FM: New negotiations Serbia’s goal

Seriously, what does Vuk expect? He cannot be so blind or short-sighted to believe that this will achieve anything but another defeat. The reason why this can be said are the cirmustances itself how the ICJ has been triggered in the first place. Out of 192 only 77 states supported Serbia's will to start the ICJ process, a some of those coutries such as Norway even recognized Kosovo by that time. How can Vuk possibly think that now after that very clear and for Serbia very unfarovable ruling to get a majority vote in General Assembly? Of course, he is free to do so, but I believe that it will only backfire, just as the ICJ did.

“We have clearly defined red lines which we cannot cross. We cannot even give indirect approval of the effort of the Kosovo Albanians to unilaterally secede from Serbia. This must be crystal clear in the resolution,” Jeremić said.


You can say the above till you trun blue Vuk, but to no avail.
Reading the above coment, I am wondering what negotiations Vuk is talking about.

FM Vuk was the one that asked for ICJ and now he does not honor that opinion. Either way,FM Vuk has proven to be an ambasol for Serbia.He should leave poltics for good.

Vuk this is how the headline should read. BELGRADE -- Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić said that Serbia does not want a frozen conflict in the Country of Bosnia i Herzegovina and hopes for new negotiations. He added that Serbia hopes that the danger of secession of the Srpska would be “shut down by an appropriate conclusion before the UN General Assembly.” But we do not expect much from the Serbs or any kind of fairness if it is in to their hypocritical advantage. Even though they made the horrendous mess in the neighbourhood now you want Serbia to be taken seriously get real.

highduke spin it, spin it.
Italy and Bulgaria has mentioned nothing about status negotiations like Serbia insists on. Nearly everyone has been talking that negotiations on technical issues is necessary even the Kosovo govt. The difference is what the talks would cover. No one that has recognized Kosovo are advocating opening the door on status.
But if you can fool the Serbian people into believeing that those behind closed doors talks are about status then have at it, however they are the only ones gullible enough to believe it.

Lenerd,

You seem to whine alot and are extemely anti-Serb, to the point of racist/xenophobic. Sadly this is one of the mirror reflections and products, your countries, WW2 regime also shared. Hopefully one day, you will be rehabilitated, as sadly your venomous hate, makes you an extemely weak individual.

He reiterated that the decision of the International Court of Justice has “opened Pandora’s box,” because it increases the danger of secessionist movements in other parts of the world.


Priceless.So Jeremic and the Serbs are worried about the world? I got a news for you guys. Nobody will ever ask Jeremic or the Serbs or the Albanians how to solve problems around the world. It is very low to betray and put your best allies on the spot like Jeremic is doing. Look how Spain,Azerbaijan,Sri Lanka have rejected any "Kosovo Precedent" similarities with their separatist areas. Go ahead Jeremic and say that Catalonia and the Basques are similar to Kosovo.

We've already heard Italy & Bulgaria, which recognized the UDI, supporting Serbia's foreign policy objective for new negotiations just 2 days after this ICJ verdict, which may suggest the verdict was pointless for our Albanians since they've been avoiding new negotiations from the start.

"Answer questions regarding the possible partition of Kosovo, Jeremić said that Serbia is focused on starting talks that would lead to a solution of compromise." (B92)

-- You know, if after all of this these negotiations only result in a land swap between northern Kosovo and Presevo, this will have been the most underwhelming ending to a decade-long conflict.

We've just spent 2 years getting a decision at the ICJ and thousands of air miles incessantly talking about new negotiations.
We're now back on this groundhog day chant of new megotiations.
There will be no NEW NEGOTIATIONS. Have some self respect! Stop fooling the Serb people with this nonsense. Resign all of you.You are a joke!!

I have a question. Now Albanians are pacified when waterboarded Icj told them declaration is worth the paper it's written on but oh, not much more :), so, does it mean they'll stop throwing grenades on Serbs and shooting Albanian collaborators trying to blame us?

I hope that's what it means, we don't need violence. We need negotiations. If our Albanians like to live in frozen yogurt limbo forever that's fine by us too :)
But I recommend negotiations.

