Why should there be? This is not a coalition based on principles, but on the desire to hold the power and share the profits of corrupted enterprises. So who cares what they think about NATO?
Not sure which article you are reading, but the quotation from the DS in this article states that their position is the partnership for peace is sufficient for Serbia and that NATO is not on their agenda.
In effect the DS maintains Serbia's 4 pillar status with a focus on equal weighting relationships between China, Russia, US and Europe.
That sounds smart to me - not putting your eggs in one basket and expecting the country to be saved by joining the EU or joining the "feast in the east".
I think you will find Nikolic will have very similar policies should he be elected.
A 4 pillar policy is smart for a country like Serbia.
It is the key country in the balkans, full of wonderful people.
You like most Americans and Israelis are brainwashed by the fabrication that "terrorists" are out to get us all. I'll tell thee now; the US knows nothing about terrorism. The UK has been at then hands of terrorism for years from the IRA, we're used to it by now, as has Spain by ETA. However us Europeans don't expect the world to stop what we're doing whenever we have a terrorist incident unlike the US does; we deal with it.
Also I have asked thee before and I'll ask thee again, who is it that Europe is at risk from? Who is out to get us Europeans that we so "desperately" need to prostitute ourselves out to the Americans for protection?
You do realise that the UK and France both have bigger military budgets than Russia (we have 2nd and 3rd biggest in the world), our soldiers are better trained and we have much better technology than them. However this means nothing. The Russians would never ever want a war with Europe. If anything at all, if anyone were to invade Europe, the Russians would help and defend us and vice versa. The Russians are our trade partners and rivals, but not our "enemy" as the US and US media seems to think. Europe and Russia may not be the best of friends but we don't hate each other, not at all.
We all know in Europe that the US misses the days of "communism" because they no longer have anyone to hate, that is why they had to create this fabricated "war on terror", which sounds like the title of a Hollywood "movie". Now the US hates "terrorists", unlike in the 50s-80s when the US hated "communists".
Europe does not need protecting or defending. If anything, Europe needs defending from the US!
Also when you said "a third time", I guess that you were referring to the world wars. Well I can tell that thee has only read and learned from American historians aka "Hollywood". Try historians from Russia, Germany, UK, France, Serbia and even neutral countries in WW2 like Sweden and Switzerland. They teach a much more better standard of history compared to American history which is very biased and a joke, it is more biased than Soviet history; however I am not here to write an essay. If I wanted as a historian I could write a very long, highly educated and highly referenced essay as to why US involvement was not needed in WW2 and that the US made WW2 harder for the allies to win. Three quick examples, US banks funded Nazi Germany right through to 1945, the US benefited the most from WW2 by giving unfair loans to European countries and that is what the US's economy still stands on today and 9/10 Germany soldiers died on the East front; for some reason US history forgets to tell people this. I wonder why this is? Is it because of the American dream?
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
(Kosova-USA, 19 June 2010 18:00)
The only way for Kosovo to move forward is for the ICJ to rule clearly in its favour and then have Belgrade agree to that ruling. No amount of ICJ ruling in favour of the independence of Kosovo will change the situation without Serbia changing its stand – Kosovo can be recognised by the entire UN, have a seat in the UN, but if Belgrade contests the territory the Albanians in Kosovo are “dead in the water” – no investment no nothing situation is status quo.
Draskovic is a politician who has adopted Cedomir Jovanovic’s policies – they know they can’t win office so both want to be everything to everyone – men for all seasons - so they come out with multi purpose polices that try to please the disaffected minorities. It’s called scraping the bottom of the barrel for votes.
Completely false. The pro-NATO sentiment in Hungary is non-existent and pro-EU sentiment is fading away, neither did bring anything positive. NATO was the worst: SAAB fighter airplane scandal, big money spent on nothing, fat cats got fat money under the table.
(Ataman, 19 June 2010 23:45)
Absolutely correct. A work colleague recently returned from visiting family in Hungary and he said that the people are very disillusioned about the EU and the west as a whole. All they see is corruption on a massive scale while the standard of living is not improving while the local media talking about the great benefits of being part of the EU. Some even compare it to the Soviet Union days of propaganda.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests.
Ian
You greatly overestimate Europe's defense capabilities. In the future Europe will spend even less on the military, will have a hard time to agree on anything, will not be able to defend itself. The US will do without Europe if needed and will not defend it a third time for sure.
