"ICJ opinion will affect Kosovo situation"

I can see PANIC in Konuzin's voice.
(Kosova-USA, 1 July 2010 14:48)

I can't see a voice, and even less panics in the voice.

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I wonder who will have the last laugh?
(Kosova-USA, 1 July 2010 14:48)

Like who had last laugh: Turks or Serbs? Took few hundred years.

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Piotr,

please give up on that. I knew all the time, Albanian word karpë (rock) is what the word "Carpathians" came from. Carpathian mountains have nothing to do with Hungarians or Slavs, sorry. It was Albanian territory forever, like Coruscant or the inner core of Naboo.

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Serbs are Russian Gypsies in this context.
(PRN, 1 July 2010 16:33)

This is correct, PRN. We also know, Albanians are Jedi Knights from Coruscant, wardens of the known universe since at least 100 million years.

"Russian official reminded that one of the basic premises of international law refers to respect of countries' sovereignty and territorial integrity."

Let me answer you:

1. Yes, Mr Ambasador, BUT you forget that terror is prevented by international law. If this was not the case NATO would not have bombarded Belgarde.

2. Serbs and Serbia is a creation of Russia and Russians, so Serbia's cradle is at you own country at carpathian mountains. In addition Serbs came to Balkans just the same as Gypsies came from India to the Balkans.

3. Albania and Albanian are the ROOTS of the Balkans. Much before (several thousands years ago)any of today what today we call nations came to this region, Albanians were eating with Silver spoons.

4. Russia should mind its business, because it is the AMONG the most corrupted countries on earth, where democracy is only on the paper.

He also expressed hope that the ICJ's stand will facilitate establishing of negotiations over the status of the province.


No,no,no Konuzin.ICJ will give its opinon, which has no bearing in setting up new negotiation. I can see PANIC in Konuzin's voice. I wonder who will have the last laugh?

It does not matter where Albanians came from.

Kosovo is a province of Serbia. That is the legal status. Long established.

Throughout history there never was a country of Kosovo and there is no need for one now.

The West has been suckered into trying to introduce an illegal udi. It is not a good solution, and given the history of Albanians ethnically cleansing Serbs long before Milosevic, it is amazing that the west is prepared to support what is in actuality a strong mono-ethnic attitude amongst Albanians.

The ICJ may well give some legal support to the invasion of Serbian lands - laws do change and courts do pervert (sorry interpret) the law occasionally. However, the invention of a new country is not a necessary step in this case - heavy imposition by big powers is what is happening here, and the court should reject that. I suspect that it won't though, because the ICJ is the servant, not the master.

I wonder if Konuzin has the power to stop Kosova Telecomunication Agency from destroying/confiscating and /or removing the telekom srbija remaining equipment for good next week.So much for Ruskies power.
(Kosova-USA, 1 July 2010, 19:10)

That is a silly thing to say. It is like saying, "I wonder if Hillary Clinton has the power to stop Serbian mobile providers in the north. So much for American power."

Both statements are ridiculous.

PRN

"2. Serbs and Serbia is a creation of Russia and Russians, so Serbia's cradle is at you own country at carpathian mountains. In addition Serbs came to Balkans just the same as Gypsies came from India to the Balkans."

Good heavens, guy, PLEASE pick up a good encyclopedia or spend some time on the net learning a little about history and geography!

Just some pointers:

1) The Carpathian Mountains are not in Russia (not even close, in fact).

2) Slavs did not originate in the Carpathian Mountains.

3) Learn a little about Serbian ethnogenesis.

"3. Albania and Albanian are the ROOTS of the Balkans. Much before (several thousands years ago)any of today what today we call nations came to this region, Albanians were eating with Silver spoons. "

Albanians were first chronicled historically in the 11th Century. Illyrians were last chronicled in the 7th Century (the same century that Slavs started settling in the Balkans and assimilating the locals).

"4. Russia should mind its business, because it is the AMONG the most corrupted countries on earth, where democracy is only on the paper."

And Albania is what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Map_Index_of_perception_of_corruption_2009.svg

Albania's (indeed the whole Balkans) corruption levels are comparable to countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia (including Russia).

(Peter Sudyka, 1 July 2010 15:41)

Please enlighten yourself with history that ALbanians are OLDEST nation in the Balkans.

Read books and article on internet to enlighten yourself.

