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Monday, 28.06.2010.

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Kosovo, Albanian PMs on ICJ opinion

The Kosovo Albanian, and Albanian PMs stated that they believe that the ICJ decision will work to the advantage of Kosovo.

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pss

pre 13 godina

Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners? I just mentioned it above, find out which one it is.
(Ataman, 29 June 2010 02:37)
Not sure of the Nobel Price winners but if you are talking about Nobel Prize winners you can find the answer here
http://www.aneki.com/nobel.html
and your answer is not even close Russia 14, Israel 5, China did not make the list.
US 270, UK 101, Germany 76 etc, etc.
You probably need to find another argument, you went bust on this one.

Ilyrian

pre 13 godina

Ataman wrote: "Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners?"
Inconvenient question:who is stronger, Van Dame or Mike Tyson?

Aleks

pre 13 godina

How is it that there are quite a number of albanian commenters on b92 who love to peddle irrelevant statistics when it comes to recognitions? Is it so hard to accept the basic fact that each member of the UN has an equal vote no matter on their size or wealth? Sure, there are rich countries who bribe and blackmail other countries to recognize 'Kosova' (democracy and free will at work LOL!), but why this obsession with meaningless statistics???? Is it to make up for some sort of other inadequacy?

As for Serbia joining the EU (and I'm getting sick of repeating this to those so abundantly ignorant of the EU), Enlargment becomes Qualified Majority Voting with the Lisbon Treaty. And don't give us all this guff that countries that recognize 'Kosova' = countries that will vote against Serbia joining the EU. It's like some people think the Internet is only b92.net...

Ataman

pre 13 godina

How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?
(miri, 28 June 2010 21:21)

Russia, Ukraina has quite a few Serbs. Prove to that is the famous restaurant "011" in Moscow. You know precisely what city has "011" area code, don't you?

Moldova: not many foreigners live there, but more than in Somalia.
Lybia: inshallah, how many Albanians live in Saudi Arabia?
China: where are Albanians living in Japan? Hard to learn the language?

Conveniently forgotten: Brazil, with "Brazilski farmer" who posts here once in a while. Conveniently forgotten: Israel, with large Israeli community in Belgrade and quite a few Israelis posting here.

Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners? I just mentioned it above, find out which one it is.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 19:27)

Yes, and all combined don't make up the numbers of Nobel price winners of Israeli, Russian, Chinese citizens.

This is an other way to calculate: the majority brain power of the planet is from countries which did not recognize.

You can band GDP any way you like. For instance, most of America's "produce" is internal service which is not even needed.

Example: you have a speeding ticket. In America you call a lawyer and contribute to GDP. In, say, Moldova you negotiate with the cop and pay him 10 Euro. Corruption? Yes, in the fact, both are. But only in America the corruption is part of GDP! This is how American system works. I know it well, nothing to hide, right?

Skiff

pre 13 godina

Wow, who would have thought that even Albania would become a province of Serbia? I mean, if it brings peace to the region then it's something to be considered.
(Zoran, 28 June 2010 15:53)

This is not the first time i have read such proposterous remarks, about Albania becoming a Serb provice from you Zoran,

What do you want with my country? more territory? is not moesia superior enough? Not statisfied till you come to sea at further expense of Albanians?

How is the ballkans supposed to move foreward where you STILL have nationalists dreaming for territorial expansion.

sj

pre 13 godina

How come there is no Serb who is against EU and US that doesn't live in EU and US?
How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?
(miri, 28 June 2010 21:21)


I am a Serb and don’t live in the EU or US, but in Asia and I am against the US and EU and watch with delight as they both sink in the pit of Afghanistan. Losing the war is inevitable and you don’t recover from such an event no matter how much propaganda you put in the media


The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 19:27)


Do you actually think that if they recognise this so called Kosovo prosperity will some rub off onto the Albanians? However if you are so widely recognised why don’t these 60% of GDP countries bring industry to this Kosova instead of leaving you people to scratch a living out of dirt? When you Albos provide a real answer to these questions you might stop writing rubbish to satisfy your ego.

Let me repeat it again – if Belgrade does not agree Kosovo is dead in the water no matter how many countries recognise it.


ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Yep and my grandfather is coming back from the dead.

Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!
(Fact, 28 June 2010 16:16)

In the scheme of the EU Kosovo is nothing at all compared to Serbia? The EU is willing to negotiate Serbia’s entry well be Kosovo; so according to your logic then Serbia can forever block Kosovo’s entry.

EULEX was allowed in by Tadic and can be removed just as quickly, but ask yourself what has changed for Kosovo in the last 11 going on 12 years of so called freedom?

metrod

pre 13 godina

More recognitions after ICJ ruling?

But, I thought recognitions would be overturned after the ICJ ruling. This is what I read from some serious, informed and knowledgeable posters on B92.

They predicted that the declaration of independence would not take place, no one would recognize Kosovo as an independent country, and Kosovo would go back to Serbia and would 'enjoy' some kind of autonomy.

I'm holding my breath!

miri

pre 13 godina

Serbs do not want to be in the EU, and the fact is EU needs Serbia more then Serbia needs EU!

The EU is on its back side and USA is same!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI
(Vasojevici UK, 28 June 2010 17:01)

How come there is no Serb who is against EU and US that doesn't live in EU and US?
How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?

trn

pre 13 godina

ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Yeah, if only the UN = Unfinished Negotiations.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

If however they actually think definitive statehood and solid support from major state recognitions (I suspect they don't but they do tend to lie a lot), they are only duping their flock.
(Mike, 28 June 2010 16:45)

The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

And it takes just 1 of 22 to block Serbia from the EU, Fact.
Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!
(Fact, 28 June 2010 16:16)

Serbs do not want to be in the EU, and the fact is EU needs Serbia more then Serbia needs EU!

The EU is on its back side and USA is same!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

Fact

pre 13 godina

FACT DEAL WITH IT!!!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI
(Vasojevici UK, 28 June 2010 15:03)
And it takes just 1 of 22 to block Serbia from the EU, Fact.
Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!

Mike

pre 13 godina

If by "work[ing] to the advantage of Kosovo" is code for "not reattaching Kosovo entirely back to the rest of Serbia" and "new recognitions" is code for more peripheral countries with the same pull as Somalia and Swaziland, then yes, Hash and Sali are correct.

If however they actually think definitive statehood and solid support from major state recognitions (I suspect they don't but they do tend to lie a lot), they are only duping their flock.

winston

pre 13 godina

More lie in your face political jibberish from Thaci and old school commie Berisha. A_Kosovo and Albania are not factors of stability, but rather major hubs of crime - you name the kind. The Balkans would be a beautiful place if all the Albanians went back to their homeland, Sicily. These KLA jokers are a, well, joke.

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

(Vasojevici UK
22 there are more than 5 serbia in EU+USA=stay home
(dardan illiri, 28 June 2010 13:55)

And it takes just one of those five to block you just like Greece has done with Macedonia and Slovenia with Croatia and I am afraid to tell you this but these five will not budge! FACT DEAL WITH IT!!!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

Since you seems to know so much about how the police works in Kosovo and Albania, does this mean that stolen cars in EU can now move freely in BETWEEN Albania and Kosovo and not only in them separately as before?
(Srboslav, 28 June 2010 13:08)

Is not that I know so much, but I was presnet when the MoU was signed right at the Vermica crossing. Also, media was there during the signing ceremony, but don't understand why Serb media in general chose not to report this very imprtant news to its own people!!!

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Actually they are becoming one country.If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 11:16)
--
Wow, who would have thought that even Albania would become a province of Serbia? I mean, if it brings peace to the region then it's something to be considered.

Paladin, San Francisco

pre 13 godina

Kosovo has shown itself to be a factor of stability in the region,” Berisha said.

As long as no one DARES to arrest their law breakers.

War criminals and big-time narco and human trafficers roam freely under the noses of EU and NATO cowards.

I still remember the words of the Hungarian EU official giving his opinion on Kosovars:

WE ARE AFFRAID OF THEM.

The Serbs will never let the cowardly West pay tribute to narco terrorists with Serbian land.

