Slovakia sees "no reason for changes"

It should be fairly clear by now that "Kosova" doesn't need 50 or 60 new recognitions, it only needs 8. To get some kind of legitimacy within the EU it needs all of Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Slovakia and Romania. To get international legitimacy it only needs China, Russia and Serbia.

It is now clear that these recognitions will not come and it's time to sit at the negotiating table and work out a bright future for the region. Accept the reality and the way is clear or keep dreaming and never resolve this matter.

Reality = "Kosova" will never become independent. Serbia does not want to control ethnic Albanians and accepts self-rule. Sit down and work it out.

Dino, why so optimistic? Your Kosovo has a horrible unemployment rate. It has no economy except for criminal enterprises. It has no rule of law without the EU. It has to live off of handouts from powerful nations. It cannot compete in international sporting events and it cannot join the UN. Serbia on the other hand was just given visa liberalization. It produces some of the world's top athletes, including those winning the world water polo championships, and top notch tennis players. Serbia is moving up. Not only that, it's also dealing with its past, something that Kosovo's Albanians, Croatia, and Bosnian Muslims refuse to do. Serbia is also forging strong ties to China, Brazil, and India, the worlds next great powers. In fact, China is sadly already passing my USA in economic growth. At any rate, Serbia is on a positive trajectory that is being earned through hard work. Kosovo's positive trajectory is a false positive. One reminder, in the past the US has loved other foreign leaders only to throw them in jail later. Does Manuel Noriega ring a bell? One day your leaders may be sitting in US jails too.

Well done Slovakia. By this act you show tha you respect the integrity of e nation more than USA, Great Britan, France. Slovakia, the fact is that we all know this is not true at all.

"Reality = "Kosova" will never become independent. Serbia does not want to control ethnic Albanians and accepts self-rule. Sit down and work it out.
(Zoran, 3 August 2010 10:55)"

Reality = Albanians will never accept anything less then independence from Serbia. Sit down and work it out.

NO NO and NO.
No need at all to sit down with Serbia at all...
(dino, 3 August 2010 11:44)
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Fortunately, it's not up to you and your type who live comfortably in the West while attempting to dictate terms for ethnic Albanians who live in KiM - those that struggle with daily life and who can't find employment. This will be up to the EU/US and then the people of KiM. It will happen so watch as it unfolds before your very eyes.

You see, the status quo is unsustainable so the push for an agreement is coming. "Kosova" has made no progress in the past 30 years.

Reality = Albanians will never accept anything less then independence from Serbia. Sit down and work it out.
(nikshala, 3 August 2010 14:12)
--
We have. We are not trying to convince ethnic Albanians. We are convincing your masters. It's quite simple really. You are not going to bite the hand that feeds you, right? We've seen in the past what happens to leaders that do that.

Just understand that negotiations are good for the region. The West cannot sustain the status quo.

1. There will be no considerable recognitions. If any, than from countries you have to use a magnifier to find them on the map.

2. Serbia can't and doesn't need to do much to avoid recognition. In fact Serbian actions (ICJ) have harmed Serbias position. The ICJ ruling was not an "own goal", it was more of a penalty kick for Kosovo, but-->

3. Kosovo-leaders are completely unable. They need either US or EU or Jupiter to shoot their penalties. Kosovo has become a place steeped in organized crime, Corruption and kleptocracy with EULEX facing big problems trying to put the Leadership, Ministers and "High Representatives" in Jail (Haradinaj, Limaj, Hasim Rexhepi,...).

4.Kosovos image is no longer that of a "Newborn". It is one of a spoiled, untolerable insulting child, stealing, spitting and scratching all along.

Slovakia will not able to keep this stance forever. Just ask this question: Will it be that those 5 countries will accept reality or those 22 countries who will recind their decision. And then you will see how hopeless Serbia's cause is, especially after the defeat at the ICJ.

There is no going back to the 1999. Serbia has only the choice if it wants to be caught in the 1990s forever.
(John, 3 August 2010 16:07)

Or what? Which kind of 'reality' would you prefer? Germany sends in ze panzers?

You clearly don't have a clue about how Brussels works (or doesn't as is quite often the case). It can maintain non-satisfying solutions for decades.

What are you so bitter about? If Serbia is so irrelevant, if these 5 states are so irrelevant to greater albania then why come to a serb news site to spout rambling bitterness and throw your toys out of the pram?

