Do you see Serbia fighting Montenegro in order to keep it withing her borders?
Obviously Serbia does not object so where are you getting your info from?
Albanian school of yellow journalsim?
(Peggy, 26 July 2010 03:45)
Peggy
This is the first time I hear about Albanian school of yellow journalism.
I still stand by my comment I posted about the way Montenegro declared its independence. One will not be struggling at all trying to find widely known information on how Kostunica tried to prevent it and how he failed.
Probably the yellow journalism is attended by Serbian politicians who are trying to convince the world that ICJ did not answer the essential part of the question while the "essential" part is not what ICJ was asked.
The secession is not something that necessarily requires mutual agreement and also is never legalized by the courts. Declaration is issued to declare the territory independent and also declaration is issued from another country to recognize that territory as independent. So far I never heard of one country recognizing somebody by whispering.
Spain always talks about "dialogue", but it always does monologues. Spain will never admit new independent countries, since there are several nations within Spain that could demand for independence too.
Independence of Montenegro did not come as a result of mutual agreement either.
(Simpatiku, 25 July 2010 17:32)
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Do you see Serbia fighting Montenegro in order to keep it withing her borders?
Obviously Serbia does not object so where are you getting your info from?
Albanian school of yellow journalsim?
I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests.
(EA, 25 July 2010 21:57)
====================
Wow, earth shattering news. How about you tell us something we don't already know?
So how is that different from UK, US and the rest of your supporters?
"I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests."
(EA, 25 July 2010 21:57)
You are right, that is and was their reason not to recognize Kosovo.
And after this narrow ICJ ruling, it's still unclear if the creation of an independent state of Kosovo was legal or not.
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
Well do you know that your good friends, the serbs which cause you have been supporting for a long time,disagree with you? They don't miss a chance to remind the world that the Basques and Catalonia are the same as Kosovo.
I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests.
I guess Spain and (most other countries, too) wouldn't have any problem with a split off of Kosovo when it would have come as a mutual agreed solution between both parties, and not as an (maybe illegal) secession coming after a (legal) UDI.
(Top, 24 July 2010 15:14)
Independence of Montenegro did not come as a result of mutual agreement either.
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
madam,nobody else than you is drawning a paralel between serbian attitude tower kosovo(oppression and massacres)and spanish attitude in Catalonia...
And be serious,1995 is is so outdated that even you did recognize montenegro...
if you want your country to be identified with serbiaand its crimes against minorities,just go on
"She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
So Kosovo is a "sui generis" case then? Isn't this what the west has been saying for a long time? "
(Mark, 24 July 2010 20:54)
Now, after the ICJ ruling, we know that UDIs (only these) in general are legal. Yes, it was about the Kosovo UDI, but the ICJ didn't use the 'special case' argumentation, except for mentioning UN1244, which only applies to Kosovo - but only to find out that UN1244 doesn't mention an UDI anywhere, so an UDI it's not against it.
Should she have said: "So, my dear Catalan and Basque compatriots, I'm waiting for your UDIs now - the ICJ gave you the right to declare yourself independent" ?
It was meant to make spain appear "strong" on the international scene... With this decisive rulling, how long before its population sees their govts. nonsense for the feeble ploy it always was.
(AdamNYC, 24 July 2010 23:13)
=====================
As long as it take for ordinary Americans to see their government for what it truly is. Then what?
spain's stance was never meant for anything more than its own public's consumption.
but faking a principled stance not only loses its luster, but can backfire on the population your trying to impress when you are specifically running contrary to the international law you were pretending to be concerned with.
It was meant to make spain appear "strong" on the international scene... With this decisive rulling, how long before its population sees their govts. nonsense for the feeble ploy it always was.
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
So Kosovo is a "sui generis" case then? Isn't this what the west has been saying for a long time? See what happens when you allow yourself to be blackmailed by Serbia? All the supporters of Serbia one by one are distancing themselves from the "precedent case" and embracing the "sui generis case".First Azerbaijan now Spain, I am waiting for some one to ask the slovaks and greek cypriots if they think that their separatist areas are exactly like the Kosovo case.
