Romania may replace Bulgaria in S. Stream

I am just curious what the bankrupt US offered Bulgaria? More debt? They are a falling superpower who just can not offer anyone anything any more, since their debt is getting out of control.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Bulgaria are behaving like cheap prostitutes, and will go with the highest bidder. Once they realize the US can not offer them anything, they will be begging Russia to build a pipeline through their country. Russia is the future, with enormous amounts of natural resources that the world needs. The US, Germany, UK...they simply don't have those resources anywhere, or else they would have found them already.
Serbia needs to stay out of NATO, stay out of the EU, and stay close to our real friends who are really defending our national interests - Russia. They don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk.

The change in Gazprom's policy came after Bulgaria's Prime Minister Boiko Borisov announced that the country would not move ahead with the Russian-Bulgarian energy projects - Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline.

B92

Borisov's main reason for cancellation of this project were Bulgaria's enviromental concerns.Fancy that.It was probably due to Bulgaria's inability to come up with its share of the cost.

As far as Nabucco is concerned i think its a " ghost project".We've been hearing all those big announcements for years and the project hasn't even agreed finance yet let alone start building it.

Another huge problem for Nabucco is the logistical one.How the gas is supposed to be transferred across Caspian Sea? Any country housing the pipeline will have the right to block it for various reasons(ie Iran,Turkey).

I think both Northen & South Stream will become realities in the future and it will be better for Europe since it won't have to rely for its energy on the unstable countries of the middle east or south caucasus.

Bulgaria is going Nabucco and with the missile shield, god knows what USA is giving them, but its devastating to Greece and possibly Serbia. From Romania it may not cross into Serbia, see the map, but definitely not to Greece.

This is HIGH stakes poker, James Bond style: USA, Turkey and the big EU powers vs Russia. USA is also promoting one through Albania-FYROM and Bulgaria for Caspian sea and US/EU companies want a slice of Albania's estimated 6 billion barrels of oil. For some reason Greece is being left with the anti-west group

Of course, this is the wish of Russia and its fans, but explain with economic arguemtns why it be better to rely only on one supplier (btw. a supplier with an background bullying with its resources) but on 2? Or do you want to make us believe that a monopoly is good for the customer? For obvious reasons, I don't think so, but believe that for your national(-istic) interest, you would love to see Russia being stronger. Well, with the Bulgarian your (bankrupt) Greece will be among the first who will feel the side effects with Bulgaria's denial for Southstream. Russia has now a huge problem since both, Bulgaria and Romania have their demands which Moscow cannot disregard any more. And better, what happens when Romania rejects Southstream either?

I can assure you that Russia's aggressiveness of the years before 2008 has made us all in Europe fully aware to find some reservers, even when they might appear economically not reasonable. But in the end, they are since we keep the market active (no monopoly), not mentioning the fact that independence - even a relative one - is priceless. Russia more or less realized that the big-mouth rhetorics, especially in 2007, are backfiring and that confrontation with the West cost them several hundred billions. Since 2008, I didn't hear any harsh rhetorics from Moscow any more. Interesting, wouldn't you agree?

Bad times for Russia, Serbia and Greece. Good for the West. Most of this thanks to the economic super power Germany. Danke!
(JohnC., 17 June 2010 12:36)

Iam not surprised at the comments of an Albanian nationalist who is still lingering with memories of the cold war and the propaganda which filled their minds day and night,
"hate all those bad ruskies" slogan.

The fact is the political leadership of the country you live as an immigrant don't share your views and this is why they've agreed with Russia to build the Northen Stream.By bypassing Ukraine this will bring Germany and Russia closer.The reason they want to bypass Ukraine is because until recently the American installed regime there was messing round with the pipeline by siphoning or blocking supplies. Not the Russians as you allege.


Whether you like it or not the reality is that Russia is the world's largest energy supplier and your kind of thinking is pure
nonsense, done to serve the interests of a small minority of rich speculators and neocon warmongers .