"Reality = "Kosova" will never become independent. Serbia does not want to control ethnic Albanians and accepts self-rule. Sit down and work it out.
(Zoran"

NO NO and NO.
No need at all to sit down with Serbia at all, the only place they sit down are at the UN and other places of interest ;)
(funny that for a non UN country Kosovo has been doing the same things as Serbia at international events:)
Kosova has its good neighbors,
that is enough for the next 10 or so years till Serbia finally sinks to the bottom of infamy around the world from world court to world criminal courts.
For the last 11+ years Serbia has not gained a single thing from Kosovo. While Kosovo is only stepping up and up.

Serbs are just desperate to save some sort of face, too bad that it was their own myths that build a fake face that they never had.

Time is already telling, for the last 2 years fake Serb "western intelligence" has been fabricating story's only to be backhand slapped with reality law and common sense.

But keep up the "good" work that only serves the peace and stability of the region, which is that Serbia should never interfere in anybody elses matters.

Slovakia will not able to keep this stance forever. Just ask this question: Will it be that those 5 countries will accept reality or those 22 countries who will recind their decision. And then you will see how hopeless Serbia's cause is, especially after the defeat at the ICJ.

There is no going back to the 1999. Serbia has only the choice if it wants to be caught in the 1990s forever.

The decision regarding Kosovo's status, is not up to you, Dino. Thank God. You, and people like you, are just a bitter minority that will spend their entire lives seeking to do bad to another ethnic group, as opposed to mending differences and working towards a good future for all. Kosovo must take a path that will help all its citizens live a better life, and an Albanian UDI only guarantees that a better life will not happen. Do separatist Albanians want to live off of handouts for eternity? That is the future they face, without compromise. Although, the free lunch will end one day. I am sure there are sensible Albanian leaders that know that communication and tolerance with your neighbors is the only way out of the hole KiM is in. When the current crowd seated in Pristina, of the likes of Dino, are ousted, Kosovo will move towards a brighter, and truly multi-ethnic future.

@ Zoran, Daniel & Buducnost

I'm sorry but Dino is right no one that I know or spoke to in Kosovo just last month wants anything to do with Serbia. And it's apsolueatly not true that Kosovo lives only from the West because just the budget of 2010 was nearly 1.5 billion, the next year budget would be higher and there are lots of business going on that's why most of the Slovenias big firms are in Kosovo and others.

Sorry, Mendo, but the Albanians in Kosovo must reach and agreement with Serbia - how else will they ever advance? Serbia is the Kosovo Albanian's largest and most prosperous neighbor - do they think they can ignore them forever? Do you think that the EU may get tired of Pristina's UDI game, and force a sit-down? The EU is about team play, Mendo, not about choosing who you want to play with - otherwise, there is NO EU for Pristina.

"Reality = Albanians will never accept anything less then independence from Serbia. Sit down and work it out.
(nikshala, 3 August 2010 14:12)
--
We have. We are not trying to convince ethnic Albanians. We are convincing your masters. It's quite simple really. You are not going to bite the hand that feeds you, right? We've seen in the past what happens to leaders that do that.

Just understand that negotiations are good for the region. The West cannot sustain the status quo.
(Zoran, 3 August 2010 16:06) "

Zoran, what your comment and my comment prove is that a compromise is not possible, unless Serbia changes its stance because albanians will compromise further then Ahtisaari plan. There were years of negotations and nothing was achieved.

Even if our leaders were to compomise so that they do not bite the hand that feeds them (as you say), they will immediatly feel the bite of the people that elected them.

I know this sounds drastic but the only way Serbia can get Kosovo again is by force and by expelling all albanians because there is nothing that Serbia or international community can offer that would make us accept Serbia as out state after what happened in 1999. It might be possible in the long future when the generation that experienced the war is no longer.

The only open issue as far as I am concerned is the 'north' of Kosovo, which is outwith the control of Prishtina. I do not know whats going to happen there and there might be a possibilty of compromise in that area but thats about it.

Yes, Serbia can continue its political battle and this will no doubt cause many difficulties, delays in recognitions, slow economic progress, slow the building of state institutions etc etc...but that will never change our minds regarding independence.

Autonomy is simply too little too late.

Rightly or wrongly, those are the facts on the ground, and I'd be interested to know how you think that could change.

Slovakia's only concern is only its Hungarian minority and nothing to do about international law. But they must not be worried as Slovakia and Hungary are both in EU and any issue can be solved according to EU standards. I am not aware of any recent war in Slovakia or ethnic cleansing. Let me know if anyone here is more knowledgeble)))

Peggy,

I would respond to your comment in detail but it would be pointless because if your really believe that albanians started to flee because of NATO bombs then any further comment directed at you would be a serious waste of time.

Albanians will force Slovakia to recognise Kosova, we just boycott Mercator, rubbish Slovakia banks, ect.