"De la Vega added that Spain would continue to respect the UN resolution defining borders of the countries of the former Yugoslavia that was adopted after the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in 1995."
Funny, Spain is slowly going back in time. First it was 1999 and resolution 1244, now it is 1995. This example may be employed by Serbian government too(seriously). Do not invoke you are protecting international law with 1244 anymore. Invoke whatever international law and resolutions of 1995 Spain is talking about.
winston: "Viva Espana!". while you yell viva espania, don't forget to drink a bottle of vodka, and then just after you finished that bottle, drive fast while you go home.
"Spain will not violate the international law for long. "
(ben, 24 July 2010 16:03)
Where shall be the "violation of international law" when Spain simply doesn't recognize Kosovo? Did you maybe misunderstood the ICJ ruling that the legality of the UDI means the legality of secession and forming an own state? Then you are wrong, read the ruling more thorughly, please.
"Viva Espana! A true beacon of light, in supporting international law and justice. They are truly courages in standing up to the corrupt members of the EU and the US, who try to circumvent international laws any way they can to acheive their personal greedy goals. Again, VIVA ESPANA!
winston"
Winston, didn't you use the same words just days ago to praise Kazakhstan...a corrupt country with a poor record on human rights?
FYI, if you don't already know this, but Spain is looking out for it's best interests i.e. Catalonia.
If Spain ends up needing a bailout whom do you think it will crawl to?
"So Spain doesn't recognise Montenegro as independent either?"
(Ian, UK, 24 July 2010, 14:25)
I guess Spain and (most other countries, too) wouldn't have any problem with a split off of Kosovo when it would have come as a mutual agreed solution between both parties, and not as an (maybe illegal) secession coming after a (legal) UDI.
I'm in close contact with several Catalonians. They are very happy about the recent ruling of the ICJ. I have encouraged them to follow that development. Of course, they are anyway on a good road. Catalonia is the wealthiest part of the (current) Spanish state. It is only plausible that they are tired of being stuck with that bankrupt rest. Even the soccer wordcup belongs to Barcelona, not Madrid. But things are changing there, even before the ICJ.
Kosovo will be very happy to recognize the Rep. of Catalonia.
Viva Espana! A true beacon of light, in supporting international law and justice. They are truly courages in standing up to the corrupt members of the EU and the US, who try to circumvent international laws any way they can to acheive their personal greedy goals. Again, VIVA ESPANA!
"De la Vega added that Spain would continue to respect the UN resolution defining borders of the countries of the former Yugoslavia that was adopted after the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in 1995."
So Spain doesn't recognise Montenegro as independent either?
"De la Vega added that Spain would continue to respect the UN resolution defining borders of the countries of the former Yugoslavia that was adopted after the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in 1995."
So Spain doesn't recognise Montenegro as independent either?
Viva Espana! A true beacon of light, in supporting international law and justice. They are truly courages in standing up to the corrupt members of the EU and the US, who try to circumvent international laws any way they can to acheive their personal greedy goals. Again, VIVA ESPANA!
"Spain will not violate the international law for long. "
(ben, 24 July 2010 16:03)
Where shall be the "violation of international law" when Spain simply doesn't recognize Kosovo? Did you maybe misunderstood the ICJ ruling that the legality of the UDI means the legality of secession and forming an own state? Then you are wrong, read the ruling more thorughly, please.
winston: "Viva Espana!". while you yell viva espania, don't forget to drink a bottle of vodka, and then just after you finished that bottle, drive fast while you go home.
I'm in close contact with several Catalonians. They are very happy about the recent ruling of the ICJ. I have encouraged them to follow that development. Of course, they are anyway on a good road. Catalonia is the wealthiest part of the (current) Spanish state. It is only plausible that they are tired of being stuck with that bankrupt rest. Even the soccer wordcup belongs to Barcelona, not Madrid. But things are changing there, even before the ICJ.
Kosovo will be very happy to recognize the Rep. of Catalonia.
I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests.
"So Spain doesn't recognise Montenegro as independent either?"