This the 4th time in 100 years Bulgaria stabbed RUS in the back but it does leave Romania a lot of room for getting its way in Moldova now that UKR is firmly in its natural sphere. Anyway, I expect RUS to take covert measures agains BUL if they go through with stabbing their ethnic, religious, cultural & linguistic brothers again.

What a breaking news...but not really since Bulgaria was questioning Southstream more and more. However, what surprises me is that Russia wants to deal with Romania, now. We all know about the trouble those 2 states faces. The Russian meddling in Moldova, which Romania regards as his sister country (and even more) will have to end if Russia wants to deal with Bucuresti. And even without that, negotiations will be hard.

On the other hand, doubts that Southstream will go through Serbia will increase, too, since it would mean a detour, and every kilometer counts. Maybe the storage facility will be created with a sidebranch leading to it, but I clearly doubt that main pipe will lead through Serbia. Greece is under this circumstances also highly questionable even when just recently a contract has been signed. Bosnia can be left out, completely.

Moreover, Gazprom has now to recalculate and plan for the new circumstance which means "more time is needed" and "higher costs".

Nabucco on the other hand gets more importance. With the newly discovered and huge reserves in Albania, it will be interesting to see if this will have an impact, too.

Overall an interesting situation.

One thing that history always teaches us. Bulgaria always screws up and backs the wrong horse.

Nabucco is a pipe dream. It doesn't even have sufficient gas reserves to pump through it.

In a way, I'm glad South Stream will go through Romania. Russia and Romania need to make up and get back to business. Sooner or later Romanians will realise the EU cannot save anyone and investing in Russia's energy reserves will generate hundreds of millions of Euros every year while giving Romania energy security.

As soon as Romania wakes up from this EU dream (nightmare) the Orthodox worlds can begin to reunite.

I think both Northen & South Stream will become realities in the future and it will be better for Europe since it won't have to rely for its energy on the unstable countries of the middle east or south caucasus.
(Leonidas, 17 June 2010 11:39)

Of course, this is the wish of Russia and its fans, but explain with economic arguemtns why it be better to rely only on one supplier (btw. a supplier with an background bullying with its resources) but on 2? Or do you want to make us believe that a monopoly is good for the customer? For obvious reasons, I don't think so, but believe that for your national(-istic) interest, you would love to see Russia being stronger. Well, with the Bulgarian your (bankrupt) Greece will be among the first who will feel the side effects with Bulgaria's denial for Southstream. Russia has now a huge problem since both, Bulgaria and Romania have their demands which Moscow cannot disregard any more. And better, what happens when Romania rejects Southstream either?

I can assure you that Russia's aggressiveness of the years before 2008 has made us all in Europe fully aware to find some reservers, even when they might appear economically not reasonable. But in the end, they are since we keep the market active (no monopoly), not mentioning the fact that independence - even a relative one - is priceless. Russia more or less realized that the big-mouth rhetorics, especially in 2007, are backfiring and that confrontation with the West cost them several hundred billions. Since 2008, I didn't hear any harsh rhetorics from Moscow any more. Interesting, wouldn't you agree?

Bad times for Russia, Serbia and Greece. Good for the West. Most of this thanks to the economic super power Germany. Danke!

I see you are not capable or not willing to answer to my previous question:

1.) Why do you claim that this monopoly is good for Europe?

2.) No comment to the fact that out of geographacic reasons (brankrupt) Greece is pretty much screwed when Bulgaria says no.

3.) No comment to further development to the Russia-Romania relationship, especially in reference to Moldova

4.) No comment to the fact that in this situation Nabucco is practically unchallanged in the Balkans while Southstream can fail with Romanian veto (especially when point 3. fails).

I can continue but I leave to this. So, do want to answer or just keep on dirt throwing (which I give a damn btw.).

Bad times for Russia, Serbia and Greece. Good for the West. Most of this thanks to the economic super power Germany. Danke!
(JohnC., 17 June 2010 12:36)


Let's wait and see if Spain asks Brussels for a 300bn Euro loan and whether their fellow EU ms Germany will cough up for it? So far Germany (Merkel) has shown rank incompetence in handling the euro crisis and theses are the words & votes (recently) of the germans themselves.

