Parties react to UN GA Kosovo draft

Resumtion of hard times for Serbia is unavoiable. This may be just the beginning.

Only with the complete change of war/agression mentality there may be chance for change. The current Serbian government is criminal so you can't expect better prospect.

Resumtion of hard times for Serbia is unavoiable. This may be just the beginning.

Only with the complete change of war/agression mentality there may be chance for change. The current Serbian government is criminal so you can't expect better prospect.
(PRN, 29 July 2010 10:19)

War, agression mentality?? Have you been watching a different channel?? If Serbia had a war mentality do you think they would have submitted the request to the ICJ, do you think they would have submitted a resolution to the UNGA, do you think they would have lobbied around the world for support against the UDI? Your comment does nothing, in my opinion, other than show you up as a narrow minded anti Serb who has only a one track mind. That track is intent on defaming Serbs at any opportunity in spite of the truth. Please try to be a little more open minded and balanced, it will make you appear so much more informed.

Zoran, you got the first bit wrong but the second part right. The resolution was written by Belgrade, not Brussels yet there has been howls of protests coming from Brussels and Washington. Belgrade must engage in a fine balancing act at the UN GA. If the resolution comes accross as being too strong, there is a good liklehood it will not pass, too weak and Tadic will be seen as caving into the EU & US demands. Tadic for his faults is being caught between a rock and a hard place between an abivalent and interfering West and a rudderless yet noisy opposition who will pounce on any perceived weakness.

The Serbian opposition is a joke. The Radicals are practically unelectable while Nikolic is tainted with the 'careerist' for splitting on the Radicals, not to mention their policies being incoherent. LDP will be gone next time round. That only leaves Kostunica and the DSS who I do have time for. Voja is one of the few politicos in Serbia who has principle and is not tainted with the Milosevic era or with corruption but at the same time he needs to be pragmatic and put himself in Tadic's spot.

It's easy sit on the oppostion benches and howl invective at the DS but it's an entirely different matter when you are in control of the levers of power. One wrong move could prove fatal. Regarding Kosovo, Tadic and Jeremic are playing the cards that they have at their disposal. Yes we want to see Serbia regain Kosovo but short of sending in the VS there is no other course of action except go down the diplomatic route. Nobody wants another war.

Now the seond part, you are right. Belgrade has painted Pristina into a corner despite the ICJ opinion. Pristina's attempts to get UN membership will fail and it will still be stuck in a political and legal limbo. Its going nowhere and the anticipated stalemate which we all predicted anyway. As Mike succinctly put it in another post yesterday, what Thaci and Sejdiu should do right now is look at Bosnia because that is exactly where Kosovo will ultimatley end up. It is the Balkan equivalent of applying sellotape on a leaking roof.

"Niall, I understand your point regarding Tadic and co so lets see what they can achieve. I don't trust them for the simple reason that they were put into government (with certain politicians bought) by the EU/US."
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 14:57)

Oh, and I always thought Serbia was a state with free and democratic elections, with various parties to vote for, and the majority of MPs elect their prime minister? Seems like I was wrong...

With China and Russia supporting Serbia, Kosovo will never gain a UN seat and therefore never become a legitimate state.
Accept the reality and lets work towards a peaceful co-existence.
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 11:39)

Zoran
Everything tells me that no serbian politician will ever accept any solution that will lead to compromise.
Did you see just how many times from time Serbia submitted request to ICJ until now, how many times Serbian politicians played with the notions people and ethnic minority?
How would you think Serbia will keep the word and will regard any agreement when Serbian constitution already mentions that only serbian parlament has authority to change the territorial regulations?

Looks like the DSS are correct again. I suspect the draft was coordinated with the EU otherwise we'd be hearing objections coming from them. I still don't trust the sell-outs but lets see what negotiations bring.

Personally, I can't see status being resolved. On the one hand we have independence irreversibly blocked and on the other we have irreversible recognitions. Most of the negotiations will be technical but I assume it will touch on status. Effectively, a functional partition within a framework of more than autonomy, less than independence.

