"Exchange of territory is dangerous"

Albanian language media in Priština have taken to quoting western diplomatic sources in the past few weeks to report that Serbia would, after the decision of the International Court of Justice (ICJ), offer negotiations about a "new border with Kosovo", and also to exchange "northern Kosovo for Preševo (valley)". (B92)

-- I don't recall Belgrade offering to exchange something it has for ... something it has. Granted Albanian media does get credit for creativity and the rationale for a domino effect after the first domino in Pristina has fallen is just priceless, it would probably seem reasonable to predict any post-ICJ initiatives by Belgrade would focus only on Kosovo; not those areas mercifully left out of it.

You will never live to see your fantasy come true, PRN, because greater albania is in your head. You cannot steal someone else's land to create a kingdom for yourself. Besides, why would you want more land to ruin, create more unemployment, retard growth, etc. I think the black hole (a Kosovo) is enough of a failed project. Besides, albanians came from Sicily, what ridiculous borders are you talking about? How can the Balkans ever border Sicily?

So let me get this straight: The Serbs get a favorable decicion at the ICJ and then decides to give albanians even more territory? Yeah that sounds like a great plan.
Serbia can not take or give land to itself. Kosovo is Serbia! Presevo is Serbia!
The only thing Serbia should negotiate with the albanians is how to get rid of Thaci and co. and deport all criminal elements back to Albania.

first off kosovo is not independent and second preshovo valley is not mostly albanians today its about 50-50 and the albanians are decreasing in numbers in the valley . so we all see this albanian expansion in other people's lands as they think they will get this great albania in the expense of Serbian lands and slavic macedonias lands well. in serbia they wont get nothing and the greeks want their lands back from south albinia and north albania is serbian lands and the world should push for a census in albania because they never had one in history and the one in 1989 was not a real census and we know there is 500,000 greeks in albania and there is 300,000 slavic macedonians there and 200,000 gypsys and there is 20,000 bulgarians and 50,000 serbs so i am guessing out of the 3.2 million people that live in albania maybe 2 million are actual albanians and just like in kosovo the real albanian number is about 1-1.2 million albanians not 2 million, albanians like to add numbers that dont exist

Right on Gajo. Not only do they like to inflate numbers, but in Kosmet there are more albans than pre 99. After the occuiers arrived for albanians it was a free for all - who can steal the most Serbian property/land.

The diplomats know that the ICJ verdict will be in Serbias favor. Thats why they tell this story. When the ICJ decision comes, Serbia has according to all the world law right to decide what it will be of Kosovo and how to proceed. Wait and see.

Albanian language media in Priština have taken to quoting western diplomatic sources in the past few weeks to report that Serbia would, after the decision of the International Court of Justice (ICJ), offer negotiations about a "new border with Kosovo", and also to exchange "northern Kosovo for Preševo (valley)".


Even a 5 year old kid knows what Serbia is offering and talking, but everything behind close doors, yet for public consumtion they will say anything and everything.

PRN

This has got to be a windup!

"Exchange of territory is dangerous"

Naturally is dangerous because in Theory ALL Serbia should become a province of Albania, which in turn in practice may be rather problematic at this point.

We are ready to wait a couple of years to get liberated all natural Albania, which in turn will source of peace and justice for generation that have gone and the generations to come.

We have got to a bit patient.

Let me predict some response from both sides here:

Serbs - no need to exchange territories since all of Kosovo belongs to Serbia and we will not give and inch away.

Albanians - no need to exchange territories since all of Kosovo is ours - we will not give and inch away - and Presheva should join Kosovo or at least get autonomy.


You might call that a patriotic stance of a someone who loves their country, which I respect - but the result is a vicious circle of never ending trouble and tension.

I think there is only ony thing that can change the situation on the ground so that either side gets exactly what they want: Serbs - Kosovo becomes part of Serbia again, and Albanians - Kosovo integrates the 'North'.... and that thing is violence / force.

There is nothing Serbia could ever offer to Albanians that will make us change our minds to accept Serbia as our state, so unless Serbia can get rid of albanians by force (which it tried in 1999) then independence is a done deal... and if serbs in 'north' of Kosovo feel the same way as we do, I can't see how Kosovo goverment can integrate them without using force and basically forcing them to leave.

Taking the above into consideration, some form of agreed exchange of territory might not be such a bad idea in exchange of long lasting peace, stability and prosperity.

"Taking the above into consideration, some form of agreed exchange of territory might not be such a bad idea in exchange of long lasting peace, stability and prosperity." (nikshala)

-- I agree that this issue is both repetitive and ridiculous. You know my proposal. What do you suggest?

How can albanians exchange land with Balto Slavik people?

Maybe get all the Albanians immigrants from the Baltic states and replace them with Serbs, that way everybody wins, Serbia is closser to Russia and its kin.
Serbs can just say that they got lost in the way immigrating to find their own brothers.
The balkans would be stress and Serb free and life would go on as it always did.