1) The Carpathian Mountains are not in Russia (not even close, in fact). I know pretty well where the The Carpathian Mountains are...but it is irrlevant that they are along central and eastern Europe. We Albanians know pretty well where they are because the name "Carpathian " came from the name 'Karpetes' may ultimately be from the Proto Indo-European root *sker-/*ker-, from which comes the Albanian word karpë (rock).

2) Slavs did not originate in the Carpathian Mountains. Most of the sources say that Serbs came from Carpathian Mountains.

I DID NOT SAY ALL SLAVS CAME FROM CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS.

3) Learn a little about Serbian ethnogenesis. There is no much to learn. As I said earlier Serbs came from Russia to Europe just the same as Gypsies came India to the Balkans. In other words, Serbs are Russian Gypsies in this context.

PRN

"Please enlighten yourself with history that ALbanians are OLDEST nation in the Balkans."

I never doubted that.

"2) Slavs did not originate in the Carpathian Mountains. Most of the sources say that Serbs came from Carpathian Mountains.

I DID NOT SAY ALL SLAVS CAME FROM CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS."

I don't know what sources claim that Serbs originate in the Carpathian Mountains, but historically, Slavs settled in the Carpathian Mountains and did not originate from them.

Historically, they were inhabited by ancient Illyrian and Dacian tribes, which were later assimilated by the invading Slavs.

"3) Learn a little about Serbian ethnogenesis. There is no much to learn. As I said earlier Serbs came from Russia to Europe just the same as Gypsies came India to the Balkans. In other words, Serbs are Russian Gypsies in this context.
(PRN, 1 July 2010 16:33) "

Actually, Proto-Slavs originate in SE Poland/NW Ukraine, while the very first mention of a Serbian homeland was actually in what is now East Germany/West Poland (also today's Silesia).

Today's Lusatian Sorbs are original remnants of this homeland from ancient times).

This region was known as "White Serbia":

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Migration_of_Serbs.png/220px-Migration_of_Serbs.png

Similarly, Croats originate from what was called "White Croatia", which essentially what is now Southern Poland/Slovakia (also today's Moravia).

Here is another map:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/baltics_1000.jpg

These Serbian Slavic invaders then settled in the Balkan regions (essentially Ancient Illyrium, Moesia Superior and Dacia), in the process, assimilating the native Balkan tribes in the areas (which is why Serbs show a high tendency of ancient Neolithic and Paleolithic paternal haplogroups, which are native to the Balkans, while also retaining their UP typically more Northern European haplogroups, found among other Slavs, Germanic, Baltic and Celtic folk).

So to say that Serbs are "Russian gypsies" is incorrect, because modern Serbs are a hybrid of the ancient Slavic invaders and ancient Balkan natives, therefore, partly related to you and Romanians.

I posted a very detailed reply in another thread, but for some reason B92 blocked it, when it was simply anthropological and genetic data and nothing offensive or controversial in nature.

I wonder if Konuzin has the power to stop Kosova Telecomunication Agency from destroying/confiscating and /or removing the telekom srbija remaining equipment for good next week.So much for Ruskies power.

BTW PRN I wanted to clarify one more thing. When I was talking about the Carpathians originally being inhabited by Dacians and Illyrians, I was refering to Carpathian mountains in the Balkans. Northern Carpathians was inhabited by Slavs and Arpad Magyars.

There seems to be more panic on the albo side these days. Especially when the american ambassador to the phoney state criticizes the corrupt, phoney government. The politically expedient thing to do is declare the UDI illegal so the west can walk away from throwing good money down kosovo. us vp wants to walk away from Afghanistan and Iraq - why not kosovo too?

Albanians were first chronicled historically in the 11th Century. Illyrians were last chronicled in the 7th Century (the same century that Slavs started settling in the Balkans and assimilating the locals).
(Peter Sudyka, 1 July 2010 15:41)

Peter, there are records of ancient Albanian Jedi ritual - it's over 100 million year old, comes straight from inner core of Naboo.

1) Find an "Iriqi Kosoves" (Poles may call it "Je¿ Kosovsky" or somewhat like that.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/26059268

2) Apply a stripe of green paint to the top of his head. Poor iriqi maybe won't like it, but Jedi rituals are more important than what a "je¿" likes or not.

3) Try to kiss his nose.

4) If you are a true Albanian Jedi, "Je¿ Kosovsky" will bite your nose in his turn.

http://www.fotohumoristike.com/albums/userpics/10001/3/normal_iriqi.jpg

This proves: Kosovo is as much Albanian as the inner core of Naboo.