J.S.

pre 13 godina

The Question before the ICJ is really: Is Terrorism Legal Under International Law; Is Stealing Territory Legal Under International Law; and, Is Racism Legal Under International Law?

That is the same as asking: Was the Unilateral Declaration of Independence by the Kosovo Albanian Legal under International Law?

The Learned Judges at the ICJ know that the Albanians want, and have wanted Independence for over 132 years since their League of Prizren Declaration in 1878.

The Learned Judges at the ICJ further know that the Albanians want Independence even after the peace settlement United Nations Security Council 1244 was agreed to and signed.

There are many people including some Learned Judges at the ICJ who think that the only reasons Albanians want independence is because of being terrorists, thieves, and racists.

For these and other reasons, and the Albanians of Kosovo are only entitled to Negotiated Autonomy.

Serbia will give the Kosovo Albanians that Negotiated Autonomy, and the world is only willing to grant the Kosovo Albanians Negotiated Autonomy.

Srboslav

pre 13 godina

If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.The MoU was signed few weeks ago, and this will be good for sumer season, but who knows it may continue for ever.
By the way, the KP will deal with any vehicle with KS plates, but will assist albanian police if need arises and vice versa.
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 11:16)

Since you seems to know so much about how the police works in Kosovo and Albania, does this mean that stolen cars in EU can now move freely in BETWEEN Albania and Kosovo and not only in them separately as before?

Top

pre 13 godina

Kosovo, some call it the black hole of Europe, is a factor of stability? Funny.

Maybe he was thinking of the situation of the latest state that recognized Kosovo, Somalia? Compared to that, Kosovo is a safe haven, a factor of stability, and a prosperous country with law and order.

Radoslav

pre 13 godina

ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Can you explain exactly how that will happen with the Russian and Chinese veto or is it another one of your fairy tales?

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Kosova-USA, it's summer, not sumer. Great education you have. You should be forbidden from having USA attached to your internet ID since you cannot even take time to spell such a rudimentary word correctly.

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

I am going to say this in clear English!!!

RUSSIA AND CHINA = NO UN

SLOVAKIA, SPAIN, ROMANIA, GREECE AND CYPRUS = NO EU

Also why the hell are the rest of the EU club going to let the biggest mess up in world financially, politicly and human rights wise let you in

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

relations "between the two countries" were excellent


Actually they are becoming one country.If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.The MoU was signed few weeks ago, and this will be good for sumer season, but who knows it may continue for ever.
By the way, the KP will deal with any vehicle with KS plates, but will assist albanian police if need arises and vice versa.

Radoslav

pre 13 godina

ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Can you explain exactly how that will happen with the Russian and Chinese veto or is it another one of your fairy tales?

Srboslav

pre 13 godina

If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.The MoU was signed few weeks ago, and this will be good for sumer season, but who knows it may continue for ever.
By the way, the KP will deal with any vehicle with KS plates, but will assist albanian police if need arises and vice versa.
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 11:16)

Since you seems to know so much about how the police works in Kosovo and Albania, does this mean that stolen cars in EU can now move freely in BETWEEN Albania and Kosovo and not only in them separately as before?

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

I am going to say this in clear English!!!

RUSSIA AND CHINA = NO UN

SLOVAKIA, SPAIN, ROMANIA, GREECE AND CYPRUS = NO EU

Also why the hell are the rest of the EU club going to let the biggest mess up in world financially, politicly and human rights wise let you in

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

relations "between the two countries" were excellent


Actually they are becoming one country.If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.The MoU was signed few weeks ago, and this will be good for sumer season, but who knows it may continue for ever.
By the way, the KP will deal with any vehicle with KS plates, but will assist albanian police if need arises and vice versa.

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Kosova-USA, it's summer, not sumer. Great education you have. You should be forbidden from having USA attached to your internet ID since you cannot even take time to spell such a rudimentary word correctly.

J.S.

pre 13 godina

The Question before the ICJ is really: Is Terrorism Legal Under International Law; Is Stealing Territory Legal Under International Law; and, Is Racism Legal Under International Law?

That is the same as asking: Was the Unilateral Declaration of Independence by the Kosovo Albanian Legal under International Law?