Talk about counting your chickens. It is still early days.

Aleks, the current German administration is one of the weakest in Germany's history and I bet that it will fall apart within the next 6 months, thanks to the Liberals and their stupid tax policy.

However, it is definitely not Merkel and the people around her which makes Germany so strong, but the 82 Mio living there. Germany is just like a machine, working hard, perfect and powerful. No country can show this performance currently. In fact, the last crisis made Germany even more powerful because it showed that virtual money is nothing (one of the reasons why the Greek real estate bubble bursted, since lying and cheating is a bad basis). Technology, knowledge, diverse industry, effectively no corruption and highly educated and especially willing workforce are the key for a prosperous country. Germany has all of it and is rightfully the strongest economy in Europe, and it will grow even more. The last financial crisis taught a lot of countries, especially in Southern Europe, a lesson. It wouldn't be recommendable to stand against this.

But now back to the topic. This is about Romania and Bulgaria. It is very intriguing to see that development. Romania can demand now anything from Moscow since Russia needs Romania, desperately. I recommend to make the price thrice as high as Bulgaria wanted it, including stopping all meddling in Moldova and complete withdrawal. If these demands are not met, Southstream will be burried, and welcome Southdreams. Nabucco, which Romania always emphasized, will get a huge boost.

Its just another Russian pipe dream. Just like Bulgaria also Romania is very weary of Kremlins and its political control plans. It dose not have nothing to do with energy supply but Geo political brinkmanship. Their are pipe lines already Going through Ukraine supplying the needs in Europe. All this political nonsense will make the Croatian LNG super port on the Island of Krk that more feasible and good in the long run for central Europeans. Not be held up to political ransom of the Muscovy Kremlinites.

I see you are not capable or not willing to answer to my previous question:

1.) Why do you claim that this monopoly is good for Europe?

2.) No comment to the fact that out of geographacic reasons (brankrupt) Greece is pretty much screwed when Bulgaria says no.

3.) No comment to further development to the Russia-Romania relationship, especially in reference to Moldova

4.) No comment to the fact that in this situation Nabucco is practically unchallanged in the Balkans while Southstream can fail with Romanian veto (especially when point 3. fails).

I can continue but I leave to this. So, do want to answer or just keep on dirt throwing (which I give a damn btw.).
(JohnC., 17 June 2010 15:31

1. You twist my words.I didn't claim Russian gas monopoly is better as such but the safer way for Europe's energy supplies.Since 2000km of the Nabucco pipeline will pass through Turkey it would be vulnerable to blackmail.Imagine one winter morning Erdogan decides to turn off the taps unless Turkey is allowed into EU.What would madam merkel l do?

2. I don't dive a monkey's what Bulgaria will do.They've always screwed their neighbours in the past why not now.
As to your comment on Greece being bankrupt this doesn't stop thousands of your compatriots trying to enter Greece cladenstingly on weekly basis.
3.The comment below answers your question.
"We had a very clear and substantive dialogue with Videanu. We have initiated an issue about Romania's possible participation in the South Stream project".
I am sure at some stage we'll find out whether the issue of Moldova bears any prominence in those negotiations.

4.The Nabucco project is a pipe dream dressed up as viable solution to Europe's energy supplies.Current costs vary from 12 - 20 billion euros with no finance agreed.By the time the project participants meet again at the end of 2010
or begging 2011 to finalise the finance don't be surprised if the whole project is abandoned.

The only way I could see this affecting Serbia is instead of the pipeline going through Pirot, it goes through Kladovo.

Nabucco? That thing still alive?

ROMANIA WILL BUILD SOUTH STREAM with their own money making deal with russia south stream for you republic moldova back to romania mother, bulgaria is playing pushing russia to romania deals

Eni is very happy .. has always push for Romania ... http://www.agip.ro/ro/html/folder_1769.shtml but South stream in the end will serve all the countries in SE europe...