The US should fight their own wars instead of dragging Europeans in to fight wars for them.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests. The US should have no say in Europe's defence.
(Ian, UK, 20 June 2010 02:16)
I for one am amazed at some ex-CIA operatives speaking out after they leave.
http://security.nationaljournal.com/2010/03/can-america-count-on-europe-an.php#1519392
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
(Kosova-USA, 19 June 2010 18:00)
No, No, No you get it wrong again.
All he did was swap the bottle for the straw and now like Cedomir it's doing funny things to his head.
Serbian youth as Nancy said,
JUST SAY NO.
NATO is just the US's way of controlling the armed forces of Europe (and Canada). Why would Serbs and any other Europeans want to go fight and die for the US's political interests?
The US should fight their own wars instead of dragging Europeans in to fight wars for them.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests. The US should have no say in Europe's defence.
30% of voters, primarily Magyars that tip the scales in favor of EU-NATO bc their mother-country is a member of both, however: pro-NATO sentiment is almost exclusively non-Serb even though their parties aren't vocal about it.
(highduke, 19 June 2010 14:50)
Completely false. The pro-NATO sentiment in Hungary is non-existent and pro-EU sentiment is fading away, neither did bring anything positive. NATO was the worst: SAAB fighter airplane scandal, big money spent on nothing, fat cats got fat money under the table.
If non-serbs make up 30% and of those, Hungarians (less than 15%) are the bulk of the supporters, you still have to have a lot of the 70% of the remainder which are Serbs.
Serbian Renewal Movement (SPO) leader Vuk Drašković said that he does not believe that there will be new talks on Kosovo’s status after the opinion of the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo’s unilaterally proclaimed independence is given, even though the leading parties and officials of the ruling coalition are hoping for that.
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
It would surprise me a lot if not a majority of these self-bashing flaggelants in George Soros Disneyland (i.e Serbia) , was FOR joining NATO.
First they fought the aggression pact bravely and after 10 years of "enlightment" by western controlled corporate media & a Georgia kind of puppet regime, they finally learned that it was all about love, NATO had to bomb, kill and erase domestic infrastructure in order to make them better humans, €Uropeans. If & when NATO says "jump", Serbians will collectively cause a 9 point on the Richter scale...
Any serb wishing to join NATO is a coward,what is the matter with these people?
(wirehaired)
-
No Serb wants to join Nato, I think you know this. Only the puppets in office that were installed by the West want this to happen.
The people are becoming very impatient and big change is to be made in the Balkans very soon.
Serbia is NOT homogenous. Most Orthodox Serbs don't want to join EU or NATO, it's the non-Serb minorities - 30% of voters, primarily Magyars that tip the scales in favor of EU-NATO bc their mother-country is a member of both, however: pro-NATO sentiment is almost exclusively non-Serb even though their parties aren't vocal about it.
It would surprise me a lot if not a majority of these self-bashing flaggelants in George Soros Disneyland (i.e Serbia) , was FOR joining NATO.
First they fought the aggression pact bravely and after 10 years of "enlightment" by western controlled corporate media & a Georgia kind of puppet regime, they finally learned that it was all about love, NATO had to bomb, kill and erase domestic infrastructure in order to make them better humans, €Uropeans. If & when NATO says "jump", Serbians will collectively cause a 9 point on the Richter scale...
Any serb wishing to join NATO is a coward,what is the matter with these people?
(wirehaired)
-
No Serb wants to join Nato, I think you know this. Only the puppets in office that were installed by the West want this to happen.
The people are becoming very impatient and big change is to be made in the Balkans very soon.
Serbia is NOT homogenous. Most Orthodox Serbs don't want to join EU or NATO, it's the non-Serb minorities - 30% of voters, primarily Magyars that tip the scales in favor of EU-NATO bc their mother-country is a member of both, however: pro-NATO sentiment is almost exclusively non-Serb even though their parties aren't vocal about it.
Serbian Renewal Movement (SPO) leader Vuk Drašković said that he does not believe that there will be new talks on Kosovo’s status after the opinion of the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo’s unilaterally proclaimed independence is given, even though the leading parties and officials of the ruling coalition are hoping for that.
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
If non-serbs make up 30% and of those, Hungarians (less than 15%) are the bulk of the supporters, you still have to have a lot of the 70% of the remainder which are Serbs.
NATO is just the US's way of controlling the armed forces of Europe (and Canada). Why would Serbs and any other Europeans want to go fight and die for the US's political interests?
