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Monday, 16.08.2010.

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Sejdiu, Thaci call on UN to reject Serbia's resolution

Top Kosovo Albanian officials have sent a joint letter to UN member countries and international organizations.

Izvor: Tanjug

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Peggy

pre 13 godina

So what Peggy u will go live in Montenegro and vote to be 1 country with Serbia. Stop they dont care they even asking for Montenegrian language to be official language in Serbia.

Serbia has issues with all Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Kosovo dont you think to stop and say hey there is a common denominator??
(Bilbao, 17 August 2010 13:53)
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When you decide to post a sensible reply to what I said then I will consider it. Util then talk rubbish with your Albanian brothers.

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.
(Mark, 16 August 2010 16:26)
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That's rubbish and you know it.
Montenegrins are Serbs and they know that very well. It's the corrupt government of Montenegro who decided to split with quite a lot of help from your Albanian brothers and the US. Dirty business temporarily won but things will get back to the way they should be.
Milo won't be in power forever and there isn't enough Albanians there to keep his legacy going.
(Peggy, 17 August 2010 06:50)

So what Peggy u will go live in Montenegro and vote to be 1 country with Serbia. Stop they dont care they even asking for Montenegrian language to be official language in Serbia.

Serbia has issues with all Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Kosovo dont you think to stop and say hey there is a common denominator??

Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

Serbia has been up for grabs lately. With the help of the americans much of our territorry is under occupation. However, as long as Serbia doesn't recognize an independet Kosovo and continue to support Republika Srpska we will always have the right to take back what is legaly ours.
(Mikael C, 16 August 2010 19:47)

Then if we albanians are thiefs and stealers why we would like to be involved in speeding up our way of getting one way ticket out of Kosovo?

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.
(Mark, 16 August 2010 16:26)
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That's rubbish and you know it.
Montenegrins are Serbs and they know that very well. It's the corrupt government of Montenegro who decided to split with quite a lot of help from your Albanian brothers and the US. Dirty business temporarily won but things will get back to the way they should be.
Milo won't be in power forever and there isn't enough Albanians there to keep his legacy going.

pss

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.
(Mike, 16 August 2010 16:34)

Zoran, are you saying you expect Russia and China to veto the Serbian resolution? The right of veto only matters if you are using it, if you are supporting an idea it is the opposing sides power of veto that matters.
Mike, frozen conflict would only be in terms of UN membership, Kosovo can function without it but strive toward it. Hardly a valid argument to say you can't have UN membership so you should decide to return to a life of oppression!
As far as EU goes, certainly no one believes at this point Serbia will be allowed through the door while holding Kosovo hostage.
Remember the UN and EU have both adopted "status neutral" policies (at Serbia's insistence) which means that neither organization officially regards Kosovo as a province of Serbia, that in itself is a huge step.
As far as UNMIK goes, I do not know why anyone would oppose their presence, the position has been reduced to that of reporter and delivery man. Both Ban and Zannier have said they are not exercising any authority there. Zannier gives a report of the situation in Kosovo to the UNSC once a quarter and delivers papers from nonrecognizing countries to the offices of the Kosovo govt and vice versa. He also facilitates Kosovo's participation in matters where Kosovo cannot do so, it does not represent Kosovo at these funtctions.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians."

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the "processing facilities" mostly the shut-down (temporarily?) smelter in Zvecan and the flotation facility in Leposevac, ie, under Serbian control?

There are over 50 processing facilities in the territory of Kosovo related to Trepca, you just named 2 that located in Northern Kosovo. Zvecan is fuming with toxic waste materials and is essentially impaired and shut down.

johny

pre 13 godina

" How many serbs live in albanian dominated south?"

-Most of the Serbs live in the Albanian dominated south in, Kosova. N.Mitrovica Serbs are the noisy ones but most of the Serbs in Kosova live south of N. Mitrovica.

johny

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.
(Mike, 16 August 2010 16:34)


-- Yea and it is not difficult to wonder how Serbia would be affected. So far it seems like in the near future it will line itself up with those countries that are in confrontation with the West. If that is the case then it will be welcoming back the 90's. Question remains who will be the next Milosevic. My bets are on Kostunica and Nikolic.

