UNMIK backs Belgrade-Priština talks

Yes there does need to be technical talks between Pristina and Belgrade. Most countries support technical talks between Belgrade and Pristina, such as the UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Greece, US, Romania, Croatia and Slovakia etc. The only countries who are opposed to technical talks are Russia and Serbia.

Ian,
the talks should begin when all of the illegal aliens of Albanina desent return to Albania.

If the US and EU would have minded their own business back in 1999, then there wouldn't be any requests for technical talks today.

Therefore, all foreigners should leave Serbian soil and leave Serbia to run it's own affairs. If i recall, Serbia was doing just fine all by itself.

Instead, today's Kosovo is a place for criminals, drug distribution and human traffickers; all under the guide of greedy terrorist politicians of Alabanian desent.
(Another Canadian Serb, 17 August 2010 14:19)

Historically there have always been Albanians in Kosovo therefore I don't understand what you are on about. Also if all foreigners are to leave Serbian soil, the same should apply elsewhere. For example you should leave Canadian soil for starters, then also all Croats and Serbs should leave Bosnia etc. There is a Serb community living in the town of Halifax in Yorkshire near me, would you recommend that they should leave British soil? No not at all! Your comment about foreigners leaving Serbian soil was ridiculous and nationalist.

''Ian,
the talks should begin when all of the illegal aliens of Albanina desent return to Albania.''

Yes of course when all serbs move back to Russia where they came from. Albanians at least are the real Balkan people together with greek's an bulgarians. So Balkan belong to us.

''If the US and EU would have minded their own business back in 1999, then there wouldn't be any requests for technical talks today.''


Well US and EU is not cowards and un-human like Russia and China wich repress their own citizens and encoureged serbia to do so also. If not US and EU would intervened in Kosovo Serbia would have stolen Albania to, just like they did with Kosovo 1912.


''Therefore, all foreigners should leave Serbian soil and leave Serbia to run it's own affairs. If i recall, Serbia was doing just fine all by itself.''

Well Kosovo is not Serbia or serbian land so it is not up to you who stayes in Kosovo or not. Kosovo is and will allways be albanian land because albanians live there and not serbs. Building some churches to steal other people's land will not make it your land.

Instead, today's Kosovo is a place for criminals, drug distribution and human traffickers; all under the guide of greedy terrorist politicians of Alabanian desent.
(Another Canadian Serb, 17 August 2010 14:19)



Kosovo is much better today than before 1999. Every human being can see. We don't have serbian nationalist and radical criminals to make our life unsafe and put fear in our lives. Today Kosovo people live free and democratic and nobody can take things away from them. Like our autonomy was taken away from us in 1989 and albanians wasen't allowed to live or move freely.

I support takls as well, but no status taks. Kosovas status is solved for ever.
@ another Canadian Serb.
Now i see what a Canadian cold does to some people.
Albanians in Kosova are alliens? in their own Dardania?, you got to be kidding me.
Take my advice and stop reading literature from the Serbian department of sciences and culture, it will do you a lot of good, and make you propaganda free independent thinker.

For UNMIK to state they are willing to mediate on technical issues instead of status appears to imply that status is not an issue for UNMIK.

"Therefore, all foreigners should leave Serbian soil and leave Serbia to run it's own affairs. If i recall, Serbia was doing just fine all by itself. "

Not all of Serbia was doing fine. I remember those massive demonstrations during the winter of 1996 when the whole world was on Serbia's side, hoping you could overthrown Milosevic, and the crowd was chanting to the police, "Don't beat us, go beat the Albanians!"

Sounds like things had already heated up down there.

Ian,
the talks should begin when all of the illegal aliens of Albanina desent return to Albania.

If the US and EU would have minded their own business back in 1999, then there wouldn't be any requests for technical talks today.

Therefore, all foreigners should leave Serbian soil and leave Serbia to run it's own affairs. If i recall, Serbia was doing just fine all by itself.

Instead, today's Kosovo is a place for criminals, drug distribution and human traffickers; all under the guide of greedy terrorist politicians of Alabanian desent.

UNMIK who?

Ian!

Firstly, Albania weren't always historically apart of Kosovo! From what history books or links did you retrieve that data from?

Secondly, Canada is a country and doesn't represent one ehtnicity as say England, France, Serbia and Germany.

Bosnia was founded by Serbs and Croations. Are you implying that Bosnia was founded by Bosniaks?

We are discussing matters of today Ian! Yugoslavia was split up on ethnic lines, all but Serbians interests were looked after.