Whether you like it or not the reality is that Russia is the world's largest energy supplier and your kind of thinking is pure
nonsense, done to serve the interests of a small minority of rich speculators and neocon warmongers .
(Leonidas, 17 June 2010 14:21) i agree with you leonidas.WEST europe and USA is nothing compare to russia and china.in the comen years we all gone leave west and start new life in russia or china.and also greece will become the first country to send man to the jupiter.MARK MY WORD!!!!

I think that we all agree that this has tremendeous impact in all projects. With the Bulgarian refusal, i find it hard to believe that this wont compromise Greece and Serbia. Their Part in this project completely relied on Bulgaria's participation. Without them, Serbia has been become redundant, and Greece is completely out. I'm wondering how Gazprom will make this to those countries understand. And we are not even talking about Romania. They can bring that Pipeline completely on a halt.

Maybe this would force Russia to stop all subtle attempts to obstruct Nabucco. For that Southstream will be build. Either way Russia has to cooperate if they don't want to end their project(s).

I'm almust sure that Northstream will be already be finished when the Southstream and Nabucco project are still discussing about the participating countries and the route.

And by then, there's no more need for additional pipeline projects, and the technology with LPG and shipping of gas will advance.

Romania should just concentrate on NABUCCO.

I hope the Russians never succeed in building South Stream.

Romania and Bulgaria should say NO to Russian gas!

http://www.euractiv.com/en/energy/gazprom-s-south-stream-romania-bulgaria-out-news-263855
"Silliest country in the Balkans" award goes to Bulgaria. The US strings it along to buy time for the inept Nabucco project and now Bulgaria looks down the same path as Ukraine and Georgia. The US comes up with the "look after the environment" excuse after it cannot even plug a hole.
Sacrificing Bulgarian peoples welfare and gov't revenue for what?, Romania is laughing all the way to the bank. Sabre rattling with GAZPROM who are two steps ahead, silly Bulgaria.

Romania should just concentrate on NABUCCO.
I hope the Russians never succeed in building South Stream.
Romania and Bulgaria should say NO to Russian gas!
(Mircea, 17 June 2010 21:43)
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That is exactly the reason Romania is in such severe economic trouble. Nabucco is dead. There isn't even sufficient gas supply to enter this pipeline whereas South Stream could generate hundreds of millions of Euros in transit fees for Romania. However, you still choose the dud over the money generating project. If that is the general attitude of Romanians then I can clearly see why it hasn't progressed in decades. You'd prefer to be given fish on a daily basis to feed yourselves rather than learn to fish.

"1. You twist my words.I didn't claim Russian gas monopoly is better as such but the safer way for Europe's energy supplies.Since 2000km of the Nabucco pipeline will pass through Turkey it would be vulnerable to blackmail.Imagine one winter morning Erdogan decides to turn off the taps unless Turkey is allowed into EU.What would madam merkel l do?"
(Leonidas, 17 June 2010 18:51)

I totally agree with your opinion about Turkey as a reliable partner. This country could easily create similar problems to the ones which the Ukraine created some years ago in winter, though for different reasons.

But don't worry about Madam Merkel, by then, the Northstream will be finished and operating. The advantage of this project is that it creates a direct connection between Russia and Germany (and from there to other EU countries) avoiding transit countries. About the russian monopoly: It's not a good thing, but so far, since 40 years or so, the Russians (or, then, the Soviet Union), as been a reliable source for gas supply. They never stopped or blackmailed their European gas partners/customers.

Romania should just concentrate on NABUCCO.

I hope the Russians never succeed in building South Stream.

Romania and Bulgaria should say NO to Russian gas!
(Mircea, 17 June 2010, 21:43)

Unbelivable!!!! A post by Mircea that doesn't end with long live the EU!?!?!?

If this can happen, anything can happen, even Nabucco might happen... maybe in some 25 years and then South Stream will already been working for some 15+ years...
If EU thought Ukraine was a unsecure partner to have pipelines through, good choise to pick Turkey then...

I like Mircea, cause he is definite, accurate and short.
I would prefer his style like
"Go Russia" or "West hurray!!" or , instead of getting consumed in serious-wannabe "reasoning".

