It is not hard to guess, aremenia has invaded 1 over 3 of azerbaijanian territory, so no need to thank that country. But it is not weird how losers associate with losers.
Azerbaijan only supports Serbia because of it's own problem of the ethnic Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. It isn't being a loyal trust worthy friend to Serbia, it is doing this for it's own interests. Same applies to Spain, Cyprus, China etc.
(Ian, UK, 13 July 2010 16:41)
Then how do you explain Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Ghana and South Africa's support for Serbia (to name but a few)? Border or land disputes affecting these states have long been solved within the context of international treaties and international law ot to mention that these states have no social or cultural links to Serbia.
I'll enlighten you, they can see the KLA-NATO project for what it really is, a recipe for disaster and anarchy.
Since when did joining the UN become the fundamental norm of statehood?
There are corporations in the world that are more powerful and influential than some of the members of the UN.
(RKS, 13 July 2010 23:58)
=================
But they belong to people who live in countries which are in the UN. Again, everything comes back to UN.
Now without being in the UN you can't even join FIFA or compete in Eurovision. You can compete in Miss Universe though.
All these comments here miss the point. NagorniKarabakh, is a province that Azerbaijan claims, but which they have not had control over since 1990 er so. Borders were drawn up bad, so the Armenians in NagorniKarabakh never recognized this new independent state, and instead made their own. Azerbaijan supports Serbia only because Serbia does not support NagorniKarabakh. It's all mutual interest, they don't care a thing about us or about Kosovo. It's like that old saying, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
(miri, 13 July 2010 15:15)
You did not read correctly. Nowhere did I say about banning or visa regime. Just the opposite: - abolish visa regime TO SWAY.
----
To the others: visas never solve the problem. As for threat of "millions of Africans": no one needs visa to Kosovo and the life there is much better than in, say, Somalia.
Somehow I never seen millions of Somalian refugees in Kosovo. Hence abolishing visas whatsoever won't increase the number of refugees.
Kosovo is an excellent experiment proving, visas are rubbish. OR can anyone explain it?
Ataman wrote: "Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas." Yes, you are 100% right, shall start first and abolish visas with Iran, then Pakistan, China, Egypt, Nigeria etc.
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 13 July 2010 17:42)
No one needs a visa to stay in Vushtrri, even forever.
Do you have problems with Egyptians, Nigerians, Pakistanis, Chinese in Vushtrri? No?
Mu point is: everyone who wants to move somewhere illegally will do it regardless of visas.
On the other hand: how or why on Earth would you trust some idiot working in a consulate to determine, who can have visa and who cannot?
Before WW-I there weren't really passports in today's sense, neither were visas. It was an evil idea in 1920-s which caught up.
"..Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
(miri, 13 July 2010 15:15)"
Don't you believe in ebony and ivory, or just ivory? How very enlightened of you. Not that asia is an economic powerhouse that has consistently high growth rates and is so important that the US is directing its most sophisticated weapons there.
As for Africa, it is developing in leaps and bounds now that the HIPC (Highly Indebted Poor Countries) have had their debt wiped out or severely cut when partially linked to good governance. It is so popular with investors that China is the primary investor, closely followed by Japan and India. Of course the west still see it as an 'risky investment' and haven't touched it - so lots of nice words but no action and ultimately their loss.
Still, it must be great to look down ones nose at those knowing that the west's terms of dominance against them is over.
BTW Azerbaidjan is the US' biggest bud (need I mention the oil for Nabucco??). The US has pleny of other nasty best friends too.
"...support to Serbia in defending its sovereignty and territorial integrity on Kosovo".
What does that REALLY mean? It means NOTHING.
To me sovereignity means the right of a country to have army, police, administration, constitution applied in that territory....Where is Serbia's sign of life in the territory of Kosovo? Northern Kosovo? Just for a little bit longer Serbia can not not control Kosovo Police Force....
The reasons why Azerbaijan has not recognized Kosovo are anything but the words you used.... wether its their own political or economical interests I do not know but I do not that it has nothing to do with some belief that Serbia has this devine moral and just position.
Its all about interests.
(nikshala, 13 July 2010 15:25)
That is precisely so Nik!
Like every single country that supports Serbia they have their own separatist problems. Nagorno-Karabakh is the case for Azerbaijan. This region has a majority Armenian population who have asked for separation from Azerbaijan.
Ataman wrote: "Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas." Yes, you are 100% right, shall start first and abolish visas with Iran, then Pakistan, China, Egypt, Nigeria etc.