DimTuc

pre 13 godina

"the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians."

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the "processing facilities" mostly the shut-down (temporarily?) smelter in Zvecan and the flotation facility in Leposevac, ie, under Serbian control?

"Instead of Albanians and Serbians working together mining the wealth; they are killing each other spurred on by KLA terrorists.
(Jugoslavija, 16 August 2010 17:20)"

Serb and Albanian miners did used to work together, but as you may recall, the entire Albanian workforce - 17,000 workers - was sacked by Milosevic regime in 1989-90 after their strike was crushed. Being sacked tends to stop them "working togeter" with Serb miners long before you imagine "KLA terrorists" had anything to do with anything.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

"Albanians have endured far worst under Serbia and rather be black hole and free than 2nd class citizen in Serbia".

abi

Is that so? How come all those albanians in Presevo and Sandzak don't leave if living under Belgrade is so bad? How about all those albanians that still live in Belgrade, Novi Sad etc? Besides, have you forgotten the way albanians treated the serbs during WW2? Of course you have. Not to mention 2004. You cannot justify stealing Kosovo unless you paint a picture of how bad the serbs are and how innocent all albanians are. The fact is that albanians and serbs lived together in Kosovo during Belgrades rule. It wasn't perfect but it sure was better then it is today, at least when it comes to coexistance. Today serbs and albanians are divided more then ever. Serbia has always been the most tollerant towards others. Look at how many minorities continue to live in Serbia. How many serbs live in albanian dominated south? How many serbs live in the muslim/croat federation and Croatia? Compare that to the number of albanians, muslims, croats etc that continue to live in Serbia. You need a weak Serbia so you can steal more territory. Serbia has been up for grabs lately. With the help of the americans much of our territorry is under occupation. However, as long as Serbia doesn't recognize an independet Kosovo and continue to support Republika Srpska we will always have the right to take back what is legaly ours.

abi

pre 13 godina

Dear John, if that's your real name. Don't you worry your little head about Serbs. We have survived hardship and not joining the EU will be a walk in the park. You should worry about your people, the albanians. You are recognized by major countries but still you don't even have white schengen. You are not even close to joining the EU and albanians are leaving Kosovo in great numbers even now that you have your "freedom".
The main thing for Serbs is not to recognize the theft of our territory by bandits. Should Serbia accept to give 12 percent of its territory to terrorists then its a green light to cut Serbia up in pieces until Serbs are stateless. That is just what albanians, croats and bosnjaks want. I hope with all my heart that Kosovo remains in the dark, FOR EVER. Theives don't deserve better. Everyday life goes on in Serbia but it doesn't for Kosovo and won't until you are a UN member. Your only hope is for Serbia to recognize Kosovo. That won't happen.
(Mikael C, 16 August 2010 17:35)

Wow wow look how much hate u have against 2.2Million people man that is heavy on your soul.

Maybe u wish that Albanians are leaving but u dont know 1 thing they always send 1 or 2 sons a broad but 1 or 2 stay back its been tradition u tried many times but we are not going anywhere.

Those Albanians in USA and EU send millions during the war as well now. transistria a much much smaller place in much worst conditions has been existing since 1991 or 92 and they have nothing what Kosovo has.

Open port to Albania and UN seat in Albania ( EU and USA accepted no no issue to do bussiness with all 27 like we can go to Greece slovakia etc)

Albanians have endured far worst under Serbia and rather be black hole and free than 2nd class citizen in Serbia

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

JohnC

Dear John, if that's your real name. Don't you worry your little head about Serbs. We have survived hardship and not joining the EU will be a walk in the park. You should worry about your people, the albanians. You are recognized by major countries but still you don't even have white schengen. You are not even close to joining the EU and albanians are leaving Kosovo in great numbers even now that you have your "freedom".
The main thing for Serbs is not to recognize the theft of our territory by bandits. Should Serbia accept to give 12 percent of its territory to terrorists then its a green light to cut Serbia up in pieces until Serbs are stateless. That is just what albanians, croats and bosnjaks want. I hope with all my heart that Kosovo remains in the dark, FOR EVER. Theives don't deserve better. Everyday life goes on in Serbia but it doesn't for Kosovo and won't until you are a UN member. Your only hope is for Serbia to recognize Kosovo. That won't happen.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

