Tadić addresses MPs ahead of voting

"He also addressed ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, stating that Serbia was protecting its legitimate interest, and that it would "never lead a war in Kosovo".

OK Mr. Tadic, say we believe you right now! But what if you are not in power in the future in Serbia and something happens in international relations which provides an opportunity for a more radical leader of Serbia to re-enact the Battle of Kosovo?

What then?

We are not stupid Mr. Tadic, we know independence will not solve all our problems, but it gives our children a fighting chance should something change in the future and Serbia is radicalized once again, as it has so many times in the past.

He said that he wanted to reassure Serbs and non-Albanians in Kosovo that Serbia was not giving up on its fight for Kosovo, that the country care for their interests and would continue to do so.

He also addressed ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, stating that Serbia was protecting its legitimate interest, and that it would "never lead a war in Kosovo".


Reading the first paragraph and than the second one, you will see so much contradiction.

(Nick KS, 27 July 2010 11:16)

You hit the nail on the head with that comment.

In a normal country whose government had conducted and instigated a policy of seeking the decision of the ICJ and that policy had been proven to be a disaster would have resigned.
Tadic has neither the character nor the shame to go.Nor does he take any responsibility.A normal opposition would have told him to go but not in Serbia.
The show goes on.More talks on getting a compromise, of regional stability bla bla bla.
The lack of credibility, the vacuous language, the carrying on of a policy which has collapsed beggars belief.
You Tadic should do the decent thing and go.Your government has been a national disaster.
Vojvodina and sanzak next chump!

"
Maybe you, PRN, Olf, Kosova-USA, nikshala, Beni, lili, Amer, JohnC, Lenard, along with Joe and Captain Frisco can lead an assault on the parliament in Novi Sad and declare independence."

Why would I (or anyone else) want to attack the Vojvodina parliament building??? As far as I can tell, they're doing a fine job there, all by themselves.

"why Novi sad, why not Belfast? Just an idea.
I can tell that you are so bitter that IRA could not achieve ,what KLA did achieve for a very short time."
Kosova-USA

The IRA was just a bunch of amateurs compared to the KLA.

with all due respect to my president ...."playing nice" with those who play to win by any means will leave you scratching your head thinking WHAT HAPPENED !

when u leave several options off the table and your counterpart refuses to do the same that is a recipe for one loss after the other

kosovo is your land you dictate the terms if others wont allow you to play with them because of this ..TOUGH!!

is it better to be rich without your soul or poor with your soul?????

Reading the first paragraph and than the second one, you will see so much contradiction.
(Kosova-USA,

Not at all its called compromise.

I would imagine that a situation in which all Kosovans who wish to be a part of Serbia will have that right and all Albanians who wish to be Independant will have that right.

Everyone gets to keep their own badges, their own identity, their own idea of freedom. Once we agree on that then we can start solving the practical issues, taxation healthcare etc... and guess what if Serbia and Kosovo are in the EU then these issues and differences will be gradually obsorbed into the EU as no matter what your ethnicity you will be paying EU taxes etc etc... EU healthcare and EU handouts the last of which everyone in Pristina is already used to.

Nik,

I fully agree that Tadic's policy has been disastrous. But if you look at it from nationalists's (nikolic) perspective, backing Tadic at this point in time is a win-win scenario for them.

If Tadic wins at the UN GA the nationalists can say that they made it all possible by not boycoting his policies in the Serbian Parliament.

If Tadic losses, the nationalists win the elections.

"He added that there was "no way" Serbia could defend its integrity in Kosovo without good relations with the international community—namely, "the U.S., Russia, India and China". "

So, the Russian and Chinese ambassadors are suggesting a climb-down - they backed Serbia in going to the GA, but aren't going out on any more limbs for them. Message: make the best deal you can with the EU, and we'll help you sell it as a famous victory.

Maybe you, PRN, Olf, Kosova-USA, nikshala, Beni, lili, Amer, JohnC, Lenard, along with Joe and Captain Frisco can lead an assault on the parliament in Novi Sad and declare independence. It would be the shortest UDI in history as the police would soon eject soon to be followed by a good kick in the backside from Mr. Sandor Egeresi for disrupting business and being such a total eejit.
(Niall O'Doherty, 27 July 2010 16:31)

why Novi sad, why not Belfast? Just an idea.
I can tell that you are so bitter that IRA could not achieve ,what KLA did achieve for a very short time.

