FM holds meetings on Kosovo in New York

I have been reading that the US, Germany and the UK are very, very perturbed, to say the least, at Vuk right now because he keeps pushing this thing. The reason for their hostility, is because they don't want their dispicable double standards exposed, which is what is going to happen.
You see, the ICJ opinion was a joke, and those judges were heavily influenced to vote as the imperialists wished. The ICJ, just like the Hague Tribunal, are both anti-Serb political courts which have nothing to do with law. By pushing this thing further, Vuk is forcing these people to tell the world whether it's ok to unilaterally secede. If it is, then Republika Srpska and northern Kosovo joins Serbia, and a pandora's box is opened - and THAT is what they are really afraid of.
The imperialists want to keep the illusion alive that they are fair, just, and care about the 'little guy', and this whole fiasco has really exposed them to the world as to what they really are - which is corrupt, immoral, brutal, dictatorial, self-serving, and psychopathic colonialists.

Most serbs and even some younger naive €U-fanatics seems to have grasped by now that Tadic main objective and prime duties to his western masters is to detach Serbia from its souther province, (currently occupied by NATO, a us military base and a criminal gang of terrorists masked as "government")And to get Serbia into NATO & €U.

The prize tag for the latter is of course to recognize the NATO land grab which ICJ gave Tadic a perfect alibi to do, hence the Belgrade puppet regime´s obsessiveness to finish their job. No matter how out-dated and soon-to-be disintegrated the €U is, it is presented as an inevitable packet of solutions to all problems Serbia has or might have. But the prize tag and the obstacles is getting higher by the day, there are serbians which NATO alledgely regards as "war criminals" and other provinses waiting to be detached and occupied before the empire is satisfyed. What Serbia will get in the end, if €U even exist by then, is a land-locked entity administered from Brussels/Washington.

Jeremic: Did UDI break internatinal law?

ICJ: No.

Jeremic: blah blah blah(spin)

When we talk of the possibility that other ‘ethnic minorities across the globe could take advantage of the opportunity to write their own declarations of independence according to the Kosovo textual template’, one should have in mind several facts.

If one ethnic group wants to declare independence claiming on the Kosovo case, then that ethnic group must have gone through same situation and steps that Kosovo people (mostly Albanians) have gone. I don’t really believe that there is any ethnic group willing to go through all the sufferings and repression that Kosovo Alb went. When I say this one should not think that I’m implying that K/Alb had planed their sufferings and repression to reach their goal, but the sufferings and exercised state repression pushed them forward and made them more determinant to reach at the current stage.
Now we have many voices linking Kosovo with Catalonia, Quebec, etc etc, and my question is: have Catalonia, Quebec, etc gone through same sufferings and repression exercised on them by their own states? My answer to that is a big NO, and thus my conclusion is that they can write their own declarations of independence but in no way according to Kosovo’s one and they will never have the same legitimacy. Plus if we add the whole process of breakup of Yugoslavia, then this whole theory of linking Kosovo with other places (such as the above) becomes really very laughable and it takes a naive mind to by it.

Anyway, good luck Mr FM, in your new adventures in trying to spin everything around, unfortunately at the expenses of your own people and their future.

Jeremic is to present"...strategy for defending the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity."

I must say this is getting EXTREMELY boring now even more so after the ICJ ruling.

We didn't need the ICJ ruling we all knew that it was legal, and I have been advocating this for a long time, so the unnecessary ryuling just CONFIRMED/SEALED what should been acknowledged by other UN memebers for a long time.

Nevertheless, leave Vuk to continue his work.

Zoran, I really don’t want to go into a ‘ping-pong game’ of words with you, but your comment really has nothing to do with what I’ve said. Who is the world to you? Serbia?!! If so, then I really don’t expect much from the ‘world’.

Albanians had a homeland way before Slavic tribes moved to Balkans, and that homeland included Kosovo too. So, to me the attempted illegal land-grabbers were those same tribes. I’d prefer you read a book written by a Montenegrin, Mr. Tomasevic, called “Life and Death in the Balkans”, it will give you a better insight of what I’m saying.

Patrik, I did not comment anything on the ICJ decision, but rather on the Serbia’s FM comments and his “fight” on something that has nothing to do with the reality, and there is absolutely no need for me to rewrite the ICJ decision, since first of all I’m no ICJ Judge and second it suits my purposes perfectly as it stands and in no way I could have written it better myself.

