Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić said that Serbia's goal is to garner support for its resolution before the UN General Assembly, which would be an uphill battle.
Almost impossible. But will do this anyway. Will say first that "ICJ's advisory opinion advises the UNGA that the declaration itself is not illegal, however it says nothing about the secession."
Then will try to make some noise or use some other distraction, so when the other part says that it was us who asked precisely that question, the people in the room will not hear it.
Will not mention anymore that we are protecting international law. Will just say "one part gets everything and the other part nothing..no no no". If asked to go into details about what we mean with "everything" and what we mean with "nothing" will pretend we don't understand the question.
It is no as if Jeremic is deliberately setting the bar low, is it? FoA (Fans of Albanians) will have to make do for voting for themselves (as on this thread) because that is the only victory they can get. Just wait until your great 'friends' the US and others betray you.
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....[link]
(NoolaV, 9 August 2010 16:33)
India has just announced that it will not recognise Pristina's UDD. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=08&dd=10&nav_id=68978
From the link I think one can take it that you lost and Serbia won :)
Serbia had a lot of empires contest its southern province... unfortunatley for them they had to learn how determined the Serbs can be the hard way. None of those empires are in existence today, however Serbia is alive and well :) Watch and learn my friends, history will repeat itself yet again.
(PeterTheGreat, 9 August 2010 19:20)
Was it highduke who said it here a few days ago that 'Serbia is the rock in which empires break'.
There is no need for Serbia to attack Kosovo; its dying on its feet now, why launch a military assault on a “dead man”? Kosovo’s importance only relates to Camp Bondsteel and nothing else. Where are the Albanians in Kosovo going to find work? The EU wants to return about 200 000 to Kosovo so the only place is, wait for it, Serbia. You can have 120 UN seats dedicated to Kosovo, but what the Albanians want is free movement of people and goods across Serbia and that’s not going to happen.
As the US has lost the war in Iraq and is currently losing another one in Afghanistan, why would you need Camp Bondsteel???? Military establishments are there to frighten people and to remind them of military action if diplomacy fails. Who is going to fear the US after their debacle in the middle east??? It took 30 years after Vietnam for the US to launch any military action in another country. The US is financially bankrupt to the point even the Chinese are reducing their exposure to US debt; now its 22% but by March 2011 it will be down to 10% maximum. From January to July 2010 the US has lost 800 000 jobs and created 20 000 – you do the maths on that one.
Secondly, Kosovo will NEVER be allowed to join with Albania. When will you realise that Albanians live from hand to mouth using EU money. Do you think that the EU will allow an Islamic state to flourish in Europe? Are you people mad?
(Amer, 9 August 2010 22:14)
And the same goes for full acceptance of Kosovo in the UN, but in that case its only 2 countries will veto that proposal. Status Quo boys, status quo.
All of this is using up time knowing well in advance that the whole thing is going around in circles – the US is well aware of this fact but has to play the game.
have you have any comprehension what nato is? that albania is a member...attacking it IS attacking nato.
serbia would absolutely love to join nato... the russian "friendship" and lipservice serbia purchased by selling off its energy future to russia on the cheap doesnt cover it. russia wont allow it.
Ok, so what are the chances of there being gusle-accompanied epics written about "Vuk's Battle before the UN GA"? Heading into a hopeless battle against the mightiest powers of the day, supported by uncertain allies, liable to be betrayed at the last moment, willing to sacrifice simply winning for gaining some intangible good - "showing that supporting Serbia is worthwhile" - all we need is a reference to a falcon. Which should be possible - there are falcons nesting on ledges of the skyscrapers in NY, after all. (Not sure about the color - sorry.)
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....[link]
(NoolaV, 9 August 2010 16:33)
======================
Don't speak too soon.
Take a look at this.
http://sify.com/news/india-not-to-recognize-kosovo-news-national-kijuEcjbjdd.html
Your comment about the world having had enough is absolutely correct.
You have to understand one thing, though. This is the Balkans and people here think that the world revolves around their country and they are the center of all attention. It's just the mentality we have. There are numerous bigger and much more important issues in the world out there.