"So, the Russian and Chinese ambassadors are suggesting a climb-down - they backed Serbia in going to the GA, but aren't going out on any more limbs for them. Message: make the best deal you can with the EU, and we'll help you sell it as a famous victory.
(Amer, 27 July 2010 15:57) "

Where did you get the info that the Russians and Chinese are urging the Serbians to cave in? Or, much more likely, it is just your wishful thinking?

Do provide us with your source if what you wrote is credible, we are all waiting with bated breath!

bganon,

I accept the fact that negotiations are necessary in order to promote peace and avoid even the slightest possibility of future conflict.

However, such negotiations will have to be conducted in an atmosphere of mutual trust and understanding. The key concepts here are ‘trust’ and ‘understanding’. Trust is something that does not exist and actually never really existed between our two people. My opinion is that the only way that trust can be regained is if we negotiate as equals.

We can not take Serbia’s word for it. We took Yugoslavia’s word for it in the 1970’s and 29 years later 800,000 of us ended up in refugee camps and 2 million of us with terrible memories of war that we would not wish on our worst enemies and god forbid our children in the future should some Serb politician have another dream of Serbian grandeur.

At this moment, while you talk of peace and negotiations, the Kosovar Albanians find themselves about 15-20 Serbian MP’s (not sure of the exact number but its pretty close) short of a nationalist Serbian government that wants them thrown over the mountains to Albania.

As far as Tadic managing to carry the opposition, I think we both know that for the opposition, supporting Tadic at this time is a win-win proposition.

Universal Serbian sobriety and thoughtfulness in the face of the worse kind of murder, lies and affrontery is an example to us all. Tadic has tried to say many things that are true for Serbs and will continue to be true. "Negotiatians" is the key term here. But negotiations require risking confrontations with reality and the Albanians and their enablers cannot afford this. The Serbs will endure in Kosovo and it will again be theirs. The relentless gravity of history is with them.

If Tadic losses, the nationalists win the elections.
(Nick KS, 27 July 2010 14:26)

- Maybe thats what the Albanian nationalists want. Undermine the moderates and when Nikolic and Voja gets in, it will provide another convenient excuse for you lot not to talk. We have a saying for this kind of behaviour back home - changing the goalposts.

Vojvodina and sanzak next chump!
(Nik, 27 July 2010 13:12)

Hate to disappoint a rabid Serb hater like you who would gladly wish for Serbia to be wiped from the map... the Sandjak and Vojvodina are going nowhere.

Maybe you, PRN, Olf, Kosova-USA, nikshala, Beni, lili, Amer, JohnC, Lenard, along with Joe and Captain Frisco can lead an assault on the parliament in Novi Sad and declare independence. It would be the shortest UDI in history as the police would soon eject soon to be followed by a good kick in the backside from Mr. Sandor Egeresi for disrupting business and being such a total eejit.

Nick your position is a legitimate one from your perspective.

However, the political atmosphere is not something that appears from nowhere, it is influenced by outside factors as well as internal ones.

The best possible guarantee for Kosovo Albanians (and Serbs) to protect against future conflict is to enter into negotiations.

Besides, even if you don't have much interest in Serbia, other than concerning how it affects Kosovo, you must admit if Tadic can manage to carry most of the opposition and his government after losing the ICJ - how likely is a radical government really.

Frankly, I'm also amazed that Tadic has the opposition eating out of the palm of his hand. Its not healthy for democracy, however, when you look at the alternative...

This is my 2cents on this whole mess. If Serbia had a chance to do what they did 11 years ago they would do it again. If kosovar Albanians had a chance to remove all the Serbs from Kosovo they would have done it. So whatever Tadic or Thaci says it's all a big show for external consumption. The truth is , we hate each-other, and that is to put it mildly. I also hope that everybody is not that naive to think that Kosovo will be part of Serbia again ( the Albanian part at list). Now since is allredy established the way we fill about each-other then there exists the solution of the territorial exchange.This is one viable solution but at which Europe , USA and our politicians do not agree. The other solution would be the exchange of people ( like Greece and Turkey dud a while a go). I hope I contributed in the solution of this problem withought spreading hate since it was already here.

why Novi sad, why not Belfast? Just an idea.
I can tell that you are so bitter that IRA could not achieve ,what KLA did achieve for a very short time.
(Kosova-USA, 27 July 2010 18:27)

What did the KLA do without the US? NOTHING! So stop boasting when all the KLA did was hang onto the coat tail of the US.

Yes Nick trust is a part of it. But if we are to talk about trust you will refer to history, but trust Serbia has to embrace would be to deal with warlords, turned elected leaders.

Let me be clear you are talking about feelings of people and the concept of trust because of history. That is one barrier and some of that is psychological, but its another thing entirely dealing with leaders of clans.