It is now Serbia's time!

UNMIK will soon have a Russian spokesperson when moon is thrown out as secretary-general.
(JohnBoy, 17 August 2010 17:23)
And you think a pro Russian replacement would survive a UNSC vote, very naive.

UNMIK will soon have a Russian spokesperson when moon is thrown out as secretary-general.

"We don't have serbian nationalist and radical criminals to make our life unsafe and put fear in our lives."
Demi

Congratulations!! I am glad for you.

RE; The Albanian myth from William Maxwell.

Historical revisionism or historical ignorance from the President of the Global Academy for International Athletics ?


Albanians are universally acknowledged as the descendants of the Illyrians…..

This myth systemically cultivated from known Albanian centres that promote the historical revisionism and extreme nationalism in the Balkans. Albanians are not universally acknowledged as the descendants of the Illyrians. This confirms from several studies and works such as “Illyrians” by John Wilkes, several works from the expert of the Albanian history Mrs Miranda Vickers, Albanian identities: myth and history by Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and Bernd Jürgen Fischer, global wide collectively works such as the ancient, modern and medieval history of the Cambridge and Oxford Universities e.t.c.
…Albanians are universally acknowledged…who gave the world Alexander the Great…
This is one from the most historical revisionist argument; similar with this that Alexander was a Slavonic origin as circulate from the Slavmacedonians in the neighbour FYROM State. Thousands historical works and tens of writers(Hammond, Worthington, Borza, Stoneman, Ulrich Wilcken e.t.c.) have agree that Great Alexander was born in July 356 (Arr. 7.28.1, Plut. Alex. 3.5), was the son of Macedonian Philip’s fourth wife Olympias, a princess from Epirus, situated to Macedon’s west. None of them mention that Alexander was Illyrian and the most inaccurate…Albanian as William Maxwell quoted. Macedonians according the same sources were a mix of Greek and older ancient tribes or were just Greek or unknown origin (Borza). Epirotans according the same sources were Greeks and the most known tribe was the Mollosian. None of them mention that was Illyrian or Albanian.

…Albanians are universally acknowledged…who gave…Emperor Constantine, several other Roman and Byzantine Emperors (were Albanians)…
Emperor Constantine and several other Roman and Byzantine Emperors were not Albanians as William Maxwell claim. Byzantine Dynasties were Greek, Armenian, Roman and Anatolian origin. This confirmed from tens of writers and experts of the Byzantine history like George Ostrogorski, Paul Stephenson, Cyril Mango, Joan Hussey, John Norwich as also from global wide collectively works like European medieval history of the Cambridge, Oxford and Michigan Universities e.t.c..
…Albanians are universally acknowledged…who gave…pope in the Roman Catholic Church…
Catholic Encyclopaedia (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/), the most known source it doesn’t mention that one from the Pope was…Albanian. Where William Maxwell find this thing is …unknown.

… Albania was also the only country in Europe that protected all the Jews, i.e. the only European country where the Jewish population was increased during WWII…
At the 30s and 40s and according the Albanian sources only 200 Jews lived!

Jewish population actually grew during the Axis occupation; it is estimated that there were 1800 jews in Albania at the end of war but the small Jewish community (200 souls) of Vlore was expelled from the country at the Nazis concentration’s camp. The recorded numbers of 1800 were Jews from the neighbored occupy Greece that has returned with the end of the war.

Albania at the WWII also as is known was allied of the fascist Italy and thousands Albanians were enlisted in the known SS regiments (SS Division Skanderbeg and Handschar Division.

CONCLUSION
There is an Illyrian myth, with which Albanian culture has been flirting for at least 150 years, and as a myth it can't be questioned for it has all the answers.

There is also a very tentative Illyrian science, based mainly on archaeology, and on some data transmitted by Ancient Greek and Roman Historians. Those who are ready to accept that Illyrians and Albanians were one people, should have a look at the Messapic inscriptions, in Puglia.

These inscriptions, being totally alien to Albanian, show that the Illyrian question is extremely complicated, and that it isn't likely to be resolved, unless fundamental e***raphic discoveries are made.