Can anyone of you tell us all in here, do you really believe that Serbia will achieve anything with its resolution? Does Serbia really have a plan to integrate the 2 Mil Kosovo inhabitants in its society and state structures (Government, military, police, schools, hospitals, etc etc) when it calls for negotiations? Then do these 2 Mil inhabitants of Kosovo want to go back under a state that killed ‘its’ citizens (children, elderly, women) while claiming that they were fighting terrorism? Who can guarantee them that it won’t happen again? Is it Russia, China??

There are allegedly ETA terrorists in Spain and France and other terrorists in other countries, but I’ve never seen or heard that those countries went on and burning villages, towns and killing children, elderly while fighting terrorism.

There is no turning back guys, and this has been made clear by the ICJ.

To the first few individuals posting and basing Vuk, here's a heart warming message. You can declare independence but it doesn't mean others have to support it. Even when the US declared independence a huge fight followed. Declaring independence is one thing, true independence is a whole other matter. With only 69 recognitions so far, you still have a long way to go. Even if you get more recognitions, without Russia and China on your side, it will be impossible to get into the UN. Most important, without Serbia endorsing your independence, you are in deep water. Kosovo will remain a poor territory dependent on foreign financial support. With the West's economic power shrinking and China's power increasing, you'd better find a way to appease the Eastern giant before your people starve.

The ICJ decision is the best argument Kosovo has for the UN GA to reject the Serb resolution.

Anything but the approval of Serbia's resolution is a loss for Serbia.

This is the endgame for Serbia so far as the 'status' of Kosovo is concerned.

If the UN GA approves Serbia's resolution, the Kosovar Albanians simply wont participate in any negociations on status. We will just wait for 30-40 years and get 1 recognition per year until we have enough to apply for UN membership and in the meantime Serbia will never join the EU because of problems with Kosovo.

BUT, if Kosovo wins (which is very likely btw) and the resolution is rejected or a new resolution calling for practical talks is adopted then Kosovo wins and its over for Serbia (except for the north of course, where Serbia will almost certainly cause trouble should it lose at the UN GA).

Why is B92 reproducing a government minister's speech in another publication?

What is the editorial justification for this?

Isn't B92 an independent media outlet, not part of the Wall Street Journal or Vuk Jeremic's public relations machine?

What the US doesnt seem to get, still, is the importance of Kosovo to Serbia. They obviously have nothing to compare it with. Maybe the Alamo or something. Reality dictates things will never go back to how they used to be, but Serbia will never walk away from Kosovo, no matter how much money is offered.

you albanians obviously didnt read the ICJ verdict.albanians in Kosmet have the right to unilaterally declare independence.The decision says nothing about the legality of actual independence.This means that I can declare to be the worlds smartest man but it doesnt mean its neccesarily true.Kosmet is still ruled by resolution 1244 which means the security council still still rules,which means China and Russia will never agree to albanian Kosmet.God bless.

(pz, 29 July 2010 12:08)
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The world will not reward KLA terrorists and attempted illegal land-grabbing. That much is clear. You have recognitions from your land grabbing masters and the rest are generally weak island state-lets.

Albanians already have a homeland. The Kurds and Palestinians have suffered greatly and do not. They are far more deserving except their problem is that Turkey and Israel are land grabbers themselves.

Cani, why do you say Jeremic is sick? Are Kosovo Albanians any saner? Vuk is a Sebian FM, and his job is to protect the territorial integrity of the state he swore allegiance to. Why would someone be sick if they are performing their job? Do you think that Serbs, and FM Jeremic, should lay down and allow the US to give away a part of their land to KiM Albanians without a fight? I do not understand your reasoning.

Sorry but this guy is very sick. Now his actions are becoming ridicoulos... But let's see what will happen.

It's a free country, George, you don't have to read Vuk's speech. The story, including his speech, is pertinent to his address at the UN. You must agree on that. If B92 bothers you in the way it presents its stories, move on, pal. I think B92 is the best, do you have any Albanian language publication that can come close? I support B92 and I support the Vuk. Democracy and freedom on display.

I am looking forward to a raucous debate on the GA floor where the us, uk, germany, and france are 4 out of 192 countries; most of which have axes to grind against them.

"If one ethnic group wants to declare independence claiming on the Kosovo case, then that ethnic group must have gone through same situation and steps that Kosovo people (mostly Albanians) have gone...."

I don't believe that appears in any decision by anybody. The ICJ simply said "we have no law on the books against it, therefor we can't say that it is illegal".

Seems everybody wants to rewrite the decision to suit their own purposes. If I were the ICJ, I would be plugging that damn hole quick before someone else takes advantage of it.

