Friday, 06.08.2010.
09:51
The minister for Kosovo says the KFOR decision to turn over the protection of Serbian Orthodox monasteries to the Kosovo police, KPS, will not improve security.
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Peggy
It's not my intention to have a play on words. "Will be permitted" means something that will happen in the future
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Exactly. Something that will happen in the future not something that might happen pending on approval. By saying will happen it means that it has already been pre approved.
I really don't understand how you cannot grasp this simple thing.
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I'm sudden, dismay and concern about KFOR transferring Serbian Orthodox Monasteries security to KPS.Only 6 short years ago KPS led the mob attack on unarmed Serbian people and started burning Serbian Orthodox Shrines in Kosovo in front of KFOR.There was a number of attacks since then too.However,just recently USA Government issued statement "
There was not a terrorist attack in Kosovo in 2009."It was a good news but hardly a dependable trend.Government of Pristina no longer is talking publicly, of totally removing Serbian people and their Shrines from Kosovo but they still harboring that desire and intent.Pristina attitude attest to that fact.Gentlemen
"VUK DLAKU MIJENJA ALI CUD NIKAD" Serbian Orthodox Church Authority should make it plain to KFOR,EU and UN by all relevant documents Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries in Kosovo are in Serbia and will deal with Serbian authorities only in regard to their security needs
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Will be permitted sounds like a definite to me.
Now if it said might, then I would say the permission is not certain but a word like will sounds pretty certain to me.
Again, I was stating that it was military personnel in response to another poster who suggested that they would not be allowed to be armed.
Please respond to what I actually was responding to instead of having a play on words.
(Peggy, 8 August 2010 22:35)
Peggy
It's not my intention to have a play on words. "Will be permitted" means something that will happen in the future and permission has to be obtained from KFOR as the only approved military force in Kosovo according to 1244. KFOR will evaluates the situation and then decides whether to issue the permission or not. KFOR has considered this point and concluded that 999 maximum of that lightly armed personnel will need at least 5000 KFOR (5 per 1) soldiers to guarantee their security which is practicaly not feasible. KFOR is under NATO commander.
"Is permitted" means that return of that personnel at the moment resolution is effective which as you correctly read this wording is not there.
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Peggy
Let me tell you. Per your comment based on resolution:
"Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo"
Will be permitted means that permission has to be obtained.
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Will be permitted sounds like a definite to me.
Now if it said might, then I would say the permission is not certain but a word like will sounds pretty certain to me.
Again, I was stating that it was military personnel in response to another poster who suggested that they would not be allowed to be armed.
Please respond to what I actually was responding to instead of having a play on words.
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You do pick and choose which ones suit you and which ones don't.
Did you forget to read this part?
Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
Military and police means armed. Which military do you know of doesn't carry arms?
(Peggy, 8 August 2010 02:36)
Peggy
Let me tell you. Per your comment based on resolution:
"Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo"
Will be permitted means that permission has to be obtained.
It would be completely different had the resoultion said: "is permitted"
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Since when is NATO a political organisation able to make these sorts of decisions?
Resolution 1244 does not give NATO the mandate to make a decision on this and so this makes NATO in clear violation of it.
I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
(Peggy, 7 August 2010 03:02)
The resolution calls for that return of personnel with the agreed number and when agreed by NATO (read Kumanovo agreement).
If never agreed never will happen.
Who gave NATO the authority? Please do not forget the Kumanovo Agreement as result of defeated Serbia.
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Mother of God. Protect the Christians in Kosovo.
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You are right its like owning land (in Kosovo or UK) if you bought it its yours right but that church is still in UK.
The seat of Orthodox church is in Turkey and lets say that Greece has no chance in life to ever get it back, sure rule#1 no more priests from outside Turkey needs to be Turkish.( i dont agree with it) but you see you can pu thinks in place that there will be no one to take care of it the big school for priests in turkey is closed now no one to attend in 20years no one will be able to preach church is gone.
(Bilbao, 7 August 2010 09:22)
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In your perfect world.
Those churches are still Greek, Serbian, Russian or whatever. You cannot rewrite history and claim them your own. That's the point.
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"Maintain a presence" does not mean "act as armed guards."
And whatever happened to clearing those minefields?
(Amer, 7 August 2010 17:02)
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You do pick and choose which ones suit you and which ones don't.
Did you forget to read this part?
Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
Military and police means armed. Which military do you know of doesn't carry arms?
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"I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
(Peggy, 7 August 2010 03:02) "
1244 says:
'# After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
* Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
* Marking/clearing minefields;
* Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
* Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.'
"Agreed" means "with the permission of KFOR," which apparently they didn't get.
"Maintain a presence" does not mean "act as armed guards."
And whatever happened to clearing those minefields?
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"if they could afford to buy generators and diesel to run them then they had no problems in paying their electric bills but only wanted a free ride." (pss)
-- They surely could have paid. They had no problem paying bills, so the "free ride" assumption is wrong. But you're missing the important thing: they didn't *want* to pay to KEK, which was clearly being used as a political tool by Thaci. In fact the cost of a generator was twice to three times the cost of monthly bills. But why pay to a company that's run by an embezzler?
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Bilbao: "In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy."
They are ruins, and the territory legally belongs to Croatia.
In this case, the territory still legally belongs to Serbia (despite all the wishful thinking). The Church still legally owns its buildings and land.
Besides which, in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
(kate, 6 August 2010 15:25)
You are right its like owning land (in Kosovo or UK) if you bought it its yours right but that church is still in UK.