From me and in the real world there are no examples of ancient Illyrian literature surviving (aside from the Messapian writings if they can be considered Illyrian), it is difficult to clarify its place within the Indo-European language family. Albanians first appear in the historical record in Byzantine sources of the late 11th century. At this point, they are already fully Christianized. Very little evidence of pre-Christian Albanian culture survives, and Albanian mythology and folklore as it presents itself is notoriously syncretized from various sources, showing in particular Greek influence. Albanians are and have been referred to by other terms as well. Some of them are:

--Arbër, Arbën, Arbëreshë; the old native term denoting ancient and medieval Albanians and sharing the same root with the latter. At the time the country was called Arbër (Gheg: Arbën) and Arbëria (Gheg: Arbënia). This term is still used for the Albanians that migrated to Italy during the Middle Ages.
--Arnauts; old term used mainly from Turks and by extension by European authors during the Ottoman Empire. A derivate of Arbër, Albanian.
-- Skipetars; the historical rendering of the ethnonym Shqiptar (or Shqyptar by French, Austrian and German authors) in use from the 18th century (but probably earlier) to the present, the literal translation of which is subject of the eagle. The term Šiptari is a derivation used by Yugoslavs which the Albanians consider derogatory.

There is not any historical record as regards the connection of the Illyrians (that were last mentioned in 7th century AD, during the Slavic migration to the Balkans) and Albanians. Also there is not any linguistic connection of the unknown Illyrian language with the Albanian language that initial recorded in 208-page parchment mansuscript written by Theodor of Shkodra, dating 600 years after.

William Maxwell must be more cautious when write these things as regards the history. Historical revisionism and historical ignorance has a close border line that either goes to the legitimate scholastic correction of existing knowledge about an historical event, or goes to the illegitimate distortion of the historical record such that certain events appear in a more or less favourable ligh.

http://modern-macedonian-history.blo...istorical.html
Last edited by akritas; 10-04-2009 at 09:05 PM.

@ jugoslavija

First of all your link does not work.

Secondly try as much as you want to deny our ties to ancient Illyria, its in the south slavs best interest to do so, we dont care what south slavs or any others historians make up theorise which has no backup evidance,



Albanians/Shqipetar or Albani/Albanoi tribe of Illyria which was first mention in 150 AD, and situated in present day modern Albania, The Balkans was fully conquered by the Romans during this period.

This theory is why today we are known world wide as Albania insted of Shqiperia/ Arberia.

just so you know, Albani was mention even before 150 AD by Ptolemy the greek geographer metions in antiquity of the city of Albanopolis located present day in modern central Albania.

Ian,
the talks should begin when all of the illegal aliens of Albanina desent return to Albania.

If the US and EU would have minded their own business back in 1999, then there wouldn't be any requests for technical talks today.

Therefore, all foreigners should leave Serbian soil and leave Serbia to run it's own affairs. If i recall, Serbia was doing just fine all by itself.

Instead, today's Kosovo is a place for criminals, drug distribution and human traffickers; all under the guide of greedy terrorist politicians of Alabanian desent.

Yes there does need to be technical talks between Pristina and Belgrade. Most countries support technical talks between Belgrade and Pristina, such as the UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Greece, US, Romania, Croatia and Slovakia etc. The only countries who are opposed to technical talks are Russia and Serbia.

For UNMIK to state they are willing to mediate on technical issues instead of status appears to imply that status is not an issue for UNMIK.

Ian!

Firstly, Albania weren't always historically apart of Kosovo! From what history books or links did you retrieve that data from?

Secondly, Canada is a country and doesn't represent one ehtnicity as say England, France, Serbia and Germany.

Bosnia was founded by Serbs and Croations. Are you implying that Bosnia was founded by Bosniaks?

We are discussing matters of today Ian! Yugoslavia was split up on ethnic lines, all but Serbians interests were looked after.

It is now Serbia's time!

Ian,
the talks should begin when all of the illegal aliens of Albanina desent return to Albania.

If the US and EU would have minded their own business back in 1999, then there wouldn't be any requests for technical talks today.

Therefore, all foreigners should leave Serbian soil and leave Serbia to run it's own affairs. If i recall, Serbia was doing just fine all by itself.

Instead, today's Kosovo is a place for criminals, drug distribution and human traffickers; all under the guide of greedy terrorist politicians of Alabanian desent.
(Another Canadian Serb, 17 August 2010 14:19)

Historically there have always been Albanians in Kosovo therefore I don't understand what you are on about. Also if all foreigners are to leave Serbian soil, the same should apply elsewhere. For example you should leave Canadian soil for starters, then also all Croats and Serbs should leave Bosnia etc. There is a Serb community living in the town of Halifax in Yorkshire near me, would you recommend that they should leave British soil? No not at all! Your comment about foreigners leaving Serbian soil was ridiculous and nationalist.

