Obama, Medvedev "reset relations"

No, Mircea.

It is not a good idea to isolate Russia at all.

Russia is a great, unlimited source of natural resources. From them alone, Europe has nothing to worry about in terms of gas and oil, while they profit from it by receiving Western money, and in both cases, job opportunities are created.

Militarily, NATO will probably expand into the Balkans, but this is not important. NATO means nothing. Economic growth, job opportunities and natural resources are MUCH more important to the average European or American than some stupid military alliance and childish Cold War games all over again.

Anyway, Russia is a strong, nuclear power and any confrontation in the future would turn Eurasia and North America into nuclear wasteland. Who wants that?

I know what communism did to Eastern and Central Europe, but Russia can't be blamed for this, as they too were forced under Soviet rule and for 70 years they rotted. They too suffered and are still feeling the effects thereof today, not just us.

We all know that the Soviet Union was quite a multicultural (even that word brings me shivers as I see the same plague in the EU) and hardly only Russian.

Anyway, today's problems are recession, islamization of the Western World, mass immigration, unemployment and radical Islamic terrorism (as seen recently in Chechnya, for example).

These are problems which America, Russia and Europe should work together in solving, not against each other. The Cold War is over.

Russia is Europe anyway.

Yes, Toni. You forgot one more thing: there is a secret switch called "ZIMA". Russians just pull it and the Russian winter will all over your town in U.K. and polar bears from Medvedja will be roaming the streets and selling vodka.

Peter is originally from Poland, btw. Just an innocent question: looking at your perfect Alabamian English - aren't you an Illyrian in secret?

"I hope that Russia will be more and more isolated." (Mircea)

-- And I hope for a date with Megan Fox. But seeing as how

a) Obama's eating hamburgers with Medvedev, and

b) Ms. Fox is pretty committed to Brian Austin Green,

it looks like we can only dream.

Peter,

I hope that NATO will expand to include Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro.

I hope that Russia will be more and more isolated.

The EU should support projects like NABUCCO and should say NO to Russian gas.

I hope that the South Stream project will never be built.

The EU should never trust Russia. Russia destroyed the economies of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe during the 50 years of communism.

"Obama told reporters he and Mr. Medvedev have put their countries' relationship on a firmer footing, despite disagreeing about Russia's tensions with Georgia."

Yes, Obama. Turn the other cheek over Georgia if you want continued use of Russian airspace to Afghanistan. How betrayed Tblisi must feel -- if only it had read the history of South Vietnam -- Uncle Sam will drop you like a hot potato when push comes to shove!

Toni UK

I am about as Russian as you are British.

And I advise that you pick up a good history book and read a little about Russia under communism. That fact that crypto-commies run the joint is no different to any other former communist country, except that they have more power.

Blackmailing? If a country cannot pay for the gas that Russia supplies them with, it gets turned off. It's like saying that power companies across the world blackmail you into paying for their electricity.

Yes, I agree with the assassinations part. No surprise, since the prime minister is ex-KGB.

Human rights there might not be as rosy as the West, but compared with Israel, Iran, North Korea, Burma, most African states and even China to some extent, Russia is paradise, hence why together with the USA and Germany, they have the highest number of immigrants.

And about the war with Georgia, yes, Russia was heavy-handed, but it was that Saakashvili who started poundding South Ossetia and not the other way around.

Why do you think this clown is no longer supported by America or Europe? NATO and EU entry chances are no higher than that of Russia's.

And about the CIA, well, their human rights record is no better than that of the KGB and NKVD. Here is a nice reference for you about the crimes the CIA has afforded the world since their inception in the 20's:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html

Happy reading. BTW. America is no better than Russia in terms of human rights, extortion and assassinations.

Ask anyone permanently scarred by American weapons in Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Japan, Afghanistan, even Western Europeans still alive from the US bombings.

Trust me, their opinions will differ none than those who suffered under USSR. Or Enver Hoxha, for that matter.

Alabama Dinousaur,



I never claimed I was english, nor british for that matter.