I am not aware of any recent war in Slovakia or ethnic cleansing. Let me know if anyone here is more knowledgeble)))
(EA, 3 August 2010 16:40)
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The only ethnic cleansing I am aware of in Kosovo is against the Serbs. You guys started ethnic cleansing.
When NATO started bombing is when majority of people started to flee.
Besides if you were ethnically cleansed, how come there is a greater percentage of you there now than before the war and how come there is even less Serbs, Roma and other minorities there now?
Who got ethnically cleansed then?

that's why most of the Slovenias big firms are in Kosovo and others.
(Mendo, 3 August 2010 15:30)
======================
OK, name some.

Nikshala,

"I know this sounds drastic but the only way Serbia can get Kosovo again is by force and by expelling all albanians because there is nothing that Serbia or international community can offer that would make us accept Serbia as out state after what happened in 1999. It might be possible in the long future when the generation that experienced the war is no longer."
===================
When are you going to use 1999 as an excuse? You know very well that your lot has been provoking and causing unrest in Kosovo for decaes and then stepped up efforts in the 90s.
Displaced and killed were mainly due to NATO bombing and that is also known. "Racak massacre" is only propaganda.
Sure, there were many killed but there we many Serbs killed as well.
Some Albanians were also killed by their own so don't try to chalk up all the killings to the Serbs. NATO has to share some responsibility here. Remember the convoy which NATO bombed in error?

Now both sides have grievences to just stop acting like children and sit down and negotiate. You were not the only victims then.

Don't even get me started on what happened after 1999 when the Serbs became targets and even their cemeteries copped it.

@nikshala: you don´t have to go into the details of Peggy´s comment, because that ipinion posted by her, which you say is not worth being commented, is just the opinion of many military experts and even a lot of civilian observers of the ´99 events.
so, the fact that the K-albanians started fleeing AFTER the NATO-bombing started, is a fact that nobody even tries to deny.

exept you.


you will have your reasons for that, but, who cares actually.

the bottomline of this article above is: just another EU-state ( a real state, compared to your toy-state of temporary nature ) has made it quite clear:

no recognition of the stillborn freak-creation on southern serbian territory.

or in other words: KiM is Serbia.

hope you got the message...but very likely, you will just go on deceiving yourself with fabricated illusions like being a descendant of the illyrians or that the ICJ legalized your cheap attempt to act as being a state...

"Reality = "Kosova" will never become independent. Serbia does not want to control ethnic Albanians and accepts self-rule. Sit down and work it out.
(Zoran"

NO NO and NO.
No need at all to sit down with Serbia at all, the only place they sit down are at the UN and other places of interest ;)
(funny that for a non UN country Kosovo has been doing the same things as Serbia at international events:)
Kosova has its good neighbors,
that is enough for the next 10 or so years till Serbia finally sinks to the bottom of infamy around the world from world court to world criminal courts.
For the last 11+ years Serbia has not gained a single thing from Kosovo. While Kosovo is only stepping up and up.

Serbs are just desperate to save some sort of face, too bad that it was their own myths that build a fake face that they never had.

Time is already telling, for the last 2 years fake Serb "western intelligence" has been fabricating story's only to be backhand slapped with reality law and common sense.

But keep up the "good" work that only serves the peace and stability of the region, which is that Serbia should never interfere in anybody elses matters.

Slovakia will not able to keep this stance forever. Just ask this question: Will it be that those 5 countries will accept reality or those 22 countries who will recind their decision. And then you will see how hopeless Serbia's cause is, especially after the defeat at the ICJ.

There is no going back to the 1999. Serbia has only the choice if it wants to be caught in the 1990s forever.

Slovakia's only concern is only its Hungarian minority and nothing to do about international law. But they must not be worried as Slovakia and Hungary are both in EU and any issue can be solved according to EU standards. I am not aware of any recent war in Slovakia or ethnic cleansing. Let me know if anyone here is more knowledgeble)))

"Reality = "Kosova" will never become independent. Serbia does not want to control ethnic Albanians and accepts self-rule. Sit down and work it out.
(Zoran, 3 August 2010 10:55)"

Reality = Albanians will never accept anything less then independence from Serbia. Sit down and work it out.

@ Zoran, Daniel & Buducnost

I'm sorry but Dino is right no one that I know or spoke to in Kosovo just last month wants anything to do with Serbia. And it's apsolueatly not true that Kosovo lives only from the West because just the budget of 2010 was nearly 1.5 billion, the next year budget would be higher and there are lots of business going on that's why most of the Slovenias big firms are in Kosovo and others.