"The forthcoming debate will therefore focus on the consequences and implications of Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence in light of the court's findings."

In the light of the court's finding and wording, I would say that an UDI has no implications and consequences at all - every group of people is allowed to declare themselves independent, and Kosovo is NO special case, and no precedent.

I am surprised by the pro-albanian commenters here who still seem unable to grasp what the ICJ opinion said let alone this text by Jeremic (apart from those who don't care what the ICJ says anyway).

Here's a link to why the ICJ verdict sucks all around that is not written by a Serb or pro-serb and is hosted on an official balkans propaganda site, Balkan Insite:

Kosovo Ruling Reveals World Court’s Darker Side

28 July 2010 | By Matthew Parish

BTW, the guy used to work for the OHR in Bosnia...

Really, what is so difficult to understand? The good news is that if the pro-albanian crowd weren't worried about this, they wouldn't be squealing about it so much. That if anything is an endorsement!

Serbia is politically so weak that this atempt looks like an historical mistake.

IJC is favourable to the Kosovo independence. UN will probaly follow this opinion...Not because it's right but because the USA have the situation in control.

It would be much wiser to let the situation as it is and wait for a beter geopolitical moment to clame serbia's rights. Serbia is so weak that it can only go stronger, so why deal with this issue now?

This stupid choice is due to to the Tadic's belief that serbia must go into europ at any price. He thinks that by giving them kosovo he will get serbia into EU. But recent events show that there will allwas be someone to block serbias progress towards EU (Holland for mladic, Croatia because of the genocide accusation issue...). At the end of the day Serbia will go in to EU at the same pace no matter the kosovo problem outcome.

There is no hurry on the kosovo question. But there is a hurry on the economic developement of serbia, birth rate, employement, EU integration....there are so many other issues to be solved and that serbia can tackle with alone. Let the kosovo be (a non-state) until we wil be able to defend serbia's rights.

Vuk made 250 trips to different countries around the world in less than a year; with your money, Serbian people money. And what did he achieve? Was not the Albanians who asked for an opinion, it was Vuk’s idea. You don’t like the outcome of the verdict and I understand that, but please see things for what they are. It is a lost cause. Kosovo will never again be ruled by Serbia.It is over. It was over in 1999 when NATO bombarded the Serbian army. It was over when Milosevic abolished Kosovo’s autonomy. Why would Albanians agree to stay under Serbia’s rule when they already have a country recognized by 69 countries(among them the most powerful)?Why when ICJ gave a favorable opinion for them?

There are allegedly ETA terrorists in Spain and France and other terrorists in other countries, but I’ve never seen or heard that those countries went on and burning villages, towns and killing children, elderly while fighting terrorism.


(pz, 29 July 2010 17:24)

- Hi pz, that's exactly what hapened in Northern Ireland. The British fighting terrorism in the form of the IRA murdered innocent people, tortured at will and imprisioned thousands others without trial yet we hear nobody calling for the British to give up Northern Ireland. Croatia did the same thing during Operation Storm yet we dont hear the US calling for Zagreb to hand Krajina back to the Serbs, Spain to grant independence to the Basques.

In Kosovo yes human rights abuses did happen but they happened on all sides. The KLA did not exactly cover themselves in glory by ethnically cleansing Kosovo of 200,000 non Albanians.

The only way forward is for both sides to sit down and work out a compromise. The urrent arrangement of one side keeping all and the other geting nothing will yield nothing only deadlock and the real chace of trouble and instability further down the line.


There is no turning back guys, and this has been made clear by the ICJ.
(pz, 29 July 2010 17:24)

- Serbia has had 15% of its territory illegally wrenched from it and telling Belgrade to give up and move on simply doesn't cut it anymore. Sit down and talk.

Olf, why do you refer to the serbian government as a regime? Who are they reigning over? Are you just trying to be condescending and offensive? There really is no need for that - we can discuss issues without being petty. Please don't be anymore in the future, if you are to be taken seriously. Anyway, no Vuk is not KiM Albanians FM. As you probably know, Serbia has not ruled the majority of Kosovo for years now. Serbia is just fighting for its land, that's all. Can you blame them for that. Milosevic years are gone, that is an ugly history of the former Yugoslavia. Serbia today is a democratic nation, trying hard to become a modern 21st century nation in the model of other European states. It has had a lot to overcome, but it has survived, and is prospering. It is moving closer and closer towards the ethics of the EU. But if it (Serbia) is to really adhere to the ethics of the EU, then the EU must respect territorial integrity of sovereign nations. That is one of the building blocks that keeps it solid. Like I said, Milosevic era is long gone, today's Serbia has little to do with those days. The EU/US must stop behaving like Slobodan is still at the helm in Belgrade. Belgrade is no longer the bad guy, the west needs to find another evil to point their fingers at. That is the only way they can function unfortunately. There has to be a good guy and bad guy, otherwise western policy makes no sense. To themselves, or what they attempt to project to others. Anyway, lighten up, you'll live longer. The Albanians, or anyone, are not worth it.

