"North to be modeled after South Tyrol"

Actually, Kosovo could be like South Tyrol, within Serbia. We must throw these anti-Serb EU double standards back in their face whenever presented something like this.

Wow, unbelievable, really the South Tyrol model? This is the same formula proposed by Draskovic multiple times to the west and Pristina years ago for the entire KiM. Now some elite idiots in the western part of soon to be Eurabia think it could apply to the North. Hmm! Maybe Ahtissari should have looked into that formula on his western-backed and financed roll of toilet paper and offered Pristina that.

Kosovo itself might use the model of South Tyrol.. but North Kosovo? The only region in Kosovo that is actually following international law becomes South Tyrol??

Its all a sham.. Kosovo independence is only as real as Serbia allows it to be.


Why is there so much pressure on Serbia? Becuase unlike K. Albanians would like you to believe.. Project 2nd Albanian state still needs Serbia's final approval in order to be legitamate.

Title should be,
"Kosovo be modeled after South Tyrol"
I have no problem with that. Anything else is wishful thanking on Pristinas part.

this is what Serbia is basically offering Kosovo. So, Why is it not good enough for the Albanian's, or should I say the US?

There can be no acceptance of an independent Kosovo. Worst case scenario is maintaining status quo. Serbs are not fools to let albanians take control over the north. It will be a matter of hours before the first Serbs begin to leave and days until the north is empty of its Serbian population. Serbs in Kosovo are independent from any albanian interferance and it should remain that way.

It has been said that Kosovo is a unique case by Britain, America, and some EU countries.

It could become a unique case, but not for the dubious reasons that the ‘International Community’ would like to misled the world.

It could become unique for being a region that will never become a United Nations Member, regardless of all the lies invested by many countries to claim they were on a ‘Humanitarian Mission’.

By definition, any genuine Humanitarian Mission must not create a new country, because ethnic divisions are Not Genuinely Humanitarian.

A Genuine Humanitarian Mission cannot leave a Military Base in that region, especially after the decade long, and stale ‘Humanitarian Mission’ should have been long ‘Accomplished’.

There could be suspicion in the minds of many people that Britain, America, and the Leading Countries of Europe were never really on a Humanitarian Mission.

Perhaps Documentaries on Kosovo will show the World just how ‘genuine’ Anglo-America is in selecting “Humanitarian Missions’, and especially just how successful they wish to be are in managing them.

Perhaps these Documentaries on Kosovo will have some people saying that any future ‘Humanitarian Missions’ should have the backing of the United Nations Security Council before they can proceed.

There is a saying that if Britain, America, France, and Germany wish Humanitarianism, then, a very good way to perform Humanitarianism, it is to Just Send Money.

There could be at least one Permanent Member of the United Nations Security Council that says that all countries that support Serbia’s Resolution at the United Nations General Assembly will never be allowed to have any part of their country legally secede because of British and American ‘Humanitarianism’.

Perhaps a Permanent Member of the United Nations Security Council might suggest that all countries that support Serbia’s Resolution at the United Nations General Assembly can rest assured the UNSC will never allow an independent United Nations country to be created because of Anglo-American ‘Humanitarianism’.

This is a protection and guarantee to those countries that Britain’s and America’s ‘Humanitarianism’ will Not be allowed to create a new country with those countries that support Serbia’s Resolution at the United Nations General Assembly.

This could be because Kosovo set the Precedent for this Security Council Veto Protection, and this is why Kosovo is a unique case.

It could be that if the Serbs and the Albanians agree to divide Kosovo, then 100 Billion Euros must be paid to Serbia by the Anglo-American ‘Humanitarians’ and the ‘Humanitarian’ French and Germans as compensation.

If Kosovo is to be divided between the Serbs and the Albanians then there has to be total racial segregation to ensure that Camp Bondsteel is not needed anymore for ‘Humanitarian’ ‘protection’ of non-Albanians.

With the 100 Billion Euros compensation must come the destruction of Camp Bondsteel because its ‘Humanitarian’ reason for existence has ceased, especially after 11 years of Anglo-American ‘Humanitarianism’ added to the ‘Humanitarianism’ of the EU with their EULUX Mission.

folks, it´s southern Serbia you are talking about.

no need to discuss anything here.

If this is how Pristina wants to consider the north then this is what Belgrade will consider for the south. So the more "autonomy" the north gets from Pristina, the more autonomy Pristina gets from Belgrade. Status will never be completely solved but a functional agreement between the people will be good for the region.