I am from Sweden and live in (Toni Blairs, hence my chosen name Toni) UK.

You have to "forgive" me for getting involved, but due to latest Balkan wars, and the fate of our late Foreign Minister I became more interested, and wanted to know why all this hate, how come some people can in modern days in the middle of Europe demonise others to a point where they can slaughter each other in cold blood.

As for my english, I am sure you do understand, stop being picky.



Peter,



from your writing you cant blame me fro thinking you are russian, I know many polish people and I am in a relationship with a an amazing and highly educated polish girl, so I know a great deal about the opinion your people holds on many issues, I even read sometime news of interest, and I have to say, your opinion does appear to differ from the majority of the polish people.



You are passionately so anti albanian, and anti Kosovo, when polish people in a poll over 60% supported Kosovos Independence.

Not talking about polish peoples feelings and attitude towards the west and USA vs Russia.



To be frank, I still don't believe you are polish, but surely from Poland, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Haha, you explain things so nicely, Ataman.

Darn, incognitos don't work here?

I totally agree with MIRCEA,

but needles to say, totally disagree with this russian guy, Mr peter Sudoku.

Soviet=Russia, and today's Russia has not fried them selves from the old way of thinking, constantly blackmailing (ever gas distributions) neighbours and Europe, attacking them even military, extremely poor human rights records, assassinations.... and the depressing list goes on.
CIA should interveen, wake up Obama.
Wrong guy won presidential elections in USA, thats for sure.

You are passionately so anti albanian, and anti Kosovo, when polish people in a poll over 60% supported Kosovos Independence.
Toni/UK, 25 June 2010 16:46)

Polls tell nothing about the reality.Maybe 60 percent of Gazeta Wyborcza readers(and other brainwashed by media) are in favour but it has nothing to do with the general population.Perhaps the "Poles " you meet are as polish as G.Soros hungarian or Panenka Korbelova chech.I have never met a polish patriot who would support a state run by narcoterorists and albanians who have always been the biggest bootlickers of the greatest enemies of Poland namely hitlerists,turks and NWO will never be supported by poles who have spine and are not brainwashed by certain media organs.Fortunatelly there are more and more of them.In Poland and many other countries soccer fans are the mouth of sociaty so it is worth having a look how much they support narcoterror state.In this clip you will have agood example how the average pole feels as opposed to those spineless pseudopoles you happen to know.(between 1:55-2:40)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQBD6YDpB64&feature=related

Haha, you explain things so nicely, Ataman.
(Peter Sudyka, 25 June 2010 16:56)

Indeed He is in top form these days and keeps me laughing mainly with those donkey stories.However I also had a good laugh reading the albanized form of your name Mr Soduku.This kind of entertainment keeps me on this forum.

facts such as independent polls carried out, than you are not being serious

Toni/UK, 25 June 2010 20:18)
Well only naive people belive in the so called "independent" polls and according to my experiance most albanians fall into this cathegory.

support albanians and Kosovo or are you suggesting that Ahtisaari, Rohan, G Bush, Blair, African and arab leaders and all government
Toni/UK, 25 June 2010 20:18)
Well those guys do not impress us .They are the most eager servent of NWO which favours narcocrimnals and destruction of sociaty in general.There are people like you who are easily brainwashed by mainstrem media and are pro-narcostate and there are people although a minority for the time being who use their mind and are not too happy when destructive forces create states governed by guys runnig child-prostitution rings and drug-traficking nets.

Excellent! Good relations between Russia and the US are paramount to security of the entire Euro-Atlantic region. Russia, Europe and the US have no reasons for drifting relations.

Toni/UK

You are free to think whatever you like about me, that is your right, but before you decide to talk on behalf of the whole Polish nation, I suggest perhaps you live a few years here, get to know the people, because I fail to see how one can expect a nation of nearly 40 million people to be uniform in thought.

Here you will find everyone on the spectrum, from far left to far right to everything inbetween.

szemi

Haha, me too! I don't know what Vietnamese or Illyrian meat or donkeys or whatever he has been eating lately, but whatever it is, he is providing some good laughs.