karlsdad
According to you and to Serbian supporters regime, Jeremic is FM of Serbia and KiM is still Serbia, does this mean that Jeremic is FM of K-Albanians too.

"does this mean that Jeremic is FM of K-Albanians too."
(Olf)

-- Just for the sake of being funny, even if I were a K-Albanian I'd have to admit he's done more for me and my cause than anything Hysterical Skender could ever possibly do on his own.

Mr Jeremic, you asked for the opinion of the ICJ and the ICJ gave it's opionion. Respect it. Sign the divorce from Kosovo.

How quickly the poodle jumps back into the lap of its master.

Albanian neighbors, please relax, have a smoke, and open your minds. There is plenty of room for many people in Kosovo, not just Albanians. Or, do Albanians just want their own kind living there. I get the feeling they do not want anyone but their own kind there. Am I wrong?

Nobody wants to incorporate 2 million Albanians into anything. Stay where, and who you are. Jesus, why can't you understand that Kosovo is not Albanians land. It has historically been inhabited by many tribes, empires, nations, etc. Why do you Albanians think you have a God-given right to land? It is God's land, not some people's. Kosovo was never a country, never. So, one day if Serbian backers, Russia and China, come into Kosovo and forcefully occupy it, and place Serbia as the rightful owner again, is that going to be OK with Albanians? Let's get real here, many people have claim to Kosovo, not just Albanians.

"Helinski Final Act" 
Welcoming the general principles on a political solution to the Kosovo crisis adopted on 6 May 1999 and welcoming also the acceptance by the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia of the principles and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's agreement to that paper.
Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act. 
So can someone please explain to me why did ICJ rule in favor of Kosovo Independence? Isn't Helsinki Final clear? 
"territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" 
 

State of Arizona no longer wants to be part of US, they no longer agree with federal government, so they decide they wan't to be independent country. Does anyone think US would be ok with that? Or Latinos declare their own independence in state of AZ or TX, would US consider that's  legal?

No, Olf. Please stop trying to be antagonistic. Vuk is the FM of Serbia. Kosovo Albanians have their own FM, Hysdeni, sorry if I misspelled. Kosovo Albanians have all the autonomy they want, but Kosovo is not an independent Albanian country. Sovereign International borders must be respected. What everything means, is that KiM Albanians can rule themselves, please, but they cannot be an independent country. Why would they? They never were. There was never such a place as an independent Kosovo. America is sticking their fat, greedy noses in Balkan politics, but do not have a clue about historic meaning of KiM. They are there for geopolitical gain, that's all. Not for the love of Albanians. They will drop you like a bad habit one day, mark my words.

"State of Arizona no longer wants to be part of US, they no longer agree with federal government, so they decide they wan't to be independent country.
Danijela"

- When did Arizona declare that they want to secede from the US?

Where are you getting your news from?
Certainly not from a US source.

You see, the ICJ opinion was a joke, and those judges were heavily influenced to vote as the imperialists wished. The ICJ, just like the Hague Tribunal, are both anti-Serb political courts which have nothing to do with law.
(Dragan, 29 July 2010 14:50)

Dragan, you must be joking.

You obviously have no idea who (for example) Tomka, Al-Khasawneh, Buergenthal or Simma are in the area of international law to say that they were influenced by imperialists.

Just a hint for you: these were not judges in a court “of law” in Moskow or Beijing.

The ICJ simply said "we have no law on the books against it, therefor we can't say that it is illegal".
Seems everybody wants to rewrite the decision to suit their own purposes. If I were the ICJ, I would be plugging that damn hole quick before someone else takes advantage of it.
(Patrik, 29 July 2010 15:45)

There is no hole to plug, because no hole was opened in the first place.

The ICJ did not say, what you said. The ICJ said that, I quote, “the declaration of independence of Kosovo adopted on 17 February 2008 did not violate international law” (see par. 123 of the Opinion).

So it is about the declaration of independence of a specific entity (Kosovo) declared on a specific date (17/2/2008). Not sure where you found the hole.