The US put a tremendous amount of pressure on the western members of the Court even to the detriment of the ICJ itself because it is DESPERATE. The US has destroyed the ICJ not because I say so as a Serb but a Court can’t deliver a judgment that says “you can only be half pregnant”. Kosovo is either a state or not – you can’t have it both ways.
(sj, 26 July 2010 10:41)
You have credible proof on this. What type of presure did the US put on these judges?? Presenting a valid argument.
I guess we must blame someone, after all it is too hard to believe Serbia could be wrong.
It is amazing to what lengths the US will go to park a 1000 US soldiers at the infamous Camp Bondsteel, hhahahahhahahha!
Of course that was not fair, only those who have been there, know how funny the concept really is.

The ICJ has applied the equivalent to the "right to free speech" but it does not endorse what has been declared. That is its opinion.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

Voltaire himself would take back his own words in light of the ICJ opinion since the UDI was not given under right in as much as it was not forbidden.

I wonder if in this Government there’s someone who will say that he is personally responsible for loosing the ICJ round of the fight for Kosovo ? What if instead of his every day bullsheeeeet all of a sudden Vuk will say that he assumes his own guilt for worsening Serbia’s negotiation positions ? What if he stops making any statements until an idea comes to mind ? What if other Serbian leaders stop aggravating the situation by stupid talks ? What if they work out another plan for Kosovo and accept the US strategy of making a problems and coming to solve them ? Say in Bosnia … If so then Dodik should applaud the ICJ … Serbia needs creative leaders not suspected in collaboration with the enemies. Only time will show if starting the ICJ procedure was a mistake or a pre-calculated treason.

Cheers Serbia ! We’ll be back cause nothing can break us down !

The thing that I am curious about is most if not all posters here are exposed to international sources of information, yet you place an apple on the table, label it an apple, have experts confirm its an apple, everyone in the room calls it an apple but posters here call it an orange. One has to wonder what the large population of Serbians that rely on Serbian news sources and the govt really think?
(doodah, 26 July 2010 02:40)

You rely on the free western media which began to shout “Freedom for Kosovo” – read the entire judgement. In reality while the ICJ did state the Albos action was not illegal, it did NOT say that Kosovo should be recognized and that was the critical part. The US put a tremendous amount of pressure on the western members of the Court even to the detriment of the ICJ itself because it is DESPERATE. The US has destroyed the ICJ not because I say so as a Serb but a Court can’t deliver a judgment that says “you can only be half pregnant”. Kosovo is either a state or not – you can’t have it both ways.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L13320702.htm
I tried to send this through earlier but It did'nt make it. The Albos are right we are having our energy sapped on this one and Jero who I held in high stead aint what he seems to be. The DS is cooked the only way now before it's too late is to take the Serb inhabited areas, which would be a tirley acceptable solution for both camps after relinquishing Presevo. The West will find that acceptable as they will not get a mandate for war over a realistic solution and such a small consession. Hard and fast operation with zero casualties will be the perfect formula.

The thing that I am curious about is most if not all posters here are exposed to international sources of information, yet you place an apple on the table, label it an apple, have experts confirm its an apple, everyone in the room calls it an apple but posters here call it an orange. One has to wonder what the large population of Serbians that rely on Serbian news sources and the govt really think?

In the Western world when a major policy fails badly, the main proponent behind that policy resigns. In my view, given how much political capital Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić has invested in the issue of the ICJ opinion on Kosovo, it's time for him to resign. Don't you all think so?!

Vuk Jeremic is right to say that a Pandora's box has been opened. Other states may not feel that the ICJ UDI Q&O (Question & Opinion) impacts them but it certainly impacts the minorities of valid and sovereign states who now may be rightly or wrongly emboldened in their secessionist aspirations. (Vive le Quebec libre, s'il vous plait?)

So the question now is how do states deal with minority secessionists who declare their intent? That will be left up to the UN General Assembly because the ICJ opinion has only threaded the needle.

Look how Spain,Azerbaijan,Sri Lanka have rejected any "Kosovo Precedent" similarities with their separatist areas. Go ahead Jeremic and say that Catalonia and the Basques are similar to Kosovo.
(Mark, 25 July 2010 21:57)
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Then the reason they are supporting Serbia must be their committment to doing the right thing and not, as you guys always say, that they have the same problems and that's why they support Serbia.
Obviousy they have high principals and morals unlike some.

