Deputy PM: Our Kosovo stance is clear

"The stance by the EU to Serbia is either Kosovo recognition or remainig out is (crystal) CLEAR too. "
(PRN, 7 June 2010 11:08)

Yes, sure! The stance of the EU is so extremely clear that 20% of the countries that ARE already EU members refuse to recognize Kosovo. Think about it!

PRN,

Can EU afford to maintain its current course. No!

You want to taste the honey, but you don't see how empty the honey pot is...

Go east or go bankrupt like hungary did two days ago!

"Deputy PM: Our Kosovo stance is clear"

Dear Deputy PM,

The stance by the EU to Serbia is either Kosovo recognition or remainig out is (crystal) CLEAR too.

Can Serbia afford to remain in Ghetto, why the remaining countries of the region such as Albania, Maceodnia, BH and MNG joing the EU???

This shows how much have Serbian politicians prospered in these past 20 years.
Milosevic said tha same thing 20 years ago.

Congratulations to Serbian politicians.

Guys, I don't think PRN is here for any serious discussion. Either he is here to wind you up, or indeed he simply doesn't have the first clue about the situation between Kosovo, Serbia and the EU.

Telling him that 5 EU members don't recognize Kosovo and that as a result, that the recognition of Kosovo by Serbia makes no difference for Serbian EU aspirations, is pointless.

"Guys, I don't think PRN is here for any serious discussion"
Peter Sudyka

Of course not! As soon as he said that Albania was going to join the EU I know he wasn't serious.

PRN - "The stance by the EU to Serbia is either Kosovo recognition or remainig out is (crystal) CLEAR too."
Can you provide some evidence which shows that the EU as an institution has recognised Kosovo

"Can Serbia afford to remain in Ghetto, why the remaining countries of the region such as Albania, Maceodnia, BH and MNG joing the EU???"
You're delusional. Haven't you been reading the news or have you been living in a cave in Turkey - All those countries will be in the ghetto with Serbia. Do you think the EU wants a new group of countries to join that only know how to say "please, can i have some more"? NONE of those countries can stand on it's own two feet. Even worse, the populations seem to think that if they join Europe then all their financial problems will be solved. HELLO, WAKE UP. Why would the EU want to look after more terminally ill patients when it already has enough of its own now.

It's going to be a very nasty shock for people in the Balkans when they realise that the EU doesn't want them to join and that they won't be receiving tens of billions of Euros!

The division in the EU as to whether to recognise Kosovo or not is the perfect excuse for ALL EU states to declare that nobody else in the Balkans shoulod be allowed to join. I just hope the people's of the region have got used to poverty because nothing will change their situation soon, be it Serb, Albanian, Bosnian, etc!

miri

Whether Serbia has to recognize Kosovo in order to join the EU remains to be seen. Most states that recognized Kosovo did so for personal interests. A Seriban recognition will never happen but lets play with the thought and say that should Serbia recognize Kosovo it would do so to join the EU and not because it thought it was the right thing to do. It wouldn't mean better realations between Serbia and Kosovo since the recognition was done under pressure. Out of all those countries that recognized Kosovo how many have an embassy in Kosovo? Kosovo is simply to small to offer anything that any country could need or use. After 11 years of international rule there is still political instability, corruption, crime and lack of minority rights. Earning recognitions will not solve anything on the ground. Earning recognitions under economic or even military pressure would mean that nothing is really solved and that there is potential for a new conflict in the future. Unfortunately albanians believe peace and prosperity can be acheived through threats, intimidation and even violence. I guess you haven't learned anything from Milosevics rule. Albanians and the West are underestemating Serbias resolve when it comes to Kosovo. Kosovo will remain an unsolved hotspot until the albnains and their sponsors realize that true peace can only come if both sides feel like they are equal.

pss

The only real condition for Serbia is cooperation with the Hague War Crimes Tribunal (which is the only reason why Serbia still does not have the SAA signed).

No other countries have had a problem yet, so obviously this is not a prerequisite.