Alvó-albó Józsi/Je¿ Atamañski

I don't know how you did it, but you've outdone yourself again, my friend! Keep it up!

All this talk about who came from where and when is so ridiculous as it has no bearing on today's situation at all.

If we gave any weight to 2000 year old maps then we are going to be changing the world as we know it.

America wouldn't exist and neither would Australia. All the people apart from the inidgenous people of America and Australia should be either kicked out or swear allegence to new powers, i.e. Indians and Aborigines.

We can't even try to go into any other countries formed since WW2.
So let's just forget all this rubbish and take a look at the situation from the break up of Yugoslavia and sort that out.
If Albanians think they can rewrite history and maps now they are sadly mistaken.

What does Konuzin think about Georgia's territorial integrity?

PEGGY
"So let's just forget all this rubbish and take a look at the situation from the break up of Yugoslavia"

I think you mean the destruction of the people of yugoslavia by the serbians and that is what has happened and for kosovo,
================

NO, I don't mean that at all.
Do you ever run out of venom?

I wonder if Konuzin has the power to stop Kosova Telecomunication Agency from destroying/confiscating and /or removing the telekom srbija remaining equipment for good next week.So much for Ruskies power.
(Kosova-USA, 1 July 2010 19:10)

Kosovo’s so called freedom is coming up to 12 years and what has happened????????? Not a blessed thing. You guys are scraping a living out of dirt. Kosova Telecommunication Agency will not touch Serbian equipment again – your allies have told Thaci and co to mind his own business.
Hey, where is your beloved US? Aren’t they busy dying in Afghanistan and Iraq???? They lost 80 last month – so much for US and NATO power, ha, ha, ah. How about bringing some industry to Kosova?

PEGGY
"So let's just forget all this rubbish and take a look at the situation from the break up of Yugoslavia"

I think you mean the destruction of the people of yugoslavia by the serbians and that is what has happened and for kosovo, it means not going back to how things were before the war. the only thing Serbia put on offer was " serbias land but not the people" if anything a compromise was a republic status with serbia "serbia Kosovo" but even that serbia would just not put that on the negotiating table

He also expressed hope that the ICJ's stand will facilitate establishing of negotiations over the status of the province.


No,no,no Konuzin.ICJ will give its opinon, which has no bearing in setting up new negotiation. I can see PANIC in Konuzin's voice. I wonder who will have the last laugh?

"Russian official reminded that one of the basic premises of international law refers to respect of countries' sovereignty and territorial integrity."

Let me answer you:

1. Yes, Mr Ambasador, BUT you forget that terror is prevented by international law. If this was not the case NATO would not have bombarded Belgarde.

2. Serbs and Serbia is a creation of Russia and Russians, so Serbia's cradle is at you own country at carpathian mountains. In addition Serbs came to Balkans just the same as Gypsies came from India to the Balkans.

3. Albania and Albanian are the ROOTS of the Balkans. Much before (several thousands years ago)any of today what today we call nations came to this region, Albanians were eating with Silver spoons.

4. Russia should mind its business, because it is the AMONG the most corrupted countries on earth, where democracy is only on the paper.

I wonder if Konuzin has the power to stop Kosova Telecomunication Agency from destroying/confiscating and /or removing the telekom srbija remaining equipment for good next week.So much for Ruskies power.

(Peter Sudyka, 1 July 2010 15:41)

Please enlighten yourself with history that ALbanians are OLDEST nation in the Balkans.

Read books and article on internet to enlighten yourself.

1) The Carpathian Mountains are not in Russia (not even close, in fact). I know pretty well where the The Carpathian Mountains are...but it is irrlevant that they are along central and eastern Europe. We Albanians know pretty well where they are because the name "Carpathian " came from the name 'Karpetes' may ultimately be from the Proto Indo-European root *sker-/*ker-, from which comes the Albanian word karpë (rock).

2) Slavs did not originate in the Carpathian Mountains. Most of the sources say that Serbs came from Carpathian Mountains.

I DID NOT SAY ALL SLAVS CAME FROM CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS.

3) Learn a little about Serbian ethnogenesis. There is no much to learn. As I said earlier Serbs came from Russia to Europe just the same as Gypsies came India to the Balkans. In other words, Serbs are Russian Gypsies in this context.