Don't just say - do it.
Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas.
- for countries which did not recognize Kosovo: as a "thank you"
- for countries which did recognize Kosovo: to sway them.
(Ataman, 13 July 2010 13:39)
Actually ridiculous. You want to open boarders for most of the 3rd world but close them for most of the 1st World.
Azerbaijan only supports Serbia because of it's own problem of the ethnic Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. It isn't being a loyal trust worthy friend to Serbia, it is doing this for it's own interests. Same applies to Spain, Cyprus, China etc.
Please give me a break. Had the West supported Serbia and had Azerbaijan recognized independence, you would have slated that country for not standing with the democratic and free wester world.
The reasons why Azerbaijan has not recognized Kosovo are anything but the words you used.... wether its their own political or economical interests I do not know but I do not that it has nothing to do with some belief that Serbia has this devine moral and just position.
Don't just say - do it.
Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas.
- for countries which did not recognize Kosovo: as a "thank you"
- for countries which did recognize Kosovo: to sway them.
(Ataman, 13 July 2010 13:39)
That's the most foolish thing I have ever read.
Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
My highest regard to the just and moral people of Azerbaijan. Standing up to the pressures of so-called world powers is not easy to do. Nations like Azerbaijan are a shinning light in this present day of corruption and bribery by the self-serving and ruthless Western countries. Thank you Azerbaijan, you give me hope that there is still some good in this sinful world created by the Western governments.
Please give me a break. Had the West supported Serbia and had Azerbaijan recognized independence, you would have slated that country for not standing with the democratic and free wester world.
The reasons why Azerbaijan has not recognized Kosovo are anything but the words you used.... wether its their own political or economical interests I do not know but I do not that it has nothing to do with some belief that Serbia has this devine moral and just position.
My highest regard to the just and moral people of Azerbaijan. Standing up to the pressures of so-called world powers is not easy to do. Nations like Azerbaijan are a shinning light in this present day of corruption and bribery by the self-serving and ruthless Western countries. Thank you Azerbaijan, you give me hope that there is still some good in this sinful world created by the Western governments.
Don't just say - do it.
Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas.
- for countries which did not recognize Kosovo: as a "thank you"
- for countries which did recognize Kosovo: to sway them.
(Ataman, 13 July 2010 13:39)
That's the most foolish thing I have ever read.
Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
Don't just say - do it.
Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas.
- for countries which did not recognize Kosovo: as a "thank you"
- for countries which did recognize Kosovo: to sway them.
(Ataman, 13 July 2010 13:39)
Actually ridiculous. You want to open boarders for most of the 3rd world but close them for most of the 1st World.
Azerbaijan only supports Serbia because of it's own problem of the ethnic Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. It isn't being a loyal trust worthy friend to Serbia, it is doing this for it's own interests. Same applies to Spain, Cyprus, China etc.
Ataman wrote: "Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas." Yes, you are 100% right, shall start first and abolish visas with Iran, then Pakistan, China, Egypt, Nigeria etc.
The reasons why Azerbaijan has not recognized Kosovo are anything but the words you used.... wether its their own political or economical interests I do not know but I do not that it has nothing to do with some belief that Serbia has this devine moral and just position.
Its all about interests.
(nikshala, 13 July 2010 15:25)
That is precisely so Nik!
Like every single country that supports Serbia they have their own separatist problems. Nagorno-Karabakh is the case for Azerbaijan. This region has a majority Armenian population who have asked for separation from Azerbaijan.
"...support to Serbia in defending its sovereignty and territorial integrity on Kosovo".
What does that REALLY mean? It means NOTHING.
To me sovereignity means the right of a country to have army, police, administration, constitution applied in that territory....Where is Serbia's sign of life in the territory of Kosovo? Northern Kosovo? Just for a little bit longer Serbia can not not control Kosovo Police Force....
All these comments here miss the point. NagorniKarabakh, is a province that Azerbaijan claims, but which they have not had control over since 1990 er so. Borders were drawn up bad, so the Armenians in NagorniKarabakh never recognized this new independent state, and instead made their own. Azerbaijan supports Serbia only because Serbia does not support NagorniKarabakh. It's all mutual interest, they don't care a thing about us or about Kosovo. It's like that old saying, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
"..Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
(miri, 13 July 2010 15:15)"
Don't you believe in ebony and ivory, or just ivory? How very enlightened of you. Not that asia is an economic powerhouse that has consistently high growth rates and is so important that the US is directing its most sophisticated weapons there.
