosovo seceding from Serbia is perfectly fine and no force was allowed. Gee, double standards all over again.
North Kosovo cannot secede from "Kosova" because that would mean acknowledging that "Kosova" was indeed a legitimate country.
Makes you wonder who distributed those leaflets. Perfect excuse to go after the Serbs.

All hot air from the Albanians. Let them try and use force.

These people are getting to be as bad as the United States of Windbags all yak, yak.

All for domestic consumption nothing else. Keep the Albos hoping things will change.

Business as usual.

Priština government's interior minister, Bajram Redzepi, is quoted by the newspaper as saying that in case of such a "secession", they were "ready to react, including an armed reaction, in order to protect the territorial integrity".

The utter, unbelievable, undiluted and provocative hypocrisy of this just leaves me shaking my head in total disbelief! Surely, surely, surely the international community has to now look at the response of the K Albs and at least begin to get a flicker of understanding as to why the UDI was a bad idea for the whole region. The one good thing from this will be the demonstration by Serbia as to just how restrained and patient she really can be. From a subjective standpoint I would like to repeat my admiration for her resolve under extreme provocation from many different sides. Keep up the good work Serbia.

This is worrying, has the stench of the yanks all over it. Fake a statement of independance, whip up tension, if we're lucky the Serbs react and then maybe we can fake a massacre again or something like that to demonise the Serbs, and then they can really get the bombers flying again.

I believe that Serbia somehow needs to enlist the help of Russia, China and whomever else to take back Kosovo.

Yes, i believe that it's time for some "shock and awe", but this time Serbia will be giving it.

Serbia is a small country and doesn't need small pockets of 2 million illegal aliens dismembering it's country, just so that the USA can have a strategic military base in the middle of europe.

What good for the goose(Kosova) is good for the Gander(Northern Kosovo) LOL this is funny. Now Pristina wants to move on Northern Kosovo this is going to hilarious. I can see Hasim running to the US and Germany saying please support us in our invasion. Yeah Right. So if Kosovo did not violate the rule of law so the if the people of the north want to do the same who can say anything. Don't complain about territory intergrity.

An important question for me is what would a honorable man like Kapetan Dragan do (if he could), if he would become aware of
- such threatening,
- the intimidation of the Serbs in north Kosovo by "Kosova Police Special Forces",
- the incidents which occured in 2004,
- the use of weapons against Serbs in Mitrovica (like the incident which occured at the beginning of July),
- the illegal export of heroin from "Kosova" to Serbia.

I don't know what's worse: that Pristina is actually taking this "phantom declaration" seriously, or that Rambo Rexhepi is ready to use force with someone else's army. It's funny how despite every provocation and every attempt to destabilize the region by Pristina over the past two years, Belgrade has said that it will pursue a non-violent approach to solving the Kosovo situation. Conversely, the slightest hint by some unknown group calling for northern Kosovo's secession and Pristina is "ready to use force" to defend territory it has no authority in. This should show one the maturity of Belgrade over Pristina. Funny how Albanians can quickly sound like Serbs when the tables are turned, no?

Asked whether this type of provocation and speculation could serve as an excuse for Priština to intervene in the northern, Serb areas, Samardžić said that the "real question is why the main lobbyist of an independent Kosovo Morton Abramowitz was pushing everywhere the story about a possible intervention".

Looks like somebody in the Team Albania camp is attempting to up the ante (and misonformed as well) on Tadic and Jeremic. If it did come about (highly unlikely anyway) war would be the inevitable outcome as there would be now way in hell Belgrade would sit idly by and watch tens of thousands of Serb and Roma refugees stream across the administrative line. In the end it would backfire badly on Pristina as their motley crew would come tumbling accross the bridge at Mitrovica in no time.

Nahh Albanians are not going to do anything. The West would be incapable to help them this time.

And Albanians are not stupid either. They know, without the West... the party would come to an end.

Without the West and its temporary imperial presence in the Balkans, you wouldn't be able to tell Pristina from Belgrade from Banja Luka.

Trust me, I hope they use force.. but when we walk across the Mitrovica bridge, please don't call it ethnic cleansing again.

and I get a border with Bulgaria. AND THIS IS A MUST.