Cheers from Romania

Europe and the US have consistently lied or not held up their end of agreements.

They will promise one thing, but deliver another. If there is to be such an solution (god forbid it), then it should be set in stone, i.e. a legally binding treaty that the powers forfeit all their rights if they breach it. It will also need trustworthy guarantors.

Full steam ahead to the UN General Assembly! Let's see Brussels and Washinton blocking/veto in action and have them further exposed as hypocrites who wouldn't wish upon themselves what they want for others.

The EU, or Brussels as their Headquarters, told the Serbian Government to submit a ‘Virtue’ out of necessity Resolution.

This is because other countries would have submitted their own Resolution following the recent Non-Bonding Advisory Opinion of a majority of ICJ Judges, and the joint Serbian and Brussels Resolution is more acceptable to the EU.

Brussels further gave strict orders that it must not be said to be a Brussels Resolution, and it must not look like it was a Brussels Resolution.

It must be just like the ICJ question that was given to the Serbian Government by the American State Department Lawyers, because they and the Serbian Government knew what the answer would be in advance.

The EU is hoping to buy time, and they are lobbying the world against the Serbian Resolution, because that will serve their agenda to say to Serbia that the world is against Serbia keeping Kosovo.

The EU are possibly in two minds at the moment; or, they may wish to portray that they are in two minds by means of a lack of noise on their part on this matter, or they may be the quiet achievers.

The EU may not mind if the Serbian Resolution fails to receive a majority vote at the United Nations General Assembly.

At the same time they may not mind if it passes, and this dual potential benefit is what makes it a Brussels Resolution.

If the joint Serbian and Brussels Resolution does Not pass, then the EU will try to get Serbia to give up Kosovo for EU Membership.

The EU know that if the Serbian Resolution does Not receive a majority of the votes, then the other countries have their own Resolution that say many things, and that Resolution will pass.

That Resolution will say: “All United Nations Countries MUST declare that the United Nations Organization must under no circumstances conquer territory”.

That Resolution will further say: “No region of any United Nations country has the Legal Right to Secede from its country Under United Nations Law, but only under Domestic Law”.

That Resolution will further say: The Unilateral Declaration by the Government of any United Nations country that all their Territory belongs to their own country is Totally Legal Under International Law.

That Resolution will say many other things of concern to many countries, and it will reaffirm its commitment to the United Nations Charter.

That Resolution will say many things, and it should condemn the underhanded criminal methods of Britain, America, and some leading countries of the EU, especially France and Germany.

Ok you say Serbia has time fine, why is VUK running around the world if there so much time. This is how world goes sometimes u are on the side of winners sometimes u are not. as per India, China, brasil in Serbias side really stop it does not have nothing to do with it.

I here about kosovo being a dump ok great it seems Albanians are ok with it and prefer the dump over being part of Serbia.

Serbia is not offering prosperity but offering 2nd class citizenship to Albanians so they will not accept and u see the game is at the pint were the fight is only about the North.

Sudtyrol...or.. Alto Adige ? That's all the difference think about...

Someone should know that in the event this does become a bargaining chip, Gracanica and Strpce will problably demand the same thing. So we'll have a Northern Southern Tyrol, a South Central Tyrol (yeah I know, ghetto sounding) and a South South Tyrol.

At the very least there's some better ideas than "integration".

No WAY

Despite recent statements (or better, especially because of their vehement denial), I`m pretty sure that there are ongoing, secrete talks, and somehow I believe that after the UN GA in September/October (we already know how this one will end), it will be public.

How insulting.

Someone should know that in the event this does become a bargaining chip, Gracanica and Strpce will problably demand the same thing. So we'll have a Northern Southern Tyrol, a South Central Tyrol (yeah I know, ghetto sounding) and a South South Tyrol.

At the very least there's some better ideas than "integration".
(Mike, 12 August 2010 17:58)

That's something that would probably be the best solution. For Serbia, allowing these people to even potray themselves as legitamate is a concession enough.

Strpce & Gracanica can never be given up, its insane to believe that N. Kosovo would ever allow separatist authority there. However under no circumstances should Gracanica & Strpce ever be sacrificed. All it takes is stubbornness from Belgrade and simply not allowing that to be ruled by separatists.