(Ian, UK, 24 July 2010, 14:25)
I guess Spain and (most other countries, too) wouldn't have any problem with a split off of Kosovo when it would have come as a mutual agreed solution between both parties, and not as an (maybe illegal) secession coming after a (legal) UDI.
"De la Vega added that Spain would continue to respect the UN resolution defining borders of the countries of the former Yugoslavia that was adopted after the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in 1995."
Funny, Spain is slowly going back in time. First it was 1999 and resolution 1244, now it is 1995. This example may be employed by Serbian government too(seriously). Do not invoke you are protecting international law with 1244 anymore. Invoke whatever international law and resolutions of 1995 Spain is talking about.
spain's stance was never meant for anything more than its own public's consumption.
but faking a principled stance not only loses its luster, but can backfire on the population your trying to impress when you are specifically running contrary to the international law you were pretending to be concerned with.
It was meant to make spain appear "strong" on the international scene... With this decisive rulling, how long before its population sees their govts. nonsense for the feeble ploy it always was.
"Viva Espana! A true beacon of light, in supporting international law and justice. They are truly courages in standing up to the corrupt members of the EU and the US, who try to circumvent international laws any way they can to acheive their personal greedy goals. Again, VIVA ESPANA!
winston"
Winston, didn't you use the same words just days ago to praise Kazakhstan...a corrupt country with a poor record on human rights?
FYI, if you don't already know this, but Spain is looking out for it's best interests i.e. Catalonia.
If Spain ends up needing a bailout whom do you think it will crawl to?
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
madam,nobody else than you is drawning a paralel between serbian attitude tower kosovo(oppression and massacres)and spanish attitude in Catalonia...
And be serious,1995 is is so outdated that even you did recognize montenegro...
if you want your country to be identified with serbiaand its crimes against minorities,just go on
I guess Spain and (most other countries, too) wouldn't have any problem with a split off of Kosovo when it would have come as a mutual agreed solution between both parties, and not as an (maybe illegal) secession coming after a (legal) UDI.
(Top, 24 July 2010 15:14)
Independence of Montenegro did not come as a result of mutual agreement either.
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
So Kosovo is a "sui generis" case then? Isn't this what the west has been saying for a long time? See what happens when you allow yourself to be blackmailed by Serbia? All the supporters of Serbia one by one are distancing themselves from the "precedent case" and embracing the "sui generis case".First Azerbaijan now Spain, I am waiting for some one to ask the slovaks and greek cypriots if they think that their separatist areas are exactly like the Kosovo case.
Independence of Montenegro did not come as a result of mutual agreement either.
(Simpatiku, 25 July 2010 17:32)
====================
Do you see Serbia fighting Montenegro in order to keep it withing her borders?
Obviously Serbia does not object so where are you getting your info from?
Albanian school of yellow journalsim?
Spain always talks about "dialogue", but it always does monologues. Spain will never admit new independent countries, since there are several nations within Spain that could demand for independence too.
It was meant to make spain appear "strong" on the international scene... With this decisive rulling, how long before its population sees their govts. nonsense for the feeble ploy it always was.
(AdamNYC, 24 July 2010 23:13)
=====================
As long as it take for ordinary Americans to see their government for what it truly is. Then what?
"She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
So Kosovo is a "sui generis" case then? Isn't this what the west has been saying for a long time? "
(Mark, 24 July 2010 20:54)
Now, after the ICJ ruling, we know that UDIs (only these) in general are legal. Yes, it was about the Kosovo UDI, but the ICJ didn't use the 'special case' argumentation, except for mentioning UN1244, which only applies to Kosovo - but only to find out that UN1244 doesn't mention an UDI anywhere, so an UDI it's not against it.
Should she have said: "So, my dear Catalan and Basque compatriots, I'm waiting for your UDIs now - the ICJ gave you the right to declare yourself independent" ?
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
Well do you know that your good friends, the serbs which cause you have been supporting for a long time,disagree with you? They don't miss a chance to remind the world that the Basques and Catalonia are the same as Kosovo.
I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests.
