Recommendations for “Kosovo’s EU path”

Wow, talk about a one-sided approach. How about this EP mouthpiece demand that Kosovo Albanians stop persecuting Kosovo's minorities, so they can peacefully move around on their own land without armed escorts. Talk of visa liberalization for "Kosova" is a slap to civilized nations - it is rewarding criminals for their ethnic-cleansing crimes.

I agree Winston.

"“We are working on getting the remaining five (EU) members to recognize Kosovo's independence,” she was quoted."

That is not her role, and she should not be so blatantly biased against international law and the status neutral position of the EU and UN.

(winston, 1 June 2010 13:55)

What about Albanians in north? Can they travel without armed escort? Can they live without US KFOR protecting their villages? NO! Take a trip and you too will see what really takes place, Albanians need more protection in north then Serbs in south, while in north only the criminals from both sides seems to get along.

Wow, what can I say? The current borders are fixed. OK, but what about the borders of Serbia?

So borders CAN change? So then why Ossetia is a problem?

Stop the double standards?

And Kosovo in the EU? Don't make me laugh please!

I agree Winston.

"“We are working on getting the remaining five (EU) members to recognize Kosovo's independence,” she was quoted."

That is not her role, and she should not be so blatantly biased against international law and the status neutral position of the EU and UN.

It seems Ms. Lunacek is not only putting the cart before the horse, she's assuming there's a cart to begin with.

It's somewhat difficult to take her recommendations seriously when a number of obstacles she chooses to ignore remain:

1. A "European" perspective, while commendable, is still some distance away for a region that, according to her own words, remains in a "ghetto" that ironically seems to be of its own doing. Issues surrounding "corruption" and "organized crime" are two critical factors that needs to be tackled before turning one's gaze to the Serbian sectors and it doesn’t take a genius to see that no one outside Pristina’s grasp will want to join its institutions as long as it continues to remain dysfunctional. Again, no one seems able to address what the K-Serbs can get from Pristina that that can’t get from Belgrade. My advice to Ms. Lunacek is to recommend Pristina put out its own fires before it engages in more Lebensraum where it has never exerted authority before. She might want to start with Žac.

2. She seems to be of the mind that the ICJ will rule in Pristina's definitive favor. This notion that 5 EU states still need to be "convinced" to recognize give away her agenda. There is no guarantee the ICJ will rule in Pristina's favor to the point it emerges completely victorious. That she calls for a "united stance" on Kosovo-UNMIK means that one currently does not exist and if one could exist, it would have happened already. She also seems to completely ignore the fact that Belgrade has successfully raised enough doubt in the international community on the West’s lopsided approach to Kosovo’s future; a future that revealed itself to be incompatible with what a number of armchair diplomats envisioned 3 – 5 years ago.

3. The same worn out mantra of "irreversible" borders and "no new negotiations" reveals her inability at finding solutions beyond what has already failed. That Kosovo's "borders" are arbitrary and reflect no historical or cultural legacy is one thing. That the current situation only recently proved yesterday Pristina's inability at exerting sovereignty over what it regards as its own territory is another.

She noted her disappointment that the EC didn't spend enough time on Kosovo last week. Given her predilections in favoring a particular outcome while ignoring all the substantial obstacles in its way, I fear she's going to be disappointed a lot.

# I have said all along that the main reason for the recognition of Kosovo was to isolate it and send all those criminal albanians causing trouble all over Europe back to "prison camp Kosova".

Ulrike Lunacek is entitled to her opinion. She is famous for making outrageous comment and she is also openly lesbian.
[link]

Just like her sexuall orientation her views too are in a minority.
(Mikael C, 1 June 2010 15:32)>

let's try to count the offenses here:

1: "prison camp kosova"

2: "those criminal albanians all over europe"

3: she's openly lesbian (thus obviously weird, lower class, slanted)

as i've said many times, i'm really not interested in engaging or arguing w/these particular posters.

but that such libels are so ubiquitous here, that i do take issue with.

that the "moderates" (so called) on the other side NEVER take such people to task -- that i do take issue with. bigtime.

that "everyone says bad things" -- "that's just the way it is..." all sides are equally guilty... that's a lie. 99% of these statements come from the other side, and are pushed as "normal."

along with all of the personal attacks, that were flying like the wind from the other side yesterday, i wonder why.

and on and on and on.

oh yes, i still haven't gotten answers to my questions: when is the latest mass grave of albanians in serbia to be opened? (Date!!) -- and when is mladic going to be in the hague?? (date!)

thank you.

roberto
frisco

And then after that's all arranged and sorted out I am going to build a really big time machine and go and have tea and cakes with Cleopatra.