We've already heard Italy & Bulgaria, which recognized the UDI, supporting Serbia's foreign policy objective for new negotiations just 2 days after this ICJ verdict, which may suggest the verdict was pointless for our Albanians since they've been avoiding new negotiations from the start.

I have a question. Now Albanians are pacified when waterboarded Icj told them declaration is worth the paper it's written on but oh, not much more :), so, does it mean they'll stop throwing grenades on Serbs and shooting Albanian collaborators trying to blame us?

I hope that's what it means, we don't need violence. We need negotiations. If our Albanians like to live in frozen yogurt limbo forever that's fine by us too :)
But I recommend negotiations.

Lenerd,

You seem to whine alot and are extemely anti-Serb, to the point of racist/xenophobic. Sadly this is one of the mirror reflections and products, your countries, WW2 regime also shared. Hopefully one day, you will be rehabilitated, as sadly your venomous hate, makes you an extemely weak individual.

I wonder if in this Government there’s someone who will say that he is personally responsible for loosing the ICJ round of the fight for Kosovo ? What if instead of his every day bullsheeeeet all of a sudden Vuk will say that he assumes his own guilt for worsening Serbia’s negotiation positions ? What if he stops making any statements until an idea comes to mind ? What if other Serbian leaders stop aggravating the situation by stupid talks ? What if they work out another plan for Kosovo and accept the US strategy of making a problems and coming to solve them ? Say in Bosnia … If so then Dodik should applaud the ICJ … Serbia needs creative leaders not suspected in collaboration with the enemies. Only time will show if starting the ICJ procedure was a mistake or a pre-calculated treason.

Cheers Serbia ! We’ll be back cause nothing can break us down !

Vuk this is how the headline should read. BELGRADE -- Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić said that Serbia does not want a frozen conflict in the Country of Bosnia i Herzegovina and hopes for new negotiations. He added that Serbia hopes that the danger of secession of the Srpska would be “shut down by an appropriate conclusion before the UN General Assembly.” But we do not expect much from the Serbs or any kind of fairness if it is in to their hypocritical advantage. Even though they made the horrendous mess in the neighbourhood now you want Serbia to be taken seriously get real.

Seriously, what does Vuk expect? He cannot be so blind or short-sighted to believe that this will achieve anything but another defeat. The reason why this can be said are the cirmustances itself how the ICJ has been triggered in the first place. Out of 192 only 77 states supported Serbia's will to start the ICJ process, a some of those coutries such as Norway even recognized Kosovo by that time. How can Vuk possibly think that now after that very clear and for Serbia very unfarovable ruling to get a majority vote in General Assembly? Of course, he is free to do so, but I believe that it will only backfire, just as the ICJ did.

"Answer questions regarding the possible partition of Kosovo, Jeremić said that Serbia is focused on starting talks that would lead to a solution of compromise." (B92)

-- You know, if after all of this these negotiations only result in a land swap between northern Kosovo and Presevo, this will have been the most underwhelming ending to a decade-long conflict.

“We have clearly defined red lines which we cannot cross. We cannot even give indirect approval of the effort of the Kosovo Albanians to unilaterally secede from Serbia. This must be crystal clear in the resolution,” Jeremić said.


You can say the above till you trun blue Vuk, but to no avail.
Reading the above coment, I am wondering what negotiations Vuk is talking about.

FM Vuk was the one that asked for ICJ and now he does not honor that opinion. Either way,FM Vuk has proven to be an ambasol for Serbia.He should leave poltics for good.

highduke spin it, spin it.
Italy and Bulgaria has mentioned nothing about status negotiations like Serbia insists on. Nearly everyone has been talking that negotiations on technical issues is necessary even the Kosovo govt. The difference is what the talks would cover. No one that has recognized Kosovo are advocating opening the door on status.
But if you can fool the Serbian people into believeing that those behind closed doors talks are about status then have at it, however they are the only ones gullible enough to believe it.

We've just spent 2 years getting a decision at the ICJ and thousands of air miles incessantly talking about new negotiations.
We're now back on this groundhog day chant of new megotiations.
There will be no NEW NEGOTIATIONS. Have some self respect! Stop fooling the Serb people with this nonsense. Resign all of you.You are a joke!!