About the Sudoku thing, maybe they think it's offending me? I don't know.

Maybe if I put that my name is Piotr and my pseudo Wilko³aczek, they will find something new and creative.

However I also had a good laugh reading the albanized form of your name Mr Soduku.
(szemi, 25 June 2010 17:42)

IE!!! Not albanized, Shogun!!! Me be very-estimated Kacsamoto Sodoku-san. You call me "albanized", your belly get seppuku from my katana.

Quack, quack.

Peter and Szemi and company,


whoever you are, your arguments and the language used in here are far below my level, so I have no intentions to continue this.



I understand you are implying I am Ataman whoever that is it is not me, nor do I have a clue who that might be, B92 is free to check this, although I hope B92 has got better things to do.



I explained once my background, and have no need to repeat that, it is up to you to believe what you want.



I did say what my experience is with polish people, and what facts I have come across, if your dismiss that and expect others to accept that your convictions are above facts such as independent polls carried out, than you are not being serious.



And by the way, polls in other countries regarding support of Kosovos Independence were about the same or higher, which was reflected on most of European countries recognising Kosovos Independence.



There is an understanding why some recognitions are delayed, but that has little to do with supporting one side or the other but more recognitions will come, now I know you will say no, but so you did regarding some other recognitions in the past.



Keeping all the above in mind, I am surprised how you dismiss any other non-albanian supporting Kosovo on this site to be a pretending albanian?!!

You cant be serious guys or maybe just like to be provocative. Surely you know by now that there are more than just albanians that support albanians and Kosovo or are you suggesting that Ahtisaari, Rohan, G Bush, Blair, African and arab leaders and all government representatives which argued the way I am doing including your and my own government are ALL albanians pretending not to be somebody else?



I am grateful for B92 to give us this opportunity to exchange opinions, but this site deserves a slightly higher level of seriousness. To much emotion and not a lot of substance on your comments.



Maybe it is a bit easier for me as I am neutral, but so should it be for you if you really are from othwr countries other the direct involved ones.

OK, I think we all need to calm down a minute.

Regardless of who is brainwashed, Russian, Polish, !Kung, or whatever, no one can claim a monopoly on identity being coterminous with some sort of socio-political preference.

I'm sure there are Poles that support the US' initiative in Kosovo and I'm sure there's lots that don't. Just like there are Americans who support Pristina and others that support Belgrade. Just because a Pole thinks one way doesn't make him NWO or Russian. And for every world leader that supports Kosovo, other world leaders do not.


Now obviously the article here shows Moscow and Washington seeing each other on equal footing. Washington has, according to the article, all but thrown Georgia under the bus in "agreeing to disagree" over Abkhazia and S. Ossetia in similar fashion as it "agrees to disagree" with Belgrade over Kosovo. While this screws over those countries/regions in between, it shows that one side need not blindly follow some expected role.

Now let's all relax with a nice bottle of Russian vodka that originated in Prussian-held Poland. It's the weekend and there are more important things to focus on.

"About the Sudoku thing, maybe they think it's offending me? I don't know." (Peter Sudyka)

-- I think you should sue the gaming company for ripping off your name and demand 10 years of back payments in royalties.

http://www.websudoku.com/

Toni/UK

If indeed our language is so far below your level, as you claim, then please explain this strange notion that for some reason we assumed that you are Ataman?

If indeed our language is so far below your level, as you claim, then please explain this strange notion that for some reason we assumed that you are Ataman?
(Peter Sudyka, 26 June 2010 23:58)
A little problem with comprehension I guess .The guy seems to be a bit confused that is all.It happens sometimes to everyone.He simply did not realize that Ataman turned into Alabama Tiranasaurus,and belived we address him as Ataman(notice he himself addressed Ataman as Dinosaurus.)Well quite sadly the guy does not seem to know that Ataman has a unique sense of humour which cannot be mistaken for anything else.