(pz, 29 July 2010 12:08)
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The world will not reward KLA terrorists and attempted illegal land-grabbing. That much is clear. You have recognitions from your land grabbing masters and the rest are generally weak island state-lets.

Albanians already have a homeland. The Kurds and Palestinians have suffered greatly and do not. They are far more deserving except their problem is that Turkey and Israel are land grabbers themselves.

The ICJ decision is the best argument Kosovo has for the UN GA to reject the Serb resolution.

Anything but the approval of Serbia's resolution is a loss for Serbia.

This is the endgame for Serbia so far as the 'status' of Kosovo is concerned.

If the UN GA approves Serbia's resolution, the Kosovar Albanians simply wont participate in any negociations on status. We will just wait for 30-40 years and get 1 recognition per year until we have enough to apply for UN membership and in the meantime Serbia will never join the EU because of problems with Kosovo.

BUT, if Kosovo wins (which is very likely btw) and the resolution is rejected or a new resolution calling for practical talks is adopted then Kosovo wins and its over for Serbia (except for the north of course, where Serbia will almost certainly cause trouble should it lose at the UN GA).

Jeremic: Did UDI break internatinal law?

ICJ: No.

Jeremic: blah blah blah(spin)

Jeremic is to present"...strategy for defending the country's sovereignty and territorial integrity."

I must say this is getting EXTREMELY boring now even more so after the ICJ ruling.

We didn't need the ICJ ruling we all knew that it was legal, and I have been advocating this for a long time, so the unnecessary ryuling just CONFIRMED/SEALED what should been acknowledged by other UN memebers for a long time.

Nevertheless, leave Vuk to continue his work.

Serbia is politically so weak that this atempt looks like an historical mistake.

IJC is favourable to the Kosovo independence. UN will probaly follow this opinion...Not because it's right but because the USA have the situation in control.

It would be much wiser to let the situation as it is and wait for a beter geopolitical moment to clame serbia's rights. Serbia is so weak that it can only go stronger, so why deal with this issue now?

This stupid choice is due to to the Tadic's belief that serbia must go into europ at any price. He thinks that by giving them kosovo he will get serbia into EU. But recent events show that there will allwas be someone to block serbias progress towards EU (Holland for mladic, Croatia because of the genocide accusation issue...). At the end of the day Serbia will go in to EU at the same pace no matter the kosovo problem outcome.

There is no hurry on the kosovo question. But there is a hurry on the economic developement of serbia, birth rate, employement, EU integration....there are so many other issues to be solved and that serbia can tackle with alone. Let the kosovo be (a non-state) until we wil be able to defend serbia's rights.

To the first few individuals posting and basing Vuk, here's a heart warming message. You can declare independence but it doesn't mean others have to support it. Even when the US declared independence a huge fight followed. Declaring independence is one thing, true independence is a whole other matter. With only 69 recognitions so far, you still have a long way to go. Even if you get more recognitions, without Russia and China on your side, it will be impossible to get into the UN. Most important, without Serbia endorsing your independence, you are in deep water. Kosovo will remain a poor territory dependent on foreign financial support. With the West's economic power shrinking and China's power increasing, you'd better find a way to appease the Eastern giant before your people starve.

Why is B92 reproducing a government minister's speech in another publication?

What is the editorial justification for this?

Isn't B92 an independent media outlet, not part of the Wall Street Journal or Vuk Jeremic's public relations machine?

I have been reading that the US, Germany and the UK are very, very perturbed, to say the least, at Vuk right now because he keeps pushing this thing. The reason for their hostility, is because they don't want their dispicable double standards exposed, which is what is going to happen.
You see, the ICJ opinion was a joke, and those judges were heavily influenced to vote as the imperialists wished. The ICJ, just like the Hague Tribunal, are both anti-Serb political courts which have nothing to do with law. By pushing this thing further, Vuk is forcing these people to tell the world whether it's ok to unilaterally secede. If it is, then Republika Srpska and northern Kosovo joins Serbia, and a pandora's box is opened - and THAT is what they are really afraid of.
The imperialists want to keep the illusion alive that they are fair, just, and care about the 'little guy', and this whole fiasco has really exposed them to the world as to what they really are - which is corrupt, immoral, brutal, dictatorial, self-serving, and psychopathic colonialists.

Most serbs and even some younger naive €U-fanatics seems to have grasped by now that Tadic main objective and prime duties to his western masters is to detach Serbia from its souther province, (currently occupied by NATO, a us military base and a criminal gang of terrorists masked as "government")And to get Serbia into NATO & €U.

