“Serbia backs integrity of Bosnia, entities”

RS President Rajko Kuzmanović, who also attended the meeting along with other top RS and Serbian officials, said that the session was more successful than was expected, and that its 24 participants “almost amount to two whole governments”. That almost makes one hole comatose brain good picture. Entity is not much of anything or a government it is some kind of weird fictitious made up thing like "Srpska". Still Serbia is still stooping low after all it did in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina. Keep up the "good neighbourly relationships" the reward is on its way.

How many Presidents aand PM's has Bosnia???
How many trips Tadic has made already to BanjaLuka within 2-3 months, and why?
Tadic should try to go for a visit in White House,DC for change. ops, the door is shot for Serbia in White House, at least for now.

The wierd thing Lenard talks about is made up of 1.4 million people who do not accept the idea of a centralised state. Of coarse not only if it is a Greater Serbian centralized state. That can live off the many mass graves and massive ethnic cleansing in Bosnia whose kidding who all roads lead directly to Belgrade Serbia.

"How many Presidents and PM's has Bosnia??? How many trips Tadic has made already to BanjaLuka within 2-3 months, and why? Tadic should try to go for a visit in White House,DC for change. ops, the door is shot for Serbia in White House, at least for now.
(Kosova-USA, 8 June 2010 17:39)"

Kosovo-USA,

You have become the same broken old record as Mircea. He was the EU-champion and you are the silly question champion. Serbia does not have to go to The White House. Just be aware that one day when Albanians knock on the door the Americans will say "Albanians who, what, where, when, why". By the way, Albanians were and are only tolerated because of generous gifts of Albanian Americans to US Senators and representatives who had no clue who Albanians were (and are) or where Albania is located. Interests change constantly and believe me, the US has very few friends and they have to intention to have many anyway. So for the time being you guys are just an interest. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Lenard,

Please do us and yourself a favor and refrain from posting comments here until you have cooled down a little bit. That much hate, rage, and frustration is not good for your health. Just mind your own business and let the Serbs mind theirs.

RE; The Unholy Alliance

It is no secret that only through pressure from Western Europe, the so called Bosniak/Croat federation is being held together.

Milosevic was smart enough to guarantee Dayton and gives Serbs a fighting chance in RS. He also did the same in Kosovo with UN 1244, but western Europe failed to honor its agreement and international law; they will also try to diassemble Dayton which will bring about disasterous results and ignite the Balkans again.

So called Bosniaks are nothing more than Serbs or Croats converted to Islam.

Lenard, please stop with the mass graves and whatnot. A few people in a grave can be a mass grave. At any rate, this happened to all sides. But you ignore a key thing - that Republika Srpska is a byproduct of crimes done to serbs. Some 400,000 serbs have been displaced into republika srpska. You seem to not care about them. R.S. is the least that the serbs deserve in bih. The bosniak government signed off on the legalization of this entity, because had they not the war would not have stopped. Keep this in mind, would you?

Lenard, you need to come to grips with reality, that R.Srpska is a real entity that is not going away, that bosnia fought a civil war in which serbia was not much of a factor, and that you can not push the serbs out of bosnia no matter how much you want to.

At any rate, I think that Serbia is kinda passive when it comes to relations with RS.

lenard you must be a Bosnian Croat? If so, many serbs have the same feeling towards Croatia after they were cleansed from Croatia. Don't cry for me Argentina! The truth is that I never left you........ Displaced people from the balkans can insert their own country. We can all feel the same pain.

"Tadic should try to go for a visit in White House,DC for change. ops, the door is shot for Serbia in White House, at least for now." (Kosova-USA)

-- I don't recall the White House's doors being "shot for" Serbia. Last I checked, the US and Serbia have embassies in their respective countries. Now if you know something the rest of the galaxy doesn't, please alleviate our ignorance. If you're just throwing words together to make a comment, a little accuracy goes a long way.

