Serbia submits Kosovo draft to UN GA

Judging from this news, it appears that Serbia submitted it without the EU and their proposal to send a joint declaration, right?

Well, then I`m almost sure that this proposal will fail. Unlike the ICJ where only 77 states supported Serbia´s request (including some countries which already had recognized Kosovo by that time), this time many of those abstaining countries, such as Germany, will refuse it. Serbia had his chance to state his point when formulating the question at the ICJ. Not many will allow Serbia to make this question a political perpetuum mobile. At a certain point, it is enough. That point has been reached when the ICJ confirmed legality of the question stated by Serbia.

Chapter is closed.

I'm glad they're still fighting and just stuck two fingers up at the EU by submitting this, but this is basically the same resolution they would have drafted if they'd won, so there's no way it will pass. Even Dodik said so, and why would he lie?

Simpatiku, I think Serbia have missed the point entirely. What they should be asking is whether it's illegal to secede + whether there is a right to self determination. With an answer to these questions there would be no doubt on either side what they could or couldn't do in the future.

From what I've just read I think this will be a disaster for Serbia. And why so quickly to submit this? Isn't the GA in September? Reading between the lines I'd say that Tadic and Co. are doing their best to lose Kosovo but then say they did their best to keep it!

Weak and stupid.

Its looking quite good for Serbia. I mean hey, the Albanians think that the west supports THEM as a people. Let them belive that so they can be satisfied with themself. The educated people on the other hand, knows that the Kosovo issue has not more than begun. 40% of the UNSC is against Kosovo, ie China and Russia. Serbia has support of most of the big ones; India, China, Russia, Argentina, most of the African continent. And not to forget 5 states in EU with the big ones Spain and Greece. Also, most of the countries that has recognized Kosovo have done it by one of three purposes. Either its because of military strategy (Bondsteel), either its because they can send a lot of econonomic and criminal asylum seekers back (Germany, Norway, Sweden, Italy etc) OR its because they need a way in with intelligence in the muslim world. Therefore, its good to be friend with some leaders that will trade information and let intelligence services spy. All mobil phones and landline phones in Kosovo are tapped by interception. I hope you knew this otherwise you know it now. Almost every "embassy" in Kosovo has intelligence people spying there. (Remember the Germans that lost a notebook with secret info about Thacis drug affairs). Now seriously, does anyone here truly believes anymore that Kosovo will be a country ? Seriously ?!

"That point has been reached when the ICJ confirmed legality of the question stated by Serbia.

Chapter is closed.
(JohnC., 28 July 2010 15:51)"

You need to go back and read the decision again. The ICJ did not confirm the legality of anything. They simply said there was nothing illegal about the self declaration of independence because there was is law on the books that addresses declarations of independence.

"Its looking quite good for Serbia. I mean hey, the Albanians think that the west supports THEM as a people. Let them belive that so they can be satisfied with themself."
(Staff, 28 July 2010 17:15)

Yes, a problem of perception, caused by extreme nationalism and being self-centered and overestimating their importance in the world.

Hey, it's not much different to the Serb nationalists, who think everyone and every decision is against them because the whole world (except their "russian brothers", of course) hates them, as people.

What can you do when the powers that be, turn a blind eye to the corruption, extortion and racism of the Kosovan Albanian authorities? Keep on fighting for justice as always.

Sorry, JohnC., but you don't make the laws, and neither does the EU/US. It does break them often, but does not make them. Serbia's request before the UNSC to discuss the Kosovo status will be accepted, as a couple of heavy weights in the UNSC are against an independent Albanian Kosovo. Let's wait and see. BTW, don't you want this Kosovo status issue resolved once and for all, or do you agree with the US just slamming it through without regard to the sovereign state of Serbia? There are too many disputed areas around the world, for the Kosovo status issue to be unilaterally solved.