I can see PANIC in Konuzin's voice.
(Kosova-USA, 1 July 2010 14:48)

I can't see a voice, and even less panics in the voice.

--

I wonder who will have the last laugh?
(Kosova-USA, 1 July 2010 14:48)

Like who had last laugh: Turks or Serbs? Took few hundred years.

---

Piotr,

please give up on that. I knew all the time, Albanian word karpë (rock) is what the word "Carpathians" came from. Carpathian mountains have nothing to do with Hungarians or Slavs, sorry. It was Albanian territory forever, like Coruscant or the inner core of Naboo.

---

Serbs are Russian Gypsies in this context.
(PRN, 1 July 2010 16:33)

This is correct, PRN. We also know, Albanians are Jedi Knights from Coruscant, wardens of the known universe since at least 100 million years.

PRN

"2. Serbs and Serbia is a creation of Russia and Russians, so Serbia's cradle is at you own country at carpathian mountains. In addition Serbs came to Balkans just the same as Gypsies came from India to the Balkans."

Good heavens, guy, PLEASE pick up a good encyclopedia or spend some time on the net learning a little about history and geography!

Just some pointers:

1) The Carpathian Mountains are not in Russia (not even close, in fact).

2) Slavs did not originate in the Carpathian Mountains.

3) Learn a little about Serbian ethnogenesis.

"3. Albania and Albanian are the ROOTS of the Balkans. Much before (several thousands years ago)any of today what today we call nations came to this region, Albanians were eating with Silver spoons. "

Albanians were first chronicled historically in the 11th Century. Illyrians were last chronicled in the 7th Century (the same century that Slavs started settling in the Balkans and assimilating the locals).

"4. Russia should mind its business, because it is the AMONG the most corrupted countries on earth, where democracy is only on the paper."

And Albania is what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_Map_Index_of_perception_of_corruption_2009.svg

Albania's (indeed the whole Balkans) corruption levels are comparable to countries in Latin America, Africa and Asia (including Russia).

It does not matter where Albanians came from.

Kosovo is a province of Serbia. That is the legal status. Long established.

Throughout history there never was a country of Kosovo and there is no need for one now.

The West has been suckered into trying to introduce an illegal udi. It is not a good solution, and given the history of Albanians ethnically cleansing Serbs long before Milosevic, it is amazing that the west is prepared to support what is in actuality a strong mono-ethnic attitude amongst Albanians.

The ICJ may well give some legal support to the invasion of Serbian lands - laws do change and courts do pervert (sorry interpret) the law occasionally. However, the invention of a new country is not a necessary step in this case - heavy imposition by big powers is what is happening here, and the court should reject that. I suspect that it won't though, because the ICJ is the servant, not the master.

There seems to be more panic on the albo side these days. Especially when the american ambassador to the phoney state criticizes the corrupt, phoney government. The politically expedient thing to do is declare the UDI illegal so the west can walk away from throwing good money down kosovo. us vp wants to walk away from Afghanistan and Iraq - why not kosovo too?

PRN

"Please enlighten yourself with history that ALbanians are OLDEST nation in the Balkans."

I never doubted that.

"2) Slavs did not originate in the Carpathian Mountains. Most of the sources say that Serbs came from Carpathian Mountains.

I DID NOT SAY ALL SLAVS CAME FROM CARPATHIAN MOUNTAINS."

I don't know what sources claim that Serbs originate in the Carpathian Mountains, but historically, Slavs settled in the Carpathian Mountains and did not originate from them.

Historically, they were inhabited by ancient Illyrian and Dacian tribes, which were later assimilated by the invading Slavs.

"3) Learn a little about Serbian ethnogenesis. There is no much to learn. As I said earlier Serbs came from Russia to Europe just the same as Gypsies came India to the Balkans. In other words, Serbs are Russian Gypsies in this context.
(PRN, 1 July 2010 16:33) "

Actually, Proto-Slavs originate in SE Poland/NW Ukraine, while the very first mention of a Serbian homeland was actually in what is now East Germany/West Poland (also today's Silesia).

Today's Lusatian Sorbs are original remnants of this homeland from ancient times).

This region was known as "White Serbia":

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Migration_of_Serbs.png/220px-Migration_of_Serbs.png

Similarly, Croats originate from what was called "White Croatia", which essentially what is now Southern Poland/Slovakia (also today's Moravia).