The wierd fictional thing Lenard talks about is made up of 1.4 million people who do not accept the idea of a centralised state.Nor does it owe any real allegance to a state called BH.Why hould it?Who benefits from this country? Not the Croats who have been marginalised, only The Bosniaks.
You can't make a country work if 51% of the country don't see it as their country and that is the problem.Unlike SFRJ which was externally destoyed and hd no internal cohesion BH is kept alive artificailly by the West and has less cohesion than the SFRJ and just cannot survive in the long run.Despite the nonsense the recognition of BH was a massive mistake.
Why can't run itself?.It would last a week if left alone and you can't keep threatening the Majority Serbs and Croats.
What country has existed as long as BH an international protectorate which hasn't its own internal allegiance.It's a pack of cards.

B92,

Can you please provide us with some voting statistics (the country of origin of the IP address, number of multiple votes per IP address). I do not care that my posting is disliked a lot (to me that means that I have written some truth that other do not want to read). However, it is quite impossible that Lenard's comment is liked so much (it is also disliked a lot, which makes sense). Of course we Serbs do not get discouraged by this kind of voting. However, it seems that more Serb haters are visiting and voting. Unfortunately they are not learning anything.

RE; Viability of B&G

If Bosnia and Herzegovina is supposedly a "viable state" than what happened in Jugoslavija where Tito exausted all effots for "brotherhood and unity"?

Does Europe think they can do any better be essentially creating an international protectorate unlike the one formed by Austro-Hungary?

Unfortunately not, Austro-Hungary found out the hard way.

"Republika Srpska is a byproduct of crimes done to serbs. Some 400,000 serbs have been displaced into republika srpska. Lazar"

The point you miss Lazar, is that RS as it is structurally and territorially defined now was founded on war crimes and genocide (Cf Srebrenica) when it didn't need to be. A form of RS could have easily been formed in parts of Western Bosnia, Eastern Herzegovina & Semberija.

But such a RS it would have been territorially smaller than what is now, for example most of Eastern Bosnia & Posavina would not be part of it if it wasn't for war being utilised to force population exchanges.

As for the displaced Serbs, a large number of them where used as pawns by their leaders, to cement ethnic majorities in coveted territories. Many also did not want to or could not comprehend the concept of living in an Independent Bosnia or Croatia - for them citizenship was synonymous with ethnicity.

The other point that is missed that the Dayton accords only saw RS as part of transitional arrangements while a more functional central government was being worked out. RS & Serbia officials have reneged on the second part of the deal, but still want to keep RS and indeed make it a quasi-independent entity that is economically and culturally merged with Serbia, contrary the intention of Dayton.

Sad really, all that human suffering was unnecessary.

Mr. Tadic should spend more of his time trying to fix Serbia's problems and less traveling around the region. Serbia can not maintain its own territorial integrity so having him talk about Bosnia's integrity is not of great value. Bosnia-Herzegovina has its territorial integrity guaranteed by the UN and its citizens and Serbia supporting Bosnia is important but only if it's done sincerely. As long as Serbia keeps supporting Dodik and his pals in power anything that Serbian officials say has to be taken with a giant grain of salt since their real desires are up for question. Should Bosnian politicians return the favor by traveling to Vojvodina, Sandzak, and Presevo Valley on a weekly basis having meetings with separatist politicians and parties and state that they support Serbia's territorial integrity? It's the least they could do.

Guys - afraid Lenard is not going to tone down, it's just the way s/he is - although I still suspect "Lenard" is a computer program generating random thoughts designed to provoke.

Anyway - once more for "Lenards" sake - casualties from the Bosnian War were:-

Muslims
31,270 soldiers killed
33,071 civilians killed

Croats
5,439 soldiers killed
2,163 civilians killed

Serbs
20,649 soldiers killed
4,075 civilians killed

Basically in proportion with the size of each ethnic group with the exception Muslims got the worst of it on the civilian front (and Croats were responsible for a fair bit of that).

Sorry to burst the Muslim/Croat bubble, but these numbers confirm this was a civil war, everyone suffered, and there aren't the massive lopsided casualties needed to make it genocide one way or the other.

It is especially impossible for any Croat to claim Serbs carried out "genocide" against them during the Bosnian war. Given they were also fighting the Muslims for a while, it's surprising just how few Croat casualties there were.

Keep inventing/generating the stories though Lenard - always good for a laugh.