Radoslav:
Exactly right. Like I mentioned in an earlier post - Tadic and Jeremic are the West's puppets, and they are playing their role in losing Kosovo, but making it appear that they are fighting (against insurmountable odds)- painting themselves to the Serbian public as Lazar and Obilic. They are using the Serbs' own history to ease the pain in losing Kosovo. Asking for an advisory opinion was stupid. Going to the GA is stupid. It is only giving Kosovo some legal justification (albeit perverted logic)to exist outside of Serbia proper - something Kosovo did not have before the ICJ decision. I know the ruling was narrow. I know only through flawed logic can one take the ICJ ruling (that the declaration of independence did not violate any international law b/c there is no international law on the issue into ernational law on the issue) and turn that to mean the declaration of independence was legal. But, that is not the point. Why allow the opportunity. The point is that these Serbian puppets are tearing Kosovo away from Serbia slowly, but surely, while at the same time pretenting to be the biggest protectors of Serbian sovereighnty. When the leader of your country says (consistently) that he will only fight for Kosovo diplomatically, then he has lost Kosovo. If peace and stability in the region is the goal, and one side will take up arms for its cause, and the other will not; well then, it is easy to maintain peace and stability - placate those who will take up arms, while the other side shouts to the top of their lungs about laws, and history, and justice. Law and history and justice may be on your side, but you are naive to think that that matters in international affairs. It does only if you can back it up with guns and friends with bigger guns than the guns of your enemy's friend's.

I read the resolution carefully and I have noticed that it lacks crucial point: Request for negotiations on the status of Kosovo.
If this attempt of Serbia then answer is ready: The UN GA did not approve the resolution but did not say anything about status talks.

Smart Resolution from Serbia, Albanian camp just read the resolution clearly and slowly and you will understand that this resolution will be more of helper then denial to Kosovo declaration of independence. Resolution is quite good; in fact, Serbia on the resolution does agree with the court ruling and is asking for advice how to proceed from now on. This resolution even if it passes in fact in does tell the international world that Serbia agrees with the decision but things that their option but wants new general negotiations. This resolution will help Kosovo in long term. Serbia is helping Kosovo and Jeremic is doing exactly the opposite that he should be doing.

The reason that Serbia send this resolution so early and so fast is that, they want to have another "argument" when they go country to country, to beg them no to recognise Kosovo's Independence, at least till September now. Till now Jeremic was using the ICJ,now he is going to have september draft resolution, to try to buy more time. I do beleive 100% in the Kosovo's right to independence, but on the other hand I feel very bad for Serbian people, whose leaders are spending all their money going around the world beging and crying for something that does not belong to them (Kosovo), while their citizens are suffering.

This is a funny resolution.

Its like trying to stop a stampeding horde of antelopes with a STOP sign.

This will never pass unless two modifications are made.
First remove the sentence:

"Taking into account the fact that one-sided secession cannot be an accepted way for resolving territorial issues,"


Second add the following:
"except discussions on K Status" right after "all disputed issues" in the paragraph below.

"2. Calls on the sides to find a mutually acceptable solution for all disputed issues through peaceful dialogue, with the aim of achieving peace, security and cooperation in the region."

Otherwise the draft is designed to sneak into acceptance, and as we all know if accepted as it is, it will mean something completely different for Serb government once accepted by GA.

Brotherman 'USofA', do you also believe that the US government would allow any of our 50 states to secede? What do you think would happen if the state of Texas declared its independence? Would the federal government sit idly by and let it happen? Didn't think so.

"Its looking quite good for Serbia. I mean hey, the Albanians think that the west supports THEM as a people. Let them belive that so they can be satisfied with themself."
(Staff, 28 July 2010 17:15)

It´s precisely these types of comments be it coming from Serbs or Albanians never allow peace between two nations.

Serbia should not give up Kosovo at any price otherwise Mr. Tadic and Mr. Jeremic will end up with a BAD Name in Serbian History.
Kosovo will remain a frozen conflict if the WEST insists in making it as their new satellite in the Balkans.

i just say 1 one word: > "VETO" then Kosovo will still be the winner.

mms although there is some truth in what you say about Tadic and company going through the motions on kosovo with no visible result, on the other hand it is true that the majority of Serbian people know there is no other choice.