Point is, this reveals the reality in Kosovo today. In some caes a seperate bodies, but with three big wounds. The smart thing would be to make these parts that are not under separatist rule the nicest and most advanced parts of Kosovo (not a hard task)

All depends on the elite in Belgrade I guess. Time is on our side.. this is only a project on welfare supported in every sense by the West much like BiH. Artificial names with artificial flags (blue & yellow)

Like any investment when you don't turn profit you pull out. When they leave its stregnth in numbers.. and you cant just try and amputate the largest ethnic group in the region..It will be ethnic cleansing then too is what theyll say though.

"Serbia is not offering prosperity but offering 2nd class citizenship to Albanians so they will not accept and u see the game is at the pint were the fight is only about the North." (Bilbao)

-- Neither side is offering the other anything except the "privilege" of living in a state they don't want and didn't ask for. Which is why I think autonomous regions in Kosovo offered to K-Serbs can only be credible if they are autonomous bordering on near independence from Pristina. Otherwise, why should Serbs accept something Albanians would reject in their stead?

Re:
"Title should be,
"Kosovo be modeled after South Tyrol"
I have no problem with that"

and others who wrote much the same thing:

You should have thought about that between about 1988 and 1999.

Luigi - Both Suedtirol and Alto Adige, no? Isn't that what makes the concept appealing?

"It will be a matter of hours before the first Serbs begin to leave and days until the north is empty of its Serbian population.

(Mikael C, 12 August 2010 17:31) "

Congratulations, Mikael C - you've just provided the argument to clinch Albanian support for the idea.

-- Neither side is offering the other anything except the "privilege" of living in a state they don't want and didn't ask for. Which is why I think autonomous regions in Kosovo offered to K-Serbs can only be credible if they are autonomous bordering on near independence from Pristina. Otherwise, why should Serbs accept something Albanians would reject in their stead?
(Mike, 13 August 2010 01:41)

there are 60,000 people in the north and 2Million in the south. I am up for north going under Serbia but yet I am not the one to decide but as well preshevo go to Kosovo and both side agree that this is it between them.

But most people in these forum we live away from situation and if north goes to Serbia then how will u protect serbs of south.

What about monasteries then they are in point of no return. What if Albanians say like turkey only way to be a priest in Kosovo is if u are a born Kosovo citizen and no more Serbs in South then those will become discos like a church in NYC.

If the west are so interested in riches of the north why would they let it go, when they can strangell Serbia by economical pressure and not becuase they like Albanians but suppose they hate serbs (ie Iran all that oil and nothing to do with it)

Wow, unbelievable, really the South Tyrol model? This is the same formula proposed by Draskovic multiple times to the west and Pristina years ago for the entire KiM. Now some elite idiots in the western part of soon to be Eurabia think it could apply to the North. Hmm! Maybe Ahtissari should have looked into that formula on his western-backed and financed roll of toilet paper and offered Pristina that.

Title should be,
"Kosovo be modeled after South Tyrol"
I have no problem with that. Anything else is wishful thanking on Pristinas part.

Re:
"Title should be,
"Kosovo be modeled after South Tyrol"
I have no problem with that"

and others who wrote much the same thing:

You should have thought about that between about 1988 and 1999.

If this is how Pristina wants to consider the north then this is what Belgrade will consider for the south. So the more "autonomy" the north gets from Pristina, the more autonomy Pristina gets from Belgrade. Status will never be completely solved but a functional agreement between the people will be good for the region.

Cheers from Romania

It has been said that Kosovo is a unique case by Britain, America, and some EU countries.

It could become a unique case, but not for the dubious reasons that the ‘International Community’ would like to misled the world.

It could become unique for being a region that will never become a United Nations Member, regardless of all the lies invested by many countries to claim they were on a ‘Humanitarian Mission’.

By definition, any genuine Humanitarian Mission must not create a new country, because ethnic divisions are Not Genuinely Humanitarian.

A Genuine Humanitarian Mission cannot leave a Military Base in that region, especially after the decade long, and stale ‘Humanitarian Mission’ should have been long ‘Accomplished’.

There could be suspicion in the minds of many people that Britain, America, and the Leading Countries of Europe were never really on a Humanitarian Mission.

Perhaps Documentaries on Kosovo will show the World just how ‘genuine’ Anglo-America is in selecting “Humanitarian Missions’, and especially just how successful they wish to be are in managing them.

Perhaps these Documentaries on Kosovo will have some people saying that any future ‘Humanitarian Missions’ should have the backing of the United Nations Security Council before they can proceed.

There is a saying that if Britain, America, France, and Germany wish Humanitarianism, then, a very good way to perform Humanitarianism, it is to Just Send Money.