Meanwhile we Krajina Serbs who were genuinely destroyed by "Croatia" during the 20th century eagerly await an apology (were 20% of the population before WW2, now 4% after NDH and Tudjman/Mesic).

If this was a so called civil war, why was the Serbian president named the very FIRST war criminal in the entire Balkans.

Oh, looks like Serbia was directly involved too.

It isn't a civil ware anymore.

Please, stop picking on the one person who has the decency who level the playing field.

There must be thousands of Serbs who post on here, yet I have only seen Lenard and a few Albanians stand against and tell everyone their side of the story.

Why ridicule them? They are just voicing their opinions in this lovely democratic region.

Milan I'm not sure such a thing is practical or workable.

There are some unintelligent people around here, but you have to rely or hope that most intelligent people realise when one post receives many, many votes and all others are in single figures. Likewise the vanity or immaturity of some posters means that they only vote for their own posts, whereas one after it that is by somebody else completely agreeing is forgotten. With that post you can see the true figure.

Just by looking over a period of time you can tell who does what. I could quite easily reel off names of those that do this regularly, but equally those that don't.

Although we have had disagreements Zoran is one of those that doesn't do this. Over a long period I have noticed this. Ataman also certainly does not do it. I won't bother naming the morons that cast double figure numbers for themselves. They know who they are.

In my own case some 2 weeks ago I had some fool voting down all my posts for a number of days. But hey presto, he has melted away (armchair patriot not really interested in Serbia) and the 'score' is back to normal.

The moral is that none of us should take too much notice of the score.

I don't recall the White House's doors being "shot for" Serbia. Last I checked, the US and Serbia have embassies in their respective countries. Now if you know something the rest of the galaxy doesn't, please alleviate our ignorance. If you're just throwing words together to make a comment, a little accuracy goes a long way.
(Mike, 8 June 2010 21:07)

What is your point man?
Last I checked, the US and Kosova/o have embassies in their respective countries

"What is your point man?
Last I checked, the US and Kosova/o have embassies in their respective countries."
(Kosova-USA)

-- That's fantastic, but that's not what I called you out on. My point is that you once again wrote something that is factually untrue and when pressed on it, you avoided answering and changed the subject.

RS President Rajko Kuzmanović, who also attended the meeting along with other top RS and Serbian officials, said that the session was more successful than was expected, and that its 24 participants “almost amount to two whole governments”. That almost makes one hole comatose brain good picture. Entity is not much of anything or a government it is some kind of weird fictitious made up thing like "Srpska". Still Serbia is still stooping low after all it did in the country of Bosnia i Herzegovina. Keep up the "good neighbourly relationships" the reward is on its way.

How many Presidents aand PM's has Bosnia???
How many trips Tadic has made already to BanjaLuka within 2-3 months, and why?
Tadic should try to go for a visit in White House,DC for change. ops, the door is shot for Serbia in White House, at least for now.

"How many Presidents and PM's has Bosnia??? How many trips Tadic has made already to BanjaLuka within 2-3 months, and why? Tadic should try to go for a visit in White House,DC for change. ops, the door is shot for Serbia in White House, at least for now.
(Kosova-USA, 8 June 2010 17:39)"

Kosovo-USA,

You have become the same broken old record as Mircea. He was the EU-champion and you are the silly question champion. Serbia does not have to go to The White House. Just be aware that one day when Albanians knock on the door the Americans will say "Albanians who, what, where, when, why". By the way, Albanians were and are only tolerated because of generous gifts of Albanian Americans to US Senators and representatives who had no clue who Albanians were (and are) or where Albania is located. Interests change constantly and believe me, the US has very few friends and they have to intention to have many anyway. So for the time being you guys are just an interest. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Lenard,

Please do us and yourself a favor and refrain from posting comments here until you have cooled down a little bit. That much hate, rage, and frustration is not good for your health. Just mind your own business and let the Serbs mind theirs.

Lenard, you need to come to grips with reality, that R.Srpska is a real entity that is not going away, that bosnia fought a civil war in which serbia was not much of a factor, and that you can not push the serbs out of bosnia no matter how much you want to.

At any rate, I think that Serbia is kinda passive when it comes to relations with RS.