Since Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia and Romania have all reconfirmed their stance, ethnic Albanians have no chance of integrating into the EU without successful negotiations. With China and Russia supporting Serbia, Kosovo will never gain a UN seat and therefore never become a legitimate state.

Accept the reality and lets work towards a peaceful co-existence.

I see nothing wrong with that statement. It is absolutely true. The opposition just can't let go of their hard line rhetoric and the average citizen is not buying it. If you solve the problem, they will have no jobs, so they keep pressing on. Diplomacy is the only answer that is going to be acceptable to the rest of the world.
(Patrik, 29 July 2010 15:53)

Well said Patrik. Its high time for people on this site to get real. Tadic and Jeremic did not 'lose' Kosovo like some of the hard core nationalists on the site are saying. They inherited an almighty mess left over from Broz and Milosevic and are left holding the pack of cards that they were given. Not a good hand btw but Tadic along with Jeremic, his playing partner are playing a very good game under very difficult circumstances not helped being surrounded by hostile players and a dodgy dealer. What would Kostunica, Nikolic or the Radicals do in their stead? Tell me that. Out of the entire opposition, only Voja would offer up anything useful or effective. The rest of them are just plain useless. Nikolic & the Radicals.... are some people here serious? The Radicals are as unelectable as the Michael Foot led British Labour Party of the early 1980s and the SNS have no coherent policies whatsoever, they just bang the same populist nationalist drum. The LDP would sell their mothers for the NATO Holy Grail while the Hungarians & Bosniaks are understandibly looking out for themselves. Suing each nation that recognised Kosovo... talk about shooting yourself in the foot. There are ways of fighting for Kosovo but sending the Serbian army back in or engaging in an expensive litigation mudfest would achieve nothing and would isolate Serbia even more. Right now the approach being done by Jeremic is the correct approach. Play to your strenghts and dont overplay your hand.

"Niall, I understand your point regarding Tadic and co so lets see what they can achieve. I don't trust them for the simple reason that they were put into government (with certain politicians bought) by the EU/US."
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 14:57)

Zoran, for God's sake nobody bought Tadic or anybody. Unless you have conclusive proof that Tadic was handed €4 million in a briefcase by some faceless EUrocrat in a Belgrade hotel room then your assertions about people being sold out are just ridicoulous. If you are looking for shady characters, criminals and puppets look down the road towards the kleptocrats in Pristina. Tadic maybe many things but if push came to shove he would never sell his country down the swanny.

Right now I would not swap my job for Tadic. The chap has aged about 10 years looking from latest TV reports and photos. is he under alot of stress.. you can bet he is.

Status Quo never had more comebacks!!!

Oh what a tangled web we weave.....

"Serbia on Wednesday submitted to the UN General Assembly the resolution which points out that unilateral secession is not an acceptable way for resolving territorial issues and calls for finding solutions through dialogue."

I see nothing wrong with that statement. It is absolutely true. The opposition just can't let go of their hard line rhetoric and the average citizen is not buying it. If you solve the problem, they will have no jobs, so they keep pressing on. Diplomacy is the only answer that is going to be acceptable to the rest of the world.

Another battle for Serbia to lose. With every "resolution" it's just a delay of time, if you thought America arm-twisted the judges bc we clearly know the CIA sent an agent to sleep with each judge every night to make sure they knew what's up (joke). If you thought the ICJ was influenced by America and our allies, just wait for the UN General Assembly, you're allies will quickly realize who is in charge (WEST).

Niall, I understand your point regarding Tadic and co so lets see what they can achieve. I don't trust them for the simple reason that they were put into government (with certain politicians bought) by the EU/US. If they achieve a successful compromise then I will certainly be the first to congratulate them, however, until such time I will remain a part of the opposition. I don't believe the arrogance coming from the EU/US will change any time soon though.

You certainly were. The meddling by the EU/US in the last election was no secret. I have never seen such disrespectful acts during elections in any Western countries. The government came cheap also, only a few million euros. Bargain eh?
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 16:50)

There was also 'meddling' by Moscow as well Zoran if you can recall. Remember when Medvedev met with Kostunica, what went on there? No doubt Belgrade was told not to do anything stupid and later gave their seal of approval to the new government.