As long as Serbia states it's claim and most countries refuse to recognise Kosovo, it's essentially won the war. The Albanians will be forced back to the table by the US when the US realises it can't legally mine Kosovo's mineral wealth. That, if we are being honest, is what will be the trigger for talks.
(Goran V, 16 August 2010 15:14)

Well, this is what the primary US and European interest, the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians.

However, the processing facilities are worthless and in horribile condition. Most of the proven and unproven reserves are in and around Northern Kosovo.

Instead of Albanians and Serbians working together mining the wealth; they are killing each other spurred on by KLA terrorists.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Well the cats out of the bag now. Notice the wording "legally confirmed Kosovo's declaration of independence", NOT "legally confirmed Kosovo's independence". Subtle difference but significant difference. "
(Goran V, 16 August 2010 15:14)

Indeed, it looks like the Kosovo officials finally understood what exactly the ICJ decision was about. It took them a while, though...

Mark

pre 13 godina

If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.
(Zoran, 16 August 2010 15:31)

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.

JohnC.

pre 13 godina

In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.
(Zoran, 16 August 2010 15:31)

Albanians would be only losers when they would stop defending their freedom. Serbia on the other hand is on the best way to return where it was in the 90s, a pariah state with a lot deteriorated bilateral relations with no future for the coming generations. The Russian VETO is not going to improve living standards in Serbia even a bit, in the contrary. Just keep watching what will come (or better said: what will NOT come to Serbia).

Goran V

pre 13 godina

Well the cats out of the bag now. Notice the wording "legally confirmed Kosovo's declaration of independence", NOT "legally confirmed Kosovo's independence". Subtle difference but significant difference. Albanians can complain that the first implies the second, or that Thaci claims that the court ruled that Kosovo is independent.

We ALL know that isn't the case. And how do we know this? Because Kosovo is trying to get as many recognitions as possible to try to bulldozer it's position in the UN - i.e. to try to force Serbia's hand to let go of Kosovo by saying that the majority of the world agree with Kosovo.

As long as Serbia states it's claim and most countries refuse to recognise Kosovo, it's essentially won the war. The Albanians will be forced back to the table by the US when the US realises it can't legally mine Kosovo's mineral wealth. That, if we are being honest, is what will be the trigger for talks.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.

Goran V

pre 13 godina

Well the cats out of the bag now. Notice the wording "legally confirmed Kosovo's declaration of independence", NOT "legally confirmed Kosovo's independence". Subtle difference but significant difference. Albanians can complain that the first implies the second, or that Thaci claims that the court ruled that Kosovo is independent.

We ALL know that isn't the case. And how do we know this? Because Kosovo is trying to get as many recognitions as possible to try to bulldozer it's position in the UN - i.e. to try to force Serbia's hand to let go of Kosovo by saying that the majority of the world agree with Kosovo.

As long as Serbia states it's claim and most countries refuse to recognise Kosovo, it's essentially won the war. The Albanians will be forced back to the table by the US when the US realises it can't legally mine Kosovo's mineral wealth. That, if we are being honest, is what will be the trigger for talks.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

As long as Serbia states it's claim and most countries refuse to recognise Kosovo, it's essentially won the war. The Albanians will be forced back to the table by the US when the US realises it can't legally mine Kosovo's mineral wealth. That, if we are being honest, is what will be the trigger for talks.
(Goran V, 16 August 2010 15:14)

Well, this is what the primary US and European interest, the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians.

However, the processing facilities are worthless and in horribile condition. Most of the proven and unproven reserves are in and around Northern Kosovo.