The seat of Orthodox church is in Turkey and lets say that Greece has no chance in life to ever get it back, sure rule#1 no more priests from outside Turkey needs to be Turkish.( i dont agree with it) but you see you can pu thinks in place that there will be no one to take care of it the big school for priests in turkey is closed now no one to attend in 20years no one will be able to preach church is gone.
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The move is as appropriate as it could be. It is a symbolic move brought at the right time and space. Mr. Bogdanovic is aware that neither 2 or 3 soldiers nor a battalion is able to protect any of religious places; it is Albanians who don’t bother of their presence. Mr. Bogdanovic complaints about the decision made without Belgrade’s content! Unfortunately, he fails to address the issue; such situation is a product of exactly Serb weird politics. As of Prishtina’s unilateral moves, let’s recall a fact; Kosova Albanians were compelled to move unilaterally, having no other alternatives after disbanded by all human, citizen and political rights by the Serbian regime.
Nevertheless, Mr. Bogdanovic is exactly a shining example of a kind that ‘contributed’ to this disaster. However what is worrying in here, I would say is behavior of the Serbian Orthodox Church! In fact mission of any religious branch is supposed to move away barriers among people (as it is ordered by God), but in this case and many cases before the for sake of daily politics S.O.CH. did nothing but introduced a stricter regimes toward visitors, and by putting in place "new walls, and barbed wire"!!!
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For those who somehow think this is a definitive "victory" for Pristina, please remember that last year during KEK's move to cut power, most if not all of Gracanica bought power generators. This area is somewhat different from northern Kosovo in that it has largely become self-reliant instead of immediately looking to Belgrade. I really doubt most Gracanica Serbs will be that pissed that 1 or 2 out of the 5 or 6 guards might be Albanian.
(Mike, 6 August 2010 17:51
Which goes to prove that the electricity cuts were appropriate, if they could afford to buy generators and diesel to run them then they had no problems in paying their electric bills but only wanted a free ride.
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Since when is NATO a political organisation able to make these sorts of decisions?
Resolution 1244 does not give NATO the mandate to make a decision on this and so this makes NATO in clear violation of it.
I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
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in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
(kate, 6 August 2010 15:25)
I may add that there are a number of Greek churches in North London suburbs which they also run the Greek language schools.
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Our visitor Arton has set another low today with his comment that is the direct result of ignorance and a lack of basic history education that apparently has been neglected for many generations. Arton, I hope you are aware that your thinking can be considered cultural genocide and history falsification. The Serbian history, culture, and spirit will always be a part of Kosovo and as long as the Kosovo Albanian thugs and their Western masters temporarily control Kosovo it will be a cursed place, unfortunately also for the remaining Serbs. The religious cultural herritage of the Kosovo Albanians are and will be the mosques that have been and are being built with money from autocratic Muslim regimes like Saudi Arabia.
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Are you on crack, Arton, or are you just trying to tell a lie? Serbian, not Albanian monasteries, have been destroyed by Albanian mobs since 1999, and continue to be in danger of destruction to this day. That is why they need to be guarded from hostile Albanians. The people that fly into Pristina's little airport are Albanians mostly, so obviously they need no protection - but what does the airport have to do with the safety of Serbian monasteries? If one more brick is touched on a Serbian monastery in KiM, the Serbian army, along with the Russian crises center response teams in Nis, should immediately rush into KiM and protect the Serbian heritage. Albanians want an ethnically pure Kosovo, they have demonstrated that by their actions, and will stop at nothing to achieve that goal, so the Serbian monasteries must be protected 24/7.
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No Luigi you are not wrong..Yesterday that other minister, Ivanovic, said it was good to have serbs looking over the monastery. I do not think these two ministers they are uncoordinated. All it takes is a phone call before talking with the press and you agree on the line. I sense some disagreements/power struggle there between the minister for Kosovo and the other minister for Kosovo.
As for the real security situation there, if KFOR says it's safe I believe them.
Speaking about security, what happened with the investigations about that bomb that killed that doctor in N. Mitrovica? Any news yet? What about the people who shot that politician in the legs?
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Take this in stride. This is coming from Bogdanovic who tends to make everything seem far worse than it really is.
Gracanica is populated by 10,000 Serbs. The monastery is said to be guarded by KPS comprised mainly of Serbs. If there's one or two token Albanians thrown in there for the sake of multiethnic symbolism, they can avail themselves to an excellent kafana just northeast of the church. Next to "guarding" the "border" with the rest of Serbia in Leposavic, guarding Gracanica has to be one of the cushiest jobs in Kosovo.
For those who somehow think this is a definitive "victory" for Pristina, please remember that last year during KEK's move to cut power, most if not all of Gracanica bought power generators. This area is somewhat different from northern Kosovo in that it has largely become self-reliant instead of immediately looking to Belgrade. I really doubt most Gracanica Serbs will be that pissed that 1 or 2 out of the 5 or 6 guards might be Albanian.
And the minute Pristina attempts another stupid move, I daresay the KPS Serbs will follow any marching orders.
"In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy." (Bilbao"
-- True, but we still call them Roman. Not Croatian. So no matter where the churches lie, they're still "Serbian".