The prize tag for the latter is of course to recognize the NATO land grab which ICJ gave Tadic a perfect alibi to do, hence the Belgrade puppet regime´s obsessiveness to finish their job. No matter how out-dated and soon-to-be disintegrated the €U is, it is presented as an inevitable packet of solutions to all problems Serbia has or might have. But the prize tag and the obstacles is getting higher by the day, there are serbians which NATO alledgely regards as "war criminals" and other provinses waiting to be detached and occupied before the empire is satisfyed. What Serbia will get in the end, if €U even exist by then, is a land-locked entity administered from Brussels/Washington.

When we talk of the possibility that other ‘ethnic minorities across the globe could take advantage of the opportunity to write their own declarations of independence according to the Kosovo textual template’, one should have in mind several facts.

If one ethnic group wants to declare independence claiming on the Kosovo case, then that ethnic group must have gone through same situation and steps that Kosovo people (mostly Albanians) have gone. I don’t really believe that there is any ethnic group willing to go through all the sufferings and repression that Kosovo Alb went. When I say this one should not think that I’m implying that K/Alb had planed their sufferings and repression to reach their goal, but the sufferings and exercised state repression pushed them forward and made them more determinant to reach at the current stage.
Now we have many voices linking Kosovo with Catalonia, Quebec, etc etc, and my question is: have Catalonia, Quebec, etc gone through same sufferings and repression exercised on them by their own states? My answer to that is a big NO, and thus my conclusion is that they can write their own declarations of independence but in no way according to Kosovo’s one and they will never have the same legitimacy. Plus if we add the whole process of breakup of Yugoslavia, then this whole theory of linking Kosovo with other places (such as the above) becomes really very laughable and it takes a naive mind to by it.

Anyway, good luck Mr FM, in your new adventures in trying to spin everything around, unfortunately at the expenses of your own people and their future.

Zoran, I really don’t want to go into a ‘ping-pong game’ of words with you, but your comment really has nothing to do with what I’ve said. Who is the world to you? Serbia?!! If so, then I really don’t expect much from the ‘world’.

Albanians had a homeland way before Slavic tribes moved to Balkans, and that homeland included Kosovo too. So, to me the attempted illegal land-grabbers were those same tribes. I’d prefer you read a book written by a Montenegrin, Mr. Tomasevic, called “Life and Death in the Balkans”, it will give you a better insight of what I’m saying.

Patrik, I did not comment anything on the ICJ decision, but rather on the Serbia’s FM comments and his “fight” on something that has nothing to do with the reality, and there is absolutely no need for me to rewrite the ICJ decision, since first of all I’m no ICJ Judge and second it suits my purposes perfectly as it stands and in no way I could have written it better myself.

Can anyone of you tell us all in here, do you really believe that Serbia will achieve anything with its resolution? Does Serbia really have a plan to integrate the 2 Mil Kosovo inhabitants in its society and state structures (Government, military, police, schools, hospitals, etc etc) when it calls for negotiations? Then do these 2 Mil inhabitants of Kosovo want to go back under a state that killed ‘its’ citizens (children, elderly, women) while claiming that they were fighting terrorism? Who can guarantee them that it won’t happen again? Is it Russia, China??

There are allegedly ETA terrorists in Spain and France and other terrorists in other countries, but I’ve never seen or heard that those countries went on and burning villages, towns and killing children, elderly while fighting terrorism.

There is no turning back guys, and this has been made clear by the ICJ.

"The forthcoming debate will therefore focus on the consequences and implications of Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence in light of the court's findings."

In the light of the court's finding and wording, I would say that an UDI has no implications and consequences at all - every group of people is allowed to declare themselves independent, and Kosovo is NO special case, and no precedent.

Sorry but this guy is very sick. Now his actions are becoming ridicoulos... But let's see what will happen.

What the US doesnt seem to get, still, is the importance of Kosovo to Serbia. They obviously have nothing to compare it with. Maybe the Alamo or something. Reality dictates things will never go back to how they used to be, but Serbia will never walk away from Kosovo, no matter how much money is offered.

I am surprised by the pro-albanian commenters here who still seem unable to grasp what the ICJ opinion said let alone this text by Jeremic (apart from those who don't care what the ICJ says anyway).

Here's a link to why the ICJ verdict sucks all around that is not written by a Serb or pro-serb and is hosted on an official balkans propaganda site, Balkan Insite:

Kosovo Ruling Reveals World Court’s Darker Side

28 July 2010 | By Matthew Parish

BTW, the guy used to work for the OHR in Bosnia...