The Learned Judges at the ICJ know that the Albanians want, and have wanted Independence for over 132 years since their League of Prizren Declaration in 1878.

The Learned Judges at the ICJ further know that the Albanians want Independence even after the peace settlement United Nations Security Council 1244 was agreed to and signed.

There are many people including some Learned Judges at the ICJ who think that the only reasons Albanians want independence is because of being terrorists, thieves, and racists.

For these and other reasons, and the Albanians of Kosovo are only entitled to Negotiated Autonomy.

Serbia will give the Kosovo Albanians that Negotiated Autonomy, and the world is only willing to grant the Kosovo Albanians Negotiated Autonomy.

Top

pre 13 godina

Kosovo, some call it the black hole of Europe, is a factor of stability? Funny.

Maybe he was thinking of the situation of the latest state that recognized Kosovo, Somalia? Compared to that, Kosovo is a safe haven, a factor of stability, and a prosperous country with law and order.

Paladin, San Francisco

pre 13 godina

Kosovo has shown itself to be a factor of stability in the region,” Berisha said.

As long as no one DARES to arrest their law breakers.

War criminals and big-time narco and human trafficers roam freely under the noses of EU and NATO cowards.

I still remember the words of the Hungarian EU official giving his opinion on Kosovars:

WE ARE AFFRAID OF THEM.

The Serbs will never let the cowardly West pay tribute to narco terrorists with Serbian land.

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

(Vasojevici UK
22 there are more than 5 serbia in EU+USA=stay home
(dardan illiri, 28 June 2010 13:55)

And it takes just one of those five to block you just like Greece has done with Macedonia and Slovenia with Croatia and I am afraid to tell you this but these five will not budge! FACT DEAL WITH IT!!!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

And it takes just 1 of 22 to block Serbia from the EU, Fact.
Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!
(Fact, 28 June 2010 16:16)

Serbs do not want to be in the EU, and the fact is EU needs Serbia more then Serbia needs EU!

The EU is on its back side and USA is same!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

winston

pre 13 godina

More lie in your face political jibberish from Thaci and old school commie Berisha. A_Kosovo and Albania are not factors of stability, but rather major hubs of crime - you name the kind. The Balkans would be a beautiful place if all the Albanians went back to their homeland, Sicily. These KLA jokers are a, well, joke.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Actually they are becoming one country.If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 11:16)
--
Wow, who would have thought that even Albania would become a province of Serbia? I mean, if it brings peace to the region then it's something to be considered.

Mike

pre 13 godina

If by "work[ing] to the advantage of Kosovo" is code for "not reattaching Kosovo entirely back to the rest of Serbia" and "new recognitions" is code for more peripheral countries with the same pull as Somalia and Swaziland, then yes, Hash and Sali are correct.

If however they actually think definitive statehood and solid support from major state recognitions (I suspect they don't but they do tend to lie a lot), they are only duping their flock.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

Since you seems to know so much about how the police works in Kosovo and Albania, does this mean that stolen cars in EU can now move freely in BETWEEN Albania and Kosovo and not only in them separately as before?
(Srboslav, 28 June 2010 13:08)

Is not that I know so much, but I was presnet when the MoU was signed right at the Vermica crossing. Also, media was there during the signing ceremony, but don't understand why Serb media in general chose not to report this very imprtant news to its own people!!!

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

If however they actually think definitive statehood and solid support from major state recognitions (I suspect they don't but they do tend to lie a lot), they are only duping their flock.
(Mike, 28 June 2010 16:45)

The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?

miri

pre 13 godina

Serbs do not want to be in the EU, and the fact is EU needs Serbia more then Serbia needs EU!

The EU is on its back side and USA is same!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI
(Vasojevici UK, 28 June 2010 17:01)

How come there is no Serb who is against EU and US that doesn't live in EU and US?
How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?

Fact

pre 13 godina

FACT DEAL WITH IT!!!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI
(Vasojevici UK, 28 June 2010 15:03)
And it takes just 1 of 22 to block Serbia from the EU, Fact.
Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!

trn

pre 13 godina

ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Yeah, if only the UN = Unfinished Negotiations.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 19:27)

Yes, and all combined don't make up the numbers of Nobel price winners of Israeli, Russian, Chinese citizens.