I have found this interesting site with all the conditions that Serbia must adhere to in order to qualify for EU membership:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32008D0213:EN:NOT

I can't see anything here even remotely related to the recognition of Kosovo.

Serbia lost Kosovo with its own brutal policies. It does not matter what the Deputy PM says, when 90% of the people IN Kosovo do not wish to be part of Serbia (and who can blame them), the PRAGMATIC solution is very simple. The leaders of Sebria should concentrate on improving their peoples welfare and economic situations rather than engage in pointless jingoistic rhetoric that will get them nowhere

I would'nt worry too much about the words of the British ambassador. He's completely off key and has conveniently forgotten that a number of EU countries have not recognised Kosovo. Let's remember that the dispute between Serbia and Kosovo's UDI is not one sided. Arguably the Albanians and their UDI triggered the dispute. Serbia has done nothing other than protect her property and her right to exist on her own territory. Anything else is just a distraction from this simple truth.

Telling him that 5 EU members don't recognize Kosovo and that as a result, that the recognition of Kosovo by Serbia makes no difference for Serbian EU aspirations, is pointless.
(Peter Sudyka, 7 June 2010 13:59)
If you are talking about the aspiration of Kosovo towards the EU the 5 countries is significant, however, if you are talking about Serbia's aspirations to the EU the 22 countries that have are even more significant.
While only a few have come out to say that recognition and EU integration are linked the others tend to use the watered down version.
That Serbia must resolve its issues with Kosovo, and that independence is irreversible.

Mr. Delic has based his career on making Serbia join EU. These contradicts completely what he is working on. He better quit and join the "Ministry of Kosovo" if he thinks this way.

To Mr. Sudyka.
Trying to argue with some readers here and rub something in their face is one thing. Believing that Serbia truly can join EU without recognizing K. (explicitly or at least implicitly by developing a dialog with K. institutions) is completely different matter, it's called naivity. By the way I am so proud of polish people, it was one of the first nations to recognize K. almost unanimously.

Oliver is just as is party friend just one with a big mouth but no solutions. What comes here as well is the naivity of thinking that 22 states will disregard the fact that they recognized Kosovo. You can be sure that once you have past the questionnaire that this clear contradiction (joining the EU and keeping the Kosovo policy) will brought completely to light, forcing states, which recognized Kosovo, to refuse Serbia's bid. But even that is to early to say because Serbia even didn't get the SAA, thanks to the fact that the fugitive and war criminal Mladic. It is remarkable to see how blindly Belgrade declaim what it wants without showing the proper means. Repeating the same over and over again will bring you nothing but head shaking. I can also encourage those in Serbia who really want EU membership to read this article, carefully.

http://waz.euobserver.com/887/30219

It is about time that somebody in Belgrade has the guts to speak openly that with that current course nothing will be achieved.

The only real condition for Serbia is cooperation with the Hague War Crimes Tribunal (which is the only reason why Serbia still does not have the SAA signed).

Peter, if you truly believe that I have some Oceanfront property in Serbia to sell you. No one can be so gullible that they believe that after the huge investment in Kosovo and resolving the balkans crisis they are going to admit anyone who has an ongoing conflict. Recognition is not the only option should Serbia come up with something agreeable with everyone, the problem is autonomy is not it for Kosovo nor the majority of the EU. It is up to Serbia to come up with something that would bring people to the table and so far they are not even close, or compormise their position.

“Serbia's strategically committed to the EU accession and this strategic step should not be in any way conditioned by the recognition of Kosovo, since Serbia will never accept that,” Đelić said

Uppppps! How about if the ICJ rules in favour of Kosovo/a proclamation of independence? At least he could have said "we will respect the Court's Opinion".
It would look real although I have have believed in Serbia's political stance approaching the ICJ.

It was purely to gain more time in putting further international Kosovo/a's recognitions on hold.

The stance by the EU to Serbia is either Kosovo recognition or remainig out is (crystal) CLEAR too.