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You are wrong, Bilbao. How can a Roman ruin ever belong to Croatia? It can be on present day Croatian soil, but a Roman ruin can never the Croatian. The same way, a Spanish church in South America will always be a Spanish church in S.A., it can be on S.A. soil, but it will always be a Spanish church. A good example in Croatia would be Jasenovac, regardless of whatever soil it may rest on in the future, it will always belong to Croatia. You cannot rewrite history, because of border changes. Anyway, why are some Kosovars attempting to claim Serbian churches in KiM, as belongong to Albanians? I do not follow that, unless they are trying to eliminate anything that symbolizes Serbia and its people from KiM.
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The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police.
(Arton, 6 August 2010 10:18)
GUARDED FROM WHOM EXACTLY??
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Bilbao: "In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy."
They are ruins, and the territory legally belongs to Croatia.
In this case, the territory still legally belongs to Serbia (despite all the wishful thinking). The Church still legally owns its buildings and land.
Besides which, in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
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Ivanovic said it was OK for KPS to take over these objects security. I hope not but I think a deal was made by Tadic and Ivanovic with Thaqi. Funny!
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"The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police. "
Kosovar monestaries? "Our cultural heritage? What a joke. Who has it been who looted and destroyed a lot of this "cultural heritage" in 2004? The little green men from mars?
And the words "Best" and "Kosovo police" in one sentence is an oxymoron in itself - we all know how successful they have been protecting Serbian returnees against the mob which was throwing stones.
Let's hope there will be no more destruction following, when KFOR will stop protecting the monastaries and monks living there.
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Even if Kosovo was truly independent, you can't 'inherit' churches and monasteries. They belong to the church of a specific nationality/ denomination.
You (as in any group) can take land, take money, even take lives, but nobody can steal history, heritage or spirit.
(kate, 6 August 2010 12:59)
I do not agree with you on this why?
In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy.
In South America there are many many churches built by Spanish but today i dont see Spain saying oh these are ours any longer.
World goes like this the territory of Kosovo has gone back and forth through history and the reality is like this Unless they pick it up and move it to Serbia this is Part of Kosovo.
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Arton: "The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance."
Even if Kosovo was truly independent, you can't 'inherit' churches and monasteries. They belong to the church of a specific nationality/ denomination.
You (as in any group) can take land, take money, even take lives, but nobody can steal history, heritage or spirit.
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ARTON
The Church is named the "Serbian Orthodox Church"
and therefore belongs to the Serbian peoples, including the 8 million living in Serbia proper.
Maybe you were mistaken, in that your Kosovar church is down in Albania.
If it weren't for the current security, this church would have been a pile of rubble, demolished by the Kosovars.
By the way a Serb would never call himself a Kosovar.
Otherwise, the church would be called
"The Kosovarian Orthodox Church"
LMAO!
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Nice one Arton. I don't think even PRN has dared to say the monasteries aren't Serbian before.
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But am i wrong or yesterday everybody in Serbia's governament were happy !!??
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No one will buy the lies of the Serbian politics any more. 10,000 people are flying into Kosovo everyday from all over the world according to Prishtina airport figures and believe me they have their own opinion about security in Kosovo. The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police. I am certain there is no need for any guradins but since we know there will be complaints about the safety of them, we will make the Serbian politicans happy by providing the safety for them.
Serbian politicians need to stop telling lies to its people, because they are the only ones served with them. No one else believes the untrue stories coming fro mSerbian politicians any more.
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"Monastery decision will not improve security"
NOBODY is aiming at improving security, BUT to resume on the same level of security as it is at the moment. Period.
There is no need to invest further on security, it is already very secure.
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Nice one Arton. I don't think even PRN has dared to say the monasteries aren't Serbian before.
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ARTON
The Church is named the "Serbian Orthodox Church"
and therefore belongs to the Serbian peoples, including the 8 million living in Serbia proper.
Maybe you were mistaken, in that your Kosovar church is down in Albania.
If it weren't for the current security, this church would have been a pile of rubble, demolished by the Kosovars.
By the way a Serb would never call himself a Kosovar.
Otherwise, the church would be called
"The Kosovarian Orthodox Church"
LMAO!
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Arton: "The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance."
Even if Kosovo was truly independent, you can't 'inherit' churches and monasteries. They belong to the church of a specific nationality/ denomination.
You (as in any group) can take land, take money, even take lives, but nobody can steal history, heritage or spirit.
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"Monastery decision will not improve security"
NOBODY is aiming at improving security, BUT to resume on the same level of security as it is at the moment. Period.
There is no need to invest further on security, it is already very secure.
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No one will buy the lies of the Serbian politics any more. 10,000 people are flying into Kosovo everyday from all over the world according to Prishtina airport figures and believe me they have their own opinion about security in Kosovo. The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police. I am certain there is no need for any guradins but since we know there will be complaints about the safety of them, we will make the Serbian politicans happy by providing the safety for them.
Serbian politicians need to stop telling lies to its people, because they are the only ones served with them. No one else believes the untrue stories coming fro mSerbian politicians any more.
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"The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police. "
Kosovar monestaries? "Our cultural heritage? What a joke. Who has it been who looted and destroyed a lot of this "cultural heritage" in 2004? The little green men from mars?
And the words "Best" and "Kosovo police" in one sentence is an oxymoron in itself - we all know how successful they have been protecting Serbian returnees against the mob which was throwing stones.
Let's hope there will be no more destruction following, when KFOR will stop protecting the monastaries and monks living there.
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But am i wrong or yesterday everybody in Serbia's governament were happy !!??