This is an other way to calculate: the majority brain power of the planet is from countries which did not recognize.

You can band GDP any way you like. For instance, most of America's "produce" is internal service which is not even needed.

Example: you have a speeding ticket. In America you call a lawyer and contribute to GDP. In, say, Moldova you negotiate with the cop and pay him 10 Euro. Corruption? Yes, in the fact, both are. But only in America the corruption is part of GDP! This is how American system works. I know it well, nothing to hide, right?

Skiff

pre 13 godina

Wow, who would have thought that even Albania would become a province of Serbia? I mean, if it brings peace to the region then it's something to be considered.
(Zoran, 28 June 2010 15:53)

This is not the first time i have read such proposterous remarks, about Albania becoming a Serb provice from you Zoran,

What do you want with my country? more territory? is not moesia superior enough? Not statisfied till you come to sea at further expense of Albanians?

How is the ballkans supposed to move foreward where you STILL have nationalists dreaming for territorial expansion.

Ilyrian

pre 13 godina

Ataman wrote: "Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners?"
Inconvenient question:who is stronger, Van Dame or Mike Tyson?

metrod

pre 13 godina

More recognitions after ICJ ruling?

But, I thought recognitions would be overturned after the ICJ ruling. This is what I read from some serious, informed and knowledgeable posters on B92.

They predicted that the declaration of independence would not take place, no one would recognize Kosovo as an independent country, and Kosovo would go back to Serbia and would 'enjoy' some kind of autonomy.

I'm holding my breath!

Ataman

pre 13 godina

How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?
(miri, 28 June 2010 21:21)

Russia, Ukraina has quite a few Serbs. Prove to that is the famous restaurant "011" in Moscow. You know precisely what city has "011" area code, don't you?

Moldova: not many foreigners live there, but more than in Somalia.
Lybia: inshallah, how many Albanians live in Saudi Arabia?
China: where are Albanians living in Japan? Hard to learn the language?

Conveniently forgotten: Brazil, with "Brazilski farmer" who posts here once in a while. Conveniently forgotten: Israel, with large Israeli community in Belgrade and quite a few Israelis posting here.

Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners? I just mentioned it above, find out which one it is.

pss

pre 13 godina

Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners? I just mentioned it above, find out which one it is.
(Ataman, 29 June 2010 02:37)
Not sure of the Nobel Price winners but if you are talking about Nobel Prize winners you can find the answer here
http://www.aneki.com/nobel.html
and your answer is not even close Russia 14, Israel 5, China did not make the list.
US 270, UK 101, Germany 76 etc, etc.
You probably need to find another argument, you went bust on this one.

sj

pre 13 godina

How come there is no Serb who is against EU and US that doesn't live in EU and US?
How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?
(miri, 28 June 2010 21:21)


I am a Serb and don’t live in the EU or US, but in Asia and I am against the US and EU and watch with delight as they both sink in the pit of Afghanistan. Losing the war is inevitable and you don’t recover from such an event no matter how much propaganda you put in the media


The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 19:27)


Do you actually think that if they recognise this so called Kosovo prosperity will some rub off onto the Albanians? However if you are so widely recognised why don’t these 60% of GDP countries bring industry to this Kosova instead of leaving you people to scratch a living out of dirt? When you Albos provide a real answer to these questions you might stop writing rubbish to satisfy your ego.

Let me repeat it again – if Belgrade does not agree Kosovo is dead in the water no matter how many countries recognise it.


ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Yep and my grandfather is coming back from the dead.

Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!
(Fact, 28 June 2010 16:16)

In the scheme of the EU Kosovo is nothing at all compared to Serbia? The EU is willing to negotiate Serbia’s entry well be Kosovo; so according to your logic then Serbia can forever block Kosovo’s entry.

EULEX was allowed in by Tadic and can be removed just as quickly, but ask yourself what has changed for Kosovo in the last 11 going on 12 years of so called freedom?