As for Africa, it is developing in leaps and bounds now that the HIPC (Highly Indebted Poor Countries) have had their debt wiped out or severely cut when partially linked to good governance. It is so popular with investors that China is the primary investor, closely followed by Japan and India. Of course the west still see it as an 'risky investment' and haven't touched it - so lots of nice words but no action and ultimately their loss.
Still, it must be great to look down ones nose at those knowing that the west's terms of dominance against them is over.
BTW Azerbaidjan is the US' biggest bud (need I mention the oil for Nabucco??). The US has pleny of other nasty best friends too.
Ataman wrote: "Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas." Yes, you are 100% right, shall start first and abolish visas with Iran, then Pakistan, China, Egypt, Nigeria etc.
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 13 July 2010 17:42)
No one needs a visa to stay in Vushtrri, even forever.
Do you have problems with Egyptians, Nigerians, Pakistanis, Chinese in Vushtrri? No?
Mu point is: everyone who wants to move somewhere illegally will do it regardless of visas.
On the other hand: how or why on Earth would you trust some idiot working in a consulate to determine, who can have visa and who cannot?
Before WW-I there weren't really passports in today's sense, neither were visas. It was an evil idea in 1920-s which caught up.
Azerbaijan only supports Serbia because of it's own problem of the ethnic Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. It isn't being a loyal trust worthy friend to Serbia, it is doing this for it's own interests. Same applies to Spain, Cyprus, China etc.
(Ian, UK, 13 July 2010 16:41)
Then how do you explain Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Ghana and South Africa's support for Serbia (to name but a few)? Border or land disputes affecting these states have long been solved within the context of international treaties and international law ot to mention that these states have no social or cultural links to Serbia.
I'll enlighten you, they can see the KLA-NATO project for what it really is, a recipe for disaster and anarchy.
Since when did joining the UN become the fundamental norm of statehood?
There are corporations in the world that are more powerful and influential than some of the members of the UN.
(RKS, 13 July 2010 23:58)
=================
But they belong to people who live in countries which are in the UN. Again, everything comes back to UN.
Now without being in the UN you can't even join FIFA or compete in Eurovision. You can compete in Miss Universe though.
Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
(miri, 13 July 2010 15:15)
You did not read correctly. Nowhere did I say about banning or visa regime. Just the opposite: - abolish visa regime TO SWAY.
----
To the others: visas never solve the problem. As for threat of "millions of Africans": no one needs visa to Kosovo and the life there is much better than in, say, Somalia.
Somehow I never seen millions of Somalian refugees in Kosovo. Hence abolishing visas whatsoever won't increase the number of refugees.
Kosovo is an excellent experiment proving, visas are rubbish. OR can anyone explain it?
It is not hard to guess, aremenia has invaded 1 over 3 of azerbaijanian territory, so no need to thank that country. But it is not weird how losers associate with losers.
My highest regard to the just and moral people of Azerbaijan. Standing up to the pressures of so-called world powers is not easy to do. Nations like Azerbaijan are a shinning light in this present day of corruption and bribery by the self-serving and ruthless Western countries. Thank you Azerbaijan, you give me hope that there is still some good in this sinful world created by the Western governments.
Ataman wrote: "Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas." Yes, you are 100% right, shall start first and abolish visas with Iran, then Pakistan, China, Egypt, Nigeria etc.
Don't just say - do it.
Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas.
- for countries which did not recognize Kosovo: as a "thank you"
- for countries which did recognize Kosovo: to sway them.
(Ataman, 13 July 2010 13:39)
That's the most foolish thing I have ever read.
Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
The reasons why Azerbaijan has not recognized Kosovo are anything but the words you used.... wether its their own political or economical interests I do not know but I do not that it has nothing to do with some belief that Serbia has this devine moral and just position.
Its all about interests.
(nikshala, 13 July 2010 15:25)
That is precisely so Nik!
Like every single country that supports Serbia they have their own separatist problems. Nagorno-Karabakh is the case for Azerbaijan. This region has a majority Armenian population who have asked for separation from Azerbaijan.
Please give me a break. Had the West supported Serbia and had Azerbaijan recognized independence, you would have slated that country for not standing with the democratic and free wester world.
The reasons why Azerbaijan has not recognized Kosovo are anything but the words you used.... wether its their own political or economical interests I do not know but I do not that it has nothing to do with some belief that Serbia has this devine moral and just position.
Don't just say - do it.
Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas.