The US should fight their own wars instead of dragging Europeans in to fight wars for them.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests. The US should have no say in Europe's defence.
You like most Americans and Israelis are brainwashed by the fabrication that "terrorists" are out to get us all. I'll tell thee now; the US knows nothing about terrorism. The UK has been at then hands of terrorism for years from the IRA, we're used to it by now, as has Spain by ETA. However us Europeans don't expect the world to stop what we're doing whenever we have a terrorist incident unlike the US does; we deal with it.
Also I have asked thee before and I'll ask thee again, who is it that Europe is at risk from? Who is out to get us Europeans that we so "desperately" need to prostitute ourselves out to the Americans for protection?
You do realise that the UK and France both have bigger military budgets than Russia (we have 2nd and 3rd biggest in the world), our soldiers are better trained and we have much better technology than them. However this means nothing. The Russians would never ever want a war with Europe. If anything at all, if anyone were to invade Europe, the Russians would help and defend us and vice versa. The Russians are our trade partners and rivals, but not our "enemy" as the US and US media seems to think. Europe and Russia may not be the best of friends but we don't hate each other, not at all.
We all know in Europe that the US misses the days of "communism" because they no longer have anyone to hate, that is why they had to create this fabricated "war on terror", which sounds like the title of a Hollywood "movie". Now the US hates "terrorists", unlike in the 50s-80s when the US hated "communists".
Europe does not need protecting or defending. If anything, Europe needs defending from the US!
Also when you said "a third time", I guess that you were referring to the world wars. Well I can tell that thee has only read and learned from American historians aka "Hollywood". Try historians from Russia, Germany, UK, France, Serbia and even neutral countries in WW2 like Sweden and Switzerland. They teach a much more better standard of history compared to American history which is very biased and a joke, it is more biased than Soviet history; however I am not here to write an essay. If I wanted as a historian I could write a very long, highly educated and highly referenced essay as to why US involvement was not needed in WW2 and that the US made WW2 harder for the allies to win. Three quick examples, US banks funded Nazi Germany right through to 1945, the US benefited the most from WW2 by giving unfair loans to European countries and that is what the US's economy still stands on today and 9/10 Germany soldiers died on the East front; for some reason US history forgets to tell people this. I wonder why this is? Is it because of the American dream?
30% of voters, primarily Magyars that tip the scales in favor of EU-NATO bc their mother-country is a member of both, however: pro-NATO sentiment is almost exclusively non-Serb even though their parties aren't vocal about it.
(highduke, 19 June 2010 14:50)
Completely false. The pro-NATO sentiment in Hungary is non-existent and pro-EU sentiment is fading away, neither did bring anything positive. NATO was the worst: SAAB fighter airplane scandal, big money spent on nothing, fat cats got fat money under the table.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests.
Ian
You greatly overestimate Europe's defense capabilities. In the future Europe will spend even less on the military, will have a hard time to agree on anything, will not be able to defend itself. The US will do without Europe if needed and will not defend it a third time for sure.
Not sure which article you are reading, but the quotation from the DS in this article states that their position is the partnership for peace is sufficient for Serbia and that NATO is not on their agenda.
In effect the DS maintains Serbia's 4 pillar status with a focus on equal weighting relationships between China, Russia, US and Europe.
That sounds smart to me - not putting your eggs in one basket and expecting the country to be saved by joining the EU or joining the "feast in the east".
I think you will find Nikolic will have very similar policies should he be elected.
A 4 pillar policy is smart for a country like Serbia.
It is the key country in the balkans, full of wonderful people.
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
(Kosova-USA, 19 June 2010 18:00)
No, No, No you get it wrong again.
All he did was swap the bottle for the straw and now like Cedomir it's doing funny things to his head.
Serbian youth as Nancy said,
JUST SAY NO.
The US should fight their own wars instead of dragging Europeans in to fight wars for them.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests. The US should have no say in Europe's defence.
(Ian, UK, 20 June 2010 02:16)
I for one am amazed at some ex-CIA operatives speaking out after they leave.
http://security.nationaljournal.com/2010/03/can-america-count-on-europe-an.php#1519392
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
(Kosova-USA, 19 June 2010 18:00)
The only way for Kosovo to move forward is for the ICJ to rule clearly in its favour and then have Belgrade agree to that ruling. No amount of ICJ ruling in favour of the independence of Kosovo will change the situation without Serbia changing its stand – Kosovo can be recognised by the entire UN, have a seat in the UN, but if Belgrade contests the territory the Albanians in Kosovo are “dead in the water” – no investment no nothing situation is status quo.