Sure, we can argue about whether we should sue, whether it would help (or hinder our cause) by obstructing the internationals at every turn in Kosovo. But, the truth is that the result is exactly the same.

So we have something like a charade and lets face it money wasted as well.

But I can't see how your implication that war be used as a means of regaining Kosovo would help. In case you hadn't noticed the soldier method failed last time, and this time we have international forces to contend with and you had better believe that it would take an extremely unlikely situation to occur to prevent a number of powerful countries to attack Serbia if Serbia attampted to use its forces to retake kosovo.

This is not an option and the only possible result would be a new wave of Serb refugees fleeing Kosovo forever to Serbia proper.

No, the fact of the matter is that we must be realistic about the situation.

Our position should be to sit down and neogitate with Kosovo Albanians about a stable and lasting peace and how best to build a prosperous future.

kufr the only thing I'm proposing is that this is about the end result, not about fighting or surrendering.

This certainly isn't about us congratulating ourselves for (going down) fighting and sacrificing the futures of remaining kosovo serbs.

The whole concept of fighting to lose is alien to me and more often than not other people are hurt as a result of such tactics.

I'm Albanian and I don't think whoever supports us does that because they like Albanians. I'm not that ignorant or naive. It just happened that the interests of the powers that count in Europe aligned with ours, and I have no illusion that when these powers' interest will not align anymore with Kosovo's they are not going to support us anymore.

Now, dear Staff, let me ask you. Do you really believe that Russia, China, African countries, these champions of the rule of law and high principles support Serbia because they care of the above? Seriously !!!
(Mark, 30 July 2010 05:51)

No, I am not that naive Mark. If you knew me by person, I am sure we could have a great discussion and also maybe be friends. I have a wide experience from the Balkans. I have many great friends from each of the ethnicities at the Balkans. We never discuss politics but all of them have a very big respect of my beliefs and I have for theirs. But one thing is crystal clear and absolutely no doubt about it. No one alive today will ever see Kosovo as a real country. I know some Serbians have done very very bad things against the Albanians. And vice versa after the conflict. But the thing is, that does not and I repeat, does not grant one side to proclaim a new country on someone else land. I can promise you on how much as you like that Kosovo will stay in limbo for many many years to come. I feel truly VERY sorry for the people there. In my opinion their leaders are fooling them every single day. Because not much will be better. Serbia, will never ever let go of Kosovo nomatter what. And with the suport of China, Russia, India and the 5 EU ones etc, it will forever be a mess. As I said, I am feeling sorry of the people. Because when all this bulls¤¤t of war, martyrs, weapons etc has been laid to rest and all the internationals have left in 20-25 years, there is only a bit of cold, poor, dark place left. You see, without the internationals eating on restaurants, paying rents, cleaning, buying groceries there will not be so much money around. And EU are sending home about 100 ex refugees every single week that have been sending money before.

@bganon, Yes, it might very well be futile to obstruct the "internationals". But still it is our duty to do so! Are you proposing we should go down without a fight? No way!

bganon:

I did not mean to imply that the solution is to go to war over Kosovo. It's usually the innocents (on all sides) who suffer first and the most in any war. However, leaving open the possibility (or rather not precluding the right, as a sovereign) of doing so is enough, and sends a message.

Telling the other side that you will not do so, is scandalous in my opinion for a President of a country to say so openly. In fact, to me, it is a signal to the other side, that it is yours for the taking.

Forgive my analogy, but imagine if Serbia was playing a soccer game, and before the game started, the Coach told his opponents that Serbia would play all 11 of its players on the pitch behind the mid-field line, and its players would not take any shots on goal. Instead, Serbia will defend, and try to employ the referree to convince the opposing players that it would be a good idea for them to score an own-goal, so Serbia can win the game. Ridiculous, right? Of course, Serbia's opponents would have no reason to keep any of its players in their own half of the field. Were the coach merely to keep his mouth shut, Serbia's opponents would have no choice but to have their players in a regular formation. It is high time for Serbia to fire the Coach before the final whistle blows.