- for countries which did not recognize Kosovo: as a "thank you"
- for countries which did recognize Kosovo: to sway them.
(Ataman, 13 July 2010 13:39)
Actually ridiculous. You want to open boarders for most of the 3rd world but close them for most of the 1st World.
Azerbaijan only supports Serbia because of it's own problem of the ethnic Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. It isn't being a loyal trust worthy friend to Serbia, it is doing this for it's own interests. Same applies to Spain, Cyprus, China etc.
Since when did joining the UN become the fundamental norm of statehood?
There are corporations in the world that are more powerful and influential than some of the members of the UN.
(RKS, 13 July 2010 23:58)
=================
But they belong to people who live in countries which are in the UN. Again, everything comes back to UN.
Now without being in the UN you can't even join FIFA or compete in Eurovision. You can compete in Miss Universe though.
"...support to Serbia in defending its sovereignty and territorial integrity on Kosovo".
What does that REALLY mean? It means NOTHING.
To me sovereignity means the right of a country to have army, police, administration, constitution applied in that territory....Where is Serbia's sign of life in the territory of Kosovo? Northern Kosovo? Just for a little bit longer Serbia can not not control Kosovo Police Force....
Azerbaijan only supports Serbia because of it's own problem of the ethnic Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. It isn't being a loyal trust worthy friend to Serbia, it is doing this for it's own interests. Same applies to Spain, Cyprus, China etc.
(Ian, UK, 13 July 2010 16:41)
Then how do you explain Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Ghana and South Africa's support for Serbia (to name but a few)? Border or land disputes affecting these states have long been solved within the context of international treaties and international law ot to mention that these states have no social or cultural links to Serbia.
I'll enlighten you, they can see the KLA-NATO project for what it really is, a recipe for disaster and anarchy.
Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
(miri, 13 July 2010 15:15)
You did not read correctly. Nowhere did I say about banning or visa regime. Just the opposite: - abolish visa regime TO SWAY.
----
To the others: visas never solve the problem. As for threat of "millions of Africans": no one needs visa to Kosovo and the life there is much better than in, say, Somalia.
Somehow I never seen millions of Somalian refugees in Kosovo. Hence abolishing visas whatsoever won't increase the number of refugees.
Kosovo is an excellent experiment proving, visas are rubbish. OR can anyone explain it?
Ataman wrote: "Best way to say "thanks" is to abolish visas." Yes, you are 100% right, shall start first and abolish visas with Iran, then Pakistan, China, Egypt, Nigeria etc.
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 13 July 2010 17:42)
No one needs a visa to stay in Vushtrri, even forever.
Do you have problems with Egyptians, Nigerians, Pakistanis, Chinese in Vushtrri? No?
Mu point is: everyone who wants to move somewhere illegally will do it regardless of visas.
On the other hand: how or why on Earth would you trust some idiot working in a consulate to determine, who can have visa and who cannot?
Before WW-I there weren't really passports in today's sense, neither were visas. It was an evil idea in 1920-s which caught up.
"..Sure, ban most of citizens from EU and US and open the doors to most of Middle East, 90% of Africa's and billions of Asians to come to Serbia whenever they like.
(miri, 13 July 2010 15:15)"
Don't you believe in ebony and ivory, or just ivory? How very enlightened of you. Not that asia is an economic powerhouse that has consistently high growth rates and is so important that the US is directing its most sophisticated weapons there.
As for Africa, it is developing in leaps and bounds now that the HIPC (Highly Indebted Poor Countries) have had their debt wiped out or severely cut when partially linked to good governance. It is so popular with investors that China is the primary investor, closely followed by Japan and India. Of course the west still see it as an 'risky investment' and haven't touched it - so lots of nice words but no action and ultimately their loss.
Still, it must be great to look down ones nose at those knowing that the west's terms of dominance against them is over.
BTW Azerbaidjan is the US' biggest bud (need I mention the oil for Nabucco??). The US has pleny of other nasty best friends too.
All these comments here miss the point. NagorniKarabakh, is a province that Azerbaijan claims, but which they have not had control over since 1990 er so. Borders were drawn up bad, so the Armenians in NagorniKarabakh never recognized this new independent state, and instead made their own. Azerbaijan supports Serbia only because Serbia does not support NagorniKarabakh. It's all mutual interest, they don't care a thing about us or about Kosovo. It's like that old saying, scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.
It is not hard to guess, aremenia has invaded 1 over 3 of azerbaijanian territory, so no need to thank that country. But it is not weird how losers associate with losers.
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