Peter,

I hope that NATO will expand to include Bosnia, Macedonia and Montenegro.

I hope that Russia will be more and more isolated.

The EU should support projects like NABUCCO and should say NO to Russian gas.

I hope that the South Stream project will never be built.

The EU should never trust Russia. Russia destroyed the economies of the countries of Central and Eastern Europe during the 50 years of communism.

I totally agree with MIRCEA,

but needles to say, totally disagree with this russian guy, Mr peter Sudoku.

Soviet=Russia, and today's Russia has not fried them selves from the old way of thinking, constantly blackmailing (ever gas distributions) neighbours and Europe, attacking them even military, extremely poor human rights records, assassinations.... and the depressing list goes on.
CIA should interveen, wake up Obama.
Wrong guy won presidential elections in USA, thats for sure.

Alabama Dinousaur,



I never claimed I was english, nor british for that matter.

I am from Sweden and live in (Toni Blairs, hence my chosen name Toni) UK.

You have to "forgive" me for getting involved, but due to latest Balkan wars, and the fate of our late Foreign Minister I became more interested, and wanted to know why all this hate, how come some people can in modern days in the middle of Europe demonise others to a point where they can slaughter each other in cold blood.

As for my english, I am sure you do understand, stop being picky.



Peter,



from your writing you cant blame me fro thinking you are russian, I know many polish people and I am in a relationship with a an amazing and highly educated polish girl, so I know a great deal about the opinion your people holds on many issues, I even read sometime news of interest, and I have to say, your opinion does appear to differ from the majority of the polish people.



You are passionately so anti albanian, and anti Kosovo, when polish people in a poll over 60% supported Kosovos Independence.

Not talking about polish peoples feelings and attitude towards the west and USA vs Russia.



To be frank, I still don't believe you are polish, but surely from Poland, but it doesn't matter anyway.

Peter and Szemi and company,


whoever you are, your arguments and the language used in here are far below my level, so I have no intentions to continue this.



I understand you are implying I am Ataman whoever that is it is not me, nor do I have a clue who that might be, B92 is free to check this, although I hope B92 has got better things to do.



I explained once my background, and have no need to repeat that, it is up to you to believe what you want.



I did say what my experience is with polish people, and what facts I have come across, if your dismiss that and expect others to accept that your convictions are above facts such as independent polls carried out, than you are not being serious.



And by the way, polls in other countries regarding support of Kosovos Independence were about the same or higher, which was reflected on most of European countries recognising Kosovos Independence.



There is an understanding why some recognitions are delayed, but that has little to do with supporting one side or the other but more recognitions will come, now I know you will say no, but so you did regarding some other recognitions in the past.



Keeping all the above in mind, I am surprised how you dismiss any other non-albanian supporting Kosovo on this site to be a pretending albanian?!!

You cant be serious guys or maybe just like to be provocative. Surely you know by now that there are more than just albanians that support albanians and Kosovo or are you suggesting that Ahtisaari, Rohan, G Bush, Blair, African and arab leaders and all government representatives which argued the way I am doing including your and my own government are ALL albanians pretending not to be somebody else?



I am grateful for B92 to give us this opportunity to exchange opinions, but this site deserves a slightly higher level of seriousness. To much emotion and not a lot of substance on your comments.



Maybe it is a bit easier for me as I am neutral, but so should it be for you if you really are from othwr countries other the direct involved ones.

Yes, Toni. You forgot one more thing: there is a secret switch called "ZIMA". Russians just pull it and the Russian winter will all over your town in U.K. and polar bears from Medvedja will be roaming the streets and selling vodka.

Peter is originally from Poland, btw. Just an innocent question: looking at your perfect Alabamian English - aren't you an Illyrian in secret?

Toni UK

I am about as Russian as you are British.

And I advise that you pick up a good history book and read a little about Russia under communism. That fact that crypto-commies run the joint is no different to any other former communist country, except that they have more power.

Blackmailing? If a country cannot pay for the gas that Russia supplies them with, it gets turned off. It's like saying that power companies across the world blackmail you into paying for their electricity.