Its looking quite good for Serbia. I mean hey, the Albanians think that the west supports THEM as a people. Let them belive that so they can be satisfied with themself. The educated people on the other hand, knows that the Kosovo issue has not more than begun. 40% of the UNSC is against Kosovo, ie China and Russia. Serbia has support of most of the big ones; India, China, Russia, Argentina, most of the African continent. And not to forget 5 states in EU with the big ones Spain and Greece. Also, most of the countries that has recognized Kosovo have done it by one of three purposes. Either its because of military strategy (Bondsteel), either its because they can send a lot of econonomic and criminal asylum seekers back (Germany, Norway, Sweden, Italy etc) OR its because they need a way in with intelligence in the muslim world. Therefore, its good to be friend with some leaders that will trade information and let intelligence services spy. All mobil phones and landline phones in Kosovo are tapped by interception. I hope you knew this otherwise you know it now. Almost every "embassy" in Kosovo has intelligence people spying there. (Remember the Germans that lost a notebook with secret info about Thacis drug affairs). Now seriously, does anyone here truly believes anymore that Kosovo will be a country ? Seriously ?!
(Staff, 28 July 2010 17:15)

I'm Albanian and I don't think whoever supports us does that because they like Albanians. I'm not that ignorant or naive. It just happened that the interests of the powers that count in Europe aligned with ours, and I have no illusion that when these powers' interest will not align anymore with Kosovo's they are not going to support us anymore.

Now, dear Staff, let me ask you. Do you really believe that Russia, China, African countries, these champions of the rule of law and high principles support Serbia because they care of the above? Seriously !!!

Your analogy is correct in some way and I'll tell where its wrong.

It doesn't matter one hoot what you tell your opponents. You can be bluffing or not. The important thing is how you play on the pitch.

A closer analogy would be to say in advance of the game that you are prepared to play dirty. You think that will scare anybody and you think that the already biased referee will stand for it.

No, our players opponents will be itching for us to threaten and play dirty so we will have men sent off.

I can promise you on how much as you like that Kosovo will stay in limbo for many many years to come. I feel truly VERY sorry for the people there. In my opinion their leaders are fooling them every single day. Because not much will be better. Serbia, will never ever let go of Kosovo no matter what. And with the suport of China, Russia, India and the 5 EU ones etc, it will forever be a mess.
(Staff, 30 July 2010 20:58)

And I’m sure, that all of the above will increase the love of Albanians for Serbia so that they will agree to go back under Serbia rule.

In addition, I thank you for your promise Kosovo will stay in limbo for many years to come, because that’s for me a much better thing than “Kosovo is Serbia”. Moreover, I’m not sure what you mean by “limbo”. If you mean the current situation, I don’t even see that as a limbo, but if you see it like that, who cares, it does not have an impact on me more than, say, Zimbabwe’s thoughts about Kosovo.

For me and ordinary Kosovo citizens, joining the UN will not bring jobs or money. Having loans from WB and IMF probably will. Of course, we will not be able to join the EU and that is important for the jobs or money, but Serbia too will not be able to join without agreeing with Kosovo. The EU did once the error of admitting Cyprus without solving the N. Cyprus issue. It will not do it again. As for the visa free travel in the EU, we have that already thanks to Serbia :). I just need to establish a fictitious residence somewhere in Serbia (which is very easy to do) to get the Serbian passport and freely travel to the EU.

You said that you were not that naïve; but here you say that China, Russia, India and the 5 of the EU will support forever Servia… Why? How do you know that their interests will always align with Serbia’s. Russia, Serbia’s main supporter now, did not hesitate to dump Serbia back in 1999 when it did not block resolution 1244 as Serbia wanted. Of course Russia’s financial interests with the West were more important at that time than a piece of Serbia’s territory. Or take Cyprus, how do you know that the North Cyprus issue will continue forever. Once that is solved, be that 10 or 100 yrs from now, Cyprus (and Greece) will recognize Kosovo. There are no “forever” friends in international politics. There are only interests, and interests are temporary.