"Reality = Albanians will never accept anything less then independence from Serbia. Sit down and work it out.
(nikshala, 3 August 2010 14:12)
--
We have. We are not trying to convince ethnic Albanians. We are convincing your masters. It's quite simple really. You are not going to bite the hand that feeds you, right? We've seen in the past what happens to leaders that do that.

Just understand that negotiations are good for the region. The West cannot sustain the status quo.
(Zoran, 3 August 2010 16:06) "

Zoran, what your comment and my comment prove is that a compromise is not possible, unless Serbia changes its stance because albanians will compromise further then Ahtisaari plan. There were years of negotations and nothing was achieved.

Even if our leaders were to compomise so that they do not bite the hand that feeds them (as you say), they will immediatly feel the bite of the people that elected them.

I know this sounds drastic but the only way Serbia can get Kosovo again is by force and by expelling all albanians because there is nothing that Serbia or international community can offer that would make us accept Serbia as out state after what happened in 1999. It might be possible in the long future when the generation that experienced the war is no longer.

The only open issue as far as I am concerned is the 'north' of Kosovo, which is outwith the control of Prishtina. I do not know whats going to happen there and there might be a possibilty of compromise in that area but thats about it.

Yes, Serbia can continue its political battle and this will no doubt cause many difficulties, delays in recognitions, slow economic progress, slow the building of state institutions etc etc...but that will never change our minds regarding independence.

Autonomy is simply too little too late.

Rightly or wrongly, those are the facts on the ground, and I'd be interested to know how you think that could change.

The decision regarding Kosovo's status, is not up to you, Dino. Thank God. You, and people like you, are just a bitter minority that will spend their entire lives seeking to do bad to another ethnic group, as opposed to mending differences and working towards a good future for all. Kosovo must take a path that will help all its citizens live a better life, and an Albanian UDI only guarantees that a better life will not happen. Do separatist Albanians want to live off of handouts for eternity? That is the future they face, without compromise. Although, the free lunch will end one day. I am sure there are sensible Albanian leaders that know that communication and tolerance with your neighbors is the only way out of the hole KiM is in. When the current crowd seated in Pristina, of the likes of Dino, are ousted, Kosovo will move towards a brighter, and truly multi-ethnic future.

It should be fairly clear by now that "Kosova" doesn't need 50 or 60 new recognitions, it only needs 8. To get some kind of legitimacy within the EU it needs all of Greece, Spain, Cyprus, Slovakia and Romania. To get international legitimacy it only needs China, Russia and Serbia.

It is now clear that these recognitions will not come and it's time to sit at the negotiating table and work out a bright future for the region. Accept the reality and the way is clear or keep dreaming and never resolve this matter.

Reality = "Kosova" will never become independent. Serbia does not want to control ethnic Albanians and accepts self-rule. Sit down and work it out.

NO NO and NO.
No need at all to sit down with Serbia at all...
(dino, 3 August 2010 11:44)
--
Fortunately, it's not up to you and your type who live comfortably in the West while attempting to dictate terms for ethnic Albanians who live in KiM - those that struggle with daily life and who can't find employment. This will be up to the EU/US and then the people of KiM. It will happen so watch as it unfolds before your very eyes.

You see, the status quo is unsustainable so the push for an agreement is coming. "Kosova" has made no progress in the past 30 years.

Dino, why so optimistic? Your Kosovo has a horrible unemployment rate. It has no economy except for criminal enterprises. It has no rule of law without the EU. It has to live off of handouts from powerful nations. It cannot compete in international sporting events and it cannot join the UN. Serbia on the other hand was just given visa liberalization. It produces some of the world's top athletes, including those winning the world water polo championships, and top notch tennis players. Serbia is moving up. Not only that, it's also dealing with its past, something that Kosovo's Albanians, Croatia, and Bosnian Muslims refuse to do. Serbia is also forging strong ties to China, Brazil, and India, the worlds next great powers. In fact, China is sadly already passing my USA in economic growth. At any rate, Serbia is on a positive trajectory that is being earned through hard work. Kosovo's positive trajectory is a false positive. One reminder, in the past the US has loved other foreign leaders only to throw them in jail later. Does Manuel Noriega ring a bell? One day your leaders may be sitting in US jails too.

Slovakia will not able to keep this stance forever. Just ask this question: Will it be that those 5 countries will accept reality or those 22 countries who will recind their decision. And then you will see how hopeless Serbia's cause is, especially after the defeat at the ICJ.

There is no going back to the 1999. Serbia has only the choice if it wants to be caught in the 1990s forever.
(John, 3 August 2010 16:07)

Or what? Which kind of 'reality' would you prefer? Germany sends in ze panzers?