I am just curious what the bankrupt US offered Bulgaria? More debt? They are a falling superpower who just can not offer anyone anything any more, since their debt is getting out of control.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Bulgaria are behaving like cheap prostitutes, and will go with the highest bidder. Once they realize the US can not offer them anything, they will be begging Russia to build a pipeline through their country. Russia is the future, with enormous amounts of natural resources that the world needs. The US, Germany, UK...they simply don't have those resources anywhere, or else they would have found them already.
Serbia needs to stay out of NATO, stay out of the EU, and stay close to our real friends who are really defending our national interests - Russia. They don't just talk the talk, they walk the walk.

Aleks, the current German administration is one of the weakest in Germany's history and I bet that it will fall apart within the next 6 months, thanks to the Liberals and their stupid tax policy.

However, it is definitely not Merkel and the people around her which makes Germany so strong, but the 82 Mio living there. Germany is just like a machine, working hard, perfect and powerful. No country can show this performance currently. In fact, the last crisis made Germany even more powerful because it showed that virtual money is nothing (one of the reasons why the Greek real estate bubble bursted, since lying and cheating is a bad basis). Technology, knowledge, diverse industry, effectively no corruption and highly educated and especially willing workforce are the key for a prosperous country. Germany has all of it and is rightfully the strongest economy in Europe, and it will grow even more. The last financial crisis taught a lot of countries, especially in Southern Europe, a lesson. It wouldn't be recommendable to stand against this.

But now back to the topic. This is about Romania and Bulgaria. It is very intriguing to see that development. Romania can demand now anything from Moscow since Russia needs Romania, desperately. I recommend to make the price thrice as high as Bulgaria wanted it, including stopping all meddling in Moldova and complete withdrawal. If these demands are not met, Southstream will be burried, and welcome Southdreams. Nabucco, which Romania always emphasized, will get a huge boost.

I think both Northen & South Stream will become realities in the future and it will be better for Europe since it won't have to rely for its energy on the unstable countries of the middle east or south caucasus.
(Leonidas, 17 June 2010 11:39)

Of course, this is the wish of Russia and its fans, but explain with economic arguemtns why it be better to rely only on one supplier (btw. a supplier with an background bullying with its resources) but on 2? Or do you want to make us believe that a monopoly is good for the customer? For obvious reasons, I don't think so, but believe that for your national(-istic) interest, you would love to see Russia being stronger. Well, with the Bulgarian your (bankrupt) Greece will be among the first who will feel the side effects with Bulgaria's denial for Southstream. Russia has now a huge problem since both, Bulgaria and Romania have their demands which Moscow cannot disregard any more. And better, what happens when Romania rejects Southstream either?

I can assure you that Russia's aggressiveness of the years before 2008 has made us all in Europe fully aware to find some reservers, even when they might appear economically not reasonable. But in the end, they are since we keep the market active (no monopoly), not mentioning the fact that independence - even a relative one - is priceless. Russia more or less realized that the big-mouth rhetorics, especially in 2007, are backfiring and that confrontation with the West cost them several hundred billions. Since 2008, I didn't hear any harsh rhetorics from Moscow any more. Interesting, wouldn't you agree?

Bad times for Russia, Serbia and Greece. Good for the West. Most of this thanks to the economic super power Germany. Danke!

Nabucco is a pipe dream. It doesn't even have sufficient gas reserves to pump through it.

In a way, I'm glad South Stream will go through Romania. Russia and Romania need to make up and get back to business. Sooner or later Romanians will realise the EU cannot save anyone and investing in Russia's energy reserves will generate hundreds of millions of Euros every year while giving Romania energy security.

As soon as Romania wakes up from this EU dream (nightmare) the Orthodox worlds can begin to reunite.

I see you are not capable or not willing to answer to my previous question:

1.) Why do you claim that this monopoly is good for Europe?

2.) No comment to the fact that out of geographacic reasons (brankrupt) Greece is pretty much screwed when Bulgaria says no.