Its looking quite good for Serbia. I mean hey, the Albanians think that the west supports THEM as a people. Let them belive that so they can be satisfied with themself. The educated people on the other hand, knows that the Kosovo issue has not more than begun. 40% of the UNSC is against Kosovo, ie China and Russia. Serbia has support of most of the big ones; India, China, Russia, Argentina, most of the African continent. And not to forget 5 states in EU with the big ones Spain and Greece. Also, most of the countries that has recognized Kosovo have done it by one of three purposes. Either its because of military strategy (Bondsteel), either its because they can send a lot of econonomic and criminal asylum seekers back (Germany, Norway, Sweden, Italy etc) OR its because they need a way in with intelligence in the muslim world. Therefore, its good to be friend with some leaders that will trade information and let intelligence services spy. All mobil phones and landline phones in Kosovo are tapped by interception. I hope you knew this otherwise you know it now. Almost every "embassy" in Kosovo has intelligence people spying there. (Remember the Germans that lost a notebook with secret info about Thacis drug affairs). Now seriously, does anyone here truly believes anymore that Kosovo will be a country ? Seriously ?!

What can you do when the powers that be, turn a blind eye to the corruption, extortion and racism of the Kosovan Albanian authorities? Keep on fighting for justice as always.

Judging from this news, it appears that Serbia submitted it without the EU and their proposal to send a joint declaration, right?

Well, then I`m almost sure that this proposal will fail. Unlike the ICJ where only 77 states supported Serbia´s request (including some countries which already had recognized Kosovo by that time), this time many of those abstaining countries, such as Germany, will refuse it. Serbia had his chance to state his point when formulating the question at the ICJ. Not many will allow Serbia to make this question a political perpetuum mobile. At a certain point, it is enough. That point has been reached when the ICJ confirmed legality of the question stated by Serbia.

Chapter is closed.

Sorry, JohnC., but you don't make the laws, and neither does the EU/US. It does break them often, but does not make them. Serbia's request before the UNSC to discuss the Kosovo status will be accepted, as a couple of heavy weights in the UNSC are against an independent Albanian Kosovo. Let's wait and see. BTW, don't you want this Kosovo status issue resolved once and for all, or do you agree with the US just slamming it through without regard to the sovereign state of Serbia? There are too many disputed areas around the world, for the Kosovo status issue to be unilaterally solved.

"That point has been reached when the ICJ confirmed legality of the question stated by Serbia.

Chapter is closed.
(JohnC., 28 July 2010 15:51)"

You need to go back and read the decision again. The ICJ did not confirm the legality of anything. They simply said there was nothing illegal about the self declaration of independence because there was is law on the books that addresses declarations of independence.

The reason that Serbia send this resolution so early and so fast is that, they want to have another "argument" when they go country to country, to beg them no to recognise Kosovo's Independence, at least till September now. Till now Jeremic was using the ICJ,now he is going to have september draft resolution, to try to buy more time. I do beleive 100% in the Kosovo's right to independence, but on the other hand I feel very bad for Serbian people, whose leaders are spending all their money going around the world beging and crying for something that does not belong to them (Kosovo), while their citizens are suffering.

i just say 1 one word: > "VETO" then Kosovo will still be the winner.

This will never pass unless two modifications are made.
First remove the sentence:

"Taking into account the fact that one-sided secession cannot be an accepted way for resolving territorial issues,"


Second add the following:
"except discussions on K Status" right after "all disputed issues" in the paragraph below.

"2. Calls on the sides to find a mutually acceptable solution for all disputed issues through peaceful dialogue, with the aim of achieving peace, security and cooperation in the region."

Otherwise the draft is designed to sneak into acceptance, and as we all know if accepted as it is, it will mean something completely different for Serb government once accepted by GA.

"Its looking quite good for Serbia. I mean hey, the Albanians think that the west supports THEM as a people. Let them belive that so they can be satisfied with themself."
(Staff, 28 July 2010 17:15)

Yes, a problem of perception, caused by extreme nationalism and being self-centered and overestimating their importance in the world.