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Even if Kosovo was truly independent, you can't 'inherit' churches and monasteries. They belong to the church of a specific nationality/ denomination.
You (as in any group) can take land, take money, even take lives, but nobody can steal history, heritage or spirit.
(kate, 6 August 2010 12:59)
I do not agree with you on this why?
In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy.
In South America there are many many churches built by Spanish but today i dont see Spain saying oh these are ours any longer.
World goes like this the territory of Kosovo has gone back and forth through history and the reality is like this Unless they pick it up and move it to Serbia this is Part of Kosovo.
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Bilbao: "In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy."
They are ruins, and the territory legally belongs to Croatia.
In this case, the territory still legally belongs to Serbia (despite all the wishful thinking). The Church still legally owns its buildings and land.
Besides which, in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
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Take this in stride. This is coming from Bogdanovic who tends to make everything seem far worse than it really is.
Gracanica is populated by 10,000 Serbs. The monastery is said to be guarded by KPS comprised mainly of Serbs. If there's one or two token Albanians thrown in there for the sake of multiethnic symbolism, they can avail themselves to an excellent kafana just northeast of the church. Next to "guarding" the "border" with the rest of Serbia in Leposavic, guarding Gracanica has to be one of the cushiest jobs in Kosovo.
For those who somehow think this is a definitive "victory" for Pristina, please remember that last year during KEK's move to cut power, most if not all of Gracanica bought power generators. This area is somewhat different from northern Kosovo in that it has largely become self-reliant instead of immediately looking to Belgrade. I really doubt most Gracanica Serbs will be that pissed that 1 or 2 out of the 5 or 6 guards might be Albanian.
And the minute Pristina attempts another stupid move, I daresay the KPS Serbs will follow any marching orders.
"In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy." (Bilbao"
-- True, but we still call them Roman. Not Croatian. So no matter where the churches lie, they're still "Serbian".
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The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police.
(Arton, 6 August 2010 10:18)
GUARDED FROM WHOM EXACTLY??
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Are you on crack, Arton, or are you just trying to tell a lie? Serbian, not Albanian monasteries, have been destroyed by Albanian mobs since 1999, and continue to be in danger of destruction to this day. That is why they need to be guarded from hostile Albanians. The people that fly into Pristina's little airport are Albanians mostly, so obviously they need no protection - but what does the airport have to do with the safety of Serbian monasteries? If one more brick is touched on a Serbian monastery in KiM, the Serbian army, along with the Russian crises center response teams in Nis, should immediately rush into KiM and protect the Serbian heritage. Albanians want an ethnically pure Kosovo, they have demonstrated that by their actions, and will stop at nothing to achieve that goal, so the Serbian monasteries must be protected 24/7.
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in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
(kate, 6 August 2010 15:25)
I may add that there are a number of Greek churches in North London suburbs which they also run the Greek language schools.
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You are wrong, Bilbao. How can a Roman ruin ever belong to Croatia? It can be on present day Croatian soil, but a Roman ruin can never the Croatian. The same way, a Spanish church in South America will always be a Spanish church in S.A., it can be on S.A. soil, but it will always be a Spanish church. A good example in Croatia would be Jasenovac, regardless of whatever soil it may rest on in the future, it will always belong to Croatia. You cannot rewrite history, because of border changes. Anyway, why are some Kosovars attempting to claim Serbian churches in KiM, as belongong to Albanians? I do not follow that, unless they are trying to eliminate anything that symbolizes Serbia and its people from KiM.
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Our visitor Arton has set another low today with his comment that is the direct result of ignorance and a lack of basic history education that apparently has been neglected for many generations. Arton, I hope you are aware that your thinking can be considered cultural genocide and history falsification. The Serbian history, culture, and spirit will always be a part of Kosovo and as long as the Kosovo Albanian thugs and their Western masters temporarily control Kosovo it will be a cursed place, unfortunately also for the remaining Serbs. The religious cultural herritage of the Kosovo Albanians are and will be the mosques that have been and are being built with money from autocratic Muslim regimes like Saudi Arabia.
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Ivanovic said it was OK for KPS to take over these objects security. I hope not but I think a deal was made by Tadic and Ivanovic with Thaqi. Funny!
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Since when is NATO a political organisation able to make these sorts of decisions?
Resolution 1244 does not give NATO the mandate to make a decision on this and so this makes NATO in clear violation of it.
I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
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No Luigi you are not wrong..Yesterday that other minister, Ivanovic, said it was good to have serbs looking over the monastery. I do not think these two ministers they are uncoordinated. All it takes is a phone call before talking with the press and you agree on the line. I sense some disagreements/power struggle there between the minister for Kosovo and the other minister for Kosovo.
As for the real security situation there, if KFOR says it's safe I believe them.
Speaking about security, what happened with the investigations about that bomb that killed that doctor in N. Mitrovica? Any news yet? What about the people who shot that politician in the legs?
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You are right its like owning land (in Kosovo or UK) if you bought it its yours right but that church is still in UK.
The seat of Orthodox church is in Turkey and lets say that Greece has no chance in life to ever get it back, sure rule#1 no more priests from outside Turkey needs to be Turkish.( i dont agree with it) but you see you can pu thinks in place that there will be no one to take care of it the big school for priests in turkey is closed now no one to attend in 20years no one will be able to preach church is gone.
(Bilbao, 7 August 2010 09:22)
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In your perfect world.
Those churches are still Greek, Serbian, Russian or whatever. You cannot rewrite history and claim them your own. That's the point.