Gentlemen,

I am Albanian as well, who was born and raised in Prishtina. I have heard so many arguments from both sides, and naturally I think the Albanian ones are stronger, however when I think of future generations and prevailing peace in the region the only solution that would be somewhat possible is northern part for Presheva valley.

Having said that, the moment that happens, there is no reason for Kosovo to exist any longer, at that point I think Kosovo should go into confederation with Albania which would be natural progression.

On the other hand, I think Republika Srpska should get the same, and become confederation with Serbia. You can't stop that, just like you can't stop Albanians for wanting to live in the territories that they lived for millenniums.

I know many will argue against, but this is the sad reality..... I wish there was a better solution, but there is none. Serbs will be our neighbors, and we will be theirs.

These are my two cents on this issue

The diplomats know that the ICJ verdict will be in Serbias favor. Thats why they tell this story. When the ICJ decision comes, Serbia has according to all the world law right to decide what it will be of Kosovo and how to proceed. Wait and see.
(Staff, 29 June 2010 21:32)

I think you could be onto something there. Judging from the reports in the Albanian media, it seems to indicate that the verdict will not be to Pristina's liking so in effect NATO is preparing the population for a soft landing. That is my interpretation but as a wise old man once said we must wait and see.

I'm not sure how to take seriously those Serbs comments who are being emotional about Kosovo.This regime under Tadic is incapable of recovering Kosovo.No ICJ judgement , no tub thumping can shift the fact that the majority Albanian poulation will not give up their independence.
You can walk about with 10000 ICJ judgements but it ain't going to change.The USA and demography particularly the latter are decisive here.Tadic is going through the motions.
Imagine Croatia behaving like this in 1995 and then compare the to this buffoon regime.Can you imagine this regime recovering Kosovo?..It's losing Vojvodina where the Hungarians give or take a few years will seek self determination for their part.Anothe ICJ petition and more flights to middling states seeking support?
Kosovo is lost.Krajina was lost.Republika Srpska is being sold out and Vojvodina follows.But we've still got Belgrade and a few miles of countryside!Enjoy your Summer!

Statement: :According to the Kuqi, it would be "best to solve the problem by European integrations!"

Yes,It would, but Kosovo has no european perspektive as long its not a realy rule of law state.

Exchange of territory is actually very good! Face it! You Serbs and Albanians can´t live together. Albanians claim your entire country as a part of Illyria, you claim Kosovo and Albania as part of medieval Serbia. Exchange the territories fairly and move on!

first off kosovo is not independent and second preshovo valley is not mostly albanians today its about 50-50 and the albanians are decreasing in numbers in the valley . so we all see this albanian expansion in other people's lands as they think they will get this great albania in the expense of Serbian lands and slavic macedonias lands well. in serbia they wont get nothing and the greeks want their lands back from south albinia and north albania is serbian lands and the world should push for a census in albania because they never had one in history and the one in 1989 was not a real census and we know there is 500,000 greeks in albania and there is 300,000 slavic macedonians there and 200,000 gypsys and there is 20,000 bulgarians and 50,000 serbs so i am guessing out of the 3.2 million people that live in albania maybe 2 million are actual albanians and just like in kosovo the real albanian number is about 1-1.2 million albanians not 2 million, albanians like to add numbers that dont exist

"Exchange of territory is dangerous"

Naturally is dangerous because in Theory ALL Serbia should become a province of Albania, which in turn in practice may be rather problematic at this point.

We are ready to wait a couple of years to get liberated all natural Albania, which in turn will source of peace and justice for generation that have gone and the generations to come.

We have got to a bit patient.

Albanian language media in Priština have taken to quoting western diplomatic sources in the past few weeks to report that Serbia would, after the decision of the International Court of Justice (ICJ), offer negotiations about a "new border with Kosovo", and also to exchange "northern Kosovo for Preševo (valley)". (B92)

-- I don't recall Belgrade offering to exchange something it has for ... something it has. Granted Albanian media does get credit for creativity and the rationale for a domino effect after the first domino in Pristina has fallen is just priceless, it would probably seem reasonable to predict any post-ICJ initiatives by Belgrade would focus only on Kosovo; not those areas mercifully left out of it.

Albanian language media in Priština have taken to quoting western diplomatic sources in the past few weeks to report that Serbia would, after the decision of the International Court of Justice (ICJ), offer negotiations about a "new border with Kosovo", and also to exchange "northern Kosovo for Preševo (valley)".


Even a 5 year old kid knows what Serbia is offering and talking, but everything behind close doors, yet for public consumtion they will say anything and everything.

How can albanians exchange land with Balto Slavik people?

Maybe get all the Albanians immigrants from the Baltic states and replace them with Serbs, that way everybody wins, Serbia is closser to Russia and its kin.
Serbs can just say that they got lost in the way immigrating to find their own brothers.
The balkans would be stress and Serb free and life would go on as it always did.