"The best thing Serbia could, and should, do, is to sue individual countries for recognizing the secessionist entity.
(Joachim, 9 August 2010 17:14) "
Forget it - there are 3 countries in the Security Council that can veto any ICJ ruling. (Thanks to Stalin - he was the one who insisted on SC members having the right of veto.) Anyway - who would enforce such a decision?
I suppose you could try the Belgrade Municipal Court ...
The best thing Serbia could, and should, do, is to sue individual countries for recognizing the secessionist entity.
(Joachim, 9 August 2010 17:14)
Cannot understand why you all cannot get it through your head, this is not an option, even your own law experts say so.
It would only further antagonize the European future of Serbia, would never be heard before the court, and basically make Serbia look foolish.
But hey, have at it.
Perhaps Serbia can't... But her Allies sure can (Russia & China). Just like Kosovo's Allies are the ones who made their "independence" (if thats what you wanna call it) a reality. Let's face it... Something happeneds and the US has to pull out of Kosovo... Serbia would roll over them and any other army fairly quickly. I believe it only took Serbian forces what 24hrs to route the KLA into Albania? Serbia had a lot of empires contest its southern province... unfortunatley for them they had to learn how determined the Serbs can be the hard way. None of those empires are in existence today, however Serbia is alive and well :) Watch and learn my friends, history will repeat itself yet again.
I "love" some of my compatriots: they love hiding behind NATO or US.
If you attack us you will get in trouble with NATO.
What a dignity.... shame on you.
(ben, 9 August 2010 16:44)
Ben Ben Compatriot I am not Albanian sorry do not hold Kosovo or Albanian passport and as a American and French Citizen I can speak about NATO my friend, no shame on that.
Its not shameful when i send donations to Kosovo from our church in US here wow what an ungreatfull human being.
"Having in mind the little chance we have, every result we achieve will be seen as a proof of our perseverance in the defense of our sovereignty and territorial integrity, which will show that supporting Serbia is worthwhile," Jeremić concluded.
-- This sounds very different and the complete opposite of "being open" to all solutions. What is it? One tongue for when you go into foreign places and another tongue for when you're home? Is that how it works Vuce? You do know that those in NYC have access to what you and your cronies say in Belgrade. Its not that hard to compare. Thats why you had the British Ambassador in the UNSC openly tell you that Serbia is in direct conflict with the EU.
well my dear k-albanian friends, even if it doesn´t sound good for your greater-albanian ears... there is no chance of "uniting" with Albania, since KiM is legally serbian territory ( temporarily under foreign occupation ), so you should rather focus your attention on how to improve your living conditions until Serbia returns control over her southern province.
even if personally I would even take the Israeli-method of solving the problem into account nobody has to fear further wars, since this will be solved the peaceful way.
our dear k-albanians´ dreams of being infinitely protected by NATO are doomed to failure, but if it let´s them sleep better, let them dream of it.
Serbia will prevail, it´s simply just a question of time, ...while the USofA are slowly but surely losing their image of "the one and only global superpower" as one rather simple k-albanian writer has once called them.
some even see the US losing grip faster than expected, while in the same time China is becoming stronger and stronger on the international scene...
so, there is nothing to worry about, and even the K-albanians have nothing to fear, since they will have a wider autonomy in Serbia than they actually do deserve at all.
everything will be fine, it´s just yours to wait...
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/hesitant-india-says-studying-icj-view-on-kosovo-independence/217682.html
'Kosovo is much different and if push comes to shove Kosovo can always join Albania and with that Serbia is not going to attack NATO are they, But it wont come to that this is a battle for Serbia to save face and what it can get Norhh as Autonomy or under Serbia.'
The Americans will never ever let Kosovo join Albania. You really think they would endanger their puppets in FYROM like that?
""We have informed our colleagues about the contents of the International Court of Justice’s advisory opinion, which did not back Priština's unilateral secession from Serbia in any way," the Serbian Foreign Minister told the Tanjug new agency’s correspondent in New York. "
Well, good for Tanjug readers who are being force-fed more of the usual Vuk canteen meals. :D
Over 100 countries have recognised Palestine...so what?! Kosovo is not going anywhere. It's a frozen conflict. Rest assured neither Russia or China will give it any legitimacy. Dream on....