I support takls as well, but no status taks. Kosovas status is solved for ever.
@ another Canadian Serb.
Now i see what a Canadian cold does to some people.
Albanians in Kosova are alliens? in their own Dardania?, you got to be kidding me.
Take my advice and stop reading literature from the Serbian department of sciences and culture, it will do you a lot of good, and make you propaganda free independent thinker.

''Ian,
the talks should begin when all of the illegal aliens of Albanina desent return to Albania.''

Yes of course when all serbs move back to Russia where they came from. Albanians at least are the real Balkan people together with greek's an bulgarians. So Balkan belong to us.

''If the US and EU would have minded their own business back in 1999, then there wouldn't be any requests for technical talks today.''


Well US and EU is not cowards and un-human like Russia and China wich repress their own citizens and encoureged serbia to do so also. If not US and EU would intervened in Kosovo Serbia would have stolen Albania to, just like they did with Kosovo 1912.


''Therefore, all foreigners should leave Serbian soil and leave Serbia to run it's own affairs. If i recall, Serbia was doing just fine all by itself.''

Well Kosovo is not Serbia or serbian land so it is not up to you who stayes in Kosovo or not. Kosovo is and will allways be albanian land because albanians live there and not serbs. Building some churches to steal other people's land will not make it your land.

Instead, today's Kosovo is a place for criminals, drug distribution and human traffickers; all under the guide of greedy terrorist politicians of Alabanian desent.
(Another Canadian Serb, 17 August 2010 14:19)



Kosovo is much better today than before 1999. Every human being can see. We don't have serbian nationalist and radical criminals to make our life unsafe and put fear in our lives. Today Kosovo people live free and democratic and nobody can take things away from them. Like our autonomy was taken away from us in 1989 and albanians wasen't allowed to live or move freely.

UNMIK who?

"Therefore, all foreigners should leave Serbian soil and leave Serbia to run it's own affairs. If i recall, Serbia was doing just fine all by itself. "

Not all of Serbia was doing fine. I remember those massive demonstrations during the winter of 1996 when the whole world was on Serbia's side, hoping you could overthrown Milosevic, and the crowd was chanting to the police, "Don't beat us, go beat the Albanians!"

Sounds like things had already heated up down there.

UNMIK will soon have a Russian spokesperson when moon is thrown out as secretary-general.

UNMIK will soon have a Russian spokesperson when moon is thrown out as secretary-general.
(JohnBoy, 17 August 2010 17:23)
And you think a pro Russian replacement would survive a UNSC vote, very naive.

RE; The Albanian myth from William Maxwell.

Historical revisionism or historical ignorance from the President of the Global Academy for International Athletics ?


Albanians are universally acknowledged as the descendants of the Illyrians…..

This myth systemically cultivated from known Albanian centres that promote the historical revisionism and extreme nationalism in the Balkans. Albanians are not universally acknowledged as the descendants of the Illyrians. This confirms from several studies and works such as “Illyrians” by John Wilkes, several works from the expert of the Albanian history Mrs Miranda Vickers, Albanian identities: myth and history by Stephanie Schwandner-Sievers and Bernd Jürgen Fischer, global wide collectively works such as the ancient, modern and medieval history of the Cambridge and Oxford Universities e.t.c.
…Albanians are universally acknowledged…who gave the world Alexander the Great…
This is one from the most historical revisionist argument; similar with this that Alexander was a Slavonic origin as circulate from the Slavmacedonians in the neighbour FYROM State. Thousands historical works and tens of writers(Hammond, Worthington, Borza, Stoneman, Ulrich Wilcken e.t.c.) have agree that Great Alexander was born in July 356 (Arr. 7.28.1, Plut. Alex. 3.5), was the son of Macedonian Philip’s fourth wife Olympias, a princess from Epirus, situated to Macedon’s west. None of them mention that Alexander was Illyrian and the most inaccurate…Albanian as William Maxwell quoted. Macedonians according the same sources were a mix of Greek and older ancient tribes or were just Greek or unknown origin (Borza). Epirotans according the same sources were Greeks and the most known tribe was the Mollosian. None of them mention that was Illyrian or Albanian.