Can Serbia afford to remain in Ghetto, why the remaining countries of the region such as Albania, Maceodnia, BH and MNG joing the EU???
(PRN, 7 June 2010 11:08)

Your running out of propaganda steam. Before the end of this year the SAA will be signed and I don’t know how many times you have to be told that Kosovo is not an issue with Serbia joining the EU before the message sinks into your head. The only Ghetto is Kosovo, but wait I read that the US will not invest in Serbia but the Albanians can ask their allies to invest in Kosovo.

The question here is what EU are you talking about? Will there be an EU at all with now Hungary on the edge. I hear the next to go is a race between Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltic countries followed quickly by Poland and the rest of the eastern EU countries.


Serbia lost Kosovo with its own brutal policies. It does not matter what the Deputy PM says, when 90% of the people IN Kosovo do not wish to be part of Serbia (and who can blame them), the PRAGMATIC solution is very simple. The leaders of Sebria should concentrate on improving their peoples welfare and economic situations rather than engage in pointless jingoistic rhetoric that will get them nowhere
(aronDi, 7 June 2010 20:47

Economic refugees from Albania now claim that they have been in ksoovo for centuries and think the its lost to Serbia. How far have you progressed in the last 11 years of freedom? Get the US to invest and try improve the living conditions od your fellow Albanians.

"Economic refugees from Albania now claim that they have been in ksoovo for centuries and think the its lost to Serbia. How far have you progressed in the last 11 years of freedom? Get
the US to invest and try improve the living conditions od your fellow Albanians.
(sj, 8 June 2010 03:28)"

I sincerely have no idea what you are talking about. If you wish to engage in a historical debate, may I suggest that you go to a history forum and argue with posters there. I merely made a comment regarding the current situation. Frankly, its better for Serbia to move on from this Kosovo dogma and join the EU. Serbia's infrastructure has suffered due to years of isolation. If you seriously believe that jeopardizing EU membership and thus higher living standards are worth over a province that does not wish to be part of Serbia...then...well good luck.

By the way I am so proud of polish people, it was one of the first nations to recognize K. almost unanimously.
(miri, 7 June 2010 17:27)
====================

Don't be. It wasn't the Polish people but their suck up to the US government.
Governments change.

"Deputy PM: Our Kosovo stance is clear"

Dear Deputy PM,

The stance by the EU to Serbia is either Kosovo recognition or remainig out is (crystal) CLEAR too.

Can Serbia afford to remain in Ghetto, why the remaining countries of the region such as Albania, Maceodnia, BH and MNG joing the EU???

"The stance by the EU to Serbia is either Kosovo recognition or remainig out is (crystal) CLEAR too. "
(PRN, 7 June 2010 11:08)

Yes, sure! The stance of the EU is so extremely clear that 20% of the countries that ARE already EU members refuse to recognize Kosovo. Think about it!

Mr. Delic has based his career on making Serbia join EU. These contradicts completely what he is working on. He better quit and join the "Ministry of Kosovo" if he thinks this way.

To Mr. Sudyka.
Trying to argue with some readers here and rub something in their face is one thing. Believing that Serbia truly can join EU without recognizing K. (explicitly or at least implicitly by developing a dialog with K. institutions) is completely different matter, it's called naivity. By the way I am so proud of polish people, it was one of the first nations to recognize K. almost unanimously.

This shows how much have Serbian politicians prospered in these past 20 years.
Milosevic said tha same thing 20 years ago.

Congratulations to Serbian politicians.

Serbia lost Kosovo with its own brutal policies. It does not matter what the Deputy PM says, when 90% of the people IN Kosovo do not wish to be part of Serbia (and who can blame them), the PRAGMATIC solution is very simple. The leaders of Sebria should concentrate on improving their peoples welfare and economic situations rather than engage in pointless jingoistic rhetoric that will get them nowhere

Telling him that 5 EU members don't recognize Kosovo and that as a result, that the recognition of Kosovo by Serbia makes no difference for Serbian EU aspirations, is pointless.
(Peter Sudyka, 7 June 2010 13:59)
If you are talking about the aspiration of Kosovo towards the EU the 5 countries is significant, however, if you are talking about Serbia's aspirations to the EU the 22 countries that have are even more significant.
While only a few have come out to say that recognition and EU integration are linked the others tend to use the watered down version.
That Serbia must resolve its issues with Kosovo, and that independence is irreversible.