(DINGDONG, 9 August 2010 14:55)
True but Serbia is no Israel (not militarily or Economically) Serbia can not and will not attack Kosovo like Israel can.
Kosovo is much different and if push comes to shove Kosovo can always join Albania and with that Serbia is not going to attack NATO are they, But it wont come to that this is a battle for Serbia to save face and what it can get Norhh as Autonomy or under Serbia.
Serbia can not exert any pressure as Israel can through USA sorry not even same conversation.
Over 100 countries have recognised Palestine...so what?! Kosovo is not going anywhere. It's a frozen conflict. Rest assured neither Russia or China will give it any legitimacy. Dream on....
Most countries in the world are happy to ignore the Kosovo dispute, including some of the countries which have already recognised Kosovo. They don't want anything to do with it. Last time as the General Assembly Serbia managed to get 77 countries to vote in favour of Serbia's request to the ICJ for it's advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. Many countries will see that as enough from them and that they don't want to do any more. The only reason why Serbia got enough support to ask the ICJ was because of the huge amount of abstentions and absences at the General Assembly.
Most countries are not bothered about Kosovo and Serbia, they have more important issues to deal with. Take Montenegro for example, it has been independent for four years now and it has only been officially recognised by 126 countries. This doesn't mean that those who haven't recognised Montenegro necessarily oppose it's independence, they just don't see the need to explicitly recognise Montenegro as it won't do or achieve anything, the same applies to Kosovo. Some countries have even recognised Kosovo but not Montenegro but this doesn't mean they don't believe Montenegro is independent.
The likelihood of Serbia failing at the General Assembly is high and this will mark the end of Serbia's diplomatic campaign. Countries who recognise and don't recognise Kosovo are now pressuring both Serbia and Kosovo into technically co-operating with each other for practical reasons, eg boarder control, Kosovan and Serbian police working together, trade etc. They don't want status talks and they don't actually care if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not, they just want the situation to be normalised regardless of the status of Kosovo and regardless if Serbia recognises or not. They want Serbia and Kosovo to work together in the same way East and West Germany did and the same way North and South Korea do. All they want is unofficial co-operation between Kosovo and Serbia, not new status talks. They'll get Kosovo and Serbia both into the EU at the same time as separate members but without Serbia recognising Kosovo. They want Serbia and Kosovo to stop being at each other's throats all the time.
As time goes on more countries will recognise Kosovo and establish diplomatic relations etc. Even countries like India, Spain, Greece and Brazil who initially opposed Kosovo's independence will recognise in the future. Notice that many countries have gone quiet on the dispute, India hasn't said anything in well over a year. Many countries have changed their stance from opposed to neutral.
Most countries in the world are happy to ignore the Kosovo dispute, including some of the countries which have already recognised Kosovo. They don't want anything to do with it. Last time as the General Assembly Serbia managed to get 77 countries to vote in favour of Serbia's request to the ICJ for it's advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. Many countries will see that as enough from them and that they don't want to do any more. The only reason why Serbia got enough support to ask the ICJ was because of the huge amount of abstentions and absences at the General Assembly.
Most countries are not bothered about Kosovo and Serbia, they have more important issues to deal with. Take Montenegro for example, it has been independent for four years now and it has only been officially recognised by 126 countries. This doesn't mean that those who haven't recognised Montenegro necessarily oppose it's independence, they just don't see the need to explicitly recognise Montenegro as it won't do or achieve anything, the same applies to Kosovo. Some countries have even recognised Kosovo but not Montenegro but this doesn't mean they don't believe Montenegro is independent.
The likelihood of Serbia failing at the General Assembly is high and this will mark the end of Serbia's diplomatic campaign. Countries who recognise and don't recognise Kosovo are now pressuring both Serbia and Kosovo into technically co-operating with each other for practical reasons, eg boarder control, Kosovan and Serbian police working together, trade etc. They don't want status talks and they don't actually care if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not, they just want the situation to be normalised regardless of the status of Kosovo and regardless if Serbia recognises or not. They want Serbia and Kosovo to work together in the same way East and West Germany did and the same way North and South Korea do. All they want is unofficial co-operation between Kosovo and Serbia, not new status talks. They'll get Kosovo and Serbia both into the EU at the same time as separate members but without Serbia recognising Kosovo. They want Serbia and Kosovo to stop being at each other's throats all the time.