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For those who somehow think this is a definitive "victory" for Pristina, please remember that last year during KEK's move to cut power, most if not all of Gracanica bought power generators. This area is somewhat different from northern Kosovo in that it has largely become self-reliant instead of immediately looking to Belgrade. I really doubt most Gracanica Serbs will be that pissed that 1 or 2 out of the 5 or 6 guards might be Albanian.
(Mike, 6 August 2010 17:51
Which goes to prove that the electricity cuts were appropriate, if they could afford to buy generators and diesel to run them then they had no problems in paying their electric bills but only wanted a free ride.
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I'm sudden, dismay and concern about KFOR transferring Serbian Orthodox Monasteries security to KPS.Only 6 short years ago KPS led the mob attack on unarmed Serbian people and started burning Serbian Orthodox Shrines in Kosovo in front of KFOR.There was a number of attacks since then too.However,just recently USA Government issued statement "
There was not a terrorist attack in Kosovo in 2009."It was a good news but hardly a dependable trend.Government of Pristina no longer is talking publicly, of totally removing Serbian people and their Shrines from Kosovo but they still harboring that desire and intent.Pristina attitude attest to that fact.Gentlemen
"VUK DLAKU MIJENJA ALI CUD NIKAD" Serbian Orthodox Church Authority should make it plain to KFOR,EU and UN by all relevant documents Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries in Kosovo are in Serbia and will deal with Serbian authorities only in regard to their security needs
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"Maintain a presence" does not mean "act as armed guards."
And whatever happened to clearing those minefields?
(Amer, 7 August 2010 17:02)
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You do pick and choose which ones suit you and which ones don't.
Did you forget to read this part?
Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
Military and police means armed. Which military do you know of doesn't carry arms?
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Peggy
Let me tell you. Per your comment based on resolution:
"Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo"
Will be permitted means that permission has to be obtained.
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Will be permitted sounds like a definite to me.
Now if it said might, then I would say the permission is not certain but a word like will sounds pretty certain to me.
Again, I was stating that it was military personnel in response to another poster who suggested that they would not be allowed to be armed.
Please respond to what I actually was responding to instead of having a play on words.
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The move is as appropriate as it could be. It is a symbolic move brought at the right time and space. Mr. Bogdanovic is aware that neither 2 or 3 soldiers nor a battalion is able to protect any of religious places; it is Albanians who don’t bother of their presence. Mr. Bogdanovic complaints about the decision made without Belgrade’s content! Unfortunately, he fails to address the issue; such situation is a product of exactly Serb weird politics. As of Prishtina’s unilateral moves, let’s recall a fact; Kosova Albanians were compelled to move unilaterally, having no other alternatives after disbanded by all human, citizen and political rights by the Serbian regime.
Nevertheless, Mr. Bogdanovic is exactly a shining example of a kind that ‘contributed’ to this disaster. However what is worrying in here, I would say is behavior of the Serbian Orthodox Church! In fact mission of any religious branch is supposed to move away barriers among people (as it is ordered by God), but in this case and many cases before the for sake of daily politics S.O.CH. did nothing but introduced a stricter regimes toward visitors, and by putting in place "new walls, and barbed wire"!!!
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"if they could afford to buy generators and diesel to run them then they had no problems in paying their electric bills but only wanted a free ride." (pss)
-- They surely could have paid. They had no problem paying bills, so the "free ride" assumption is wrong. But you're missing the important thing: they didn't *want* to pay to KEK, which was clearly being used as a political tool by Thaci. In fact the cost of a generator was twice to three times the cost of monthly bills. But why pay to a company that's run by an embezzler?
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Mother of God. Protect the Christians in Kosovo.
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Peggy
It's not my intention to have a play on words. "Will be permitted" means something that will happen in the future
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Exactly. Something that will happen in the future not something that might happen pending on approval. By saying will happen it means that it has already been pre approved.
I really don't understand how you cannot grasp this simple thing.
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Bilbao: "In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy."
They are ruins, and the territory legally belongs to Croatia.
In this case, the territory still legally belongs to Serbia (despite all the wishful thinking). The Church still legally owns its buildings and land.
Besides which, in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
(kate, 6 August 2010 15:25)
You are right its like owning land (in Kosovo or UK) if you bought it its yours right but that church is still in UK.
The seat of Orthodox church is in Turkey and lets say that Greece has no chance in life to ever get it back, sure rule#1 no more priests from outside Turkey needs to be Turkish.( i dont agree with it) but you see you can pu thinks in place that there will be no one to take care of it the big school for priests in turkey is closed now no one to attend in 20years no one will be able to preach church is gone.
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"I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
(Peggy, 7 August 2010 03:02) "
1244 says:
'# After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
* Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
* Marking/clearing minefields;
* Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
* Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.'
"Agreed" means "with the permission of KFOR," which apparently they didn't get.
"Maintain a presence" does not mean "act as armed guards."
And whatever happened to clearing those minefields?
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Since when is NATO a political organisation able to make these sorts of decisions?
Resolution 1244 does not give NATO the mandate to make a decision on this and so this makes NATO in clear violation of it.
I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
(Peggy, 7 August 2010 03:02)
The resolution calls for that return of personnel with the agreed number and when agreed by NATO (read Kumanovo agreement).
If never agreed never will happen.
Who gave NATO the authority? Please do not forget the Kumanovo Agreement as result of defeated Serbia.
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You do pick and choose which ones suit you and which ones don't.