I really do pity the Kosovo Albanians for their leaders. I don't trust them not only to do right by Serbs, but also to do right by Albanians.

But my desires are not important when compared with the importance of peace and the future.

Its very easy to say that a large number of Serb MPs would like to remove Albanians from Kosovo to Albania. Its also very easy to say that even higher percentage of Kosovo Albanian MPs would like to see Serbs removed from Kosovo altogether.

But its a blind alleyway to talk about this, helps nobody.

Is supporting Tadic a win win position for the Serb Radical Party? My memory is pretty good and usually the Serbian opposition will do anything to undercut the ruling government and the kosovo issue as you know has been used to do so. It would be very easy to attack the Serbian government and take an ultranationalist position on Kosovo.

I don't think its clever politicially to agree with Tadic and essentially agree with defeat at the ICJ. But where Tadic has got them is that he has persuaded the media that Serbia has done everything it can. People know that Tadic inherited the situation, so its harder to make him to blame for the situation.

The IRA was just a bunch of amateurs compared to the KLA.
(Joe, 27 July 2010 19:05)

Yes Joe, the KLA were 'professionals' at ethnic cleansing, drug trafficking, pimping and other aspects of organised crime that the IRA never were. In that aspect the IRA were indeed amatures.

I have just outlined a couple of things you can proudly boast about the 'professional' KLA. I'm not surpirsed to see an Arrow Cross supporter express fellow sympathies for his fellow fascist kin.

Anyway Joe, when are the 'professionals' from Budapest going to take back Vojvodina? The Jobbik boys are doing alot of marching lately.

He added that there was "no way" Serbia could defend its integrity in Kosovo without good relations with the international community—namely, "the U.S., Russia, India and China".

“Without the international community, we cannot find a solution for the Kosovo question. It is impossible in conditions of isolation and confrontation, especially with the greatest powers,” he said
=================

Mr Tadic, as far as I know we already have great relations with all of those except the US, so how can you say Serbia will be isolated then?

Good relations are not a way way street. You need both countries to want to have them and as far as I can see the US wants nothing good for Serbia. If they are willing to take our land then they are not worried about having good relations with us. How can you achieve that and still fight for Kosovo? Please do tell us.

Russia, China and India are three out of four. No threat of isolation from them and they are in the majority.
Time to cut the spin.

Reading the first paragraph and than the second one, you will see so much contradiction.
(Kosova-USA,

Not at all its called compromise.

I would imagine that a situation in which all Kosovans who wish to be a part of Serbia will have that right and all Albanians who wish to be Independant will have that right.

Everyone gets to keep their own badges, their own identity, their own idea of freedom. Once we agree on that then we can start solving the practical issues, taxation healthcare etc... and guess what if Serbia and Kosovo are in the EU then these issues and differences will be gradually obsorbed into the EU as no matter what your ethnicity you will be paying EU taxes etc etc... EU healthcare and EU handouts the last of which everyone in Pristina is already used to.

"He also addressed ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, stating that Serbia was protecting its legitimate interest, and that it would "never lead a war in Kosovo".

OK Mr. Tadic, say we believe you right now! But what if you are not in power in the future in Serbia and something happens in international relations which provides an opportunity for a more radical leader of Serbia to re-enact the Battle of Kosovo?

What then?

We are not stupid Mr. Tadic, we know independence will not solve all our problems, but it gives our children a fighting chance should something change in the future and Serbia is radicalized once again, as it has so many times in the past.

He said that he wanted to reassure Serbs and non-Albanians in Kosovo that Serbia was not giving up on its fight for Kosovo, that the country care for their interests and would continue to do so.

He also addressed ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, stating that Serbia was protecting its legitimate interest, and that it would "never lead a war in Kosovo".


Reading the first paragraph and than the second one, you will see so much contradiction.

If Tadic losses, the nationalists win the elections.
(Nick KS, 27 July 2010 14:26)

- Maybe thats what the Albanian nationalists want. Undermine the moderates and when Nikolic and Voja gets in, it will provide another convenient excuse for you lot not to talk. We have a saying for this kind of behaviour back home - changing the goalposts.

Vojvodina and sanzak next chump!
(Nik, 27 July 2010 13:12)

Hate to disappoint a rabid Serb hater like you who would gladly wish for Serbia to be wiped from the map... the Sandjak and Vojvodina are going nowhere.

Maybe you, PRN, Olf, Kosova-USA, nikshala, Beni, lili, Amer, JohnC, Lenard, along with Joe and Captain Frisco can lead an assault on the parliament in Novi Sad and declare independence. It would be the shortest UDI in history as the police would soon eject soon to be followed by a good kick in the backside from Mr. Sandor Egeresi for disrupting business and being such a total eejit.