…Albanians are universally acknowledged…who gave…Emperor Constantine, several other Roman and Byzantine Emperors (were Albanians)…
Emperor Constantine and several other Roman and Byzantine Emperors were not Albanians as William Maxwell claim. Byzantine Dynasties were Greek, Armenian, Roman and Anatolian origin. This confirmed from tens of writers and experts of the Byzantine history like George Ostrogorski, Paul Stephenson, Cyril Mango, Joan Hussey, John Norwich as also from global wide collectively works like European medieval history of the Cambridge, Oxford and Michigan Universities e.t.c..
…Albanians are universally acknowledged…who gave…pope in the Roman Catholic Church…
Catholic Encyclopaedia (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/), the most known source it doesn’t mention that one from the Pope was…Albanian. Where William Maxwell find this thing is …unknown.

… Albania was also the only country in Europe that protected all the Jews, i.e. the only European country where the Jewish population was increased during WWII…
At the 30s and 40s and according the Albanian sources only 200 Jews lived!

Jewish population actually grew during the Axis occupation; it is estimated that there were 1800 jews in Albania at the end of war but the small Jewish community (200 souls) of Vlore was expelled from the country at the Nazis concentration’s camp. The recorded numbers of 1800 were Jews from the neighbored occupy Greece that has returned with the end of the war.

Albania at the WWII also as is known was allied of the fascist Italy and thousands Albanians were enlisted in the known SS regiments (SS Division Skanderbeg and Handschar Division.

CONCLUSION
There is an Illyrian myth, with which Albanian culture has been flirting for at least 150 years, and as a myth it can't be questioned for it has all the answers.

There is also a very tentative Illyrian science, based mainly on archaeology, and on some data transmitted by Ancient Greek and Roman Historians. Those who are ready to accept that Illyrians and Albanians were one people, should have a look at the Messapic inscriptions, in Puglia.

These inscriptions, being totally alien to Albanian, show that the Illyrian question is extremely complicated, and that it isn't likely to be resolved, unless fundamental e***raphic discoveries are made.

From me and in the real world there are no examples of ancient Illyrian literature surviving (aside from the Messapian writings if they can be considered Illyrian), it is difficult to clarify its place within the Indo-European language family. Albanians first appear in the historical record in Byzantine sources of the late 11th century. At this point, they are already fully Christianized. Very little evidence of pre-Christian Albanian culture survives, and Albanian mythology and folklore as it presents itself is notoriously syncretized from various sources, showing in particular Greek influence. Albanians are and have been referred to by other terms as well. Some of them are:

--Arbër, Arbën, Arbëreshë; the old native term denoting ancient and medieval Albanians and sharing the same root with the latter. At the time the country was called Arbër (Gheg: Arbën) and Arbëria (Gheg: Arbënia). This term is still used for the Albanians that migrated to Italy during the Middle Ages.
--Arnauts; old term used mainly from Turks and by extension by European authors during the Ottoman Empire. A derivate of Arbër, Albanian.
-- Skipetars; the historical rendering of the ethnonym Shqiptar (or Shqyptar by French, Austrian and German authors) in use from the 18th century (but probably earlier) to the present, the literal translation of which is subject of the eagle. The term Šiptari is a derivation used by Yugoslavs which the Albanians consider derogatory.

There is not any historical record as regards the connection of the Illyrians (that were last mentioned in 7th century AD, during the Slavic migration to the Balkans) and Albanians. Also there is not any linguistic connection of the unknown Illyrian language with the Albanian language that initial recorded in 208-page parchment mansuscript written by Theodor of Shkodra, dating 600 years after.

William Maxwell must be more cautious when write these things as regards the history. Historical revisionism and historical ignorance has a close border line that either goes to the legitimate scholastic correction of existing knowledge about an historical event, or goes to the illegitimate distortion of the historical record such that certain events appear in a more or less favourable ligh.

http://modern-macedonian-history.blo...istorical.html
Last edited by akritas; 10-04-2009 at 09:05 PM.

"We don't have serbian nationalist and radical criminals to make our life unsafe and put fear in our lives."
Demi

Congratulations!! I am glad for you.

@ jugoslavija

First of all your link does not work.

Secondly try as much as you want to deny our ties to ancient Illyria, its in the south slavs best interest to do so, we dont care what south slavs or any others historians make up theorise which has no backup evidance,



Albanians/Shqipetar or Albani/Albanoi tribe of Illyria which was first mention in 150 AD, and situated in present day modern Albania, The Balkans was fully conquered by the Romans during this period.

This theory is why today we are known world wide as Albania insted of Shqiperia/ Arberia.

just so you know, Albani was mention even before 150 AD by Ptolemy the greek geographer metions in antiquity of the city of Albanopolis located present day in modern central Albania.