(EA, 25 July 2010 21:57)
====================
Wow, earth shattering news. How about you tell us something we don't already know?
So how is that different from UK, US and the rest of your supporters?
"I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests."
(EA, 25 July 2010 21:57)
You are right, that is and was their reason not to recognize Kosovo.
And after this narrow ICJ ruling, it's still unclear if the creation of an independent state of Kosovo was legal or not.
Do you see Serbia fighting Montenegro in order to keep it withing her borders?
Obviously Serbia does not object so where are you getting your info from?
Albanian school of yellow journalsim?
(Peggy, 26 July 2010 03:45)
Peggy
This is the first time I hear about Albanian school of yellow journalism.
I still stand by my comment I posted about the way Montenegro declared its independence. One will not be struggling at all trying to find widely known information on how Kostunica tried to prevent it and how he failed.
Probably the yellow journalism is attended by Serbian politicians who are trying to convince the world that ICJ did not answer the essential part of the question while the "essential" part is not what ICJ was asked.
The secession is not something that necessarily requires mutual agreement and also is never legalized by the courts. Declaration is issued to declare the territory independent and also declaration is issued from another country to recognize that territory as independent. So far I never heard of one country recognizing somebody by whispering.
Viva Espana! A true beacon of light, in supporting international law and justice. They are truly courages in standing up to the corrupt members of the EU and the US, who try to circumvent international laws any way they can to acheive their personal greedy goals. Again, VIVA ESPANA!
I'm in close contact with several Catalonians. They are very happy about the recent ruling of the ICJ. I have encouraged them to follow that development. Of course, they are anyway on a good road. Catalonia is the wealthiest part of the (current) Spanish state. It is only plausible that they are tired of being stuck with that bankrupt rest. Even the soccer wordcup belongs to Barcelona, not Madrid. But things are changing there, even before the ICJ.
Kosovo will be very happy to recognize the Rep. of Catalonia.
"Viva Espana! A true beacon of light, in supporting international law and justice. They are truly courages in standing up to the corrupt members of the EU and the US, who try to circumvent international laws any way they can to acheive their personal greedy goals. Again, VIVA ESPANA!
winston"
Winston, didn't you use the same words just days ago to praise Kazakhstan...a corrupt country with a poor record on human rights?
FYI, if you don't already know this, but Spain is looking out for it's best interests i.e. Catalonia.
If Spain ends up needing a bailout whom do you think it will crawl to?
"De la Vega added that Spain would continue to respect the UN resolution defining borders of the countries of the former Yugoslavia that was adopted after the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in 1995."
Funny, Spain is slowly going back in time. First it was 1999 and resolution 1244, now it is 1995. This example may be employed by Serbian government too(seriously). Do not invoke you are protecting international law with 1244 anymore. Invoke whatever international law and resolutions of 1995 Spain is talking about.
"De la Vega added that Spain would continue to respect the UN resolution defining borders of the countries of the former Yugoslavia that was adopted after the Bosnia-Herzegovina war in 1995."
So Spain doesn't recognise Montenegro as independent either?
"So Spain doesn't recognise Montenegro as independent either?"
(Ian, UK, 24 July 2010, 14:25)
I guess Spain and (most other countries, too) wouldn't have any problem with a split off of Kosovo when it would have come as a mutual agreed solution between both parties, and not as an (maybe illegal) secession coming after a (legal) UDI.
spain's stance was never meant for anything more than its own public's consumption.
but faking a principled stance not only loses its luster, but can backfire on the population your trying to impress when you are specifically running contrary to the international law you were pretending to be concerned with.
It was meant to make spain appear "strong" on the international scene... With this decisive rulling, how long before its population sees their govts. nonsense for the feeble ploy it always was.
winston: "Viva Espana!". while you yell viva espania, don't forget to drink a bottle of vodka, and then just after you finished that bottle, drive fast while you go home.
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
So Kosovo is a "sui generis" case then? Isn't this what the west has been saying for a long time? See what happens when you allow yourself to be blackmailed by Serbia? All the supporters of Serbia one by one are distancing themselves from the "precedent case" and embracing the "sui generis case".First Azerbaijan now Spain, I am waiting for some one to ask the slovaks and greek cypriots if they think that their separatist areas are exactly like the Kosovo case.