Instead of Albanians and Serbians working together mining the wealth; they are killing each other spurred on by KLA terrorists.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

JohnC

Dear John, if that's your real name. Don't you worry your little head about Serbs. We have survived hardship and not joining the EU will be a walk in the park. You should worry about your people, the albanians. You are recognized by major countries but still you don't even have white schengen. You are not even close to joining the EU and albanians are leaving Kosovo in great numbers even now that you have your "freedom".
The main thing for Serbs is not to recognize the theft of our territory by bandits. Should Serbia accept to give 12 percent of its territory to terrorists then its a green light to cut Serbia up in pieces until Serbs are stateless. That is just what albanians, croats and bosnjaks want. I hope with all my heart that Kosovo remains in the dark, FOR EVER. Theives don't deserve better. Everyday life goes on in Serbia but it doesn't for Kosovo and won't until you are a UN member. Your only hope is for Serbia to recognize Kosovo. That won't happen.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Well the cats out of the bag now. Notice the wording "legally confirmed Kosovo's declaration of independence", NOT "legally confirmed Kosovo's independence". Subtle difference but significant difference. "
(Goran V, 16 August 2010 15:14)

Indeed, it looks like the Kosovo officials finally understood what exactly the ICJ decision was about. It took them a while, though...

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

"Albanians have endured far worst under Serbia and rather be black hole and free than 2nd class citizen in Serbia".

abi

Is that so? How come all those albanians in Presevo and Sandzak don't leave if living under Belgrade is so bad? How about all those albanians that still live in Belgrade, Novi Sad etc? Besides, have you forgotten the way albanians treated the serbs during WW2? Of course you have. Not to mention 2004. You cannot justify stealing Kosovo unless you paint a picture of how bad the serbs are and how innocent all albanians are. The fact is that albanians and serbs lived together in Kosovo during Belgrades rule. It wasn't perfect but it sure was better then it is today, at least when it comes to coexistance. Today serbs and albanians are divided more then ever. Serbia has always been the most tollerant towards others. Look at how many minorities continue to live in Serbia. How many serbs live in albanian dominated south? How many serbs live in the muslim/croat federation and Croatia? Compare that to the number of albanians, muslims, croats etc that continue to live in Serbia. You need a weak Serbia so you can steal more territory. Serbia has been up for grabs lately. With the help of the americans much of our territorry is under occupation. However, as long as Serbia doesn't recognize an independet Kosovo and continue to support Republika Srpska we will always have the right to take back what is legaly ours.

JohnC.

pre 13 godina

In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.
(Zoran, 16 August 2010 15:31)

Albanians would be only losers when they would stop defending their freedom. Serbia on the other hand is on the best way to return where it was in the 90s, a pariah state with a lot deteriorated bilateral relations with no future for the coming generations. The Russian VETO is not going to improve living standards in Serbia even a bit, in the contrary. Just keep watching what will come (or better said: what will NOT come to Serbia).

Mark

pre 13 godina

If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.
(Zoran, 16 August 2010 15:31)

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.

abi

pre 13 godina

Dear John, if that's your real name. Don't you worry your little head about Serbs. We have survived hardship and not joining the EU will be a walk in the park. You should worry about your people, the albanians. You are recognized by major countries but still you don't even have white schengen. You are not even close to joining the EU and albanians are leaving Kosovo in great numbers even now that you have your "freedom".
The main thing for Serbs is not to recognize the theft of our territory by bandits. Should Serbia accept to give 12 percent of its territory to terrorists then its a green light to cut Serbia up in pieces until Serbs are stateless. That is just what albanians, croats and bosnjaks want. I hope with all my heart that Kosovo remains in the dark, FOR EVER. Theives don't deserve better. Everyday life goes on in Serbia but it doesn't for Kosovo and won't until you are a UN member. Your only hope is for Serbia to recognize Kosovo. That won't happen.
(Mikael C, 16 August 2010 17:35)

Wow wow look how much hate u have against 2.2Million people man that is heavy on your soul.

Maybe u wish that Albanians are leaving but u dont know 1 thing they always send 1 or 2 sons a broad but 1 or 2 stay back its been tradition u tried many times but we are not going anywhere.

Those Albanians in USA and EU send millions during the war as well now. transistria a much much smaller place in much worst conditions has been existing since 1991 or 92 and they have nothing what Kosovo has.