Aleks

pre 13 godina

How is it that there are quite a number of albanian commenters on b92 who love to peddle irrelevant statistics when it comes to recognitions? Is it so hard to accept the basic fact that each member of the UN has an equal vote no matter on their size or wealth? Sure, there are rich countries who bribe and blackmail other countries to recognize 'Kosova' (democracy and free will at work LOL!), but why this obsession with meaningless statistics???? Is it to make up for some sort of other inadequacy?

As for Serbia joining the EU (and I'm getting sick of repeating this to those so abundantly ignorant of the EU), Enlargment becomes Qualified Majority Voting with the Lisbon Treaty. And don't give us all this guff that countries that recognize 'Kosova' = countries that will vote against Serbia joining the EU. It's like some people think the Internet is only b92.net...

Daniel

pre 13 godina

Kosova-USA, it's summer, not sumer. Great education you have. You should be forbidden from having USA attached to your internet ID since you cannot even take time to spell such a rudimentary word correctly.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

relations "between the two countries" were excellent


Actually they are becoming one country.If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.The MoU was signed few weeks ago, and this will be good for sumer season, but who knows it may continue for ever.
By the way, the KP will deal with any vehicle with KS plates, but will assist albanian police if need arises and vice versa.

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

I am going to say this in clear English!!!

RUSSIA AND CHINA = NO UN

SLOVAKIA, SPAIN, ROMANIA, GREECE AND CYPRUS = NO EU

Also why the hell are the rest of the EU club going to let the biggest mess up in world financially, politicly and human rights wise let you in

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

Srboslav

pre 13 godina

If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.The MoU was signed few weeks ago, and this will be good for sumer season, but who knows it may continue for ever.
By the way, the KP will deal with any vehicle with KS plates, but will assist albanian police if need arises and vice versa.
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 11:16)

Since you seems to know so much about how the police works in Kosovo and Albania, does this mean that stolen cars in EU can now move freely in BETWEEN Albania and Kosovo and not only in them separately as before?

J.S.

pre 13 godina

The Question before the ICJ is really: Is Terrorism Legal Under International Law; Is Stealing Territory Legal Under International Law; and, Is Racism Legal Under International Law?

That is the same as asking: Was the Unilateral Declaration of Independence by the Kosovo Albanian Legal under International Law?

The Learned Judges at the ICJ know that the Albanians want, and have wanted Independence for over 132 years since their League of Prizren Declaration in 1878.

The Learned Judges at the ICJ further know that the Albanians want Independence even after the peace settlement United Nations Security Council 1244 was agreed to and signed.

There are many people including some Learned Judges at the ICJ who think that the only reasons Albanians want independence is because of being terrorists, thieves, and racists.

For these and other reasons, and the Albanians of Kosovo are only entitled to Negotiated Autonomy.

Serbia will give the Kosovo Albanians that Negotiated Autonomy, and the world is only willing to grant the Kosovo Albanians Negotiated Autonomy.

winston

pre 13 godina

More lie in your face political jibberish from Thaci and old school commie Berisha. A_Kosovo and Albania are not factors of stability, but rather major hubs of crime - you name the kind. The Balkans would be a beautiful place if all the Albanians went back to their homeland, Sicily. These KLA jokers are a, well, joke.

Fact

pre 13 godina

FACT DEAL WITH IT!!!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI
(Vasojevici UK, 28 June 2010 15:03)
And it takes just 1 of 22 to block Serbia from the EU, Fact.
Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!

Top

pre 13 godina

Kosovo, some call it the black hole of Europe, is a factor of stability? Funny.

Maybe he was thinking of the situation of the latest state that recognized Kosovo, Somalia? Compared to that, Kosovo is a safe haven, a factor of stability, and a prosperous country with law and order.

Radoslav

pre 13 godina

ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Can you explain exactly how that will happen with the Russian and Chinese veto or is it another one of your fairy tales?

Zoran

pre 13 godina

Actually they are becoming one country.If you drive on the new highway in Albania, you will see KP Officers patroling along the entire highway in Albanian territory.
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 11:16)
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Wow, who would have thought that even Albania would become a province of Serbia? I mean, if it brings peace to the region then it's something to be considered.