As time goes on more countries will recognise Kosovo and establish diplomatic relations etc. Even countries like India, Spain, Greece and Brazil who initially opposed Kosovo's independence will recognise in the future. Notice that many countries have gone quiet on the dispute, India hasn't said anything in well over a year. Many countries have changed their stance from opposed to neutral.
Over 100 countries have recognised Palestine...so what?! Kosovo is not going anywhere. It's a frozen conflict. Rest assured neither Russia or China will give it any legitimacy. Dream on....
(DINGDONG, 9 August 2010 14:55)
True but Serbia is no Israel (not militarily or Economically) Serbia can not and will not attack Kosovo like Israel can.
Kosovo is much different and if push comes to shove Kosovo can always join Albania and with that Serbia is not going to attack NATO are they, But it wont come to that this is a battle for Serbia to save face and what it can get Norhh as Autonomy or under Serbia.
Serbia can not exert any pressure as Israel can through USA sorry not even same conversation.
""We have informed our colleagues about the contents of the International Court of Justice’s advisory opinion, which did not back Priština's unilateral secession from Serbia in any way," the Serbian Foreign Minister told the Tanjug new agency’s correspondent in New York. "
Well, good for Tanjug readers who are being force-fed more of the usual Vuk canteen meals. :D
Over 100 countries have recognised Palestine...so what?! Kosovo is not going anywhere. It's a frozen conflict. Rest assured neither Russia or China will give it any legitimacy. Dream on....
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/hesitant-india-says-studying-icj-view-on-kosovo-independence/217682.html
"Having in mind the little chance we have, every result we achieve will be seen as a proof of our perseverance in the defense of our sovereignty and territorial integrity, which will show that supporting Serbia is worthwhile," Jeremić concluded.
-- This sounds very different and the complete opposite of "being open" to all solutions. What is it? One tongue for when you go into foreign places and another tongue for when you're home? Is that how it works Vuce? You do know that those in NYC have access to what you and your cronies say in Belgrade. Its not that hard to compare. Thats why you had the British Ambassador in the UNSC openly tell you that Serbia is in direct conflict with the EU.
The best thing Serbia could, and should, do, is to sue individual countries for recognizing the secessionist entity.
(Joachim, 9 August 2010 17:14)
Cannot understand why you all cannot get it through your head, this is not an option, even your own law experts say so.
It would only further antagonize the European future of Serbia, would never be heard before the court, and basically make Serbia look foolish.
But hey, have at it.
Your comment about the world having had enough is absolutely correct.
You have to understand one thing, though. This is the Balkans and people here think that the world revolves around their country and they are the center of all attention. It's just the mentality we have. There are numerous bigger and much more important issues in the world out there.
well my dear k-albanian friends, even if it doesn´t sound good for your greater-albanian ears... there is no chance of "uniting" with Albania, since KiM is legally serbian territory ( temporarily under foreign occupation ), so you should rather focus your attention on how to improve your living conditions until Serbia returns control over her southern province.
even if personally I would even take the Israeli-method of solving the problem into account nobody has to fear further wars, since this will be solved the peaceful way.
our dear k-albanians´ dreams of being infinitely protected by NATO are doomed to failure, but if it let´s them sleep better, let them dream of it.
Serbia will prevail, it´s simply just a question of time, ...while the USofA are slowly but surely losing their image of "the one and only global superpower" as one rather simple k-albanian writer has once called them.
some even see the US losing grip faster than expected, while in the same time China is becoming stronger and stronger on the international scene...
so, there is nothing to worry about, and even the K-albanians have nothing to fear, since they will have a wider autonomy in Serbia than they actually do deserve at all.
everything will be fine, it´s just yours to wait...
"The best thing Serbia could, and should, do, is to sue individual countries for recognizing the secessionist entity.