The wierd thing Lenard talks about is made up of 1.4 million people who do not accept the idea of a centralised state. Of coarse not only if it is a Greater Serbian centralized state. That can live off the many mass graves and massive ethnic cleansing in Bosnia whose kidding who all roads lead directly to Belgrade Serbia.

B92,

Can you please provide us with some voting statistics (the country of origin of the IP address, number of multiple votes per IP address). I do not care that my posting is disliked a lot (to me that means that I have written some truth that other do not want to read). However, it is quite impossible that Lenard's comment is liked so much (it is also disliked a lot, which makes sense). Of course we Serbs do not get discouraged by this kind of voting. However, it seems that more Serb haters are visiting and voting. Unfortunately they are not learning anything.

Lenard, please stop with the mass graves and whatnot. A few people in a grave can be a mass grave. At any rate, this happened to all sides. But you ignore a key thing - that Republika Srpska is a byproduct of crimes done to serbs. Some 400,000 serbs have been displaced into republika srpska. You seem to not care about them. R.S. is the least that the serbs deserve in bih. The bosniak government signed off on the legalization of this entity, because had they not the war would not have stopped. Keep this in mind, would you?

RE; The Unholy Alliance

It is no secret that only through pressure from Western Europe, the so called Bosniak/Croat federation is being held together.

Milosevic was smart enough to guarantee Dayton and gives Serbs a fighting chance in RS. He also did the same in Kosovo with UN 1244, but western Europe failed to honor its agreement and international law; they will also try to diassemble Dayton which will bring about disasterous results and ignite the Balkans again.

So called Bosniaks are nothing more than Serbs or Croats converted to Islam.

The wierd fictional thing Lenard talks about is made up of 1.4 million people who do not accept the idea of a centralised state.Nor does it owe any real allegance to a state called BH.Why hould it?Who benefits from this country? Not the Croats who have been marginalised, only The Bosniaks.
You can't make a country work if 51% of the country don't see it as their country and that is the problem.Unlike SFRJ which was externally destoyed and hd no internal cohesion BH is kept alive artificailly by the West and has less cohesion than the SFRJ and just cannot survive in the long run.Despite the nonsense the recognition of BH was a massive mistake.
Why can't run itself?.It would last a week if left alone and you can't keep threatening the Majority Serbs and Croats.
What country has existed as long as BH an international protectorate which hasn't its own internal allegiance.It's a pack of cards.

RE; Viability of B&G

If Bosnia and Herzegovina is supposedly a "viable state" than what happened in Jugoslavija where Tito exausted all effots for "brotherhood and unity"?

Does Europe think they can do any better be essentially creating an international protectorate unlike the one formed by Austro-Hungary?

Unfortunately not, Austro-Hungary found out the hard way.

"Republika Srpska is a byproduct of crimes done to serbs. Some 400,000 serbs have been displaced into republika srpska. Lazar"

The point you miss Lazar, is that RS as it is structurally and territorially defined now was founded on war crimes and genocide (Cf Srebrenica) when it didn't need to be. A form of RS could have easily been formed in parts of Western Bosnia, Eastern Herzegovina & Semberija.

But such a RS it would have been territorially smaller than what is now, for example most of Eastern Bosnia & Posavina would not be part of it if it wasn't for war being utilised to force population exchanges.

As for the displaced Serbs, a large number of them where used as pawns by their leaders, to cement ethnic majorities in coveted territories. Many also did not want to or could not comprehend the concept of living in an Independent Bosnia or Croatia - for them citizenship was synonymous with ethnicity.

The other point that is missed that the Dayton accords only saw RS as part of transitional arrangements while a more functional central government was being worked out. RS & Serbia officials have reneged on the second part of the deal, but still want to keep RS and indeed make it a quasi-independent entity that is economically and culturally merged with Serbia, contrary the intention of Dayton.

Sad really, all that human suffering was unnecessary.

lenard you must be a Bosnian Croat? If so, many serbs have the same feeling towards Croatia after they were cleansed from Croatia. Don't cry for me Argentina! The truth is that I never left you........ Displaced people from the balkans can insert their own country. We can all feel the same pain.