This is my 2cents on this whole mess. If Serbia had a chance to do what they did 11 years ago they would do it again. If kosovar Albanians had a chance to remove all the Serbs from Kosovo they would have done it. So whatever Tadic or Thaci says it's all a big show for external consumption. The truth is , we hate each-other, and that is to put it mildly. I also hope that everybody is not that naive to think that Kosovo will be part of Serbia again ( the Albanian part at list). Now since is allredy established the way we fill about each-other then there exists the solution of the territorial exchange.This is one viable solution but at which Europe , USA and our politicians do not agree. The other solution would be the exchange of people ( like Greece and Turkey dud a while a go). I hope I contributed in the solution of this problem withought spreading hate since it was already here.

(Nick KS, 27 July 2010 11:16)

You hit the nail on the head with that comment.

Universal Serbian sobriety and thoughtfulness in the face of the worse kind of murder, lies and affrontery is an example to us all. Tadic has tried to say many things that are true for Serbs and will continue to be true. "Negotiatians" is the key term here. But negotiations require risking confrontations with reality and the Albanians and their enablers cannot afford this. The Serbs will endure in Kosovo and it will again be theirs. The relentless gravity of history is with them.

In a normal country whose government had conducted and instigated a policy of seeking the decision of the ICJ and that policy had been proven to be a disaster would have resigned.
Tadic has neither the character nor the shame to go.Nor does he take any responsibility.A normal opposition would have told him to go but not in Serbia.
The show goes on.More talks on getting a compromise, of regional stability bla bla bla.
The lack of credibility, the vacuous language, the carrying on of a policy which has collapsed beggars belief.
You Tadic should do the decent thing and go.Your government has been a national disaster.
Vojvodina and sanzak next chump!

bganon,

I accept the fact that negotiations are necessary in order to promote peace and avoid even the slightest possibility of future conflict.

However, such negotiations will have to be conducted in an atmosphere of mutual trust and understanding. The key concepts here are ‘trust’ and ‘understanding’. Trust is something that does not exist and actually never really existed between our two people. My opinion is that the only way that trust can be regained is if we negotiate as equals.

We can not take Serbia’s word for it. We took Yugoslavia’s word for it in the 1970’s and 29 years later 800,000 of us ended up in refugee camps and 2 million of us with terrible memories of war that we would not wish on our worst enemies and god forbid our children in the future should some Serb politician have another dream of Serbian grandeur.

At this moment, while you talk of peace and negotiations, the Kosovar Albanians find themselves about 15-20 Serbian MP’s (not sure of the exact number but its pretty close) short of a nationalist Serbian government that wants them thrown over the mountains to Albania.

As far as Tadic managing to carry the opposition, I think we both know that for the opposition, supporting Tadic at this time is a win-win proposition.

Maybe you, PRN, Olf, Kosova-USA, nikshala, Beni, lili, Amer, JohnC, Lenard, along with Joe and Captain Frisco can lead an assault on the parliament in Novi Sad and declare independence. It would be the shortest UDI in history as the police would soon eject soon to be followed by a good kick in the backside from Mr. Sandor Egeresi for disrupting business and being such a total eejit.
(Niall O'Doherty, 27 July 2010 16:31)

why Novi sad, why not Belfast? Just an idea.
I can tell that you are so bitter that IRA could not achieve ,what KLA did achieve for a very short time.

"He added that there was "no way" Serbia could defend its integrity in Kosovo without good relations with the international community—namely, "the U.S., Russia, India and China". "

So, the Russian and Chinese ambassadors are suggesting a climb-down - they backed Serbia in going to the GA, but aren't going out on any more limbs for them. Message: make the best deal you can with the EU, and we'll help you sell it as a famous victory.

"why Novi sad, why not Belfast? Just an idea.
I can tell that you are so bitter that IRA could not achieve ,what KLA did achieve for a very short time."
Kosova-USA

The IRA was just a bunch of amateurs compared to the KLA.

Nik,

I fully agree that Tadic's policy has been disastrous. But if you look at it from nationalists's (nikolic) perspective, backing Tadic at this point in time is a win-win scenario for them.

If Tadic wins at the UN GA the nationalists can say that they made it all possible by not boycoting his policies in the Serbian Parliament.

If Tadic losses, the nationalists win the elections.

Nick your position is a legitimate one from your perspective.

However, the political atmosphere is not something that appears from nowhere, it is influenced by outside factors as well as internal ones.