Open port to Albania and UN seat in Albania ( EU and USA accepted no no issue to do bussiness with all 27 like we can go to Greece slovakia etc)

Albanians have endured far worst under Serbia and rather be black hole and free than 2nd class citizen in Serbia

DimTuc

pre 13 godina

"the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians."

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the "processing facilities" mostly the shut-down (temporarily?) smelter in Zvecan and the flotation facility in Leposevac, ie, under Serbian control?

"Instead of Albanians and Serbians working together mining the wealth; they are killing each other spurred on by KLA terrorists.
(Jugoslavija, 16 August 2010 17:20)"

Serb and Albanian miners did used to work together, but as you may recall, the entire Albanian workforce - 17,000 workers - was sacked by Milosevic regime in 1989-90 after their strike was crushed. Being sacked tends to stop them "working togeter" with Serb miners long before you imagine "KLA terrorists" had anything to do with anything.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.
(Mark, 16 August 2010 16:26)
-----------------
That's rubbish and you know it.
Montenegrins are Serbs and they know that very well. It's the corrupt government of Montenegro who decided to split with quite a lot of help from your Albanian brothers and the US. Dirty business temporarily won but things will get back to the way they should be.
Milo won't be in power forever and there isn't enough Albanians there to keep his legacy going.

johny

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.
(Mike, 16 August 2010 16:34)


-- Yea and it is not difficult to wonder how Serbia would be affected. So far it seems like in the near future it will line itself up with those countries that are in confrontation with the West. If that is the case then it will be welcoming back the 90's. Question remains who will be the next Milosevic. My bets are on Kostunica and Nikolic.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians."

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the "processing facilities" mostly the shut-down (temporarily?) smelter in Zvecan and the flotation facility in Leposevac, ie, under Serbian control?

There are over 50 processing facilities in the territory of Kosovo related to Trepca, you just named 2 that located in Northern Kosovo. Zvecan is fuming with toxic waste materials and is essentially impaired and shut down.

pss

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.
(Mike, 16 August 2010 16:34)

Zoran, are you saying you expect Russia and China to veto the Serbian resolution? The right of veto only matters if you are using it, if you are supporting an idea it is the opposing sides power of veto that matters.
Mike, frozen conflict would only be in terms of UN membership, Kosovo can function without it but strive toward it. Hardly a valid argument to say you can't have UN membership so you should decide to return to a life of oppression!
As far as EU goes, certainly no one believes at this point Serbia will be allowed through the door while holding Kosovo hostage.
Remember the UN and EU have both adopted "status neutral" policies (at Serbia's insistence) which means that neither organization officially regards Kosovo as a province of Serbia, that in itself is a huge step.
As far as UNMIK goes, I do not know why anyone would oppose their presence, the position has been reduced to that of reporter and delivery man. Both Ban and Zannier have said they are not exercising any authority there. Zannier gives a report of the situation in Kosovo to the UNSC once a quarter and delivers papers from nonrecognizing countries to the offices of the Kosovo govt and vice versa. He also facilitates Kosovo's participation in matters where Kosovo cannot do so, it does not represent Kosovo at these funtctions.

johny

pre 13 godina

" How many serbs live in albanian dominated south?"

-Most of the Serbs live in the Albanian dominated south in, Kosova. N.Mitrovica Serbs are the noisy ones but most of the Serbs in Kosova live south of N. Mitrovica.

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.
(Mark, 16 August 2010 16:26)
---…--
That's rubbish and you know it.
Montenegrins are Serbs and they know that very well. It's the corrupt government of Montenegro who decided to split with quite a lot of help from your Albanian brothers and the US. Dirty business temporarily won but things will get back to the way they should be.
Milo won't be in power forever and there isn't enough Albanians there to keep his legacy going.
(Peggy, 17 August 2010 06:50)

So what Peggy u will go live in Montenegro and vote to be 1 country with Serbia. Stop they dont care they even asking for Montenegrian language to be official language in Serbia.

Serbia has issues with all Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Kosovo dont you think to stop and say hey there is a common denominator??