Otherwise NO DEAL.
(ben, 20 August 2010 12:38)
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ben, what planet are you on?

and I get a border with Bulgaria. AND THIS IS A MUST.

Otherwise NO DEAL.

(ben, 20 August 2010 12:38)

I just had to have a little snigger at that one :-D

Ok ben, how about you give me the Earth, Sun, Moon and the stars and I will be a happy man. Is that a deal bro?

"real question is why the main lobbyist of an independent Kosovo Morton Abramowitz was pushing everywhere the story about a possible intervention".

Shalom, Mr. Abramowitz (NOT!) - shame on you. As you know it well - there is a nice traditional Jewish curse: "may you swallow an umbrella and may it open in your stomach!"

You make me antisemitic and it's a strong achievement.

Pretty odd - but Jews are very polarized. Way to many nice people and way to many S.O.B.-s. Guess, what group Morton Abramowitz does belong to.

Seems as using force is the last solution for north, hope it doesnt come to that.

It should be noted by UNSC and all relevant authorities in charge of keeping peace in Kosovo of the verbal threat of using force by this unstable tin horn Albanian official.All issues in regard to Kosovo can and should be resolve peacefully.However, its infinitely more difficult when threat of force is on the negotiating table.UNSC should carefully examine the situation in Kosovo.Apparently there is not enough progress made of bringing Albanians to the level needed to live peacefully in pluralistic society.They are still in terrorist mode meaning, attack and destroy anything they do not agree or like.EULEX,KFOR UNMIK should remain in Kosovo until that society reach the levels of maturity and civility,indispensable elements of the free and tolerant society.

dht

Well, Kapetan Dragan would set up a Lemonaide stand and take care of business, as usual of course.

they were "ready to react, including an armed reaction, in order to protect the territorial integrity".

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But what about territorial integrity of Serbia!

After all, afther The Hague Verdict everyone (!) is free to declare independence!

I am totally against any use of force in North Kosova.

North Kosova is part of the old Serbia Rashka.

Parts of Rashka were added to Kosova during the 50s (I think) and in the same time from Kosova was cutt off the Presheva valley.

Serbs with it wanted to inflate their numbers in Kosova and decrease the Albanian.

Thus I think it's fair that Rashka goes back with Serbia where it belongs and Presheva valley back to Kosova.

Of course the maps that Serbia is circulating and presenting as 'fair deal' are ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

Serbia wants 30% of Kosova and in exchange is NOT ready to give what has stolen during the 50s:

Medveda (which btw means border) with surrounding villages
Bujanovc (wityh her villages)
Presheva's- villages on the east of the highway BG-Athens.

The only thing that Serbia is presenting as 'fair deal' is the city of Presheva with her villages on her west side for 30% of Kosova possibly drwan in such a chameleon way that Kosova could not function.

Well no Hose. You get Rashka I get:

Medveda - ALL with her villages
Bujanovc - ALL
Presheva- ALL

and I get a border with Bulgaria. AND THIS IS A MUST.

Otherwise NO DEAL.

I would personally even give up of Gracanica but I cannot say to half million Albaniand in Prishtina:

hey why don't you move somewhere else since I want to give 20 thousand Serbs of Gracanica to Serbia.

You do understand that is would be simply idiotic???

So you get what you can: that is- you will get the lands where you live in COMPACT territories and you are in MAJORITY. And that is the case with: Zvecan, Zubin Potok and Leposavic - your Rashka. PERIOD.

You cannot get Gracanica or Strpce: it is not our fault because you are living a semi-nomad life and each time you cross 2 monatians and find a valey that you like you declare it to be yours.

it seems like those k-albanian leaders are losing their hopes...

and it also seems like they are reduced to provoke further conflict, in order to keep themselves in position.

weak policy by those "heroes", but good for Serbia!

it´s not that I doubt in Serbia´s capability to wipe away these simple criminals, but those K-albanians who do not dare to open their mouth because of those brutal criminals, ...those who would rather live in peace and prosperity in southern Serbia than in a corrupt and isolated "kosovaaahhh" ...

would only suffer from a new conflict. so, Serbia will return peacefully, I am convinced.

only if every other means fails should Serbia take the "wild-card" and handle it with adequate force.

but that won´t be necessary, since the greater-albanian dreamers will isolate themselves, sooner or later.

just a question of time.

and as it looks like, these criminals are losing their nerves sooner than expected.