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

(Vasojevici UK
22 there are more than 5 serbia in EU+USA=stay home
(dardan illiri, 28 June 2010 13:55)

And it takes just one of those five to block you just like Greece has done with Macedonia and Slovenia with Croatia and I am afraid to tell you this but these five will not budge! FACT DEAL WITH IT!!!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

Paladin, San Francisco

pre 13 godina

Kosovo has shown itself to be a factor of stability in the region,” Berisha said.

As long as no one DARES to arrest their law breakers.

War criminals and big-time narco and human trafficers roam freely under the noses of EU and NATO cowards.

I still remember the words of the Hungarian EU official giving his opinion on Kosovars:

WE ARE AFFRAID OF THEM.

The Serbs will never let the cowardly West pay tribute to narco terrorists with Serbian land.

Vasojevici UK

pre 13 godina

And it takes just 1 of 22 to block Serbia from the EU, Fact.
Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!
(Fact, 28 June 2010 16:16)

Serbs do not want to be in the EU, and the fact is EU needs Serbia more then Serbia needs EU!

The EU is on its back side and USA is same!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

Since you seems to know so much about how the police works in Kosovo and Albania, does this mean that stolen cars in EU can now move freely in BETWEEN Albania and Kosovo and not only in them separately as before?
(Srboslav, 28 June 2010 13:08)

Is not that I know so much, but I was presnet when the MoU was signed right at the Vermica crossing. Also, media was there during the signing ceremony, but don't understand why Serb media in general chose not to report this very imprtant news to its own people!!!

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

If however they actually think definitive statehood and solid support from major state recognitions (I suspect they don't but they do tend to lie a lot), they are only duping their flock.
(Mike, 28 June 2010 16:45)

The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?

miri

pre 13 godina

Serbs do not want to be in the EU, and the fact is EU needs Serbia more then Serbia needs EU!

The EU is on its back side and USA is same!

GOD BLESS SERBIA, SERBS AND VASOJEVICI
(Vasojevici UK, 28 June 2010 17:01)

How come there is no Serb who is against EU and US that doesn't live in EU and US?
How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?

Mike

pre 13 godina

If by "work[ing] to the advantage of Kosovo" is code for "not reattaching Kosovo entirely back to the rest of Serbia" and "new recognitions" is code for more peripheral countries with the same pull as Somalia and Swaziland, then yes, Hash and Sali are correct.

If however they actually think definitive statehood and solid support from major state recognitions (I suspect they don't but they do tend to lie a lot), they are only duping their flock.

Skiff

pre 13 godina

Wow, who would have thought that even Albania would become a province of Serbia? I mean, if it brings peace to the region then it's something to be considered.
(Zoran, 28 June 2010 15:53)

This is not the first time i have read such proposterous remarks, about Albania becoming a Serb provice from you Zoran,

What do you want with my country? more territory? is not moesia superior enough? Not statisfied till you come to sea at further expense of Albanians?

How is the ballkans supposed to move foreward where you STILL have nationalists dreaming for territorial expansion.

sj

pre 13 godina

How come there is no Serb who is against EU and US that doesn't live in EU and US?
How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?
(miri, 28 June 2010 21:21)


I am a Serb and don’t live in the EU or US, but in Asia and I am against the US and EU and watch with delight as they both sink in the pit of Afghanistan. Losing the war is inevitable and you don’t recover from such an event no matter how much propaganda you put in the media


The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 19:27)


Do you actually think that if they recognise this so called Kosovo prosperity will some rub off onto the Albanians? However if you are so widely recognised why don’t these 60% of GDP countries bring industry to this Kosova instead of leaving you people to scratch a living out of dirt? When you Albos provide a real answer to these questions you might stop writing rubbish to satisfy your ego.

Let me repeat it again – if Belgrade does not agree Kosovo is dead in the water no matter how many countries recognise it.


ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Yep and my grandfather is coming back from the dead.