You clearly don't have a clue about how Brussels works (or doesn't as is quite often the case). It can maintain non-satisfying solutions for decades.

What are you so bitter about? If Serbia is so irrelevant, if these 5 states are so irrelevant to greater albania then why come to a serb news site to spout rambling bitterness and throw your toys out of the pram?

Reality = Albanians will never accept anything less then independence from Serbia. Sit down and work it out.
(nikshala, 3 August 2010 14:12)
--
We have. We are not trying to convince ethnic Albanians. We are convincing your masters. It's quite simple really. You are not going to bite the hand that feeds you, right? We've seen in the past what happens to leaders that do that.

Just understand that negotiations are good for the region. The West cannot sustain the status quo.

1. There will be no considerable recognitions. If any, than from countries you have to use a magnifier to find them on the map.

2. Serbia can't and doesn't need to do much to avoid recognition. In fact Serbian actions (ICJ) have harmed Serbias position. The ICJ ruling was not an "own goal", it was more of a penalty kick for Kosovo, but-->

3. Kosovo-leaders are completely unable. They need either US or EU or Jupiter to shoot their penalties. Kosovo has become a place steeped in organized crime, Corruption and kleptocracy with EULEX facing big problems trying to put the Leadership, Ministers and "High Representatives" in Jail (Haradinaj, Limaj, Hasim Rexhepi,...).

4.Kosovos image is no longer that of a "Newborn". It is one of a spoiled, untolerable insulting child, stealing, spitting and scratching all along.

I am not aware of any recent war in Slovakia or ethnic cleansing. Let me know if anyone here is more knowledgeble)))
(EA, 3 August 2010 16:40)
====================
The only ethnic cleansing I am aware of in Kosovo is against the Serbs. You guys started ethnic cleansing.
When NATO started bombing is when majority of people started to flee.
Besides if you were ethnically cleansed, how come there is a greater percentage of you there now than before the war and how come there is even less Serbs, Roma and other minorities there now?
Who got ethnically cleansed then?

Sorry, Mendo, but the Albanians in Kosovo must reach and agreement with Serbia - how else will they ever advance? Serbia is the Kosovo Albanian's largest and most prosperous neighbor - do they think they can ignore them forever? Do you think that the EU may get tired of Pristina's UDI game, and force a sit-down? The EU is about team play, Mendo, not about choosing who you want to play with - otherwise, there is NO EU for Pristina.

Nikshala,

"I know this sounds drastic but the only way Serbia can get Kosovo again is by force and by expelling all albanians because there is nothing that Serbia or international community can offer that would make us accept Serbia as out state after what happened in 1999. It might be possible in the long future when the generation that experienced the war is no longer."
===================
When are you going to use 1999 as an excuse? You know very well that your lot has been provoking and causing unrest in Kosovo for decaes and then stepped up efforts in the 90s.
Displaced and killed were mainly due to NATO bombing and that is also known. "Racak massacre" is only propaganda.
Sure, there were many killed but there we many Serbs killed as well.
Some Albanians were also killed by their own so don't try to chalk up all the killings to the Serbs. NATO has to share some responsibility here. Remember the convoy which NATO bombed in error?

Now both sides have grievences to just stop acting like children and sit down and negotiate. You were not the only victims then.

Don't even get me started on what happened after 1999 when the Serbs became targets and even their cemeteries copped it.

Well done Slovakia. By this act you show tha you respect the integrity of e nation more than USA, Great Britan, France. Slovakia, the fact is that we all know this is not true at all.

Albanians will force Slovakia to recognise Kosova, we just boycott Mercator, rubbish Slovakia banks, ect.

that's why most of the Slovenias big firms are in Kosovo and others.
(Mendo, 3 August 2010 15:30)
======================
OK, name some.

Peggy,

I would respond to your comment in detail but it would be pointless because if your really believe that albanians started to flee because of NATO bombs then any further comment directed at you would be a serious waste of time.

@nikshala: you don´t have to go into the details of Peggy´s comment, because that ipinion posted by her, which you say is not worth being commented, is just the opinion of many military experts and even a lot of civilian observers of the ´99 events.
so, the fact that the K-albanians started fleeing AFTER the NATO-bombing started, is a fact that nobody even tries to deny.

exept you.


you will have your reasons for that, but, who cares actually.

the bottomline of this article above is: just another EU-state ( a real state, compared to your toy-state of temporary nature ) has made it quite clear:

no recognition of the stillborn freak-creation on southern serbian territory.

or in other words: KiM is Serbia.

hope you got the message...but very likely, you will just go on deceiving yourself with fabricated illusions like being a descendant of the illyrians or that the ICJ legalized your cheap attempt to act as being a state...