"Go ahead, make my day." I see a lot of desparation coming from the albos who did not get their 35 recognitions and fear a status negotiation resolution from the General Assembly. Hey, america is giving up in Iraq. Soon it will give up on you!

Ben you mean that you are finally ready to enter into negotiations on status in Kosovo?

Your position is fine as a starting position in a negotiation but if you think that any parts of Serbia proper that contain a Serb majority will be traded you are mistaken.

But I'm glad you are ready to trade anyway.

//Tblisi government's president, Mikheil Sakaasjvili, is quoted by the newspaper as saying that in case of such a "secession", they were "ready to react, including an armed reaction, in order to protect the territorial integrity".

Furthermore, Sakaashvili said, "those who would go for such a move would be arrested".//

Uuh-ooh, considering how overly positive NATO was to this kind of reasoning and behaviour in 2008, I think the North is pretty much safe.

Unless the trend of foolish, aggressive, and irresponsible behaviour that have plagued small countries (Israel also comes to mind - together with Georgia) lately will also hit Kosovo....

Old Mort Abramowitz. This guy has been an albanian and croatian agent since the early 90's. Everybody knows this. He was also deeply involved in openly supporting cheechen terrorists in russia. As a matter of fact, after the beslan scholl massacre old mort expressed his support for the killers of the russian children. He is a shadowy figure who moves amongst a shadowy circle of influential lobbyists, pseudo-new york politicians and albanian drug gangs.All have become filthy rich at the expense of serbian victims in bosnia, kosovo and croatia.

This bogus declaration coming out of kosovo is the work of abramowitz and his cabal. Its purpose is to set the stage for an armed albanian invasion of serbs in the north. Abramowitz and his allies in the pentagon are almost convinced that Tadic and his government will do absolutly nothing in the face of thuis aggression. And they are right in that assumption.

At the same time the timely problems in novi pazar and amongst serbias muslims are also prearranged events to pressure serbia and instill fear amongst its people. This is a grand game a certain group of influential and wealthy people have played for many years at the expense of serbia. The game continues will serbia fold as usuall or call thier bluff?

@Serbian posters

Trading Presevo valley for North Kosovo does not work for me.

The fact is Serbs control both Presevo and North Kosovo, so a trade means Serbs gain nothing but actually lose.

Also, a trade like that means many Serbs in Bujanovac would have to be uprooted. If you look at the ethnic breakdown of Bujanovac most of the land there is inhabited by Serbs. In short, this trade would hurt Serbs, and doesn't take into account the Serbs south of the Ibar.

I'm not against making deals or even possible swaps of land with Albanians some day in the future, but that time hasn't come yet.

If Serbs want to sell out please make sure the price you get is very high.

well. bring it on boys, talk is talk...walk the walk :)

What a fuzz! Since the ICJ ruling, we know that UDIs by some minority group of a state are not against international law! Or is the problem here that Kosovo is not a state but still a Serbian province, and so it makes no sense to declare independence? ;-)

Kosovo is ready to protect it's territorial integrity! Oh so territorial integrity is valid for Kosova but not Serbia. The world can't afford to be selective on the question of territorial integrity.

An important question for me is what would a honorable man like Kapetan Dragan do (if he could), if he would become aware of
- such threatening,
- the intimidation of the Serbs in north Kosovo by "Kosova Police Special Forces",
- the incidents which occured in 2004,
- the use of weapons against Serbs in Mitrovica (like the incident which occured at the beginning of July),
- the illegal export of heroin from "Kosova" to Serbia.
(dht, 20 August 2010 13:30)

Go and ask him in the prison cell.

But I'm glad you are ready to trade anyway.
(bganon, 20 August 2010 14:21)
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Perhaps we can give them access to Bulgaria for access to the Adriatic via Albania?

Well no Hose. You get Rashka I get:

Medveda - ALL with her villages
Bujanovc - ALL
Presheva- ALL

and I get a border with Bulgaria. AND THIS IS A MUST.


(ben, 20 August 2010 12:38)


Ben,

Medvedja is 70% populated by Serbs!