Really, what is so difficult to understand? The good news is that if the pro-albanian crowd weren't worried about this, they wouldn't be squealing about it so much. That if anything is an endorsement!

Cani, why do you say Jeremic is sick? Are Kosovo Albanians any saner? Vuk is a Sebian FM, and his job is to protect the territorial integrity of the state he swore allegiance to. Why would someone be sick if they are performing their job? Do you think that Serbs, and FM Jeremic, should lay down and allow the US to give away a part of their land to KiM Albanians without a fight? I do not understand your reasoning.

It's a free country, George, you don't have to read Vuk's speech. The story, including his speech, is pertinent to his address at the UN. You must agree on that. If B92 bothers you in the way it presents its stories, move on, pal. I think B92 is the best, do you have any Albanian language publication that can come close? I support B92 and I support the Vuk. Democracy and freedom on display.

I am looking forward to a raucous debate on the GA floor where the us, uk, germany, and france are 4 out of 192 countries; most of which have axes to grind against them.

you albanians obviously didnt read the ICJ verdict.albanians in Kosmet have the right to unilaterally declare independence.The decision says nothing about the legality of actual independence.This means that I can declare to be the worlds smartest man but it doesnt mean its neccesarily true.Kosmet is still ruled by resolution 1244 which means the security council still still rules,which means China and Russia will never agree to albanian Kosmet.God bless.

Vuk made 250 trips to different countries around the world in less than a year; with your money, Serbian people money. And what did he achieve? Was not the Albanians who asked for an opinion, it was Vuk’s idea. You don’t like the outcome of the verdict and I understand that, but please see things for what they are. It is a lost cause. Kosovo will never again be ruled by Serbia.It is over. It was over in 1999 when NATO bombarded the Serbian army. It was over when Milosevic abolished Kosovo’s autonomy. Why would Albanians agree to stay under Serbia’s rule when they already have a country recognized by 69 countries(among them the most powerful)?Why when ICJ gave a favorable opinion for them?

"If one ethnic group wants to declare independence claiming on the Kosovo case, then that ethnic group must have gone through same situation and steps that Kosovo people (mostly Albanians) have gone...."

I don't believe that appears in any decision by anybody. The ICJ simply said "we have no law on the books against it, therefor we can't say that it is illegal".

Seems everybody wants to rewrite the decision to suit their own purposes. If I were the ICJ, I would be plugging that damn hole quick before someone else takes advantage of it.

"Helinski Final Act" 
Welcoming the general principles on a political solution to the Kosovo crisis adopted on 6 May 1999 and welcoming also the acceptance by the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia of the principles and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia's agreement to that paper.
Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act. 
So can someone please explain to me why did ICJ rule in favor of Kosovo Independence? Isn't Helsinki Final clear? 
"territorial integrity of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia" 
 

State of Arizona no longer wants to be part of US, they no longer agree with federal government, so they decide they wan't to be independent country. Does anyone think US would be ok with that? Or Latinos declare their own independence in state of AZ or TX, would US consider that's  legal?

How quickly the poodle jumps back into the lap of its master.

There are allegedly ETA terrorists in Spain and France and other terrorists in other countries, but I’ve never seen or heard that those countries went on and burning villages, towns and killing children, elderly while fighting terrorism.


(pz, 29 July 2010 17:24)

- Hi pz, that's exactly what hapened in Northern Ireland. The British fighting terrorism in the form of the IRA murdered innocent people, tortured at will and imprisioned thousands others without trial yet we hear nobody calling for the British to give up Northern Ireland. Croatia did the same thing during Operation Storm yet we dont hear the US calling for Zagreb to hand Krajina back to the Serbs, Spain to grant independence to the Basques.

In Kosovo yes human rights abuses did happen but they happened on all sides. The KLA did not exactly cover themselves in glory by ethnically cleansing Kosovo of 200,000 non Albanians.

The only way forward is for both sides to sit down and work out a compromise. The urrent arrangement of one side keeping all and the other geting nothing will yield nothing only deadlock and the real chace of trouble and instability further down the line.


There is no turning back guys, and this has been made clear by the ICJ.
(pz, 29 July 2010 17:24)

- Serbia has had 15% of its territory illegally wrenched from it and telling Belgrade to give up and move on simply doesn't cut it anymore. Sit down and talk.

karlsdad
According to you and to Serbian supporters regime, Jeremic is FM of Serbia and KiM is still Serbia, does this mean that Jeremic is FM of K-Albanians too.