Let me predict some response from both sides here:

Serbs - no need to exchange territories since all of Kosovo belongs to Serbia and we will not give and inch away.

Albanians - no need to exchange territories since all of Kosovo is ours - we will not give and inch away - and Presheva should join Kosovo or at least get autonomy.


You might call that a patriotic stance of a someone who loves their country, which I respect - but the result is a vicious circle of never ending trouble and tension.

I think there is only ony thing that can change the situation on the ground so that either side gets exactly what they want: Serbs - Kosovo becomes part of Serbia again, and Albanians - Kosovo integrates the 'North'.... and that thing is violence / force.

There is nothing Serbia could ever offer to Albanians that will make us change our minds to accept Serbia as our state, so unless Serbia can get rid of albanians by force (which it tried in 1999) then independence is a done deal... and if serbs in 'north' of Kosovo feel the same way as we do, I can't see how Kosovo goverment can integrate them without using force and basically forcing them to leave.

Taking the above into consideration, some form of agreed exchange of territory might not be such a bad idea in exchange of long lasting peace, stability and prosperity.

You will never live to see your fantasy come true, PRN, because greater albania is in your head. You cannot steal someone else's land to create a kingdom for yourself. Besides, why would you want more land to ruin, create more unemployment, retard growth, etc. I think the black hole (a Kosovo) is enough of a failed project. Besides, albanians came from Sicily, what ridiculous borders are you talking about? How can the Balkans ever border Sicily?

Right on Gajo. Not only do they like to inflate numbers, but in Kosmet there are more albans than pre 99. After the occuiers arrived for albanians it was a free for all - who can steal the most Serbian property/land.

So let me get this straight: The Serbs get a favorable decicion at the ICJ and then decides to give albanians even more territory? Yeah that sounds like a great plan.
Serbia can not take or give land to itself. Kosovo is Serbia! Presevo is Serbia!
The only thing Serbia should negotiate with the albanians is how to get rid of Thaci and co. and deport all criminal elements back to Albania.

The diplomats know that the ICJ verdict will be in Serbias favor. Thats why they tell this story. When the ICJ decision comes, Serbia has according to all the world law right to decide what it will be of Kosovo and how to proceed. Wait and see.

"Taking the above into consideration, some form of agreed exchange of territory might not be such a bad idea in exchange of long lasting peace, stability and prosperity." (nikshala)

-- I agree that this issue is both repetitive and ridiculous. You know my proposal. What do you suggest?

PRN

This has got to be a windup!

I'm not sure how to take seriously those Serbs comments who are being emotional about Kosovo.This regime under Tadic is incapable of recovering Kosovo.No ICJ judgement , no tub thumping can shift the fact that the majority Albanian poulation will not give up their independence.
You can walk about with 10000 ICJ judgements but it ain't going to change.The USA and demography particularly the latter are decisive here.Tadic is going through the motions.
Imagine Croatia behaving like this in 1995 and then compare the to this buffoon regime.Can you imagine this regime recovering Kosovo?..It's losing Vojvodina where the Hungarians give or take a few years will seek self determination for their part.Anothe ICJ petition and more flights to middling states seeking support?
Kosovo is lost.Krajina was lost.Republika Srpska is being sold out and Vojvodina follows.But we've still got Belgrade and a few miles of countryside!Enjoy your Summer!

The diplomats know that the ICJ verdict will be in Serbias favor. Thats why they tell this story. When the ICJ decision comes, Serbia has according to all the world law right to decide what it will be of Kosovo and how to proceed. Wait and see.
(Staff, 29 June 2010 21:32)

I think you could be onto something there. Judging from the reports in the Albanian media, it seems to indicate that the verdict will not be to Pristina's liking so in effect NATO is preparing the population for a soft landing. That is my interpretation but as a wise old man once said we must wait and see.

Statement: :According to the Kuqi, it would be "best to solve the problem by European integrations!"

Yes,It would, but Kosovo has no european perspektive as long its not a realy rule of law state.

Gentlemen,

I am Albanian as well, who was born and raised in Prishtina. I have heard so many arguments from both sides, and naturally I think the Albanian ones are stronger, however when I think of future generations and prevailing peace in the region the only solution that would be somewhat possible is northern part for Presheva valley.

Having said that, the moment that happens, there is no reason for Kosovo to exist any longer, at that point I think Kosovo should go into confederation with Albania which would be natural progression.

On the other hand, I think Republika Srpska should get the same, and become confederation with Serbia. You can't stop that, just like you can't stop Albanians for wanting to live in the territories that they lived for millenniums.

I know many will argue against, but this is the sad reality..... I wish there was a better solution, but there is none. Serbs will be our neighbors, and we will be theirs.

These are my two cents on this issue

Exchange of territory is actually very good! Face it! You Serbs and Albanians can´t live together. Albanians claim your entire country as a part of Illyria, you claim Kosovo and Albania as part of medieval Serbia. Exchange the territories fairly and move on!