There could be at least one Permanent Member of the United Nations Security Council that says that all countries that support Serbia’s Resolution at the United Nations General Assembly will never be allowed to have any part of their country legally secede because of British and American ‘Humanitarianism’.

Perhaps a Permanent Member of the United Nations Security Council might suggest that all countries that support Serbia’s Resolution at the United Nations General Assembly can rest assured the UNSC will never allow an independent United Nations country to be created because of Anglo-American ‘Humanitarianism’.

This is a protection and guarantee to those countries that Britain’s and America’s ‘Humanitarianism’ will Not be allowed to create a new country with those countries that support Serbia’s Resolution at the United Nations General Assembly.

This could be because Kosovo set the Precedent for this Security Council Veto Protection, and this is why Kosovo is a unique case.

It could be that if the Serbs and the Albanians agree to divide Kosovo, then 100 Billion Euros must be paid to Serbia by the Anglo-American ‘Humanitarians’ and the ‘Humanitarian’ French and Germans as compensation.

If Kosovo is to be divided between the Serbs and the Albanians then there has to be total racial segregation to ensure that Camp Bondsteel is not needed anymore for ‘Humanitarian’ ‘protection’ of non-Albanians.

With the 100 Billion Euros compensation must come the destruction of Camp Bondsteel because its ‘Humanitarian’ reason for existence has ceased, especially after 11 years of Anglo-American ‘Humanitarianism’ added to the ‘Humanitarianism’ of the EU with their EULUX Mission.

folks, it´s southern Serbia you are talking about.

no need to discuss anything here.

Actually, Kosovo could be like South Tyrol, within Serbia. We must throw these anti-Serb EU double standards back in their face whenever presented something like this.

this is what Serbia is basically offering Kosovo. So, Why is it not good enough for the Albanian's, or should I say the US?

No WAY

There can be no acceptance of an independent Kosovo. Worst case scenario is maintaining status quo. Serbs are not fools to let albanians take control over the north. It will be a matter of hours before the first Serbs begin to leave and days until the north is empty of its Serbian population. Serbs in Kosovo are independent from any albanian interferance and it should remain that way.

The EU, or Brussels as their Headquarters, told the Serbian Government to submit a ‘Virtue’ out of necessity Resolution.

This is because other countries would have submitted their own Resolution following the recent Non-Bonding Advisory Opinion of a majority of ICJ Judges, and the joint Serbian and Brussels Resolution is more acceptable to the EU.

Brussels further gave strict orders that it must not be said to be a Brussels Resolution, and it must not look like it was a Brussels Resolution.

It must be just like the ICJ question that was given to the Serbian Government by the American State Department Lawyers, because they and the Serbian Government knew what the answer would be in advance.

The EU is hoping to buy time, and they are lobbying the world against the Serbian Resolution, because that will serve their agenda to say to Serbia that the world is against Serbia keeping Kosovo.

The EU are possibly in two minds at the moment; or, they may wish to portray that they are in two minds by means of a lack of noise on their part on this matter, or they may be the quiet achievers.

The EU may not mind if the Serbian Resolution fails to receive a majority vote at the United Nations General Assembly.

At the same time they may not mind if it passes, and this dual potential benefit is what makes it a Brussels Resolution.

If the joint Serbian and Brussels Resolution does Not pass, then the EU will try to get Serbia to give up Kosovo for EU Membership.

The EU know that if the Serbian Resolution does Not receive a majority of the votes, then the other countries have their own Resolution that say many things, and that Resolution will pass.

That Resolution will say: “All United Nations Countries MUST declare that the United Nations Organization must under no circumstances conquer territory”.

That Resolution will further say: “No region of any United Nations country has the Legal Right to Secede from its country Under United Nations Law, but only under Domestic Law”.

That Resolution will further say: The Unilateral Declaration by the Government of any United Nations country that all their Territory belongs to their own country is Totally Legal Under International Law.

That Resolution will say many other things of concern to many countries, and it will reaffirm its commitment to the United Nations Charter.

That Resolution will say many things, and it should condemn the underhanded criminal methods of Britain, America, and some leading countries of the EU, especially France and Germany.

Ok you say Serbia has time fine, why is VUK running around the world if there so much time. This is how world goes sometimes u are on the side of winners sometimes u are not. as per India, China, brasil in Serbias side really stop it does not have nothing to do with it.

I here about kosovo being a dump ok great it seems Albanians are ok with it and prefer the dump over being part of Serbia.

Serbia is not offering prosperity but offering 2nd class citizenship to Albanians so they will not accept and u see the game is at the pint were the fight is only about the North.