It would be a lot better if those 30% of Serbs who live in Presevo and Bujanoc could trade their lands and homes with the 30% of Albanians who live in Medvedja.


As far as Kosovo/Serbia speculation of trade for peace is concerned, It is quite logical in my view! And you can’t expect 30% of Kosovo for an equal amount of land in Serbia. That will never happen!!!

North Kosovo for Presevo and Bujanoc would calm the situation although not to an extent without giving special status to Grachanica or other enclaves inhabited by Serbs.

This wouldn’t inflame other regions such as Macedonia, Bosnia if this proposal came from Serbian government and were to be accepted by US and EU rather than media speculations that aren’t supported by Belgrade or Prishtina.

By the way you sound like Agamemnon from the movie Troy, who says I give that and I get this. Under whose authorisation????????

I dunno Bganon, I think it might be OK to do an exchange of Medveda (now Serbian majority) for important concessions on historical and cultural areas of Kosovo (Gracanica for example).

Ben, interesting to hear you sound rational.

@balkan brains..."the west" has already said - shown - proved it will be irrational - unbalanced - crazy regarding its opinions in serbia..so while your comment is obvious "the west" says no and what will serbia do about it !! .. we dont lose unless we lose !! stay strong serbiaaaaa!!

I would like to go to visit Beligrade but I m a bit scary cos I m Albanian so thats very bad and I invite all serbs with good will to come and visit Prishtina when ever they want ,, so the freedom of movement and freedom of speech is needed in these balkan areas, Live the life in peace and quiet for the sake of our kids and our generations. Ignore stupid comment from both sides ..
(Ardian, 23 August 2010 00:49)
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Certainly go to Belgrade. Nothing to be scared of. Many Albanians live there and they don't get attacked. If they are safe, you will be safe as well.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said about Pristina. You might not have a problem with Serbs there and speaking Serbian but what about all your friends? If the dead are not left alone (destruction of cemeteries) the living certainly won't be.

You are right about crooked leaders. One question though. Do you agree with the theft of Kosovo or do you think that your crooked laders were right to mastermind the whole thing?

Neither Serbs nor Albanians will never ever fight any more for the sake of politicans ,, We Albanians and you Serbs are victims of Criminals in our Governments rising hatred among us and provocating ethinc tensions on porpuse to destroy our lives , innecent people s lives ,, So Lets carry on with our lives and ignore what politicans say cos they are there for their own pockets and their families ,, so dont ever listen what they say ,, repsect human rights and divide people from bad or good not from ethnic beckgrounds , Lets live in freedom and forget the past and see our prosperous future, I would like to go to visit Beligrade but I m a bit scary cos I m Albanian so thats very bad and I invite all serbs with good will to come and visit Prishtina when ever they want ,, so the freedom of movement and freedom of speech is needed in these balkan areas, Live the life in peace and quiet for the sake of our kids and our generations. Ignore stupid comment from both sides ..

I'm not against making deals or even possible swaps of land with Albanians some day in the future, but that time hasn't come yet.

If Serbs want to sell out please make sure the price you get is very high.
(Nicholas Klinsman, 21 August 2010 16:17)

Nicholas,

It's later than you think!

If there is a "price", it is not the Serbs who will determine it. It is well known the Serbs are strapped for cash. One cannot negotiate from weakness!

We parted ways long ago.
Good luck in all your future endeavors.

I am totally against any use of force in North Kosova.

North Kosova is part of the old Serbia Rashka.

Parts of Rashka were added to Kosova during the 50s (I think) and in the same time from Kosova was cutt off the Presheva valley.

Serbs with it wanted to inflate their numbers in Kosova and decrease the Albanian.

Thus I think it's fair that Rashka goes back with Serbia where it belongs and Presheva valley back to Kosova.

Of course the maps that Serbia is circulating and presenting as 'fair deal' are ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE.

Serbia wants 30% of Kosova and in exchange is NOT ready to give what has stolen during the 50s:

Medveda (which btw means border) with surrounding villages
Bujanovc (wityh her villages)
Presheva's- villages on the east of the highway BG-Athens.

The only thing that Serbia is presenting as 'fair deal' is the city of Presheva with her villages on her west side for 30% of Kosova possibly drwan in such a chameleon way that Kosova could not function.