Hey, it's not much different to the Serb nationalists, who think everyone and every decision is against them because the whole world (except their "russian brothers", of course) hates them, as people.

"Its looking quite good for Serbia. I mean hey, the Albanians think that the west supports THEM as a people. Let them belive that so they can be satisfied with themself."
(Staff, 28 July 2010 17:15)

It´s precisely these types of comments be it coming from Serbs or Albanians never allow peace between two nations.

I read the resolution carefully and I have noticed that it lacks crucial point: Request for negotiations on the status of Kosovo.
If this attempt of Serbia then answer is ready: The UN GA did not approve the resolution but did not say anything about status talks.

This is a funny resolution.

Its like trying to stop a stampeding horde of antelopes with a STOP sign.

I'm glad they're still fighting and just stuck two fingers up at the EU by submitting this, but this is basically the same resolution they would have drafted if they'd won, so there's no way it will pass. Even Dodik said so, and why would he lie?

Radoslav:
Exactly right. Like I mentioned in an earlier post - Tadic and Jeremic are the West's puppets, and they are playing their role in losing Kosovo, but making it appear that they are fighting (against insurmountable odds)- painting themselves to the Serbian public as Lazar and Obilic. They are using the Serbs' own history to ease the pain in losing Kosovo. Asking for an advisory opinion was stupid. Going to the GA is stupid. It is only giving Kosovo some legal justification (albeit perverted logic)to exist outside of Serbia proper - something Kosovo did not have before the ICJ decision. I know the ruling was narrow. I know only through flawed logic can one take the ICJ ruling (that the declaration of independence did not violate any international law b/c there is no international law on the issue into ernational law on the issue) and turn that to mean the declaration of independence was legal. But, that is not the point. Why allow the opportunity. The point is that these Serbian puppets are tearing Kosovo away from Serbia slowly, but surely, while at the same time pretenting to be the biggest protectors of Serbian sovereighnty. When the leader of your country says (consistently) that he will only fight for Kosovo diplomatically, then he has lost Kosovo. If peace and stability in the region is the goal, and one side will take up arms for its cause, and the other will not; well then, it is easy to maintain peace and stability - placate those who will take up arms, while the other side shouts to the top of their lungs about laws, and history, and justice. Law and history and justice may be on your side, but you are naive to think that that matters in international affairs. It does only if you can back it up with guns and friends with bigger guns than the guns of your enemy's friend's.

I can promise you on how much as you like that Kosovo will stay in limbo for many many years to come. I feel truly VERY sorry for the people there. In my opinion their leaders are fooling them every single day. Because not much will be better. Serbia, will never ever let go of Kosovo no matter what. And with the suport of China, Russia, India and the 5 EU ones etc, it will forever be a mess.
(Staff, 30 July 2010 20:58)

And I’m sure, that all of the above will increase the love of Albanians for Serbia so that they will agree to go back under Serbia rule.

In addition, I thank you for your promise Kosovo will stay in limbo for many years to come, because that’s for me a much better thing than “Kosovo is Serbia”. Moreover, I’m not sure what you mean by “limbo”. If you mean the current situation, I don’t even see that as a limbo, but if you see it like that, who cares, it does not have an impact on me more than, say, Zimbabwe’s thoughts about Kosovo.

For me and ordinary Kosovo citizens, joining the UN will not bring jobs or money. Having loans from WB and IMF probably will. Of course, we will not be able to join the EU and that is important for the jobs or money, but Serbia too will not be able to join without agreeing with Kosovo. The EU did once the error of admitting Cyprus without solving the N. Cyprus issue. It will not do it again. As for the visa free travel in the EU, we have that already thanks to Serbia :). I just need to establish a fictitious residence somewhere in Serbia (which is very easy to do) to get the Serbian passport and freely travel to the EU.