3.) No comment to further development to the Russia-Romania relationship, especially in reference to Moldova

4.) No comment to the fact that in this situation Nabucco is practically unchallanged in the Balkans while Southstream can fail with Romanian veto (especially when point 3. fails).

I can continue but I leave to this. So, do want to answer or just keep on dirt throwing (which I give a damn btw.).

Whether you like it or not the reality is that Russia is the world's largest energy supplier and your kind of thinking is pure
nonsense, done to serve the interests of a small minority of rich speculators and neocon warmongers .
(Leonidas, 17 June 2010 14:21) i agree with you leonidas.WEST europe and USA is nothing compare to russia and china.in the comen years we all gone leave west and start new life in russia or china.and also greece will become the first country to send man to the jupiter.MARK MY WORD!!!!

Of course, this is the wish of Russia and its fans, but explain with economic arguemtns why it be better to rely only on one supplier (btw. a supplier with an background bullying with its resources) but on 2? Or do you want to make us believe that a monopoly is good for the customer? For obvious reasons, I don't think so, but believe that for your national(-istic) interest, you would love to see Russia being stronger. Well, with the Bulgarian your (bankrupt) Greece will be among the first who will feel the side effects with Bulgaria's denial for Southstream. Russia has now a huge problem since both, Bulgaria and Romania have their demands which Moscow cannot disregard any more. And better, what happens when Romania rejects Southstream either?

I can assure you that Russia's aggressiveness of the years before 2008 has made us all in Europe fully aware to find some reservers, even when they might appear economically not reasonable. But in the end, they are since we keep the market active (no monopoly), not mentioning the fact that independence - even a relative one - is priceless. Russia more or less realized that the big-mouth rhetorics, especially in 2007, are backfiring and that confrontation with the West cost them several hundred billions. Since 2008, I didn't hear any harsh rhetorics from Moscow any more. Interesting, wouldn't you agree?

Bad times for Russia, Serbia and Greece. Good for the West. Most of this thanks to the economic super power Germany. Danke!
(JohnC., 17 June 2010 12:36)

Iam not surprised at the comments of an Albanian nationalist who is still lingering with memories of the cold war and the propaganda which filled their minds day and night,
"hate all those bad ruskies" slogan.

The fact is the political leadership of the country you live as an immigrant don't share your views and this is why they've agreed with Russia to build the Northen Stream.By bypassing Ukraine this will bring Germany and Russia closer.The reason they want to bypass Ukraine is because until recently the American installed regime there was messing round with the pipeline by siphoning or blocking supplies. Not the Russians as you allege.


Whether you like it or not the reality is that Russia is the world's largest energy supplier and your kind of thinking is pure
nonsense, done to serve the interests of a small minority of rich speculators and neocon warmongers .

What a breaking news...but not really since Bulgaria was questioning Southstream more and more. However, what surprises me is that Russia wants to deal with Romania, now. We all know about the trouble those 2 states faces. The Russian meddling in Moldova, which Romania regards as his sister country (and even more) will have to end if Russia wants to deal with Bucuresti. And even without that, negotiations will be hard.

On the other hand, doubts that Southstream will go through Serbia will increase, too, since it would mean a detour, and every kilometer counts. Maybe the storage facility will be created with a sidebranch leading to it, but I clearly doubt that main pipe will lead through Serbia. Greece is under this circumstances also highly questionable even when just recently a contract has been signed. Bosnia can be left out, completely.

Moreover, Gazprom has now to recalculate and plan for the new circumstance which means "more time is needed" and "higher costs".

Nabucco on the other hand gets more importance. With the newly discovered and huge reserves in Albania, it will be interesting to see if this will have an impact, too.

Overall an interesting situation.

This the 4th time in 100 years Bulgaria stabbed RUS in the back but it does leave Romania a lot of room for getting its way in Moldova now that UKR is firmly in its natural sphere. Anyway, I expect RUS to take covert measures agains BUL if they go through with stabbing their ethnic, religious, cultural & linguistic brothers again.

The change in Gazprom's policy came after Bulgaria's Prime Minister Boiko Borisov announced that the country would not move ahead with the Russian-Bulgarian energy projects - Burgas-Alexandroupolis oil pipeline.