Well no Hose. You get Rashka I get:

Medveda - ALL with her villages
Bujanovc - ALL
Presheva- ALL

and I get a border with Bulgaria. AND THIS IS A MUST.

Otherwise NO DEAL.

I would personally even give up of Gracanica but I cannot say to half million Albaniand in Prishtina:

hey why don't you move somewhere else since I want to give 20 thousand Serbs of Gracanica to Serbia.

You do understand that is would be simply idiotic???

So you get what you can: that is- you will get the lands where you live in COMPACT territories and you are in MAJORITY. And that is the case with: Zvecan, Zubin Potok and Leposavic - your Rashka. PERIOD.

You cannot get Gracanica or Strpce: it is not our fault because you are living a semi-nomad life and each time you cross 2 monatians and find a valey that you like you declare it to be yours.

I wonder if Bondsteel wasn't behind the Albanians whether they would be brave enough to threaten the use of force?

From what I remember the last time they fought an organised Serbian force, they didn't fare very well...

Mr Redzepi, it was your legal team after all that argued for the principle of self-determination at the expense of territorial integrity...

Seems as using force is the last solution for north, hope it doesnt come to that.

An important question for me is what would a honorable man like Kapetan Dragan do (if he could), if he would become aware of
- such threatening,
- the intimidation of the Serbs in north Kosovo by "Kosova Police Special Forces",
- the incidents which occured in 2004,
- the use of weapons against Serbs in Mitrovica (like the incident which occured at the beginning of July),
- the illegal export of heroin from "Kosova" to Serbia.
(dht, 20 August 2010 13:30)

Go and ask him in the prison cell.

Pristina continues to shoot itself in the foot.

For anyone to declare the North independent would firstly have to recognise that "Kosova" is independent. KiM is already a part of Serbia so there is no need to declare further independence.

Now, for that very small percentage of Serbians who are part of the Pristina organised parallel structures, they in fact could declare independence although they don't exist in the north. So they can go for an independent Strpce and that is the risk Pristina always faced when they organised parallel elections.

It is pretty obvious that the ICJ decision has opened a can of worms. The region is getting into a bigger mess as the West's projects in KiM and BiH begin to faulter.

The arrogance of the West is the biggest problem here as it really is time to negotiate a fair compromise for all.

Serbs wanting to secede from "Kosova" is not acceptable and the snake would use force to stop it but Kosovo seceding from Serbia is perfectly fine and no force was allowed. Gee, double standards all over again.
North Kosovo cannot secede from "Kosova" because that would mean acknowledging that "Kosova" was indeed a legitimate country.
Makes you wonder who distributed those leaflets. Perfect excuse to go after the Serbs.

Come on do it redzepi, do it. there will be a repeat of 1999 but only this time you wont be able to cry wolf. you'll be the first to hang. you want to talk about territorial integirty, go suck a lemon

I believe that Serbia somehow needs to enlist the help of Russia, China and whomever else to take back Kosovo.

Yes, i believe that it's time for some "shock and awe", but this time Serbia will be giving it.

Serbia is a small country and doesn't need small pockets of 2 million illegal aliens dismembering it's country, just so that the USA can have a strategic military base in the middle of europe.

Asked whether this type of provocation and speculation could serve as an excuse for Priština to intervene in the northern, Serb areas, Samardžić said that the "real question is why the main lobbyist of an independent Kosovo Morton Abramowitz was pushing everywhere the story about a possible intervention".

Looks like somebody in the Team Albania camp is attempting to up the ante (and misonformed as well) on Tadic and Jeremic. If it did come about (highly unlikely anyway) war would be the inevitable outcome as there would be now way in hell Belgrade would sit idly by and watch tens of thousands of Serb and Roma refugees stream across the administrative line. In the end it would backfire badly on Pristina as their motley crew would come tumbling accross the bridge at Mitrovica in no time.

An important question for me is what would a honorable man like Kapetan Dragan do (if he could), if he would become aware of
- such threatening,
- the intimidation of the Serbs in north Kosovo by "Kosova Police Special Forces",
- the incidents which occured in 2004,
- the use of weapons against Serbs in Mitrovica (like the incident which occured at the beginning of July),
- the illegal export of heroin from "Kosova" to Serbia.