(Joachim, 9 August 2010 17:14) "
Forget it - there are 3 countries in the Security Council that can veto any ICJ ruling. (Thanks to Stalin - he was the one who insisted on SC members having the right of veto.) Anyway - who would enforce such a decision?
I suppose you could try the Belgrade Municipal Court ...
Perhaps Serbia can't... But her Allies sure can (Russia & China). Just like Kosovo's Allies are the ones who made their "independence" (if thats what you wanna call it) a reality. Let's face it... Something happeneds and the US has to pull out of Kosovo... Serbia would roll over them and any other army fairly quickly. I believe it only took Serbian forces what 24hrs to route the KLA into Albania? Serbia had a lot of empires contest its southern province... unfortunatley for them they had to learn how determined the Serbs can be the hard way. None of those empires are in existence today, however Serbia is alive and well :) Watch and learn my friends, history will repeat itself yet again.
'Kosovo is much different and if push comes to shove Kosovo can always join Albania and with that Serbia is not going to attack NATO are they, But it wont come to that this is a battle for Serbia to save face and what it can get Norhh as Autonomy or under Serbia.'
The Americans will never ever let Kosovo join Albania. You really think they would endanger their puppets in FYROM like that?
Serbia had a lot of empires contest its southern province... unfortunatley for them they had to learn how determined the Serbs can be the hard way. None of those empires are in existence today, however Serbia is alive and well :) Watch and learn my friends, history will repeat itself yet again.
(PeterTheGreat, 9 August 2010 19:20)
Was it highduke who said it here a few days ago that 'Serbia is the rock in which empires break'.
have you have any comprehension what nato is? that albania is a member...attacking it IS attacking nato.
serbia would absolutely love to join nato... the russian "friendship" and lipservice serbia purchased by selling off its energy future to russia on the cheap doesnt cover it. russia wont allow it.
I "love" some of my compatriots: they love hiding behind NATO or US.
If you attack us you will get in trouble with NATO.
What a dignity.... shame on you.
(ben, 9 August 2010 16:44)
Ben Ben Compatriot I am not Albanian sorry do not hold Kosovo or Albanian passport and as a American and French Citizen I can speak about NATO my friend, no shame on that.
Its not shameful when i send donations to Kosovo from our church in US here wow what an ungreatfull human being.
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....[link]
(NoolaV, 9 August 2010 16:33)
======================
Don't speak too soon.
Take a look at this.
http://sify.com/news/india-not-to-recognize-kosovo-news-national-kijuEcjbjdd.html
There is no need for Serbia to attack Kosovo; its dying on its feet now, why launch a military assault on a “dead man”? Kosovo’s importance only relates to Camp Bondsteel and nothing else. Where are the Albanians in Kosovo going to find work? The EU wants to return about 200 000 to Kosovo so the only place is, wait for it, Serbia. You can have 120 UN seats dedicated to Kosovo, but what the Albanians want is free movement of people and goods across Serbia and that’s not going to happen.
As the US has lost the war in Iraq and is currently losing another one in Afghanistan, why would you need Camp Bondsteel???? Military establishments are there to frighten people and to remind them of military action if diplomacy fails. Who is going to fear the US after their debacle in the middle east??? It took 30 years after Vietnam for the US to launch any military action in another country. The US is financially bankrupt to the point even the Chinese are reducing their exposure to US debt; now its 22% but by March 2011 it will be down to 10% maximum. From January to July 2010 the US has lost 800 000 jobs and created 20 000 – you do the maths on that one.
Secondly, Kosovo will NEVER be allowed to join with Albania. When will you realise that Albanians live from hand to mouth using EU money. Do you think that the EU will allow an Islamic state to flourish in Europe? Are you people mad?
(Amer, 9 August 2010 22:14)
And the same goes for full acceptance of Kosovo in the UN, but in that case its only 2 countries will veto that proposal. Status Quo boys, status quo.
All of this is using up time knowing well in advance that the whole thing is going around in circles – the US is well aware of this fact but has to play the game.