Washington on the otehrhand thought Belgrade would roll over.... roll over, did they f**k.

"Another battle for Serbia to lose."
RKS

Serbia is not giving up Kosovo while at the same time enjoys white schengen, a UN seat and everything that comes with being a free nation. Kosovo has recognitions from some of the most powerful countries of the world and is still stuck in the twilight zone. Kosovo is caught in between. This will remain for a long long time to come.

Seems like I was wrong...
(Top, 29 July 2010 16:10)
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You certainly were. The meddling by the EU/US in the last election was no secret. I have never seen such disrespectful acts during elections in any Western countries. The government came cheap also, only a few million euros. Bargain eh?

With China and Russia supporting Serbia, Kosovo will never gain a UN seat and therefore never become a legitimate state.
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 11:39)

Just a small correction at the end...

With China and Russia supporting Serbia, Kosovo will never gain a UN seat and therefore never become a UN member state.

"legitimate" does not have anything to do with UN membership. Swiss people would be aghast if you told them that their state was not legitimate until 2002.

There was also 'meddling' by Moscow as well Zoran if you can recall. Remember when Medvedev met with Kostunica, what went on there? No doubt Belgrade was told not to do anything stupid and later gave their seal of approval to the new government.
(Niall O'Doherty, 29 July 2010 17:52)
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What I remember about Russia is that they did not meddle in the election and that gained my respect. It was a different story with the EU/US.

As for politicians being bought, it certainly wasn't Tadic. He was gone a long time ago. Have another guess. Who were the king makers?

How would you think Serbia will keep the word and will regard any agreement when Serbian constitution already mentions that only serbian parlament has authority to change the territorial regulations?
(Simpatiku, 29 July 2010 15:46)
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Negotiations and compromise are the only options we have otherwise we'll be at each other's throats until eternity. We can come to an agreement and finally realise a path to peace and prosperity or we can continue with the primitive eye poking.

Trust will come naturally once we see a brighter future for all. Then we can put aside our difference and make something of the Balkans. We are the people of the Balkans after all.

Resumtion of hard times for Serbia is unavoiable. This may be just the beginning.

Only with the complete change of war/agression mentality there may be chance for change. The current Serbian government is criminal so you can't expect better prospect.

Looks like the DSS are correct again. I suspect the draft was coordinated with the EU otherwise we'd be hearing objections coming from them. I still don't trust the sell-outs but lets see what negotiations bring.

Personally, I can't see status being resolved. On the one hand we have independence irreversibly blocked and on the other we have irreversible recognitions. Most of the negotiations will be technical but I assume it will touch on status. Effectively, a functional partition within a framework of more than autonomy, less than independence.

Since Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia and Romania have all reconfirmed their stance, ethnic Albanians have no chance of integrating into the EU without successful negotiations. With China and Russia supporting Serbia, Kosovo will never gain a UN seat and therefore never become a legitimate state.

Accept the reality and lets work towards a peaceful co-existence.

Seems like I was wrong...
(Top, 29 July 2010 16:10)
--
You certainly were. The meddling by the EU/US in the last election was no secret. I have never seen such disrespectful acts during elections in any Western countries. The government came cheap also, only a few million euros. Bargain eh?

Niall, I understand your point regarding Tadic and co so lets see what they can achieve. I don't trust them for the simple reason that they were put into government (with certain politicians bought) by the EU/US. If they achieve a successful compromise then I will certainly be the first to congratulate them, however, until such time I will remain a part of the opposition. I don't believe the arrogance coming from the EU/US will change any time soon though.

Resumtion of hard times for Serbia is unavoiable. This may be just the beginning.

Only with the complete change of war/agression mentality there may be chance for change. The current Serbian government is criminal so you can't expect better prospect.
(PRN, 29 July 2010 10:19)

War, agression mentality?? Have you been watching a different channel?? If Serbia had a war mentality do you think they would have submitted the request to the ICJ, do you think they would have submitted a resolution to the UNGA, do you think they would have lobbied around the world for support against the UDI? Your comment does nothing, in my opinion, other than show you up as a narrow minded anti Serb who has only a one track mind. That track is intent on defaming Serbs at any opportunity in spite of the truth. Please try to be a little more open minded and balanced, it will make you appear so much more informed.