This is worrying, has the stench of the yanks all over it. Fake a statement of independance, whip up tension, if we're lucky the Serbs react and then maybe we can fake a massacre again or something like that to demonise the Serbs, and then they can really get the bombers flying again.

and I get a border with Bulgaria. AND THIS IS A MUST.

Otherwise NO DEAL.

(ben, 20 August 2010 12:38)

I just had to have a little snigger at that one :-D

Ok ben, how about you give me the Earth, Sun, Moon and the stars and I will be a happy man. Is that a deal bro?

Ben you mean that you are finally ready to enter into negotiations on status in Kosovo?

Your position is fine as a starting position in a negotiation but if you think that any parts of Serbia proper that contain a Serb majority will be traded you are mistaken.

But I'm glad you are ready to trade anyway.

What good for the goose(Kosova) is good for the Gander(Northern Kosovo) LOL this is funny. Now Pristina wants to move on Northern Kosovo this is going to hilarious. I can see Hasim running to the US and Germany saying please support us in our invasion. Yeah Right. So if Kosovo did not violate the rule of law so the if the people of the north want to do the same who can say anything. Don't complain about territory intergrity.

All hot air from the Albanians. Let them try and use force.

These people are getting to be as bad as the United States of Windbags all yak, yak.

All for domestic consumption nothing else. Keep the Albos hoping things will change.

Business as usual.

and I get a border with Bulgaria. AND THIS IS A MUST.

Otherwise NO DEAL.
(ben, 20 August 2010 12:38)
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ben, what planet are you on?

It should be noted by UNSC and all relevant authorities in charge of keeping peace in Kosovo of the verbal threat of using force by this unstable tin horn Albanian official.All issues in regard to Kosovo can and should be resolve peacefully.However, its infinitely more difficult when threat of force is on the negotiating table.UNSC should carefully examine the situation in Kosovo.Apparently there is not enough progress made of bringing Albanians to the level needed to live peacefully in pluralistic society.They are still in terrorist mode meaning, attack and destroy anything they do not agree or like.EULEX,KFOR UNMIK should remain in Kosovo until that society reach the levels of maturity and civility,indispensable elements of the free and tolerant society.

"real question is why the main lobbyist of an independent Kosovo Morton Abramowitz was pushing everywhere the story about a possible intervention".

Shalom, Mr. Abramowitz (NOT!) - shame on you. As you know it well - there is a nice traditional Jewish curse: "may you swallow an umbrella and may it open in your stomach!"

You make me antisemitic and it's a strong achievement.

Pretty odd - but Jews are very polarized. Way to many nice people and way to many S.O.B.-s. Guess, what group Morton Abramowitz does belong to.

Priština government's interior minister, Bajram Redzepi, is quoted by the newspaper as saying that in case of such a "secession", they were "ready to react, including an armed reaction, in order to protect the territorial integrity".

The utter, unbelievable, undiluted and provocative hypocrisy of this just leaves me shaking my head in total disbelief! Surely, surely, surely the international community has to now look at the response of the K Albs and at least begin to get a flicker of understanding as to why the UDI was a bad idea for the whole region. The one good thing from this will be the demonstration by Serbia as to just how restrained and patient she really can be. From a subjective standpoint I would like to repeat my admiration for her resolve under extreme provocation from many different sides. Keep up the good work Serbia.

they were "ready to react, including an armed reaction, in order to protect the territorial integrity".

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But what about territorial integrity of Serbia!

After all, afther The Hague Verdict everyone (!) is free to declare independence!

I don't know what's worse: that Pristina is actually taking this "phantom declaration" seriously, or that Rambo Rexhepi is ready to use force with someone else's army. It's funny how despite every provocation and every attempt to destabilize the region by Pristina over the past two years, Belgrade has said that it will pursue a non-violent approach to solving the Kosovo situation. Conversely, the slightest hint by some unknown group calling for northern Kosovo's secession and Pristina is "ready to use force" to defend territory it has no authority in. This should show one the maturity of Belgrade over Pristina. Funny how Albanians can quickly sound like Serbs when the tables are turned, no?

I dunno Bganon, I think it might be OK to do an exchange of Medveda (now Serbian majority) for important concessions on historical and cultural areas of Kosovo (Gracanica for example).