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....[link]
(NoolaV, 9 August 2010 16:33)
India has just announced that it will not recognise Pristina's UDD. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=08&dd=10&nav_id=68978
From the link I think one can take it that you lost and Serbia won :)
Ok, so what are the chances of there being gusle-accompanied epics written about "Vuk's Battle before the UN GA"? Heading into a hopeless battle against the mightiest powers of the day, supported by uncertain allies, liable to be betrayed at the last moment, willing to sacrifice simply winning for gaining some intangible good - "showing that supporting Serbia is worthwhile" - all we need is a reference to a falcon. Which should be possible - there are falcons nesting on ledges of the skyscrapers in NY, after all. (Not sure about the color - sorry.)
It is no as if Jeremic is deliberately setting the bar low, is it? FoA (Fans of Albanians) will have to make do for voting for themselves (as on this thread) because that is the only victory they can get. Just wait until your great 'friends' the US and others betray you.
Almost impossible. But will do this anyway. Will say first that "ICJ's advisory opinion advises the UNGA that the declaration itself is not illegal, however it says nothing about the secession."
Then will try to make some noise or use some other distraction, so when the other part says that it was us who asked precisely that question, the people in the room will not hear it.
Will not mention anymore that we are protecting international law. Will just say "one part gets everything and the other part nothing..no no no". If asked to go into details about what we mean with "everything" and what we mean with "nothing" will pretend we don't understand the question.
Over 100 countries have recognised Palestine...so what?! Kosovo is not going anywhere. It's a frozen conflict. Rest assured neither Russia or China will give it any legitimacy. Dream on....
Most countries in the world are happy to ignore the Kosovo dispute, including some of the countries which have already recognised Kosovo. They don't want anything to do with it. Last time as the General Assembly Serbia managed to get 77 countries to vote in favour of Serbia's request to the ICJ for it's advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence. Many countries will see that as enough from them and that they don't want to do any more. The only reason why Serbia got enough support to ask the ICJ was because of the huge amount of abstentions and absences at the General Assembly.
Most countries are not bothered about Kosovo and Serbia, they have more important issues to deal with. Take Montenegro for example, it has been independent for four years now and it has only been officially recognised by 126 countries. This doesn't mean that those who haven't recognised Montenegro necessarily oppose it's independence, they just don't see the need to explicitly recognise Montenegro as it won't do or achieve anything, the same applies to Kosovo. Some countries have even recognised Kosovo but not Montenegro but this doesn't mean they don't believe Montenegro is independent.
The likelihood of Serbia failing at the General Assembly is high and this will mark the end of Serbia's diplomatic campaign. Countries who recognise and don't recognise Kosovo are now pressuring both Serbia and Kosovo into technically co-operating with each other for practical reasons, eg boarder control, Kosovan and Serbian police working together, trade etc. They don't want status talks and they don't actually care if Serbia recognises Kosovo or not, they just want the situation to be normalised regardless of the status of Kosovo and regardless if Serbia recognises or not. They want Serbia and Kosovo to work together in the same way East and West Germany did and the same way North and South Korea do. All they want is unofficial co-operation between Kosovo and Serbia, not new status talks. They'll get Kosovo and Serbia both into the EU at the same time as separate members but without Serbia recognising Kosovo. They want Serbia and Kosovo to stop being at each other's throats all the time.
As time goes on more countries will recognise Kosovo and establish diplomatic relations etc. Even countries like India, Spain, Greece and Brazil who initially opposed Kosovo's independence will recognise in the future. Notice that many countries have gone quiet on the dispute, India hasn't said anything in well over a year. Many countries have changed their stance from opposed to neutral.
'Kosovo is much different and if push comes to shove Kosovo can always join Albania and with that Serbia is not going to attack NATO are they, But it wont come to that this is a battle for Serbia to save face and what it can get Norhh as Autonomy or under Serbia.'
The Americans will never ever let Kosovo join Albania. You really think they would endanger their puppets in FYROM like that?
well my dear k-albanian friends, even if it doesn´t sound good for your greater-albanian ears... there is no chance of "uniting" with Albania, since KiM is legally serbian territory ( temporarily under foreign occupation ), so you should rather focus your attention on how to improve your living conditions until Serbia returns control over her southern province.
even if personally I would even take the Israeli-method of solving the problem into account nobody has to fear further wars, since this will be solved the peaceful way.
our dear k-albanians´ dreams of being infinitely protected by NATO are doomed to failure, but if it let´s them sleep better, let them dream of it.