"Spain will not violate the international law for long. "
(ben, 24 July 2010 16:03)
Where shall be the "violation of international law" when Spain simply doesn't recognize Kosovo? Did you maybe misunderstood the ICJ ruling that the legality of the UDI means the legality of secession and forming an own state? Then you are wrong, read the ruling more thorughly, please.
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
madam,nobody else than you is drawning a paralel between serbian attitude tower kosovo(oppression and massacres)and spanish attitude in Catalonia...
And be serious,1995 is is so outdated that even you did recognize montenegro...
if you want your country to be identified with serbiaand its crimes against minorities,just go on
I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests.
It was meant to make spain appear "strong" on the international scene... With this decisive rulling, how long before its population sees their govts. nonsense for the feeble ploy it always was.
(AdamNYC, 24 July 2010 23:13)
=====================
As long as it take for ordinary Americans to see their government for what it truly is. Then what?
She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
Well do you know that your good friends, the serbs which cause you have been supporting for a long time,disagree with you? They don't miss a chance to remind the world that the Basques and Catalonia are the same as Kosovo.
I guess Spain and (most other countries, too) wouldn't have any problem with a split off of Kosovo when it would have come as a mutual agreed solution between both parties, and not as an (maybe illegal) secession coming after a (legal) UDI.
(Top, 24 July 2010 15:14)
Independence of Montenegro did not come as a result of mutual agreement either.
"She said that any kind of parallel drawn between the situation between Serbia and Kosovo and between Spain and Catalonia is “unrealistic.”
So Kosovo is a "sui generis" case then? Isn't this what the west has been saying for a long time? "
(Mark, 24 July 2010 20:54)
Now, after the ICJ ruling, we know that UDIs (only these) in general are legal. Yes, it was about the Kosovo UDI, but the ICJ didn't use the 'special case' argumentation, except for mentioning UN1244, which only applies to Kosovo - but only to find out that UN1244 doesn't mention an UDI anywhere, so an UDI it's not against it.
Should she have said: "So, my dear Catalan and Basque compatriots, I'm waiting for your UDIs now - the ICJ gave you the right to declare yourself independent" ?
Do you see Serbia fighting Montenegro in order to keep it withing her borders?
Obviously Serbia does not object so where are you getting your info from?
Albanian school of yellow journalsim?
(Peggy, 26 July 2010 03:45)
Peggy
This is the first time I hear about Albanian school of yellow journalism.
I still stand by my comment I posted about the way Montenegro declared its independence. One will not be struggling at all trying to find widely known information on how Kostunica tried to prevent it and how he failed.
Probably the yellow journalism is attended by Serbian politicians who are trying to convince the world that ICJ did not answer the essential part of the question while the "essential" part is not what ICJ was asked.
The secession is not something that necessarily requires mutual agreement and also is never legalized by the courts. Declaration is issued to declare the territory independent and also declaration is issued from another country to recognize that territory as independent. So far I never heard of one country recognizing somebody by whispering.
I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests.
(EA, 25 July 2010 21:57)
====================
Wow, earth shattering news. How about you tell us something we don't already know?
So how is that different from UK, US and the rest of your supporters?
"I have said in the past that when it comes to Kosovo, certain countries like Spain or Slovakia are not interested about international law but purely about their own interests."
(EA, 25 July 2010 21:57)
You are right, that is and was their reason not to recognize Kosovo.
And after this narrow ICJ ruling, it's still unclear if the creation of an independent state of Kosovo was legal or not.
Independence of Montenegro did not come as a result of mutual agreement either.
(Simpatiku, 25 July 2010 17:32)
====================
Do you see Serbia fighting Montenegro in order to keep it withing her borders?
Obviously Serbia does not object so where are you getting your info from?
Albanian school of yellow journalsim?
Spain always talks about "dialogue", but it always does monologues. Spain will never admit new independent countries, since there are several nations within Spain that could demand for independence too.
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