Just because Serbia was unwilling to negotiate with Kosovo when it had the opportunity, does not mean the countries of the EU cannot negotiate a settlement to their different stance on this issue. Probably, either both or neither.
After all, when Serbia was saying "no" to EULEX, there was support from all 27 to the EULEX mission.
While shouting may make you feel like you have a stronger position, it is ineffective in persuading others!
(Fact, 28 June 2010 16:16)

In the scheme of the EU Kosovo is nothing at all compared to Serbia? The EU is willing to negotiate Serbia’s entry well be Kosovo; so according to your logic then Serbia can forever block Kosovo’s entry.

EULEX was allowed in by Tadic and can be removed just as quickly, but ask yourself what has changed for Kosovo in the last 11 going on 12 years of so called freedom?

trn

pre 13 godina

ICJ decision will accelarate the Kosovo membership into the UN.
(PRN, 28 June 2010 11:20)

Yeah, if only the UN = Unfinished Negotiations.

Ilyrian

pre 13 godina

Ataman wrote: "Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners?"
Inconvenient question:who is stronger, Van Dame or Mike Tyson?

metrod

pre 13 godina

More recognitions after ICJ ruling?

But, I thought recognitions would be overturned after the ICJ ruling. This is what I read from some serious, informed and knowledgeable posters on B92.

They predicted that the declaration of independence would not take place, no one would recognize Kosovo as an independent country, and Kosovo would go back to Serbia and would 'enjoy' some kind of autonomy.

I'm holding my breath!

Ataman

pre 13 godina

The countries that have recognized Kosova/o so far make up over 60% of World GDP, and if you think US,Japan,Canada,australia along with most of europen western countries don't count as major recognitions, than I don't know what it counts!?
(Kosova-USA, 28 June 2010 19:27)

Yes, and all combined don't make up the numbers of Nobel price winners of Israeli, Russian, Chinese citizens.

This is an other way to calculate: the majority brain power of the planet is from countries which did not recognize.

You can band GDP any way you like. For instance, most of America's "produce" is internal service which is not even needed.

Example: you have a speeding ticket. In America you call a lawyer and contribute to GDP. In, say, Moldova you negotiate with the cop and pay him 10 Euro. Corruption? Yes, in the fact, both are. But only in America the corruption is part of GDP! This is how American system works. I know it well, nothing to hide, right?

Ataman

pre 13 godina

How come Serbs from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, Lybia, China etc. don't speak up?
(miri, 28 June 2010 21:21)

Russia, Ukraina has quite a few Serbs. Prove to that is the famous restaurant "011" in Moscow. You know precisely what city has "011" area code, don't you?

Moldova: not many foreigners live there, but more than in Somalia.
Lybia: inshallah, how many Albanians live in Saudi Arabia?
China: where are Albanians living in Japan? Hard to learn the language?

Conveniently forgotten: Brazil, with "Brazilski farmer" who posts here once in a while. Conveniently forgotten: Israel, with large Israeli community in Belgrade and quite a few Israelis posting here.

Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners? I just mentioned it above, find out which one it is.

pss

pre 13 godina

Inconvenient question: what country has per-capita the highest number of Nobel Price winners? I just mentioned it above, find out which one it is.
(Ataman, 29 June 2010 02:37)
Not sure of the Nobel Price winners but if you are talking about Nobel Prize winners you can find the answer here
http://www.aneki.com/nobel.html
and your answer is not even close Russia 14, Israel 5, China did not make the list.
US 270, UK 101, Germany 76 etc, etc.
You probably need to find another argument, you went bust on this one.

Aleks

pre 13 godina

How is it that there are quite a number of albanian commenters on b92 who love to peddle irrelevant statistics when it comes to recognitions? Is it so hard to accept the basic fact that each member of the UN has an equal vote no matter on their size or wealth? Sure, there are rich countries who bribe and blackmail other countries to recognize 'Kosova' (democracy and free will at work LOL!), but why this obsession with meaningless statistics???? Is it to make up for some sort of other inadequacy?

As for Serbia joining the EU (and I'm getting sick of repeating this to those so abundantly ignorant of the EU), Enlargment becomes Qualified Majority Voting with the Lisbon Treaty. And don't give us all this guff that countries that recognize 'Kosova' = countries that will vote against Serbia joining the EU. It's like some people think the Internet is only b92.net...