Ben, interesting to hear you sound rational.

"Go ahead, make my day." I see a lot of desparation coming from the albos who did not get their 35 recognitions and fear a status negotiation resolution from the General Assembly. Hey, america is giving up in Iraq. Soon it will give up on you!

dht

Well, Kapetan Dragan would set up a Lemonaide stand and take care of business, as usual of course.

Well no Hose. You get Rashka I get:

Medveda - ALL with her villages
Bujanovc - ALL
Presheva- ALL

and I get a border with Bulgaria. AND THIS IS A MUST.


(ben, 20 August 2010 12:38)


Ben,

Medvedja is 70% populated by Serbs!

It would be a lot better if those 30% of Serbs who live in Presevo and Bujanoc could trade their lands and homes with the 30% of Albanians who live in Medvedja.


As far as Kosovo/Serbia speculation of trade for peace is concerned, It is quite logical in my view! And you can’t expect 30% of Kosovo for an equal amount of land in Serbia. That will never happen!!!

North Kosovo for Presevo and Bujanoc would calm the situation although not to an extent without giving special status to Grachanica or other enclaves inhabited by Serbs.

This wouldn’t inflame other regions such as Macedonia, Bosnia if this proposal came from Serbian government and were to be accepted by US and EU rather than media speculations that aren’t supported by Belgrade or Prishtina.

By the way you sound like Agamemnon from the movie Troy, who says I give that and I get this. Under whose authorisation????????

it seems like those k-albanian leaders are losing their hopes...

and it also seems like they are reduced to provoke further conflict, in order to keep themselves in position.

weak policy by those "heroes", but good for Serbia!

it´s not that I doubt in Serbia´s capability to wipe away these simple criminals, but those K-albanians who do not dare to open their mouth because of those brutal criminals, ...those who would rather live in peace and prosperity in southern Serbia than in a corrupt and isolated "kosovaaahhh" ...

would only suffer from a new conflict. so, Serbia will return peacefully, I am convinced.

only if every other means fails should Serbia take the "wild-card" and handle it with adequate force.

but that won´t be necessary, since the greater-albanian dreamers will isolate themselves, sooner or later.

just a question of time.

and as it looks like, these criminals are losing their nerves sooner than expected.

//Tblisi government's president, Mikheil Sakaasjvili, is quoted by the newspaper as saying that in case of such a "secession", they were "ready to react, including an armed reaction, in order to protect the territorial integrity".

Furthermore, Sakaashvili said, "those who would go for such a move would be arrested".//

Uuh-ooh, considering how overly positive NATO was to this kind of reasoning and behaviour in 2008, I think the North is pretty much safe.

Unless the trend of foolish, aggressive, and irresponsible behaviour that have plagued small countries (Israel also comes to mind - together with Georgia) lately will also hit Kosovo....

1. dht:
"An important question for me is what would a honorable man like Kapetan Dragan do (if he could), if he would become aware of
- such threatening,
- the intimidation of the Serbs in north Kosovo by "Kosova Police Special Forces",
- the incidents which occured in 2004,
- the use of weapons against Serbs in Mitrovica (like the incident which occured at the beginning of July),
- the illegal export of heroin from "Kosova" to Serbia.
(dht, 20 August 2010 13:30)"


2. Simpatiku:
"Go and ask him in the prison cell.
(Simpatiku, 20 August 2010 14:38)"


3. dht´s reply:

I guess he would recommend to start training.

Nahh Albanians are not going to do anything. The West would be incapable to help them this time.

And Albanians are not stupid either. They know, without the West... the party would come to an end.

Without the West and its temporary imperial presence in the Balkans, you wouldn't be able to tell Pristina from Belgrade from Banja Luka.

Trust me, I hope they use force.. but when we walk across the Mitrovica bridge, please don't call it ethnic cleansing again.

Old Mort Abramowitz. This guy has been an albanian and croatian agent since the early 90's. Everybody knows this. He was also deeply involved in openly supporting cheechen terrorists in russia. As a matter of fact, after the beslan scholl massacre old mort expressed his support for the killers of the russian children. He is a shadowy figure who moves amongst a shadowy circle of influential lobbyists, pseudo-new york politicians and albanian drug gangs.All have become filthy rich at the expense of serbian victims in bosnia, kosovo and croatia.