Peggy

pre 13 godina

So what Peggy u will go live in Montenegro and vote to be 1 country with Serbia. Stop they dont care they even asking for Montenegrian language to be official language in Serbia.

Serbia has issues with all Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Kosovo dont you think to stop and say hey there is a common denominator??
(Bilbao, 17 August 2010 13:53)
====================

When you decide to post a sensible reply to what I said then I will consider it. Util then talk rubbish with your Albanian brothers.

Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

Serbia has been up for grabs lately. With the help of the americans much of our territorry is under occupation. However, as long as Serbia doesn't recognize an independet Kosovo and continue to support Republika Srpska we will always have the right to take back what is legaly ours.
(Mikael C, 16 August 2010 19:47)

Then if we albanians are thiefs and stealers why we would like to be involved in speeding up our way of getting one way ticket out of Kosovo?

Goran V

pre 13 godina

Well the cats out of the bag now. Notice the wording "legally confirmed Kosovo's declaration of independence", NOT "legally confirmed Kosovo's independence". Subtle difference but significant difference. Albanians can complain that the first implies the second, or that Thaci claims that the court ruled that Kosovo is independent.

We ALL know that isn't the case. And how do we know this? Because Kosovo is trying to get as many recognitions as possible to try to bulldozer it's position in the UN - i.e. to try to force Serbia's hand to let go of Kosovo by saying that the majority of the world agree with Kosovo.

As long as Serbia states it's claim and most countries refuse to recognise Kosovo, it's essentially won the war. The Albanians will be forced back to the table by the US when the US realises it can't legally mine Kosovo's mineral wealth. That, if we are being honest, is what will be the trigger for talks.

JohnC.

pre 13 godina

In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.
(Zoran, 16 August 2010 15:31)

Albanians would be only losers when they would stop defending their freedom. Serbia on the other hand is on the best way to return where it was in the 90s, a pariah state with a lot deteriorated bilateral relations with no future for the coming generations. The Russian VETO is not going to improve living standards in Serbia even a bit, in the contrary. Just keep watching what will come (or better said: what will NOT come to Serbia).

Mark

pre 13 godina

If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.
(Zoran, 16 August 2010 15:31)

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.

abi

pre 13 godina

Dear John, if that's your real name. Don't you worry your little head about Serbs. We have survived hardship and not joining the EU will be a walk in the park. You should worry about your people, the albanians. You are recognized by major countries but still you don't even have white schengen. You are not even close to joining the EU and albanians are leaving Kosovo in great numbers even now that you have your "freedom".
The main thing for Serbs is not to recognize the theft of our territory by bandits. Should Serbia accept to give 12 percent of its territory to terrorists then its a green light to cut Serbia up in pieces until Serbs are stateless. That is just what albanians, croats and bosnjaks want. I hope with all my heart that Kosovo remains in the dark, FOR EVER. Theives don't deserve better. Everyday life goes on in Serbia but it doesn't for Kosovo and won't until you are a UN member. Your only hope is for Serbia to recognize Kosovo. That won't happen.
(Mikael C, 16 August 2010 17:35)

Wow wow look how much hate u have against 2.2Million people man that is heavy on your soul.

Maybe u wish that Albanians are leaving but u dont know 1 thing they always send 1 or 2 sons a broad but 1 or 2 stay back its been tradition u tried many times but we are not going anywhere.

Those Albanians in USA and EU send millions during the war as well now. transistria a much much smaller place in much worst conditions has been existing since 1991 or 92 and they have nothing what Kosovo has.

Open port to Albania and UN seat in Albania ( EU and USA accepted no no issue to do bussiness with all 27 like we can go to Greece slovakia etc)

Albanians have endured far worst under Serbia and rather be black hole and free than 2nd class citizen in Serbia

Zoran

pre 13 godina

If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers.

DimTuc

pre 13 godina

"the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians."

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the "processing facilities" mostly the shut-down (temporarily?) smelter in Zvecan and the flotation facility in Leposevac, ie, under Serbian control?