Zoran, you got the first bit wrong but the second part right. The resolution was written by Belgrade, not Brussels yet there has been howls of protests coming from Brussels and Washington. Belgrade must engage in a fine balancing act at the UN GA. If the resolution comes accross as being too strong, there is a good liklehood it will not pass, too weak and Tadic will be seen as caving into the EU & US demands. Tadic for his faults is being caught between a rock and a hard place between an abivalent and interfering West and a rudderless yet noisy opposition who will pounce on any perceived weakness.

The Serbian opposition is a joke. The Radicals are practically unelectable while Nikolic is tainted with the 'careerist' for splitting on the Radicals, not to mention their policies being incoherent. LDP will be gone next time round. That only leaves Kostunica and the DSS who I do have time for. Voja is one of the few politicos in Serbia who has principle and is not tainted with the Milosevic era or with corruption but at the same time he needs to be pragmatic and put himself in Tadic's spot.

It's easy sit on the oppostion benches and howl invective at the DS but it's an entirely different matter when you are in control of the levers of power. One wrong move could prove fatal. Regarding Kosovo, Tadic and Jeremic are playing the cards that they have at their disposal. Yes we want to see Serbia regain Kosovo but short of sending in the VS there is no other course of action except go down the diplomatic route. Nobody wants another war.

Now the seond part, you are right. Belgrade has painted Pristina into a corner despite the ICJ opinion. Pristina's attempts to get UN membership will fail and it will still be stuck in a political and legal limbo. Its going nowhere and the anticipated stalemate which we all predicted anyway. As Mike succinctly put it in another post yesterday, what Thaci and Sejdiu should do right now is look at Bosnia because that is exactly where Kosovo will ultimatley end up. It is the Balkan equivalent of applying sellotape on a leaking roof.

Status Quo never had more comebacks!!!

Oh what a tangled web we weave.....

How would you think Serbia will keep the word and will regard any agreement when Serbian constitution already mentions that only serbian parlament has authority to change the territorial regulations?
(Simpatiku, 29 July 2010 15:46)
--
Negotiations and compromise are the only options we have otherwise we'll be at each other's throats until eternity. We can come to an agreement and finally realise a path to peace and prosperity or we can continue with the primitive eye poking.

Trust will come naturally once we see a brighter future for all. Then we can put aside our difference and make something of the Balkans. We are the people of the Balkans after all.

I see nothing wrong with that statement. It is absolutely true. The opposition just can't let go of their hard line rhetoric and the average citizen is not buying it. If you solve the problem, they will have no jobs, so they keep pressing on. Diplomacy is the only answer that is going to be acceptable to the rest of the world.
(Patrik, 29 July 2010 15:53)

Well said Patrik. Its high time for people on this site to get real. Tadic and Jeremic did not 'lose' Kosovo like some of the hard core nationalists on the site are saying. They inherited an almighty mess left over from Broz and Milosevic and are left holding the pack of cards that they were given. Not a good hand btw but Tadic along with Jeremic, his playing partner are playing a very good game under very difficult circumstances not helped being surrounded by hostile players and a dodgy dealer. What would Kostunica, Nikolic or the Radicals do in their stead? Tell me that. Out of the entire opposition, only Voja would offer up anything useful or effective. The rest of them are just plain useless. Nikolic & the Radicals.... are some people here serious? The Radicals are as unelectable as the Michael Foot led British Labour Party of the early 1980s and the SNS have no coherent policies whatsoever, they just bang the same populist nationalist drum. The LDP would sell their mothers for the NATO Holy Grail while the Hungarians & Bosniaks are understandibly looking out for themselves. Suing each nation that recognised Kosovo... talk about shooting yourself in the foot. There are ways of fighting for Kosovo but sending the Serbian army back in or engaging in an expensive litigation mudfest would achieve nothing and would isolate Serbia even more. Right now the approach being done by Jeremic is the correct approach. Play to your strenghts and dont overplay your hand.