B92

Borisov's main reason for cancellation of this project were Bulgaria's enviromental concerns.Fancy that.It was probably due to Bulgaria's inability to come up with its share of the cost.

As far as Nabucco is concerned i think its a " ghost project".We've been hearing all those big announcements for years and the project hasn't even agreed finance yet let alone start building it.

Another huge problem for Nabucco is the logistical one.How the gas is supposed to be transferred across Caspian Sea? Any country housing the pipeline will have the right to block it for various reasons(ie Iran,Turkey).

I think both Northen & South Stream will become realities in the future and it will be better for Europe since it won't have to rely for its energy on the unstable countries of the middle east or south caucasus.

Romania should just concentrate on NABUCCO.

I hope the Russians never succeed in building South Stream.

Romania and Bulgaria should say NO to Russian gas!

Bad times for Russia, Serbia and Greece. Good for the West. Most of this thanks to the economic super power Germany. Danke!
(JohnC., 17 June 2010 12:36)


Let's wait and see if Spain asks Brussels for a 300bn Euro loan and whether their fellow EU ms Germany will cough up for it? So far Germany (Merkel) has shown rank incompetence in handling the euro crisis and theses are the words & votes (recently) of the germans themselves.

Talk about counting your chickens. It is still early days.

Eni is very happy .. has always push for Romania ... http://www.agip.ro/ro/html/folder_1769.shtml but South stream in the end will serve all the countries in SE europe...

One thing that history always teaches us. Bulgaria always screws up and backs the wrong horse.

I like Mircea, cause he is definite, accurate and short.
I would prefer his style like
"Go Russia" or "West hurray!!" or , instead of getting consumed in serious-wannabe "reasoning".

I think that we all agree that this has tremendeous impact in all projects. With the Bulgarian refusal, i find it hard to believe that this wont compromise Greece and Serbia. Their Part in this project completely relied on Bulgaria's participation. Without them, Serbia has been become redundant, and Greece is completely out. I'm wondering how Gazprom will make this to those countries understand. And we are not even talking about Romania. They can bring that Pipeline completely on a halt.

Maybe this would force Russia to stop all subtle attempts to obstruct Nabucco. For that Southstream will be build. Either way Russia has to cooperate if they don't want to end their project(s).

I see you are not capable or not willing to answer to my previous question:

1.) Why do you claim that this monopoly is good for Europe?

2.) No comment to the fact that out of geographacic reasons (brankrupt) Greece is pretty much screwed when Bulgaria says no.

3.) No comment to further development to the Russia-Romania relationship, especially in reference to Moldova

4.) No comment to the fact that in this situation Nabucco is practically unchallanged in the Balkans while Southstream can fail with Romanian veto (especially when point 3. fails).

I can continue but I leave to this. So, do want to answer or just keep on dirt throwing (which I give a damn btw.).
(JohnC., 17 June 2010 15:31

1. You twist my words.I didn't claim Russian gas monopoly is better as such but the safer way for Europe's energy supplies.Since 2000km of the Nabucco pipeline will pass through Turkey it would be vulnerable to blackmail.Imagine one winter morning Erdogan decides to turn off the taps unless Turkey is allowed into EU.What would madam merkel l do?

2. I don't dive a monkey's what Bulgaria will do.They've always screwed their neighbours in the past why not now.
As to your comment on Greece being bankrupt this doesn't stop thousands of your compatriots trying to enter Greece cladenstingly on weekly basis.
3.The comment below answers your question.
"We had a very clear and substantive dialogue with Videanu. We have initiated an issue about Romania's possible participation in the South Stream project".
I am sure at some stage we'll find out whether the issue of Moldova bears any prominence in those negotiations.

4.The Nabucco project is a pipe dream dressed up as viable solution to Europe's energy supplies.Current costs vary from 12 - 20 billion euros with no finance agreed.By the time the project participants meet again at the end of 2010
or begging 2011 to finalise the finance don't be surprised if the whole project is abandoned.