"Instead of Albanians and Serbians working together mining the wealth; they are killing each other spurred on by KLA terrorists.
(Jugoslavija, 16 August 2010 17:20)"

Serb and Albanian miners did used to work together, but as you may recall, the entire Albanian workforce - 17,000 workers - was sacked by Milosevic regime in 1989-90 after their strike was crushed. Being sacked tends to stop them "working togeter" with Serb miners long before you imagine "KLA terrorists" had anything to do with anything.

johny

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.
(Mike, 16 August 2010 16:34)


-- Yea and it is not difficult to wonder how Serbia would be affected. So far it seems like in the near future it will line itself up with those countries that are in confrontation with the West. If that is the case then it will be welcoming back the 90's. Question remains who will be the next Milosevic. My bets are on Kostunica and Nikolic.

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

As long as Serbia states it's claim and most countries refuse to recognise Kosovo, it's essentially won the war. The Albanians will be forced back to the table by the US when the US realises it can't legally mine Kosovo's mineral wealth. That, if we are being honest, is what will be the trigger for talks.
(Goran V, 16 August 2010 15:14)

Well, this is what the primary US and European interest, the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians.

However, the processing facilities are worthless and in horribile condition. Most of the proven and unproven reserves are in and around Northern Kosovo.

Instead of Albanians and Serbians working together mining the wealth; they are killing each other spurred on by KLA terrorists.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.

pss

pre 13 godina

"If the UN rejects Serbia's resolution then it gets referred to the Security Council where Serbia has a Russian and Chinese veto. In other words, we can start talking about a frozen conflict where the people of KiM are the big losers." (Zoran)

-- Conversely, if it *does* pass the GA, we all know the US will veto the resolution once it reaches the Security Council, making it all the more apparent Kosovo is a US dependency. Frozen conflict all around.
(Mike, 16 August 2010 16:34)

Zoran, are you saying you expect Russia and China to veto the Serbian resolution? The right of veto only matters if you are using it, if you are supporting an idea it is the opposing sides power of veto that matters.
Mike, frozen conflict would only be in terms of UN membership, Kosovo can function without it but strive toward it. Hardly a valid argument to say you can't have UN membership so you should decide to return to a life of oppression!
As far as EU goes, certainly no one believes at this point Serbia will be allowed through the door while holding Kosovo hostage.
Remember the UN and EU have both adopted "status neutral" policies (at Serbia's insistence) which means that neither organization officially regards Kosovo as a province of Serbia, that in itself is a huge step.
As far as UNMIK goes, I do not know why anyone would oppose their presence, the position has been reduced to that of reporter and delivery man. Both Ban and Zannier have said they are not exercising any authority there. Zannier gives a report of the situation in Kosovo to the UNSC once a quarter and delivers papers from nonrecognizing countries to the offices of the Kosovo govt and vice versa. He also facilitates Kosovo's participation in matters where Kosovo cannot do so, it does not represent Kosovo at these funtctions.

Top

pre 13 godina

"Well the cats out of the bag now. Notice the wording "legally confirmed Kosovo's declaration of independence", NOT "legally confirmed Kosovo's independence". Subtle difference but significant difference. "
(Goran V, 16 August 2010 15:14)

Indeed, it looks like the Kosovo officials finally understood what exactly the ICJ decision was about. It took them a while, though...

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

JohnC

Dear John, if that's your real name. Don't you worry your little head about Serbs. We have survived hardship and not joining the EU will be a walk in the park. You should worry about your people, the albanians. You are recognized by major countries but still you don't even have white schengen. You are not even close to joining the EU and albanians are leaving Kosovo in great numbers even now that you have your "freedom".
The main thing for Serbs is not to recognize the theft of our territory by bandits. Should Serbia accept to give 12 percent of its territory to terrorists then its a green light to cut Serbia up in pieces until Serbs are stateless. That is just what albanians, croats and bosnjaks want. I hope with all my heart that Kosovo remains in the dark, FOR EVER. Theives don't deserve better. Everyday life goes on in Serbia but it doesn't for Kosovo and won't until you are a UN member. Your only hope is for Serbia to recognize Kosovo. That won't happen.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