Draskovic is a politician who has adopted Cedomir Jovanovic’s policies – they know they can’t win office so both want to be everything to everyone – men for all seasons - so they come out with multi purpose polices that try to please the disaffected minorities. It’s called scraping the bottom of the barrel for votes.
Completely false. The pro-NATO sentiment in Hungary is non-existent and pro-EU sentiment is fading away, neither did bring anything positive. NATO was the worst: SAAB fighter airplane scandal, big money spent on nothing, fat cats got fat money under the table.
(Ataman, 19 June 2010 23:45)
Absolutely correct. A work colleague recently returned from visiting family in Hungary and he said that the people are very disillusioned about the EU and the west as a whole. All they see is corruption on a massive scale while the standard of living is not improving while the local media talking about the great benefits of being part of the EU. Some even compare it to the Soviet Union days of propaganda.
Why should there be? This is not a coalition based on principles, but on the desire to hold the power and share the profits of corrupted enterprises. So who cares what they think about NATO?
Serbian Renewal Movement (SPO) leader Vuk Drašković said that he does not believe that there will be new talks on Kosovo’s status after the opinion of the International Court of Justice on the legality of Kosovo’s unilaterally proclaimed independence is given, even though the leading parties and officials of the ruling coalition are hoping for that.
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
It would surprise me a lot if not a majority of these self-bashing flaggelants in George Soros Disneyland (i.e Serbia) , was FOR joining NATO.
First they fought the aggression pact bravely and after 10 years of "enlightment" by western controlled corporate media & a Georgia kind of puppet regime, they finally learned that it was all about love, NATO had to bomb, kill and erase domestic infrastructure in order to make them better humans, €Uropeans. If & when NATO says "jump", Serbians will collectively cause a 9 point on the Richter scale...
Any serb wishing to join NATO is a coward,what is the matter with these people?
(wirehaired)
-
No Serb wants to join Nato, I think you know this. Only the puppets in office that were installed by the West want this to happen.
The people are becoming very impatient and big change is to be made in the Balkans very soon.
Serbia is NOT homogenous. Most Orthodox Serbs don't want to join EU or NATO, it's the non-Serb minorities - 30% of voters, primarily Magyars that tip the scales in favor of EU-NATO bc their mother-country is a member of both, however: pro-NATO sentiment is almost exclusively non-Serb even though their parties aren't vocal about it.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests.
Ian
You greatly overestimate Europe's defense capabilities. In the future Europe will spend even less on the military, will have a hard time to agree on anything, will not be able to defend itself. The US will do without Europe if needed and will not defend it a third time for sure.
If non-serbs make up 30% and of those, Hungarians (less than 15%) are the bulk of the supporters, you still have to have a lot of the 70% of the remainder which are Serbs.
The US should fight their own wars instead of dragging Europeans in to fight wars for them.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests. The US should have no say in Europe's defence.
(Ian, UK, 20 June 2010 02:16)
I for one am amazed at some ex-CIA operatives speaking out after they leave.
http://security.nationaljournal.com/2010/03/can-america-count-on-europe-an.php#1519392
30% of voters, primarily Magyars that tip the scales in favor of EU-NATO bc their mother-country is a member of both, however: pro-NATO sentiment is almost exclusively non-Serb even though their parties aren't vocal about it.
(highduke, 19 June 2010 14:50)
Completely false. The pro-NATO sentiment in Hungary is non-existent and pro-EU sentiment is fading away, neither did bring anything positive. NATO was the worst: SAAB fighter airplane scandal, big money spent on nothing, fat cats got fat money under the table.
Why should there be? This is not a coalition based on principles, but on the desire to hold the power and share the profits of corrupted enterprises. So who cares what they think about NATO?
NATO is just the US's way of controlling the armed forces of Europe (and Canada). Why would Serbs and any other Europeans want to go fight and die for the US's political interests?
The US should fight their own wars instead of dragging Europeans in to fight wars for them.
I would support a defence organisation for Europe which doesn't involve the US. It should be to defend Europe for European interests; not American interests. The US should have no say in Europe's defence.
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
(Kosova-USA, 19 June 2010 18:00)
No, No, No you get it wrong again.