Did you forget to read this part?
Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
Military and police means armed. Which military do you know of doesn't carry arms?
(Peggy, 8 August 2010 02:36)
Peggy
Let me tell you. Per your comment based on resolution:
"Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo"
Will be permitted means that permission has to be obtained.
It would be completely different had the resoultion said: "is permitted"
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Will be permitted sounds like a definite to me.
Now if it said might, then I would say the permission is not certain but a word like will sounds pretty certain to me.
Again, I was stating that it was military personnel in response to another poster who suggested that they would not be allowed to be armed.
Please respond to what I actually was responding to instead of having a play on words.
(Peggy, 8 August 2010 22:35)
Peggy
It's not my intention to have a play on words. "Will be permitted" means something that will happen in the future and permission has to be obtained from KFOR as the only approved military force in Kosovo according to 1244. KFOR will evaluates the situation and then decides whether to issue the permission or not. KFOR has considered this point and concluded that 999 maximum of that lightly armed personnel will need at least 5000 KFOR (5 per 1) soldiers to guarantee their security which is practicaly not feasible. KFOR is under NATO commander.
"Is permitted" means that return of that personnel at the moment resolution is effective which as you correctly read this wording is not there.
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No one will buy the lies of the Serbian politics any more. 10,000 people are flying into Kosovo everyday from all over the world according to Prishtina airport figures and believe me they have their own opinion about security in Kosovo. The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police. I am certain there is no need for any guradins but since we know there will be complaints about the safety of them, we will make the Serbian politicans happy by providing the safety for them.
Serbian politicians need to stop telling lies to its people, because they are the only ones served with them. No one else believes the untrue stories coming fro mSerbian politicians any more.
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"Monastery decision will not improve security"
NOBODY is aiming at improving security, BUT to resume on the same level of security as it is at the moment. Period.
There is no need to invest further on security, it is already very secure.
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Arton: "The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance."
Even if Kosovo was truly independent, you can't 'inherit' churches and monasteries. They belong to the church of a specific nationality/ denomination.
You (as in any group) can take land, take money, even take lives, but nobody can steal history, heritage or spirit.
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Even if Kosovo was truly independent, you can't 'inherit' churches and monasteries. They belong to the church of a specific nationality/ denomination.
You (as in any group) can take land, take money, even take lives, but nobody can steal history, heritage or spirit.
(kate, 6 August 2010 12:59)
I do not agree with you on this why?
In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy.
In South America there are many many churches built by Spanish but today i dont see Spain saying oh these are ours any longer.
World goes like this the territory of Kosovo has gone back and forth through history and the reality is like this Unless they pick it up and move it to Serbia this is Part of Kosovo.
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ARTON
The Church is named the "Serbian Orthodox Church"
and therefore belongs to the Serbian peoples, including the 8 million living in Serbia proper.
Maybe you were mistaken, in that your Kosovar church is down in Albania.
If it weren't for the current security, this church would have been a pile of rubble, demolished by the Kosovars.
By the way a Serb would never call himself a Kosovar.
Otherwise, the church would be called
"The Kosovarian Orthodox Church"
LMAO!
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Ivanovic said it was OK for KPS to take over these objects security. I hope not but I think a deal was made by Tadic and Ivanovic with Thaqi. Funny!
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Nice one Arton. I don't think even PRN has dared to say the monasteries aren't Serbian before.
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"The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police. "
Kosovar monestaries? "Our cultural heritage? What a joke. Who has it been who looted and destroyed a lot of this "cultural heritage" in 2004? The little green men from mars?
And the words "Best" and "Kosovo police" in one sentence is an oxymoron in itself - we all know how successful they have been protecting Serbian returnees against the mob which was throwing stones.
Let's hope there will be no more destruction following, when KFOR will stop protecting the monastaries and monks living there.
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Are you on crack, Arton, or are you just trying to tell a lie? Serbian, not Albanian monasteries, have been destroyed by Albanian mobs since 1999, and continue to be in danger of destruction to this day. That is why they need to be guarded from hostile Albanians. The people that fly into Pristina's little airport are Albanians mostly, so obviously they need no protection - but what does the airport have to do with the safety of Serbian monasteries? If one more brick is touched on a Serbian monastery in KiM, the Serbian army, along with the Russian crises center response teams in Nis, should immediately rush into KiM and protect the Serbian heritage. Albanians want an ethnically pure Kosovo, they have demonstrated that by their actions, and will stop at nothing to achieve that goal, so the Serbian monasteries must be protected 24/7.
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But am i wrong or yesterday everybody in Serbia's governament were happy !!??
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Bilbao: "In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy."
They are ruins, and the territory legally belongs to Croatia.
In this case, the territory still legally belongs to Serbia (despite all the wishful thinking). The Church still legally owns its buildings and land.
Besides which, in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
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Take this in stride. This is coming from Bogdanovic who tends to make everything seem far worse than it really is.
Gracanica is populated by 10,000 Serbs. The monastery is said to be guarded by KPS comprised mainly of Serbs. If there's one or two token Albanians thrown in there for the sake of multiethnic symbolism, they can avail themselves to an excellent kafana just northeast of the church. Next to "guarding" the "border" with the rest of Serbia in Leposavic, guarding Gracanica has to be one of the cushiest jobs in Kosovo.