Despite recent statements (or better, especially because of their vehement denial), I`m pretty sure that there are ongoing, secrete talks, and somehow I believe that after the UN GA in September/October (we already know how this one will end), it will be public.

"It will be a matter of hours before the first Serbs begin to leave and days until the north is empty of its Serbian population.

(Mikael C, 12 August 2010 17:31) "

Congratulations, Mikael C - you've just provided the argument to clinch Albanian support for the idea.

Luigi - Both Suedtirol and Alto Adige, no? Isn't that what makes the concept appealing?

Europe and the US have consistently lied or not held up their end of agreements.

They will promise one thing, but deliver another. If there is to be such an solution (god forbid it), then it should be set in stone, i.e. a legally binding treaty that the powers forfeit all their rights if they breach it. It will also need trustworthy guarantors.

Full steam ahead to the UN General Assembly! Let's see Brussels and Washinton blocking/veto in action and have them further exposed as hypocrites who wouldn't wish upon themselves what they want for others.

Kosovo itself might use the model of South Tyrol.. but North Kosovo? The only region in Kosovo that is actually following international law becomes South Tyrol??

Its all a sham.. Kosovo independence is only as real as Serbia allows it to be.


Why is there so much pressure on Serbia? Becuase unlike K. Albanians would like you to believe.. Project 2nd Albanian state still needs Serbia's final approval in order to be legitamate.

Sudtyrol...or.. Alto Adige ? That's all the difference think about...

Someone should know that in the event this does become a bargaining chip, Gracanica and Strpce will problably demand the same thing. So we'll have a Northern Southern Tyrol, a South Central Tyrol (yeah I know, ghetto sounding) and a South South Tyrol.

At the very least there's some better ideas than "integration".

Someone should know that in the event this does become a bargaining chip, Gracanica and Strpce will problably demand the same thing. So we'll have a Northern Southern Tyrol, a South Central Tyrol (yeah I know, ghetto sounding) and a South South Tyrol.

At the very least there's some better ideas than "integration".
(Mike, 12 August 2010 17:58)

That's something that would probably be the best solution. For Serbia, allowing these people to even potray themselves as legitamate is a concession enough.

Strpce & Gracanica can never be given up, its insane to believe that N. Kosovo would ever allow separatist authority there. However under no circumstances should Gracanica & Strpce ever be sacrificed. All it takes is stubbornness from Belgrade and simply not allowing that to be ruled by separatists.



Point is, this reveals the reality in Kosovo today. In some caes a seperate bodies, but with three big wounds. The smart thing would be to make these parts that are not under separatist rule the nicest and most advanced parts of Kosovo (not a hard task)

All depends on the elite in Belgrade I guess. Time is on our side.. this is only a project on welfare supported in every sense by the West much like BiH. Artificial names with artificial flags (blue & yellow)

Like any investment when you don't turn profit you pull out. When they leave its stregnth in numbers.. and you cant just try and amputate the largest ethnic group in the region..It will be ethnic cleansing then too is what theyll say though.

How insulting.

"Serbia is not offering prosperity but offering 2nd class citizenship to Albanians so they will not accept and u see the game is at the pint were the fight is only about the North." (Bilbao)

-- Neither side is offering the other anything except the "privilege" of living in a state they don't want and didn't ask for. Which is why I think autonomous regions in Kosovo offered to K-Serbs can only be credible if they are autonomous bordering on near independence from Pristina. Otherwise, why should Serbs accept something Albanians would reject in their stead?

-- Neither side is offering the other anything except the "privilege" of living in a state they don't want and didn't ask for. Which is why I think autonomous regions in Kosovo offered to K-Serbs can only be credible if they are autonomous bordering on near independence from Pristina. Otherwise, why should Serbs accept something Albanians would reject in their stead?
(Mike, 13 August 2010 01:41)

there are 60,000 people in the north and 2Million in the south. I am up for north going under Serbia but yet I am not the one to decide but as well preshevo go to Kosovo and both side agree that this is it between them.

But most people in these forum we live away from situation and if north goes to Serbia then how will u protect serbs of south.

What about monasteries then they are in point of no return. What if Albanians say like turkey only way to be a priest in Kosovo is if u are a born Kosovo citizen and no more Serbs in South then those will become discos like a church in NYC.

If the west are so interested in riches of the north why would they let it go, when they can strangell Serbia by economical pressure and not becuase they like Albanians but suppose they hate serbs (ie Iran all that oil and nothing to do with it)