PRN,

Can EU afford to maintain its current course. No!

You want to taste the honey, but you don't see how empty the honey pot is...

Go east or go bankrupt like hungary did two days ago!

"Guys, I don't think PRN is here for any serious discussion"
Peter Sudyka

Of course not! As soon as he said that Albania was going to join the EU I know he wasn't serious.

The only real condition for Serbia is cooperation with the Hague War Crimes Tribunal (which is the only reason why Serbia still does not have the SAA signed).

Peter, if you truly believe that I have some Oceanfront property in Serbia to sell you. No one can be so gullible that they believe that after the huge investment in Kosovo and resolving the balkans crisis they are going to admit anyone who has an ongoing conflict. Recognition is not the only option should Serbia come up with something agreeable with everyone, the problem is autonomy is not it for Kosovo nor the majority of the EU. It is up to Serbia to come up with something that would bring people to the table and so far they are not even close, or compormise their position.

Guys, I don't think PRN is here for any serious discussion. Either he is here to wind you up, or indeed he simply doesn't have the first clue about the situation between Kosovo, Serbia and the EU.

Telling him that 5 EU members don't recognize Kosovo and that as a result, that the recognition of Kosovo by Serbia makes no difference for Serbian EU aspirations, is pointless.

Oliver is just as is party friend just one with a big mouth but no solutions. What comes here as well is the naivity of thinking that 22 states will disregard the fact that they recognized Kosovo. You can be sure that once you have past the questionnaire that this clear contradiction (joining the EU and keeping the Kosovo policy) will brought completely to light, forcing states, which recognized Kosovo, to refuse Serbia's bid. But even that is to early to say because Serbia even didn't get the SAA, thanks to the fact that the fugitive and war criminal Mladic. It is remarkable to see how blindly Belgrade declaim what it wants without showing the proper means. Repeating the same over and over again will bring you nothing but head shaking. I can also encourage those in Serbia who really want EU membership to read this article, carefully.

http://waz.euobserver.com/887/30219

It is about time that somebody in Belgrade has the guts to speak openly that with that current course nothing will be achieved.

“Serbia's strategically committed to the EU accession and this strategic step should not be in any way conditioned by the recognition of Kosovo, since Serbia will never accept that,” Đelić said

Uppppps! How about if the ICJ rules in favour of Kosovo/a proclamation of independence? At least he could have said "we will respect the Court's Opinion".
It would look real although I have have believed in Serbia's political stance approaching the ICJ.

It was purely to gain more time in putting further international Kosovo/a's recognitions on hold.

PRN - "The stance by the EU to Serbia is either Kosovo recognition or remainig out is (crystal) CLEAR too."
Can you provide some evidence which shows that the EU as an institution has recognised Kosovo

"Can Serbia afford to remain in Ghetto, why the remaining countries of the region such as Albania, Maceodnia, BH and MNG joing the EU???"
You're delusional. Haven't you been reading the news or have you been living in a cave in Turkey - All those countries will be in the ghetto with Serbia. Do you think the EU wants a new group of countries to join that only know how to say "please, can i have some more"? NONE of those countries can stand on it's own two feet. Even worse, the populations seem to think that if they join Europe then all their financial problems will be solved. HELLO, WAKE UP. Why would the EU want to look after more terminally ill patients when it already has enough of its own now.

It's going to be a very nasty shock for people in the Balkans when they realise that the EU doesn't want them to join and that they won't be receiving tens of billions of Euros!

The division in the EU as to whether to recognise Kosovo or not is the perfect excuse for ALL EU states to declare that nobody else in the Balkans shoulod be allowed to join. I just hope the people's of the region have got used to poverty because nothing will change their situation soon, be it Serb, Albanian, Bosnian, etc!

