Spain on Kosovo: Nothing changed

Why should the ICJ ruling change anything?

The court explicitely stated that its ruling is NOT about the legality of secession, or a statehood of Kosovo.

No surprise with Spain's decision.

"Western Europe has had enough of the slackers."
(Michael R., 23 July 2010 21:17)

Isn't this the perfect reason not to create a totally unsustainable dream state like "Kosovo" which is 50-80% dependent on donor money coming from the western countries, without being an EU member??

Michael R.

And so did a German bank, Hypo. Your point?

Notice how Spain and Greece who among the financially weakest of EU countries, but yet feel they have the right to pass judgment, counter to the ICJ decision, on Kosova. Wasn't it Greece that had to be bailed out by the EU for the failure of its banks. To make matters worse, it was announced today that both Spain and Greece have banks that failed the financial "stress test" which was administered by the EU. These countries along with Cypress, Romania and Slovakia would not even qualify for the EU if they were to apply today. They all should be put on some sort of probation and have their voting rights suspended until they can pass muster. Western Europe has had enough of the slackers.

Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia; it is just matter of days, eventually months. Keep this in mind. Because if they pretend to remain EU members, they are not in position to dictate anything or decline decision of the supreme international court on the issues such validity of the statehood. If they persist to oppose the rest of civilized world, lining up with such behavior on the Serbia’s side, then they must admit that Europe’s stability is not in their favor!

"Somebody has to point out that Spain has long tradition of fashisist regimes." (Kosovar)

-- You mean Francisco Franco's regime that lasted from 1936 - 1974? Spain itself has existed for over 500 years. If you think 38 years out of 500 is a "long tradition of fashisist [sic] regimes" you need to rethink the logic of your meaningless rant.

" If they persist to oppose the rest of civilized world, lining up with such behavior on the Serbia’s side, then they must admit that Europe’s stability is not in their favor!" (laki bani)

-- Personally I seriously doubt anything beyond another EU Parliament resolution next year "asking" or "recommending" unity over Kosovo will be accomplished in the absence of some sort of agreement with Belgrade. In many respects, the real twist of irony for Kosovo is no longer its status but its sustainability. The day before the ICJ ruling Haradinaj was sent to the Hague for a retrial - the first ever for the ICTY. Today the chairman of Kosovo's central bank was arrested for corruption. Regardless of Kosovo's status, the region is a political and economic basket case - one in which the Blame Belgrade for our Misery card can no longer be played. One could actually argue that those in favor of Kosovo's independence are doing it to get Serbia in WITHOUT Kosovo's baggage – which would really be a slap in Pristina’s face. Considering the two arrests mentioned, Kosovo has a considerably long way to negotiate EU membership. What Spain or other states think now is almost inconsequential. I’d even go so far as to argue that many EU states are happy with Spain and Cyprus’ refusal. It gives the entire EU an excuse to block Kosovo in its current dysfunctional condition.

lol, of course things have changed. Kosovo's Declaration of Independence was legal Under International law.

spain's stance was never anything more than for its own public's consumption... the nonsense was free to spew out after all.

but faking a principled stance not only loses its luster, but can backfire on the population your trying to impress when you are specifically running contrary to the international law you were pretending to be concerned with.

tick tock.

What about Greece?

not yet.

they never say never.

what does Spain and other countries that do not recognize of Kosova see, that that the judges of ICL didn't elaborate and judged.
Somebody has to point out that Spain has long tradition of fashisist regimes.

no somebody has to point that spain too had a long experience in ethnocid:just remind what they have done in south amerika and even in the iberic peninsule

Remind me someone - is there perchance something called the Basque Country (known as the locals as Euskadi) in northern Spain, crossing over into the south of France and might this same territory have certain groups that 'lobby explosively' for its independence?

Notice how Spain and Greece who among the financially weakest of EU countries, but yet feel they have the right to pass judgment, counter to the ICJ decision, on Kosova. Wasn't it Greece that had to be bailed out by the EU for the failure of its banks. To make matters worse, it was announced today that both Spain and Greece have banks that failed the financial "stress test" which was administered by the EU. These countries along with Cypress, Romania and Slovakia would not even qualify for the EU if they were to apply today. They all should be put on some sort of probation and have their voting rights suspended until they can pass muster. Western Europe has had enough of the slackers.

Why should the ICJ ruling change anything?

The court explicitely stated that its ruling is NOT about the legality of secession, or a statehood of Kosovo.

Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Romania and Slovakia; it is just matter of days, eventually months. Keep this in mind. Because if they pretend to remain EU members, they are not in position to dictate anything or decline decision of the supreme international court on the issues such validity of the statehood. If they persist to oppose the rest of civilized world, lining up with such behavior on the Serbia’s side, then they must admit that Europe’s stability is not in their favor!

not yet.

they never say never.

No surprise with Spain's decision.

What about Greece?

what does Spain and other countries that do not recognize of Kosova see, that that the judges of ICL didn't elaborate and judged.
Somebody has to point out that Spain has long tradition of fashisist regimes.

lol, of course things have changed. Kosovo's Declaration of Independence was legal Under International law.

spain's stance was never anything more than for its own public's consumption... the nonsense was free to spew out after all.

but faking a principled stance not only loses its luster, but can backfire on the population your trying to impress when you are specifically running contrary to the international law you were pretending to be concerned with.

tick tock.

"Western Europe has had enough of the slackers."
(Michael R., 23 July 2010 21:17)

Isn't this the perfect reason not to create a totally unsustainable dream state like "Kosovo" which is 50-80% dependent on donor money coming from the western countries, without being an EU member??

"Somebody has to point out that Spain has long tradition of fashisist regimes." (Kosovar)

-- You mean Francisco Franco's regime that lasted from 1936 - 1974? Spain itself has existed for over 500 years. If you think 38 years out of 500 is a "long tradition of fashisist [sic] regimes" you need to rethink the logic of your meaningless rant.

Michael R.

And so did a German bank, Hypo. Your point?

" If they persist to oppose the rest of civilized world, lining up with such behavior on the Serbia’s side, then they must admit that Europe’s stability is not in their favor!" (laki bani)

-- Personally I seriously doubt anything beyond another EU Parliament resolution next year "asking" or "recommending" unity over Kosovo will be accomplished in the absence of some sort of agreement with Belgrade. In many respects, the real twist of irony for Kosovo is no longer its status but its sustainability. The day before the ICJ ruling Haradinaj was sent to the Hague for a retrial - the first ever for the ICTY. Today the chairman of Kosovo's central bank was arrested for corruption. Regardless of Kosovo's status, the region is a political and economic basket case - one in which the Blame Belgrade for our Misery card can no longer be played. One could actually argue that those in favor of Kosovo's independence are doing it to get Serbia in WITHOUT Kosovo's baggage – which would really be a slap in Pristina’s face. Considering the two arrests mentioned, Kosovo has a considerably long way to negotiate EU membership. What Spain or other states think now is almost inconsequential. I’d even go so far as to argue that many EU states are happy with Spain and Cyprus’ refusal. It gives the entire EU an excuse to block Kosovo in its current dysfunctional condition.

no somebody has to point that spain too had a long experience in ethnocid:just remind what they have done in south amerika and even in the iberic peninsule

Remind me someone - is there perchance something called the Basque Country (known as the locals as Euskadi) in northern Spain, crossing over into the south of France and might this same territory have certain groups that 'lobby explosively' for its independence?