The ICJ has applied the equivalent to the "right to free speech" but it does not endorse what has been declared. That is its opinion.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire

Voltaire himself would take back his own words in light of the ICJ opinion since the UDI was not given under right in as much as it was not forbidden.

He reiterated that the decision of the International Court of Justice has “opened Pandora’s box,” because it increases the danger of secessionist movements in other parts of the world.


Priceless.So Jeremic and the Serbs are worried about the world? I got a news for you guys. Nobody will ever ask Jeremic or the Serbs or the Albanians how to solve problems around the world. It is very low to betray and put your best allies on the spot like Jeremic is doing. Look how Spain,Azerbaijan,Sri Lanka have rejected any "Kosovo Precedent" similarities with their separatist areas. Go ahead Jeremic and say that Catalonia and the Basques are similar to Kosovo.

Vuk Jeremic is right to say that a Pandora's box has been opened. Other states may not feel that the ICJ UDI Q&O (Question & Opinion) impacts them but it certainly impacts the minorities of valid and sovereign states who now may be rightly or wrongly emboldened in their secessionist aspirations. (Vive le Quebec libre, s'il vous plait?)

So the question now is how do states deal with minority secessionists who declare their intent? That will be left up to the UN General Assembly because the ICJ opinion has only threaded the needle.

The thing that I am curious about is most if not all posters here are exposed to international sources of information, yet you place an apple on the table, label it an apple, have experts confirm its an apple, everyone in the room calls it an apple but posters here call it an orange. One has to wonder what the large population of Serbians that rely on Serbian news sources and the govt really think?
(doodah, 26 July 2010 02:40)

You rely on the free western media which began to shout “Freedom for Kosovo” – read the entire judgement. In reality while the ICJ did state the Albos action was not illegal, it did NOT say that Kosovo should be recognized and that was the critical part. The US put a tremendous amount of pressure on the western members of the Court even to the detriment of the ICJ itself because it is DESPERATE. The US has destroyed the ICJ not because I say so as a Serb but a Court can’t deliver a judgment that says “you can only be half pregnant”. Kosovo is either a state or not – you can’t have it both ways.

In the Western world when a major policy fails badly, the main proponent behind that policy resigns. In my view, given how much political capital Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremić has invested in the issue of the ICJ opinion on Kosovo, it's time for him to resign. Don't you all think so?!

The thing that I am curious about is most if not all posters here are exposed to international sources of information, yet you place an apple on the table, label it an apple, have experts confirm its an apple, everyone in the room calls it an apple but posters here call it an orange. One has to wonder what the large population of Serbians that rely on Serbian news sources and the govt really think?

The US put a tremendous amount of pressure on the western members of the Court even to the detriment of the ICJ itself because it is DESPERATE. The US has destroyed the ICJ not because I say so as a Serb but a Court can’t deliver a judgment that says “you can only be half pregnant”. Kosovo is either a state or not – you can’t have it both ways.
(sj, 26 July 2010 10:41)
You have credible proof on this. What type of presure did the US put on these judges?? Presenting a valid argument.
I guess we must blame someone, after all it is too hard to believe Serbia could be wrong.
It is amazing to what lengths the US will go to park a 1000 US soldiers at the infamous Camp Bondsteel, hhahahahhahahha!
Of course that was not fair, only those who have been there, know how funny the concept really is.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L13320702.htm
I tried to send this through earlier but It did'nt make it. The Albos are right we are having our energy sapped on this one and Jero who I held in high stead aint what he seems to be. The DS is cooked the only way now before it's too late is to take the Serb inhabited areas, which would be a tirley acceptable solution for both camps after relinquishing Presevo. The West will find that acceptable as they will not get a mandate for war over a realistic solution and such a small consession. Hard and fast operation with zero casualties will be the perfect formula.

Look how Spain,Azerbaijan,Sri Lanka have rejected any "Kosovo Precedent" similarities with their separatist areas. Go ahead Jeremic and say that Catalonia and the Basques are similar to Kosovo.
(Mark, 25 July 2010 21:57)
====================

Then the reason they are supporting Serbia must be their committment to doing the right thing and not, as you guys always say, that they have the same problems and that's why they support Serbia.
Obviousy they have high principals and morals unlike some.