Yes, I agree with the assassinations part. No surprise, since the prime minister is ex-KGB.

Human rights there might not be as rosy as the West, but compared with Israel, Iran, North Korea, Burma, most African states and even China to some extent, Russia is paradise, hence why together with the USA and Germany, they have the highest number of immigrants.

And about the war with Georgia, yes, Russia was heavy-handed, but it was that Saakashvili who started poundding South Ossetia and not the other way around.

Why do you think this clown is no longer supported by America or Europe? NATO and EU entry chances are no higher than that of Russia's.

And about the CIA, well, their human rights record is no better than that of the KGB and NKVD. Here is a nice reference for you about the crimes the CIA has afforded the world since their inception in the 20's:

http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html

Happy reading. BTW. America is no better than Russia in terms of human rights, extortion and assassinations.

Ask anyone permanently scarred by American weapons in Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Japan, Afghanistan, even Western Europeans still alive from the US bombings.

Trust me, their opinions will differ none than those who suffered under USSR. Or Enver Hoxha, for that matter.

No, Mircea.

It is not a good idea to isolate Russia at all.

Russia is a great, unlimited source of natural resources. From them alone, Europe has nothing to worry about in terms of gas and oil, while they profit from it by receiving Western money, and in both cases, job opportunities are created.

Militarily, NATO will probably expand into the Balkans, but this is not important. NATO means nothing. Economic growth, job opportunities and natural resources are MUCH more important to the average European or American than some stupid military alliance and childish Cold War games all over again.

Anyway, Russia is a strong, nuclear power and any confrontation in the future would turn Eurasia and North America into nuclear wasteland. Who wants that?

I know what communism did to Eastern and Central Europe, but Russia can't be blamed for this, as they too were forced under Soviet rule and for 70 years they rotted. They too suffered and are still feeling the effects thereof today, not just us.

We all know that the Soviet Union was quite a multicultural (even that word brings me shivers as I see the same plague in the EU) and hardly only Russian.

Anyway, today's problems are recession, islamization of the Western World, mass immigration, unemployment and radical Islamic terrorism (as seen recently in Chechnya, for example).

These are problems which America, Russia and Europe should work together in solving, not against each other. The Cold War is over.

Russia is Europe anyway.

You are passionately so anti albanian, and anti Kosovo, when polish people in a poll over 60% supported Kosovos Independence.
Toni/UK, 25 June 2010 16:46)

Polls tell nothing about the reality.Maybe 60 percent of Gazeta Wyborcza readers(and other brainwashed by media) are in favour but it has nothing to do with the general population.Perhaps the "Poles " you meet are as polish as G.Soros hungarian or Panenka Korbelova chech.I have never met a polish patriot who would support a state run by narcoterorists and albanians who have always been the biggest bootlickers of the greatest enemies of Poland namely hitlerists,turks and NWO will never be supported by poles who have spine and are not brainwashed by certain media organs.Fortunatelly there are more and more of them.In Poland and many other countries soccer fans are the mouth of sociaty so it is worth having a look how much they support narcoterror state.In this clip you will have agood example how the average pole feels as opposed to those spineless pseudopoles you happen to know.(between 1:55-2:40)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQBD6YDpB64&feature=related

Haha, you explain things so nicely, Ataman.
(Peter Sudyka, 25 June 2010 16:56)

Indeed He is in top form these days and keeps me laughing mainly with those donkey stories.However I also had a good laugh reading the albanized form of your name Mr Soduku.This kind of entertainment keeps me on this forum.

facts such as independent polls carried out, than you are not being serious

Toni/UK, 25 June 2010 20:18)
Well only naive people belive in the so called "independent" polls and according to my experiance most albanians fall into this cathegory.

support albanians and Kosovo or are you suggesting that Ahtisaari, Rohan, G Bush, Blair, African and arab leaders and all government
Toni/UK, 25 June 2010 20:18)
Well those guys do not impress us .They are the most eager servent of NWO which favours narcocrimnals and destruction of sociaty in general.There are people like you who are easily brainwashed by mainstrem media and are pro-narcostate and there are people although a minority for the time being who use their mind and are not too happy when destructive forces create states governed by guys runnig child-prostitution rings and drug-traficking nets.