This bogus declaration coming out of kosovo is the work of abramowitz and his cabal. Its purpose is to set the stage for an armed albanian invasion of serbs in the north. Abramowitz and his allies in the pentagon are almost convinced that Tadic and his government will do absolutly nothing in the face of thuis aggression. And they are right in that assumption.

At the same time the timely problems in novi pazar and amongst serbias muslims are also prearranged events to pressure serbia and instill fear amongst its people. This is a grand game a certain group of influential and wealthy people have played for many years at the expense of serbia. The game continues will serbia fold as usuall or call thier bluff?

What a fuzz! Since the ICJ ruling, we know that UDIs by some minority group of a state are not against international law! Or is the problem here that Kosovo is not a state but still a Serbian province, and so it makes no sense to declare independence? ;-)

Kosovo is ready to protect it's territorial integrity! Oh so territorial integrity is valid for Kosova but not Serbia. The world can't afford to be selective on the question of territorial integrity.

I'm not against making deals or even possible swaps of land with Albanians some day in the future, but that time hasn't come yet.

If Serbs want to sell out please make sure the price you get is very high.
(Nicholas Klinsman, 21 August 2010 16:17)

Nicholas,

It's later than you think!

If there is a "price", it is not the Serbs who will determine it. It is well known the Serbs are strapped for cash. One cannot negotiate from weakness!

We parted ways long ago.
Good luck in all your future endeavors.

But I'm glad you are ready to trade anyway.
(bganon, 20 August 2010 14:21)
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Perhaps we can give them access to Bulgaria for access to the Adriatic via Albania?

well. bring it on boys, talk is talk...walk the walk :)

@Serbian posters

Trading Presevo valley for North Kosovo does not work for me.

The fact is Serbs control both Presevo and North Kosovo, so a trade means Serbs gain nothing but actually lose.

Also, a trade like that means many Serbs in Bujanovac would have to be uprooted. If you look at the ethnic breakdown of Bujanovac most of the land there is inhabited by Serbs. In short, this trade would hurt Serbs, and doesn't take into account the Serbs south of the Ibar.

I'm not against making deals or even possible swaps of land with Albanians some day in the future, but that time hasn't come yet.

If Serbs want to sell out please make sure the price you get is very high.

@balkan brains..."the west" has already said - shown - proved it will be irrational - unbalanced - crazy regarding its opinions in serbia..so while your comment is obvious "the west" says no and what will serbia do about it !! .. we dont lose unless we lose !! stay strong serbiaaaaa!!

Neither Serbs nor Albanians will never ever fight any more for the sake of politicans ,, We Albanians and you Serbs are victims of Criminals in our Governments rising hatred among us and provocating ethinc tensions on porpuse to destroy our lives , innecent people s lives ,, So Lets carry on with our lives and ignore what politicans say cos they are there for their own pockets and their families ,, so dont ever listen what they say ,, repsect human rights and divide people from bad or good not from ethnic beckgrounds , Lets live in freedom and forget the past and see our prosperous future, I would like to go to visit Beligrade but I m a bit scary cos I m Albanian so thats very bad and I invite all serbs with good will to come and visit Prishtina when ever they want ,, so the freedom of movement and freedom of speech is needed in these balkan areas, Live the life in peace and quiet for the sake of our kids and our generations. Ignore stupid comment from both sides ..

I would like to go to visit Beligrade but I m a bit scary cos I m Albanian so thats very bad and I invite all serbs with good will to come and visit Prishtina when ever they want ,, so the freedom of movement and freedom of speech is needed in these balkan areas, Live the life in peace and quiet for the sake of our kids and our generations. Ignore stupid comment from both sides ..
(Ardian, 23 August 2010 00:49)
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Certainly go to Belgrade. Nothing to be scared of. Many Albanians live there and they don't get attacked. If they are safe, you will be safe as well.

Unfortunately, the same can't be said about Pristina. You might not have a problem with Serbs there and speaking Serbian but what about all your friends? If the dead are not left alone (destruction of cemeteries) the living certainly won't be.

You are right about crooked leaders. One question though. Do you agree with the theft of Kosovo or do you think that your crooked laders were right to mastermind the whole thing?