"Niall, I understand your point regarding Tadic and co so lets see what they can achieve. I don't trust them for the simple reason that they were put into government (with certain politicians bought) by the EU/US."
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 14:57)

Zoran, for God's sake nobody bought Tadic or anybody. Unless you have conclusive proof that Tadic was handed €4 million in a briefcase by some faceless EUrocrat in a Belgrade hotel room then your assertions about people being sold out are just ridicoulous. If you are looking for shady characters, criminals and puppets look down the road towards the kleptocrats in Pristina. Tadic maybe many things but if push came to shove he would never sell his country down the swanny.

Right now I would not swap my job for Tadic. The chap has aged about 10 years looking from latest TV reports and photos. is he under alot of stress.. you can bet he is.

"Serbia on Wednesday submitted to the UN General Assembly the resolution which points out that unilateral secession is not an acceptable way for resolving territorial issues and calls for finding solutions through dialogue."

I see nothing wrong with that statement. It is absolutely true. The opposition just can't let go of their hard line rhetoric and the average citizen is not buying it. If you solve the problem, they will have no jobs, so they keep pressing on. Diplomacy is the only answer that is going to be acceptable to the rest of the world.

"Another battle for Serbia to lose."
RKS

Serbia is not giving up Kosovo while at the same time enjoys white schengen, a UN seat and everything that comes with being a free nation. Kosovo has recognitions from some of the most powerful countries of the world and is still stuck in the twilight zone. Kosovo is caught in between. This will remain for a long long time to come.

There was also 'meddling' by Moscow as well Zoran if you can recall. Remember when Medvedev met with Kostunica, what went on there? No doubt Belgrade was told not to do anything stupid and later gave their seal of approval to the new government.
(Niall O'Doherty, 29 July 2010 17:52)
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What I remember about Russia is that they did not meddle in the election and that gained my respect. It was a different story with the EU/US.

As for politicians being bought, it certainly wasn't Tadic. He was gone a long time ago. Have another guess. Who were the king makers?

Another battle for Serbia to lose. With every "resolution" it's just a delay of time, if you thought America arm-twisted the judges bc we clearly know the CIA sent an agent to sleep with each judge every night to make sure they knew what's up (joke). If you thought the ICJ was influenced by America and our allies, just wait for the UN General Assembly, you're allies will quickly realize who is in charge (WEST).

You certainly were. The meddling by the EU/US in the last election was no secret. I have never seen such disrespectful acts during elections in any Western countries. The government came cheap also, only a few million euros. Bargain eh?
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 16:50)

There was also 'meddling' by Moscow as well Zoran if you can recall. Remember when Medvedev met with Kostunica, what went on there? No doubt Belgrade was told not to do anything stupid and later gave their seal of approval to the new government.

Washington on the otehrhand thought Belgrade would roll over.... roll over, did they f**k.

"Niall, I understand your point regarding Tadic and co so lets see what they can achieve. I don't trust them for the simple reason that they were put into government (with certain politicians bought) by the EU/US."
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 14:57)

Oh, and I always thought Serbia was a state with free and democratic elections, with various parties to vote for, and the majority of MPs elect their prime minister? Seems like I was wrong...

With China and Russia supporting Serbia, Kosovo will never gain a UN seat and therefore never become a legitimate state.
Accept the reality and lets work towards a peaceful co-existence.
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 11:39)

Zoran
Everything tells me that no serbian politician will ever accept any solution that will lead to compromise.
Did you see just how many times from time Serbia submitted request to ICJ until now, how many times Serbian politicians played with the notions people and ethnic minority?
How would you think Serbia will keep the word and will regard any agreement when Serbian constitution already mentions that only serbian parlament has authority to change the territorial regulations?

With China and Russia supporting Serbia, Kosovo will never gain a UN seat and therefore never become a legitimate state.
(Zoran, 29 July 2010 11:39)

Just a small correction at the end...

With China and Russia supporting Serbia, Kosovo will never gain a UN seat and therefore never become a UN member state.

"legitimate" does not have anything to do with UN membership. Swiss people would be aghast if you told them that their state was not legitimate until 2002.