"Albanians have endured far worst under Serbia and rather be black hole and free than 2nd class citizen in Serbia".

abi

Is that so? How come all those albanians in Presevo and Sandzak don't leave if living under Belgrade is so bad? How about all those albanians that still live in Belgrade, Novi Sad etc? Besides, have you forgotten the way albanians treated the serbs during WW2? Of course you have. Not to mention 2004. You cannot justify stealing Kosovo unless you paint a picture of how bad the serbs are and how innocent all albanians are. The fact is that albanians and serbs lived together in Kosovo during Belgrades rule. It wasn't perfect but it sure was better then it is today, at least when it comes to coexistance. Today serbs and albanians are divided more then ever. Serbia has always been the most tollerant towards others. Look at how many minorities continue to live in Serbia. How many serbs live in albanian dominated south? How many serbs live in the muslim/croat federation and Croatia? Compare that to the number of albanians, muslims, croats etc that continue to live in Serbia. You need a weak Serbia so you can steal more territory. Serbia has been up for grabs lately. With the help of the americans much of our territorry is under occupation. However, as long as Serbia doesn't recognize an independet Kosovo and continue to support Republika Srpska we will always have the right to take back what is legaly ours.

johny

pre 13 godina

" How many serbs live in albanian dominated south?"

-Most of the Serbs live in the Albanian dominated south in, Kosova. N.Mitrovica Serbs are the noisy ones but most of the Serbs in Kosova live south of N. Mitrovica.

Bilbao

pre 13 godina

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.
(Mark, 16 August 2010 16:26)
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That's rubbish and you know it.
Montenegrins are Serbs and they know that very well. It's the corrupt government of Montenegro who decided to split with quite a lot of help from your Albanian brothers and the US. Dirty business temporarily won but things will get back to the way they should be.
Milo won't be in power forever and there isn't enough Albanians there to keep his legacy going.
(Peggy, 17 August 2010 06:50)

So what Peggy u will go live in Montenegro and vote to be 1 country with Serbia. Stop they dont care they even asking for Montenegrian language to be official language in Serbia.

Serbia has issues with all Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Kosovo dont you think to stop and say hey there is a common denominator??

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Better losers in a frozen conflict than living under Serbia again. Not even your serbian brothers in Montenegro cannot stand living under Serbia.
(Mark, 16 August 2010 16:26)
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That's rubbish and you know it.
Montenegrins are Serbs and they know that very well. It's the corrupt government of Montenegro who decided to split with quite a lot of help from your Albanian brothers and the US. Dirty business temporarily won but things will get back to the way they should be.
Milo won't be in power forever and there isn't enough Albanians there to keep his legacy going.

Simpatiku

pre 13 godina

Serbia has been up for grabs lately. With the help of the americans much of our territorry is under occupation. However, as long as Serbia doesn't recognize an independet Kosovo and continue to support Republika Srpska we will always have the right to take back what is legaly ours.
(Mikael C, 16 August 2010 19:47)

Then if we albanians are thiefs and stealers why we would like to be involved in speeding up our way of getting one way ticket out of Kosovo?

Jugoslavija

pre 13 godina

the Trepca mine is essentially split in Northern Mitrovica the mines are essentially under a legal battle with Serbian business officials while the processing facilities are mostly in control of the Albanians."

Pardon my ignorance, but aren't the "processing facilities" mostly the shut-down (temporarily?) smelter in Zvecan and the flotation facility in Leposevac, ie, under Serbian control?

There are over 50 processing facilities in the territory of Kosovo related to Trepca, you just named 2 that located in Northern Kosovo. Zvecan is fuming with toxic waste materials and is essentially impaired and shut down.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

So what Peggy u will go live in Montenegro and vote to be 1 country with Serbia. Stop they dont care they even asking for Montenegrian language to be official language in Serbia.

Serbia has issues with all Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Kosovo dont you think to stop and say hey there is a common denominator??
(Bilbao, 17 August 2010 13:53)
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When you decide to post a sensible reply to what I said then I will consider it. Util then talk rubbish with your Albanian brothers.