Serbia will prevail, it´s simply just a question of time, ...while the USofA are slowly but surely losing their image of "the one and only global superpower" as one rather simple k-albanian writer has once called them.
some even see the US losing grip faster than expected, while in the same time China is becoming stronger and stronger on the international scene...
so, there is nothing to worry about, and even the K-albanians have nothing to fear, since they will have a wider autonomy in Serbia than they actually do deserve at all.
everything will be fine, it´s just yours to wait...
""We have informed our colleagues about the contents of the International Court of Justice’s advisory opinion, which did not back Priština's unilateral secession from Serbia in any way," the Serbian Foreign Minister told the Tanjug new agency’s correspondent in New York. "
Well, good for Tanjug readers who are being force-fed more of the usual Vuk canteen meals. :D
Over 100 countries have recognised Palestine...so what?! Kosovo is not going anywhere. It's a frozen conflict. Rest assured neither Russia or China will give it any legitimacy. Dream on....
(DINGDONG, 9 August 2010 14:55)
True but Serbia is no Israel (not militarily or Economically) Serbia can not and will not attack Kosovo like Israel can.
Kosovo is much different and if push comes to shove Kosovo can always join Albania and with that Serbia is not going to attack NATO are they, But it wont come to that this is a battle for Serbia to save face and what it can get Norhh as Autonomy or under Serbia.
Serbia can not exert any pressure as Israel can through USA sorry not even same conversation.
"Having in mind the little chance we have, every result we achieve will be seen as a proof of our perseverance in the defense of our sovereignty and territorial integrity, which will show that supporting Serbia is worthwhile," Jeremić concluded.
-- This sounds very different and the complete opposite of "being open" to all solutions. What is it? One tongue for when you go into foreign places and another tongue for when you're home? Is that how it works Vuce? You do know that those in NYC have access to what you and your cronies say in Belgrade. Its not that hard to compare. Thats why you had the British Ambassador in the UNSC openly tell you that Serbia is in direct conflict with the EU.
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....http://ibnlive.in.com/generalnewsfeed/news/hesitant-india-says-studying-icj-view-on-kosovo-independence/217682.html
Perhaps Serbia can't... But her Allies sure can (Russia & China). Just like Kosovo's Allies are the ones who made their "independence" (if thats what you wanna call it) a reality. Let's face it... Something happeneds and the US has to pull out of Kosovo... Serbia would roll over them and any other army fairly quickly. I believe it only took Serbian forces what 24hrs to route the KLA into Albania? Serbia had a lot of empires contest its southern province... unfortunatley for them they had to learn how determined the Serbs can be the hard way. None of those empires are in existence today, however Serbia is alive and well :) Watch and learn my friends, history will repeat itself yet again.
The best thing Serbia could, and should, do, is to sue individual countries for recognizing the secessionist entity.
(Joachim, 9 August 2010 17:14)
Cannot understand why you all cannot get it through your head, this is not an option, even your own law experts say so.
It would only further antagonize the European future of Serbia, would never be heard before the court, and basically make Serbia look foolish.
But hey, have at it.
have you have any comprehension what nato is? that albania is a member...attacking it IS attacking nato.
serbia would absolutely love to join nato... the russian "friendship" and lipservice serbia purchased by selling off its energy future to russia on the cheap doesnt cover it. russia wont allow it.
"The best thing Serbia could, and should, do, is to sue individual countries for recognizing the secessionist entity.
(Joachim, 9 August 2010 17:14) "
Forget it - there are 3 countries in the Security Council that can veto any ICJ ruling. (Thanks to Stalin - he was the one who insisted on SC members having the right of veto.) Anyway - who would enforce such a decision?
I suppose you could try the Belgrade Municipal Court ...
I "love" some of my compatriots: they love hiding behind NATO or US.
If you attack us you will get in trouble with NATO.
What a dignity.... shame on you.