You said that you were not that naïve; but here you say that China, Russia, India and the 5 of the EU will support forever Servia… Why? How do you know that their interests will always align with Serbia’s. Russia, Serbia’s main supporter now, did not hesitate to dump Serbia back in 1999 when it did not block resolution 1244 as Serbia wanted. Of course Russia’s financial interests with the West were more important at that time than a piece of Serbia’s territory. Or take Cyprus, how do you know that the North Cyprus issue will continue forever. Once that is solved, be that 10 or 100 yrs from now, Cyprus (and Greece) will recognize Kosovo. There are no “forever” friends in international politics. There are only interests, and interests are temporary.

Simpatiku, I think Serbia have missed the point entirely. What they should be asking is whether it's illegal to secede + whether there is a right to self determination. With an answer to these questions there would be no doubt on either side what they could or couldn't do in the future.

From what I've just read I think this will be a disaster for Serbia. And why so quickly to submit this? Isn't the GA in September? Reading between the lines I'd say that Tadic and Co. are doing their best to lose Kosovo but then say they did their best to keep it!

Weak and stupid.

Brotherman 'USofA', do you also believe that the US government would allow any of our 50 states to secede? What do you think would happen if the state of Texas declared its independence? Would the federal government sit idly by and let it happen? Didn't think so.

@bganon, Yes, it might very well be futile to obstruct the "internationals". But still it is our duty to do so! Are you proposing we should go down without a fight? No way!

Its looking quite good for Serbia. I mean hey, the Albanians think that the west supports THEM as a people. Let them belive that so they can be satisfied with themself. The educated people on the other hand, knows that the Kosovo issue has not more than begun. 40% of the UNSC is against Kosovo, ie China and Russia. Serbia has support of most of the big ones; India, China, Russia, Argentina, most of the African continent. And not to forget 5 states in EU with the big ones Spain and Greece. Also, most of the countries that has recognized Kosovo have done it by one of three purposes. Either its because of military strategy (Bondsteel), either its because they can send a lot of econonomic and criminal asylum seekers back (Germany, Norway, Sweden, Italy etc) OR its because they need a way in with intelligence in the muslim world. Therefore, its good to be friend with some leaders that will trade information and let intelligence services spy. All mobil phones and landline phones in Kosovo are tapped by interception. I hope you knew this otherwise you know it now. Almost every "embassy" in Kosovo has intelligence people spying there. (Remember the Germans that lost a notebook with secret info about Thacis drug affairs). Now seriously, does anyone here truly believes anymore that Kosovo will be a country ? Seriously ?!
(Staff, 28 July 2010 17:15)

I'm Albanian and I don't think whoever supports us does that because they like Albanians. I'm not that ignorant or naive. It just happened that the interests of the powers that count in Europe aligned with ours, and I have no illusion that when these powers' interest will not align anymore with Kosovo's they are not going to support us anymore.

Now, dear Staff, let me ask you. Do you really believe that Russia, China, African countries, these champions of the rule of law and high principles support Serbia because they care of the above? Seriously !!!

bganon:

I did not mean to imply that the solution is to go to war over Kosovo. It's usually the innocents (on all sides) who suffer first and the most in any war. However, leaving open the possibility (or rather not precluding the right, as a sovereign) of doing so is enough, and sends a message.

Telling the other side that you will not do so, is scandalous in my opinion for a President of a country to say so openly. In fact, to me, it is a signal to the other side, that it is yours for the taking.

Forgive my analogy, but imagine if Serbia was playing a soccer game, and before the game started, the Coach told his opponents that Serbia would play all 11 of its players on the pitch behind the mid-field line, and its players would not take any shots on goal. Instead, Serbia will defend, and try to employ the referree to convince the opposing players that it would be a good idea for them to score an own-goal, so Serbia can win the game. Ridiculous, right? Of course, Serbia's opponents would have no reason to keep any of its players in their own half of the field. Were the coach merely to keep his mouth shut, Serbia's opponents would have no choice but to have their players in a regular formation. It is high time for Serbia to fire the Coach before the final whistle blows.