I would'nt worry too much about the words of the British ambassador. He's completely off key and has conveniently forgotten that a number of EU countries have not recognised Kosovo. Let's remember that the dispute between Serbia and Kosovo's UDI is not one sided. Arguably the Albanians and their UDI triggered the dispute. Serbia has done nothing other than protect her property and her right to exist on her own territory. Anything else is just a distraction from this simple truth.

pss

The only real condition for Serbia is cooperation with the Hague War Crimes Tribunal (which is the only reason why Serbia still does not have the SAA signed).

No other countries have had a problem yet, so obviously this is not a prerequisite.

I have found this interesting site with all the conditions that Serbia must adhere to in order to qualify for EU membership:

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32008D0213:EN:NOT

I can't see anything here even remotely related to the recognition of Kosovo.

miri

Whether Serbia has to recognize Kosovo in order to join the EU remains to be seen. Most states that recognized Kosovo did so for personal interests. A Seriban recognition will never happen but lets play with the thought and say that should Serbia recognize Kosovo it would do so to join the EU and not because it thought it was the right thing to do. It wouldn't mean better realations between Serbia and Kosovo since the recognition was done under pressure. Out of all those countries that recognized Kosovo how many have an embassy in Kosovo? Kosovo is simply to small to offer anything that any country could need or use. After 11 years of international rule there is still political instability, corruption, crime and lack of minority rights. Earning recognitions will not solve anything on the ground. Earning recognitions under economic or even military pressure would mean that nothing is really solved and that there is potential for a new conflict in the future. Unfortunately albanians believe peace and prosperity can be acheived through threats, intimidation and even violence. I guess you haven't learned anything from Milosevics rule. Albanians and the West are underestemating Serbias resolve when it comes to Kosovo. Kosovo will remain an unsolved hotspot until the albnains and their sponsors realize that true peace can only come if both sides feel like they are equal.

By the way I am so proud of polish people, it was one of the first nations to recognize K. almost unanimously.
(miri, 7 June 2010 17:27)
====================

Don't be. It wasn't the Polish people but their suck up to the US government.
Governments change.

The stance by the EU to Serbia is either Kosovo recognition or remainig out is (crystal) CLEAR too.

Can Serbia afford to remain in Ghetto, why the remaining countries of the region such as Albania, Maceodnia, BH and MNG joing the EU???
(PRN, 7 June 2010 11:08)

Your running out of propaganda steam. Before the end of this year the SAA will be signed and I don’t know how many times you have to be told that Kosovo is not an issue with Serbia joining the EU before the message sinks into your head. The only Ghetto is Kosovo, but wait I read that the US will not invest in Serbia but the Albanians can ask their allies to invest in Kosovo.

The question here is what EU are you talking about? Will there be an EU at all with now Hungary on the edge. I hear the next to go is a race between Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltic countries followed quickly by Poland and the rest of the eastern EU countries.


Serbia lost Kosovo with its own brutal policies. It does not matter what the Deputy PM says, when 90% of the people IN Kosovo do not wish to be part of Serbia (and who can blame them), the PRAGMATIC solution is very simple. The leaders of Sebria should concentrate on improving their peoples welfare and economic situations rather than engage in pointless jingoistic rhetoric that will get them nowhere
(aronDi, 7 June 2010 20:47

Economic refugees from Albania now claim that they have been in ksoovo for centuries and think the its lost to Serbia. How far have you progressed in the last 11 years of freedom? Get the US to invest and try improve the living conditions od your fellow Albanians.

"Economic refugees from Albania now claim that they have been in ksoovo for centuries and think the its lost to Serbia. How far have you progressed in the last 11 years of freedom? Get
the US to invest and try improve the living conditions od your fellow Albanians.
(sj, 8 June 2010 03:28)"

I sincerely have no idea what you are talking about. If you wish to engage in a historical debate, may I suggest that you go to a history forum and argue with posters there. I merely made a comment regarding the current situation. Frankly, its better for Serbia to move on from this Kosovo dogma and join the EU. Serbia's infrastructure has suffered due to years of isolation. If you seriously believe that jeopardizing EU membership and thus higher living standards are worth over a province that does not wish to be part of Serbia...then...well good luck.