The best possible guarantee for Kosovo Albanians (and Serbs) to protect against future conflict is to enter into negotiations.

Besides, even if you don't have much interest in Serbia, other than concerning how it affects Kosovo, you must admit if Tadic can manage to carry most of the opposition and his government after losing the ICJ - how likely is a radical government really.

Frankly, I'm also amazed that Tadic has the opposition eating out of the palm of his hand. Its not healthy for democracy, however, when you look at the alternative...

"
Maybe you, PRN, Olf, Kosova-USA, nikshala, Beni, lili, Amer, JohnC, Lenard, along with Joe and Captain Frisco can lead an assault on the parliament in Novi Sad and declare independence."

Why would I (or anyone else) want to attack the Vojvodina parliament building??? As far as I can tell, they're doing a fine job there, all by themselves.

"So, the Russian and Chinese ambassadors are suggesting a climb-down - they backed Serbia in going to the GA, but aren't going out on any more limbs for them. Message: make the best deal you can with the EU, and we'll help you sell it as a famous victory.
(Amer, 27 July 2010 15:57) "

Where did you get the info that the Russians and Chinese are urging the Serbians to cave in? Or, much more likely, it is just your wishful thinking?

Do provide us with your source if what you wrote is credible, we are all waiting with bated breath!

with all due respect to my president ...."playing nice" with those who play to win by any means will leave you scratching your head thinking WHAT HAPPENED !

when u leave several options off the table and your counterpart refuses to do the same that is a recipe for one loss after the other

kosovo is your land you dictate the terms if others wont allow you to play with them because of this ..TOUGH!!

is it better to be rich without your soul or poor with your soul?????

Yes Nick trust is a part of it. But if we are to talk about trust you will refer to history, but trust Serbia has to embrace would be to deal with warlords, turned elected leaders.

Let me be clear you are talking about feelings of people and the concept of trust because of history. That is one barrier and some of that is psychological, but its another thing entirely dealing with leaders of clans.

I really do pity the Kosovo Albanians for their leaders. I don't trust them not only to do right by Serbs, but also to do right by Albanians.

But my desires are not important when compared with the importance of peace and the future.

Its very easy to say that a large number of Serb MPs would like to remove Albanians from Kosovo to Albania. Its also very easy to say that even higher percentage of Kosovo Albanian MPs would like to see Serbs removed from Kosovo altogether.

But its a blind alleyway to talk about this, helps nobody.

Is supporting Tadic a win win position for the Serb Radical Party? My memory is pretty good and usually the Serbian opposition will do anything to undercut the ruling government and the kosovo issue as you know has been used to do so. It would be very easy to attack the Serbian government and take an ultranationalist position on Kosovo.

I don't think its clever politicially to agree with Tadic and essentially agree with defeat at the ICJ. But where Tadic has got them is that he has persuaded the media that Serbia has done everything it can. People know that Tadic inherited the situation, so its harder to make him to blame for the situation.

He added that there was "no way" Serbia could defend its integrity in Kosovo without good relations with the international community—namely, "the U.S., Russia, India and China".

“Without the international community, we cannot find a solution for the Kosovo question. It is impossible in conditions of isolation and confrontation, especially with the greatest powers,” he said
=================

Mr Tadic, as far as I know we already have great relations with all of those except the US, so how can you say Serbia will be isolated then?

Good relations are not a way way street. You need both countries to want to have them and as far as I can see the US wants nothing good for Serbia. If they are willing to take our land then they are not worried about having good relations with us. How can you achieve that and still fight for Kosovo? Please do tell us.

Russia, China and India are three out of four. No threat of isolation from them and they are in the majority.
Time to cut the spin.

why Novi sad, why not Belfast? Just an idea.
I can tell that you are so bitter that IRA could not achieve ,what KLA did achieve for a very short time.
(Kosova-USA, 27 July 2010 18:27)

What did the KLA do without the US? NOTHING! So stop boasting when all the KLA did was hang onto the coat tail of the US.

The IRA was just a bunch of amateurs compared to the KLA.
(Joe, 27 July 2010 19:05)

Yes Joe, the KLA were 'professionals' at ethnic cleansing, drug trafficking, pimping and other aspects of organised crime that the IRA never were. In that aspect the IRA were indeed amatures.

I have just outlined a couple of things you can proudly boast about the 'professional' KLA. I'm not surpirsed to see an Arrow Cross supporter express fellow sympathies for his fellow fascist kin.

Anyway Joe, when are the 'professionals' from Budapest going to take back Vojvodina? The Jobbik boys are doing alot of marching lately.