Smart Resolution from Serbia, Albanian camp just read the resolution clearly and slowly and you will understand that this resolution will be more of helper then denial to Kosovo declaration of independence. Resolution is quite good; in fact, Serbia on the resolution does agree with the court ruling and is asking for advice how to proceed from now on. This resolution even if it passes in fact in does tell the international world that Serbia agrees with the decision but things that their option but wants new general negotiations. This resolution will help Kosovo in long term. Serbia is helping Kosovo and Jeremic is doing exactly the opposite that he should be doing.

Serbia should not give up Kosovo at any price otherwise Mr. Tadic and Mr. Jeremic will end up with a BAD Name in Serbian History.
Kosovo will remain a frozen conflict if the WEST insists in making it as their new satellite in the Balkans.

Your analogy is correct in some way and I'll tell where its wrong.

It doesn't matter one hoot what you tell your opponents. You can be bluffing or not. The important thing is how you play on the pitch.

A closer analogy would be to say in advance of the game that you are prepared to play dirty. You think that will scare anybody and you think that the already biased referee will stand for it.

No, our players opponents will be itching for us to threaten and play dirty so we will have men sent off.

I'm Albanian and I don't think whoever supports us does that because they like Albanians. I'm not that ignorant or naive. It just happened that the interests of the powers that count in Europe aligned with ours, and I have no illusion that when these powers' interest will not align anymore with Kosovo's they are not going to support us anymore.

Now, dear Staff, let me ask you. Do you really believe that Russia, China, African countries, these champions of the rule of law and high principles support Serbia because they care of the above? Seriously !!!
(Mark, 30 July 2010 05:51)

No, I am not that naive Mark. If you knew me by person, I am sure we could have a great discussion and also maybe be friends. I have a wide experience from the Balkans. I have many great friends from each of the ethnicities at the Balkans. We never discuss politics but all of them have a very big respect of my beliefs and I have for theirs. But one thing is crystal clear and absolutely no doubt about it. No one alive today will ever see Kosovo as a real country. I know some Serbians have done very very bad things against the Albanians. And vice versa after the conflict. But the thing is, that does not and I repeat, does not grant one side to proclaim a new country on someone else land. I can promise you on how much as you like that Kosovo will stay in limbo for many many years to come. I feel truly VERY sorry for the people there. In my opinion their leaders are fooling them every single day. Because not much will be better. Serbia, will never ever let go of Kosovo nomatter what. And with the suport of China, Russia, India and the 5 EU ones etc, it will forever be a mess. As I said, I am feeling sorry of the people. Because when all this bulls¤¤t of war, martyrs, weapons etc has been laid to rest and all the internationals have left in 20-25 years, there is only a bit of cold, poor, dark place left. You see, without the internationals eating on restaurants, paying rents, cleaning, buying groceries there will not be so much money around. And EU are sending home about 100 ex refugees every single week that have been sending money before.

mms although there is some truth in what you say about Tadic and company going through the motions on kosovo with no visible result, on the other hand it is true that the majority of Serbian people know there is no other choice.

Sure, we can argue about whether we should sue, whether it would help (or hinder our cause) by obstructing the internationals at every turn in Kosovo. But, the truth is that the result is exactly the same.

So we have something like a charade and lets face it money wasted as well.

But I can't see how your implication that war be used as a means of regaining Kosovo would help. In case you hadn't noticed the soldier method failed last time, and this time we have international forces to contend with and you had better believe that it would take an extremely unlikely situation to occur to prevent a number of powerful countries to attack Serbia if Serbia attampted to use its forces to retake kosovo.

This is not an option and the only possible result would be a new wave of Serb refugees fleeing Kosovo forever to Serbia proper.

No, the fact of the matter is that we must be realistic about the situation.

Our position should be to sit down and neogitate with Kosovo Albanians about a stable and lasting peace and how best to build a prosperous future.

kufr the only thing I'm proposing is that this is about the end result, not about fighting or surrendering.

This certainly isn't about us congratulating ourselves for (going down) fighting and sacrificing the futures of remaining kosovo serbs.

The whole concept of fighting to lose is alien to me and more often than not other people are hurt as a result of such tactics.