Excellent! Good relations between Russia and the US are paramount to security of the entire Euro-Atlantic region. Russia, Europe and the US have no reasons for drifting relations.

"I hope that Russia will be more and more isolated." (Mircea)

-- And I hope for a date with Megan Fox. But seeing as how

a) Obama's eating hamburgers with Medvedev, and

b) Ms. Fox is pretty committed to Brian Austin Green,

it looks like we can only dream.

However I also had a good laugh reading the albanized form of your name Mr Soduku.
(szemi, 25 June 2010 17:42)

IE!!! Not albanized, Shogun!!! Me be very-estimated Kacsamoto Sodoku-san. You call me "albanized", your belly get seppuku from my katana.

Quack, quack.

"Obama told reporters he and Mr. Medvedev have put their countries' relationship on a firmer footing, despite disagreeing about Russia's tensions with Georgia."

Yes, Obama. Turn the other cheek over Georgia if you want continued use of Russian airspace to Afghanistan. How betrayed Tblisi must feel -- if only it had read the history of South Vietnam -- Uncle Sam will drop you like a hot potato when push comes to shove!

Haha, you explain things so nicely, Ataman.

Darn, incognitos don't work here?

Toni/UK

You are free to think whatever you like about me, that is your right, but before you decide to talk on behalf of the whole Polish nation, I suggest perhaps you live a few years here, get to know the people, because I fail to see how one can expect a nation of nearly 40 million people to be uniform in thought.

Here you will find everyone on the spectrum, from far left to far right to everything inbetween.

szemi

Haha, me too! I don't know what Vietnamese or Illyrian meat or donkeys or whatever he has been eating lately, but whatever it is, he is providing some good laughs.

About the Sudoku thing, maybe they think it's offending me? I don't know.

Maybe if I put that my name is Piotr and my pseudo Wilko³aczek, they will find something new and creative.

OK, I think we all need to calm down a minute.

Regardless of who is brainwashed, Russian, Polish, !Kung, or whatever, no one can claim a monopoly on identity being coterminous with some sort of socio-political preference.

I'm sure there are Poles that support the US' initiative in Kosovo and I'm sure there's lots that don't. Just like there are Americans who support Pristina and others that support Belgrade. Just because a Pole thinks one way doesn't make him NWO or Russian. And for every world leader that supports Kosovo, other world leaders do not.


Now obviously the article here shows Moscow and Washington seeing each other on equal footing. Washington has, according to the article, all but thrown Georgia under the bus in "agreeing to disagree" over Abkhazia and S. Ossetia in similar fashion as it "agrees to disagree" with Belgrade over Kosovo. While this screws over those countries/regions in between, it shows that one side need not blindly follow some expected role.

Now let's all relax with a nice bottle of Russian vodka that originated in Prussian-held Poland. It's the weekend and there are more important things to focus on.

Toni/UK

If indeed our language is so far below your level, as you claim, then please explain this strange notion that for some reason we assumed that you are Ataman?

"About the Sudoku thing, maybe they think it's offending me? I don't know." (Peter Sudyka)

-- I think you should sue the gaming company for ripping off your name and demand 10 years of back payments in royalties.

http://www.websudoku.com/

If indeed our language is so far below your level, as you claim, then please explain this strange notion that for some reason we assumed that you are Ataman?
(Peter Sudyka, 26 June 2010 23:58)
A little problem with comprehension I guess .The guy seems to be a bit confused that is all.It happens sometimes to everyone.He simply did not realize that Ataman turned into Alabama Tiranasaurus,and belived we address him as Ataman(notice he himself addressed Ataman as Dinosaurus.)Well quite sadly the guy does not seem to know that Ataman has a unique sense of humour which cannot be mistaken for anything else.