(ben, 9 August 2010 16:44)
Ben Ben Compatriot I am not Albanian sorry do not hold Kosovo or Albanian passport and as a American and French Citizen I can speak about NATO my friend, no shame on that.
Its not shameful when i send donations to Kosovo from our church in US here wow what an ungreatfull human being.
Your comment about the world having had enough is absolutely correct.
You have to understand one thing, though. This is the Balkans and people here think that the world revolves around their country and they are the center of all attention. It's just the mentality we have. There are numerous bigger and much more important issues in the world out there.
It is no as if Jeremic is deliberately setting the bar low, is it? FoA (Fans of Albanians) will have to make do for voting for themselves (as on this thread) because that is the only victory they can get. Just wait until your great 'friends' the US and others betray you.
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....[link]
(NoolaV, 9 August 2010 16:33)
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Don't speak too soon.
Take a look at this.
http://sify.com/news/india-not-to-recognize-kosovo-news-national-kijuEcjbjdd.html
India is studying ICJ decision that Kosovo Indepedence was in line with international Law.Serbia lost....[link]
(NoolaV, 9 August 2010 16:33)
India has just announced that it will not recognise Pristina's UDD. http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=08&dd=10&nav_id=68978
From the link I think one can take it that you lost and Serbia won :)
There is no need for Serbia to attack Kosovo; its dying on its feet now, why launch a military assault on a “dead man”? Kosovo’s importance only relates to Camp Bondsteel and nothing else. Where are the Albanians in Kosovo going to find work? The EU wants to return about 200 000 to Kosovo so the only place is, wait for it, Serbia. You can have 120 UN seats dedicated to Kosovo, but what the Albanians want is free movement of people and goods across Serbia and that’s not going to happen.
As the US has lost the war in Iraq and is currently losing another one in Afghanistan, why would you need Camp Bondsteel???? Military establishments are there to frighten people and to remind them of military action if diplomacy fails. Who is going to fear the US after their debacle in the middle east??? It took 30 years after Vietnam for the US to launch any military action in another country. The US is financially bankrupt to the point even the Chinese are reducing their exposure to US debt; now its 22% but by March 2011 it will be down to 10% maximum. From January to July 2010 the US has lost 800 000 jobs and created 20 000 – you do the maths on that one.
Secondly, Kosovo will NEVER be allowed to join with Albania. When will you realise that Albanians live from hand to mouth using EU money. Do you think that the EU will allow an Islamic state to flourish in Europe? Are you people mad?
(Amer, 9 August 2010 22:14)
And the same goes for full acceptance of Kosovo in the UN, but in that case its only 2 countries will veto that proposal. Status Quo boys, status quo.
All of this is using up time knowing well in advance that the whole thing is going around in circles – the US is well aware of this fact but has to play the game.
Serbia had a lot of empires contest its southern province... unfortunatley for them they had to learn how determined the Serbs can be the hard way. None of those empires are in existence today, however Serbia is alive and well :) Watch and learn my friends, history will repeat itself yet again.
(PeterTheGreat, 9 August 2010 19:20)
Was it highduke who said it here a few days ago that 'Serbia is the rock in which empires break'.
Ok, so what are the chances of there being gusle-accompanied epics written about "Vuk's Battle before the UN GA"? Heading into a hopeless battle against the mightiest powers of the day, supported by uncertain allies, liable to be betrayed at the last moment, willing to sacrifice simply winning for gaining some intangible good - "showing that supporting Serbia is worthwhile" - all we need is a reference to a falcon. Which should be possible - there are falcons nesting on ledges of the skyscrapers in NY, after all. (Not sure about the color - sorry.)
Almost impossible. But will do this anyway. Will say first that "ICJ's advisory opinion advises the UNGA that the declaration itself is not illegal, however it says nothing about the secession."
Then will try to make some noise or use some other distraction, so when the other part says that it was us who asked precisely that question, the people in the room will not hear it.
Will not mention anymore that we are protecting international law. Will just say "one part gets everything and the other part nothing..no no no". If asked to go into details about what we mean with "everything" and what we mean with "nothing" will pretend we don't understand the question.
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