Its just another Russian pipe dream. Just like Bulgaria also Romania is very weary of Kremlins and its political control plans. It dose not have nothing to do with energy supply but Geo political brinkmanship. Their are pipe lines already Going through Ukraine supplying the needs in Europe. All this political nonsense will make the Croatian LNG super port on the Island of Krk that more feasible and good in the long run for central Europeans. Not be held up to political ransom of the Muscovy Kremlinites.

Bulgaria is going Nabucco and with the missile shield, god knows what USA is giving them, but its devastating to Greece and possibly Serbia. From Romania it may not cross into Serbia, see the map, but definitely not to Greece.

This is HIGH stakes poker, James Bond style: USA, Turkey and the big EU powers vs Russia. USA is also promoting one through Albania-FYROM and Bulgaria for Caspian sea and US/EU companies want a slice of Albania's estimated 6 billion barrels of oil. For some reason Greece is being left with the anti-west group

ROMANIA WILL BUILD SOUTH STREAM with their own money making deal with russia south stream for you republic moldova back to romania mother, bulgaria is playing pushing russia to romania deals

The only way I could see this affecting Serbia is instead of the pipeline going through Pirot, it goes through Kladovo.

Nabucco? That thing still alive?

http://www.euractiv.com/en/energy/gazprom-s-south-stream-romania-bulgaria-out-news-263855
"Silliest country in the Balkans" award goes to Bulgaria. The US strings it along to buy time for the inept Nabucco project and now Bulgaria looks down the same path as Ukraine and Georgia. The US comes up with the "look after the environment" excuse after it cannot even plug a hole.
Sacrificing Bulgarian peoples welfare and gov't revenue for what?, Romania is laughing all the way to the bank. Sabre rattling with GAZPROM who are two steps ahead, silly Bulgaria.

Romania should just concentrate on NABUCCO.
I hope the Russians never succeed in building South Stream.
Romania and Bulgaria should say NO to Russian gas!
(Mircea, 17 June 2010 21:43)
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That is exactly the reason Romania is in such severe economic trouble. Nabucco is dead. There isn't even sufficient gas supply to enter this pipeline whereas South Stream could generate hundreds of millions of Euros in transit fees for Romania. However, you still choose the dud over the money generating project. If that is the general attitude of Romanians then I can clearly see why it hasn't progressed in decades. You'd prefer to be given fish on a daily basis to feed yourselves rather than learn to fish.

I'm almust sure that Northstream will be already be finished when the Southstream and Nabucco project are still discussing about the participating countries and the route.

And by then, there's no more need for additional pipeline projects, and the technology with LPG and shipping of gas will advance.

"1. You twist my words.I didn't claim Russian gas monopoly is better as such but the safer way for Europe's energy supplies.Since 2000km of the Nabucco pipeline will pass through Turkey it would be vulnerable to blackmail.Imagine one winter morning Erdogan decides to turn off the taps unless Turkey is allowed into EU.What would madam merkel l do?"
(Leonidas, 17 June 2010 18:51)

I totally agree with your opinion about Turkey as a reliable partner. This country could easily create similar problems to the ones which the Ukraine created some years ago in winter, though for different reasons.

But don't worry about Madam Merkel, by then, the Northstream will be finished and operating. The advantage of this project is that it creates a direct connection between Russia and Germany (and from there to other EU countries) avoiding transit countries. About the russian monopoly: It's not a good thing, but so far, since 40 years or so, the Russians (or, then, the Soviet Union), as been a reliable source for gas supply. They never stopped or blackmailed their European gas partners/customers.

Romania should just concentrate on NABUCCO.

I hope the Russians never succeed in building South Stream.

Romania and Bulgaria should say NO to Russian gas!
(Mircea, 17 June 2010, 21:43)

Unbelivable!!!! A post by Mircea that doesn't end with long live the EU!?!?!?

If this can happen, anything can happen, even Nabucco might happen... maybe in some 25 years and then South Stream will already been working for some 15+ years...
If EU thought Ukraine was a unsecure partner to have pipelines through, good choise to pick Turkey then...