For those who somehow think this is a definitive "victory" for Pristina, please remember that last year during KEK's move to cut power, most if not all of Gracanica bought power generators. This area is somewhat different from northern Kosovo in that it has largely become self-reliant instead of immediately looking to Belgrade. I really doubt most Gracanica Serbs will be that pissed that 1 or 2 out of the 5 or 6 guards might be Albanian.
And the minute Pristina attempts another stupid move, I daresay the KPS Serbs will follow any marching orders.
"In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy." (Bilbao"
-- True, but we still call them Roman. Not Croatian. So no matter where the churches lie, they're still "Serbian".
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The move is as appropriate as it could be. It is a symbolic move brought at the right time and space. Mr. Bogdanovic is aware that neither 2 or 3 soldiers nor a battalion is able to protect any of religious places; it is Albanians who don’t bother of their presence. Mr. Bogdanovic complaints about the decision made without Belgrade’s content! Unfortunately, he fails to address the issue; such situation is a product of exactly Serb weird politics. As of Prishtina’s unilateral moves, let’s recall a fact; Kosova Albanians were compelled to move unilaterally, having no other alternatives after disbanded by all human, citizen and political rights by the Serbian regime.
Nevertheless, Mr. Bogdanovic is exactly a shining example of a kind that ‘contributed’ to this disaster. However what is worrying in here, I would say is behavior of the Serbian Orthodox Church! In fact mission of any religious branch is supposed to move away barriers among people (as it is ordered by God), but in this case and many cases before the for sake of daily politics S.O.CH. did nothing but introduced a stricter regimes toward visitors, and by putting in place "new walls, and barbed wire"!!!
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The safety of the Kosovar monateries (not Serbian as Serbian politicians name them) is in Kosovo's interest as they represent our cultural inheritance, and thus will be guarded to the best by the Kosovar police.
(Arton, 6 August 2010 10:18)
GUARDED FROM WHOM EXACTLY??
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Our visitor Arton has set another low today with his comment that is the direct result of ignorance and a lack of basic history education that apparently has been neglected for many generations. Arton, I hope you are aware that your thinking can be considered cultural genocide and history falsification. The Serbian history, culture, and spirit will always be a part of Kosovo and as long as the Kosovo Albanian thugs and their Western masters temporarily control Kosovo it will be a cursed place, unfortunately also for the remaining Serbs. The religious cultural herritage of the Kosovo Albanians are and will be the mosques that have been and are being built with money from autocratic Muslim regimes like Saudi Arabia.
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You are wrong, Bilbao. How can a Roman ruin ever belong to Croatia? It can be on present day Croatian soil, but a Roman ruin can never the Croatian. The same way, a Spanish church in South America will always be a Spanish church in S.A., it can be on S.A. soil, but it will always be a Spanish church. A good example in Croatia would be Jasenovac, regardless of whatever soil it may rest on in the future, it will always belong to Croatia. You cannot rewrite history, because of border changes. Anyway, why are some Kosovars attempting to claim Serbian churches in KiM, as belongong to Albanians? I do not follow that, unless they are trying to eliminate anything that symbolizes Serbia and its people from KiM.
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For those who somehow think this is a definitive "victory" for Pristina, please remember that last year during KEK's move to cut power, most if not all of Gracanica bought power generators. This area is somewhat different from northern Kosovo in that it has largely become self-reliant instead of immediately looking to Belgrade. I really doubt most Gracanica Serbs will be that pissed that 1 or 2 out of the 5 or 6 guards might be Albanian.
(Mike, 6 August 2010 17:51
Which goes to prove that the electricity cuts were appropriate, if they could afford to buy generators and diesel to run them then they had no problems in paying their electric bills but only wanted a free ride.
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Bilbao: "In Croatia you can see in Pula Roman Ruins but today they belong to Croatia not Italy."
They are ruins, and the territory legally belongs to Croatia.
In this case, the territory still legally belongs to Serbia (despite all the wishful thinking). The Church still legally owns its buildings and land.
Besides which, in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
(kate, 6 August 2010 15:25)
You are right its like owning land (in Kosovo or UK) if you bought it its yours right but that church is still in UK.
The seat of Orthodox church is in Turkey and lets say that Greece has no chance in life to ever get it back, sure rule#1 no more priests from outside Turkey needs to be Turkish.( i dont agree with it) but you see you can pu thinks in place that there will be no one to take care of it the big school for priests in turkey is closed now no one to attend in 20years no one will be able to preach church is gone.
pre 13 godina
You do pick and choose which ones suit you and which ones don't.
Did you forget to read this part?
Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
Military and police means armed. Which military do you know of doesn't carry arms?
(Peggy, 8 August 2010 02:36)
Peggy
Let me tell you. Per your comment based on resolution:
"Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo"
Will be permitted means that permission has to be obtained.
It would be completely different had the resoultion said: "is permitted"
pre 13 godina
Will be permitted sounds like a definite to me.
Now if it said might, then I would say the permission is not certain but a word like will sounds pretty certain to me.
Again, I was stating that it was military personnel in response to another poster who suggested that they would not be allowed to be armed.
Please respond to what I actually was responding to instead of having a play on words.
(Peggy, 8 August 2010 22:35)
Peggy
It's not my intention to have a play on words. "Will be permitted" means something that will happen in the future and permission has to be obtained from KFOR as the only approved military force in Kosovo according to 1244. KFOR will evaluates the situation and then decides whether to issue the permission or not. KFOR has considered this point and concluded that 999 maximum of that lightly armed personnel will need at least 5000 KFOR (5 per 1) soldiers to guarantee their security which is practicaly not feasible. KFOR is under NATO commander.