Here is another map:

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/baltics_1000.jpg

These Serbian Slavic invaders then settled in the Balkan regions (essentially Ancient Illyrium, Moesia Superior and Dacia), in the process, assimilating the native Balkan tribes in the areas (which is why Serbs show a high tendency of ancient Neolithic and Paleolithic paternal haplogroups, which are native to the Balkans, while also retaining their UP typically more Northern European haplogroups, found among other Slavs, Germanic, Baltic and Celtic folk).

So to say that Serbs are "Russian gypsies" is incorrect, because modern Serbs are a hybrid of the ancient Slavic invaders and ancient Balkan natives, therefore, partly related to you and Romanians.

I posted a very detailed reply in another thread, but for some reason B92 blocked it, when it was simply anthropological and genetic data and nothing offensive or controversial in nature.

Albanians were first chronicled historically in the 11th Century. Illyrians were last chronicled in the 7th Century (the same century that Slavs started settling in the Balkans and assimilating the locals).
(Peter Sudyka, 1 July 2010 15:41)

Peter, there are records of ancient Albanian Jedi ritual - it's over 100 million year old, comes straight from inner core of Naboo.

1) Find an "Iriqi Kosoves" (Poles may call it "Je¿ Kosovsky" or somewhat like that.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/26059268

2) Apply a stripe of green paint to the top of his head. Poor iriqi maybe won't like it, but Jedi rituals are more important than what a "je¿" likes or not.

3) Try to kiss his nose.

4) If you are a true Albanian Jedi, "Je¿ Kosovsky" will bite your nose in his turn.

http://www.fotohumoristike.com/albums/userpics/10001/3/normal_iriqi.jpg

This proves: Kosovo is as much Albanian as the inner core of Naboo.

PEGGY
"So let's just forget all this rubbish and take a look at the situation from the break up of Yugoslavia"

I think you mean the destruction of the people of yugoslavia by the serbians and that is what has happened and for kosovo, it means not going back to how things were before the war. the only thing Serbia put on offer was " serbias land but not the people" if anything a compromise was a republic status with serbia "serbia Kosovo" but even that serbia would just not put that on the negotiating table

BTW PRN I wanted to clarify one more thing. When I was talking about the Carpathians originally being inhabited by Dacians and Illyrians, I was refering to Carpathian mountains in the Balkans. Northern Carpathians was inhabited by Slavs and Arpad Magyars.

I wonder if Konuzin has the power to stop Kosova Telecomunication Agency from destroying/confiscating and /or removing the telekom srbija remaining equipment for good next week.So much for Ruskies power.
(Kosova-USA, 1 July 2010, 19:10)

That is a silly thing to say. It is like saying, "I wonder if Hillary Clinton has the power to stop Serbian mobile providers in the north. So much for American power."

Both statements are ridiculous.

All this talk about who came from where and when is so ridiculous as it has no bearing on today's situation at all.

If we gave any weight to 2000 year old maps then we are going to be changing the world as we know it.

America wouldn't exist and neither would Australia. All the people apart from the inidgenous people of America and Australia should be either kicked out or swear allegence to new powers, i.e. Indians and Aborigines.

We can't even try to go into any other countries formed since WW2.
So let's just forget all this rubbish and take a look at the situation from the break up of Yugoslavia and sort that out.
If Albanians think they can rewrite history and maps now they are sadly mistaken.

Alvó-albó Józsi/Je¿ Atamañski

I don't know how you did it, but you've outdone yourself again, my friend! Keep it up!

PEGGY
"So let's just forget all this rubbish and take a look at the situation from the break up of Yugoslavia"

I think you mean the destruction of the people of yugoslavia by the serbians and that is what has happened and for kosovo,
================

NO, I don't mean that at all.
Do you ever run out of venom?

I wonder if Konuzin has the power to stop Kosova Telecomunication Agency from destroying/confiscating and /or removing the telekom srbija remaining equipment for good next week.So much for Ruskies power.
(Kosova-USA, 1 July 2010 19:10)

Kosovo’s so called freedom is coming up to 12 years and what has happened????????? Not a blessed thing. You guys are scraping a living out of dirt. Kosova Telecommunication Agency will not touch Serbian equipment again – your allies have told Thaci and co to mind his own business.
Hey, where is your beloved US? Aren’t they busy dying in Afghanistan and Iraq???? They lost 80 last month – so much for US and NATO power, ha, ha, ah. How about bringing some industry to Kosova?

What does Konuzin think about Georgia's territorial integrity?