All he did was swap the bottle for the straw and now like Cedomir it's doing funny things to his head.
Serbian youth as Nancy said,
JUST SAY NO.
Actually he said more than what is being reported here. draskovic said that ; no matter what,and regardles of any talks , the reality is as is and it will not change anything as far as Kosova/o Independence. Therefore , he is ready to face the reality and all KUDOS to the person that is willing to eccept the facts.
(Kosova-USA, 19 June 2010 18:00)
The only way for Kosovo to move forward is for the ICJ to rule clearly in its favour and then have Belgrade agree to that ruling. No amount of ICJ ruling in favour of the independence of Kosovo will change the situation without Serbia changing its stand – Kosovo can be recognised by the entire UN, have a seat in the UN, but if Belgrade contests the territory the Albanians in Kosovo are “dead in the water” – no investment no nothing situation is status quo.
Draskovic is a politician who has adopted Cedomir Jovanovic’s policies – they know they can’t win office so both want to be everything to everyone – men for all seasons - so they come out with multi purpose polices that try to please the disaffected minorities. It’s called scraping the bottom of the barrel for votes.
Completely false. The pro-NATO sentiment in Hungary is non-existent and pro-EU sentiment is fading away, neither did bring anything positive. NATO was the worst: SAAB fighter airplane scandal, big money spent on nothing, fat cats got fat money under the table.
(Ataman, 19 June 2010 23:45)
Absolutely correct. A work colleague recently returned from visiting family in Hungary and he said that the people are very disillusioned about the EU and the west as a whole. All they see is corruption on a massive scale while the standard of living is not improving while the local media talking about the great benefits of being part of the EU. Some even compare it to the Soviet Union days of propaganda.
You like most Americans and Israelis are brainwashed by the fabrication that "terrorists" are out to get us all. I'll tell thee now; the US knows nothing about terrorism. The UK has been at then hands of terrorism for years from the IRA, we're used to it by now, as has Spain by ETA. However us Europeans don't expect the world to stop what we're doing whenever we have a terrorist incident unlike the US does; we deal with it.
Also I have asked thee before and I'll ask thee again, who is it that Europe is at risk from? Who is out to get us Europeans that we so "desperately" need to prostitute ourselves out to the Americans for protection?
You do realise that the UK and France both have bigger military budgets than Russia (we have 2nd and 3rd biggest in the world), our soldiers are better trained and we have much better technology than them. However this means nothing. The Russians would never ever want a war with Europe. If anything at all, if anyone were to invade Europe, the Russians would help and defend us and vice versa. The Russians are our trade partners and rivals, but not our "enemy" as the US and US media seems to think. Europe and Russia may not be the best of friends but we don't hate each other, not at all.
We all know in Europe that the US misses the days of "communism" because they no longer have anyone to hate, that is why they had to create this fabricated "war on terror", which sounds like the title of a Hollywood "movie". Now the US hates "terrorists", unlike in the 50s-80s when the US hated "communists".
Europe does not need protecting or defending. If anything, Europe needs defending from the US!
Also when you said "a third time", I guess that you were referring to the world wars. Well I can tell that thee has only read and learned from American historians aka "Hollywood". Try historians from Russia, Germany, UK, France, Serbia and even neutral countries in WW2 like Sweden and Switzerland. They teach a much more better standard of history compared to American history which is very biased and a joke, it is more biased than Soviet history; however I am not here to write an essay. If I wanted as a historian I could write a very long, highly educated and highly referenced essay as to why US involvement was not needed in WW2 and that the US made WW2 harder for the allies to win. Three quick examples, US banks funded Nazi Germany right through to 1945, the US benefited the most from WW2 by giving unfair loans to European countries and that is what the US's economy still stands on today and 9/10 Germany soldiers died on the East front; for some reason US history forgets to tell people this. I wonder why this is? Is it because of the American dream?
Not sure which article you are reading, but the quotation from the DS in this article states that their position is the partnership for peace is sufficient for Serbia and that NATO is not on their agenda.
In effect the DS maintains Serbia's 4 pillar status with a focus on equal weighting relationships between China, Russia, US and Europe.
That sounds smart to me - not putting your eggs in one basket and expecting the country to be saved by joining the EU or joining the "feast in the east".
I think you will find Nikolic will have very similar policies should he be elected.
A 4 pillar policy is smart for a country like Serbia.
It is the key country in the balkans, full of wonderful people.
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