"Is permitted" means that return of that personnel at the moment resolution is effective which as you correctly read this wording is not there.
pre 13 godina
Since when is NATO a political organisation able to make these sorts of decisions?
Resolution 1244 does not give NATO the mandate to make a decision on this and so this makes NATO in clear violation of it.
I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
(Peggy, 7 August 2010 03:02)
The resolution calls for that return of personnel with the agreed number and when agreed by NATO (read Kumanovo agreement).
If never agreed never will happen.
Who gave NATO the authority? Please do not forget the Kumanovo Agreement as result of defeated Serbia.
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No Luigi you are not wrong..Yesterday that other minister, Ivanovic, said it was good to have serbs looking over the monastery. I do not think these two ministers they are uncoordinated. All it takes is a phone call before talking with the press and you agree on the line. I sense some disagreements/power struggle there between the minister for Kosovo and the other minister for Kosovo.
As for the real security situation there, if KFOR says it's safe I believe them.
Speaking about security, what happened with the investigations about that bomb that killed that doctor in N. Mitrovica? Any news yet? What about the people who shot that politician in the legs?
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in London there is a Greek Orthodox Church, but it doesn't belong to Britain - it belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church and its congregation.
(kate, 6 August 2010 15:25)
I may add that there are a number of Greek churches in North London suburbs which they also run the Greek language schools.
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Since when is NATO a political organisation able to make these sorts of decisions?
Resolution 1244 does not give NATO the mandate to make a decision on this and so this makes NATO in clear violation of it.
I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
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"I just don't understand why Serbia doesn't insist that Res 1244 is adhered to. If they did then Serbia will have the right to send in their security forces to guard these churches and monasteries.
I just don't get it.
(Peggy, 7 August 2010 03:02) "
1244 says:
'# After withdrawal, an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serbian personnel will be permitted to return to perform the following functions:
* Liaison with the international civil mission and the international security presence;
* Marking/clearing minefields;
* Maintaining a presence at Serb patrimonial sites;
* Maintaining a presence at key border crossings.'
"Agreed" means "with the permission of KFOR," which apparently they didn't get.
"Maintain a presence" does not mean "act as armed guards."
And whatever happened to clearing those minefields?
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You are right its like owning land (in Kosovo or UK) if you bought it its yours right but that church is still in UK.
The seat of Orthodox church is in Turkey and lets say that Greece has no chance in life to ever get it back, sure rule#1 no more priests from outside Turkey needs to be Turkish.( i dont agree with it) but you see you can pu thinks in place that there will be no one to take care of it the big school for priests in turkey is closed now no one to attend in 20years no one will be able to preach church is gone.
(Bilbao, 7 August 2010 09:22)
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In your perfect world.
Those churches are still Greek, Serbian, Russian or whatever. You cannot rewrite history and claim them your own. That's the point.
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"if they could afford to buy generators and diesel to run them then they had no problems in paying their electric bills but only wanted a free ride." (pss)
-- They surely could have paid. They had no problem paying bills, so the "free ride" assumption is wrong. But you're missing the important thing: they didn't *want* to pay to KEK, which was clearly being used as a political tool by Thaci. In fact the cost of a generator was twice to three times the cost of monthly bills. But why pay to a company that's run by an embezzler?
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"Maintain a presence" does not mean "act as armed guards."
And whatever happened to clearing those minefields?
(Amer, 7 August 2010 17:02)
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You do pick and choose which ones suit you and which ones don't.
Did you forget to read this part?
Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo to perform the functions in accordance with annex 2;
Military and police means armed. Which military do you know of doesn't carry arms?
pre 13 godina
Mother of God. Protect the Christians in Kosovo.
pre 13 godina
Peggy
Let me tell you. Per your comment based on resolution:
"Confirms that after the withdrawal an agreed number of Yugoslav and Serb military and police personnel will be permitted to return to Kosovo"
Will be permitted means that permission has to be obtained.
====================
Will be permitted sounds like a definite to me.
Now if it said might, then I would say the permission is not certain but a word like will sounds pretty certain to me.
Again, I was stating that it was military personnel in response to another poster who suggested that they would not be allowed to be armed.
Please respond to what I actually was responding to instead of having a play on words.
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I'm sudden, dismay and concern about KFOR transferring Serbian Orthodox Monasteries security to KPS.Only 6 short years ago KPS led the mob attack on unarmed Serbian people and started burning Serbian Orthodox Shrines in Kosovo in front of KFOR.There was a number of attacks since then too.However,just recently USA Government issued statement "
There was not a terrorist attack in Kosovo in 2009."It was a good news but hardly a dependable trend.Government of Pristina no longer is talking publicly, of totally removing Serbian people and their Shrines from Kosovo but they still harboring that desire and intent.Pristina attitude attest to that fact.Gentlemen
"VUK DLAKU MIJENJA ALI CUD NIKAD" Serbian Orthodox Church Authority should make it plain to KFOR,EU and UN by all relevant documents Serbian Orthodox Churches and Monasteries in Kosovo are in Serbia and will deal with Serbian authorities only in regard to their security needs
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Peggy
It's not my intention to have a play on words. "Will be permitted" means something that will happen in the future
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Exactly. Something that will happen in the future not something that might happen pending on approval. By saying will happen it means that it has already been pre approved.
I really don't understand how you cannot grasp this simple thing.
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