I don't recall the White House's doors being "shot for" Serbia. Last I checked, the US and Serbia have embassies in their respective countries. Now if you know something the rest of the galaxy doesn't, please alleviate our ignorance. If you're just throwing words together to make a comment, a little accuracy goes a long way.
(Mike, 8 June 2010 21:07)

What is your point man?
Last I checked, the US and Kosova/o have embassies in their respective countries

Mr. Tadic should spend more of his time trying to fix Serbia's problems and less traveling around the region. Serbia can not maintain its own territorial integrity so having him talk about Bosnia's integrity is not of great value. Bosnia-Herzegovina has its territorial integrity guaranteed by the UN and its citizens and Serbia supporting Bosnia is important but only if it's done sincerely. As long as Serbia keeps supporting Dodik and his pals in power anything that Serbian officials say has to be taken with a giant grain of salt since their real desires are up for question. Should Bosnian politicians return the favor by traveling to Vojvodina, Sandzak, and Presevo Valley on a weekly basis having meetings with separatist politicians and parties and state that they support Serbia's territorial integrity? It's the least they could do.

"Tadic should try to go for a visit in White House,DC for change. ops, the door is shot for Serbia in White House, at least for now." (Kosova-USA)

-- I don't recall the White House's doors being "shot for" Serbia. Last I checked, the US and Serbia have embassies in their respective countries. Now if you know something the rest of the galaxy doesn't, please alleviate our ignorance. If you're just throwing words together to make a comment, a little accuracy goes a long way.

Guys - afraid Lenard is not going to tone down, it's just the way s/he is - although I still suspect "Lenard" is a computer program generating random thoughts designed to provoke.

Anyway - once more for "Lenards" sake - casualties from the Bosnian War were:-

Muslims
31,270 soldiers killed
33,071 civilians killed

Croats
5,439 soldiers killed
2,163 civilians killed

Serbs
20,649 soldiers killed
4,075 civilians killed

Basically in proportion with the size of each ethnic group with the exception Muslims got the worst of it on the civilian front (and Croats were responsible for a fair bit of that).

Sorry to burst the Muslim/Croat bubble, but these numbers confirm this was a civil war, everyone suffered, and there aren't the massive lopsided casualties needed to make it genocide one way or the other.

It is especially impossible for any Croat to claim Serbs carried out "genocide" against them during the Bosnian war. Given they were also fighting the Muslims for a while, it's surprising just how few Croat casualties there were.

Keep inventing/generating the stories though Lenard - always good for a laugh.

Meanwhile we Krajina Serbs who were genuinely destroyed by "Croatia" during the 20th century eagerly await an apology (were 20% of the population before WW2, now 4% after NDH and Tudjman/Mesic).

If this was a so called civil war, why was the Serbian president named the very FIRST war criminal in the entire Balkans.

Oh, looks like Serbia was directly involved too.

It isn't a civil ware anymore.

Please, stop picking on the one person who has the decency who level the playing field.

There must be thousands of Serbs who post on here, yet I have only seen Lenard and a few Albanians stand against and tell everyone their side of the story.

Why ridicule them? They are just voicing their opinions in this lovely democratic region.

Milan I'm not sure such a thing is practical or workable.

There are some unintelligent people around here, but you have to rely or hope that most intelligent people realise when one post receives many, many votes and all others are in single figures. Likewise the vanity or immaturity of some posters means that they only vote for their own posts, whereas one after it that is by somebody else completely agreeing is forgotten. With that post you can see the true figure.

Just by looking over a period of time you can tell who does what. I could quite easily reel off names of those that do this regularly, but equally those that don't.

Although we have had disagreements Zoran is one of those that doesn't do this. Over a long period I have noticed this. Ataman also certainly does not do it. I won't bother naming the morons that cast double figure numbers for themselves. They know who they are.

In my own case some 2 weeks ago I had some fool voting down all my posts for a number of days. But hey presto, he has melted away (armchair patriot not really interested in Serbia) and the 'score' is back to normal.

The moral is that none of us should take too much notice of the score.

"What is your point man?
Last I checked, the US and Kosova/o have embassies in their respective countries."
(Kosova-USA)

-- That's fantastic, but that's not what I called you out on. My point is that you once again wrote something that is factually untrue and when pressed on it, you avoided answering and changed the subject.