Nobody wants to incorporate 2 million Albanians into anything. Stay where, and who you are. Jesus, why can't you understand that Kosovo is not Albanians land. It has historically been inhabited by many tribes, empires, nations, etc. Why do you Albanians think you have a God-given right to land? It is God's land, not some people's. Kosovo was never a country, never. So, one day if Serbian backers, Russia and China, come into Kosovo and forcefully occupy it, and place Serbia as the rightful owner again, is that going to be OK with Albanians? Let's get real here, many people have claim to Kosovo, not just Albanians.

Albanian neighbors, please relax, have a smoke, and open your minds. There is plenty of room for many people in Kosovo, not just Albanians. Or, do Albanians just want their own kind living there. I get the feeling they do not want anyone but their own kind there. Am I wrong?

No, Olf. Please stop trying to be antagonistic. Vuk is the FM of Serbia. Kosovo Albanians have their own FM, Hysdeni, sorry if I misspelled. Kosovo Albanians have all the autonomy they want, but Kosovo is not an independent Albanian country. Sovereign International borders must be respected. What everything means, is that KiM Albanians can rule themselves, please, but they cannot be an independent country. Why would they? They never were. There was never such a place as an independent Kosovo. America is sticking their fat, greedy noses in Balkan politics, but do not have a clue about historic meaning of KiM. They are there for geopolitical gain, that's all. Not for the love of Albanians. They will drop you like a bad habit one day, mark my words.

"does this mean that Jeremic is FM of K-Albanians too."
(Olf)

-- Just for the sake of being funny, even if I were a K-Albanian I'd have to admit he's done more for me and my cause than anything Hysterical Skender could ever possibly do on his own.

Mr Jeremic, you asked for the opinion of the ICJ and the ICJ gave it's opionion. Respect it. Sign the divorce from Kosovo.

Olf, why do you refer to the serbian government as a regime? Who are they reigning over? Are you just trying to be condescending and offensive? There really is no need for that - we can discuss issues without being petty. Please don't be anymore in the future, if you are to be taken seriously. Anyway, no Vuk is not KiM Albanians FM. As you probably know, Serbia has not ruled the majority of Kosovo for years now. Serbia is just fighting for its land, that's all. Can you blame them for that. Milosevic years are gone, that is an ugly history of the former Yugoslavia. Serbia today is a democratic nation, trying hard to become a modern 21st century nation in the model of other European states. It has had a lot to overcome, but it has survived, and is prospering. It is moving closer and closer towards the ethics of the EU. But if it (Serbia) is to really adhere to the ethics of the EU, then the EU must respect territorial integrity of sovereign nations. That is one of the building blocks that keeps it solid. Like I said, Milosevic era is long gone, today's Serbia has little to do with those days. The EU/US must stop behaving like Slobodan is still at the helm in Belgrade. Belgrade is no longer the bad guy, the west needs to find another evil to point their fingers at. That is the only way they can function unfortunately. There has to be a good guy and bad guy, otherwise western policy makes no sense. To themselves, or what they attempt to project to others. Anyway, lighten up, you'll live longer. The Albanians, or anyone, are not worth it.

"State of Arizona no longer wants to be part of US, they no longer agree with federal government, so they decide they wan't to be independent country.
Danijela"

- When did Arizona declare that they want to secede from the US?

Where are you getting your news from?
Certainly not from a US source.

You see, the ICJ opinion was a joke, and those judges were heavily influenced to vote as the imperialists wished. The ICJ, just like the Hague Tribunal, are both anti-Serb political courts which have nothing to do with law.
(Dragan, 29 July 2010 14:50)

Dragan, you must be joking.

You obviously have no idea who (for example) Tomka, Al-Khasawneh, Buergenthal or Simma are in the area of international law to say that they were influenced by imperialists.

Just a hint for you: these were not judges in a court “of law” in Moskow or Beijing.

The ICJ simply said "we have no law on the books against it, therefor we can't say that it is illegal".
Seems everybody wants to rewrite the decision to suit their own purposes. If I were the ICJ, I would be plugging that damn hole quick before someone else takes advantage of it.
(Patrik, 29 July 2010 15:45)

There is no hole to plug, because no hole was opened in the first place.

The ICJ did not say, what you said. The ICJ said that, I quote, “the declaration of independence of Kosovo adopted on 17 February 2008 did not violate international law” (see par. 123 of the Opinion).

So it is about the declaration of independence of a specific entity (Kosovo) declared on a specific date (17/2/2008). Not sure where you found the hole.