Is here name spelt correctly, its definately luna...something. Not sure its Lunacek though.

Talk of visa liberalization for "Kosova" is a slap to civilized nations - it is rewarding criminals for their ethnic-cleansing crimes.
(winston, 1 June 2010 13:55)
Funny, I have always thought that about the sped up integration of Serbia toward the EU.
Incidentally, Ban Ki Moon has stated officially that freedom of movement is only a problem for the minority Albanian population in the north of Kosovo.

I have said all along that the main reason for the recognition of Kosovo was to isolate it and send all those criminal albanians causing trouble all over Europe back to "prison camp Kosova".

Ulrike Lunacek is entitled to her opinion. She is famous for making outrageous comment and she is also openly lesbian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrike_Lunacek

Just like her sexuall orientation her views too are in a minority.

"along with all of the personal attacks, that were flying like the wind from the other side yesterday, i wonder why." (roberto)

-- You mean questions regarding your empiricism and objectivity? :)

roberto
frisco

You and people like you are the reason we have Republika Srpska.

roberto

Am I correct in assuming that anyone who does not share your worldview, opinions and ideology should be moderated by the mods?

I cannot understand how on one hand, you are constantly badgering Serbs and Serbia ON A SERBIAN ONLINE NEWSPAPER, yet when someone raises the slightest criticism of Albanians, jews, gays, lesbians, Martians or whoever you consider alright in your books, you suddenly have this great judgement to pass on all of us non-enlightened post-communist beings.

Here's a little bit of advice, take your liberal, neo-con propaganda to a site where people will appreciate it, because us conservative, stubborn Eastern Euro types ain't interested in it (except Albanians who seem to believe that whatever Americans say, think or do is the way to go).

Thanks.

I think the only recommendation one can give Kosovo for any form of EU perspective at this stage is the recognition from Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus, or otherwise, what is even the point of talking about it?

Just like her sexuall orientation her views too are in a minority.
(Mikael C, 1 June 2010 15:32)

I don't care less about her sexual habits, but reading what she wrote: if someone waddles like a quasi-liberal green-peacenik and quacks like a quasi-liberal green-peacenik than that person is... (na, who?)

At one point these quasi-liberal green-peaceniks can be deadly. Luckily, this time they got the worst of what they did cook.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=67482

But if they turn really violent - their bombing is always the most humanitarian and most democratic bombing of all bombings possible.

let's try to count the offenses here:
1: "prison camp kosova"

2: "those criminal albanians all over europe"

3: she's openly lesbian (thus obviously weird, lower class, slanted)

(roberto, 1 June 2010 19:06)

Well truth is sometimes very painful,some may even feel it offensive.

I find it hard to believe that anyone is seriously contemplating granting the membership to Kosovo Albanians
in EU.Kosovo Albanians are still in primitive state of development, they are still engage in distraction,almost on daily bases,of Serbian Orthodox Monasteries in that region

let's try to count the offenses here:
1: "prison camp kosova"

2: "those criminal albanians all over europe"

3: she's openly lesbian (thus obviously weird, lower class, slanted)

(roberto)
-
Why the offense Roberto? This is the truth, the harsh harsh truth.

Ulrike Lunacek is entitled to her opinion. She is famous for making outrageous comment and she is also openly lesbian.
[link]

Just like her sexuall orientation her views too are in a minority.
(Mikael C, 1 June 2010 15:32)

Mikael,

You are correct as usual, but did you know that Ulrike is best "friends" with Serbian singer, Marija Serifovic.

You are correct as usual, but did you know that Ulrike is best "friends" with Serbian singer, Marija Serifovic.
(Billie Jean, 1 June 2010 19:32)
=======================
If that's true the Maria should get better friends.

Just goes to show that sex trumps everything.

Pejoni,

US KFOR is in MNBG-E, not the north. Stop the dramatization and misinformation.

i still haven't gotten answers to my questions: when is the latest mass grave of albanians in serbia to be opened? (Date!!) -- and when is mladic going to be in the hague?? (date!)

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 1 June 2010 19:06)

And you Roberto, still refuse to answer some of the questions I have asked you..

I'll ask again, but I however doubt that you have the guts to answer.

Do you think that the pilots that murdered all the innocent people on Varvarin most and in Surdulica during the Nato bombings should be put to trial for all the people that they killed?

Recommendations for “Kosovo’s EU perspective.
--
Thank you very much Lunacek

"when someone raises the slightest criticism of Albanians, jews, gays, lesbians, Martians or whoever you consider alright in your books"

"because us conservative, stubborn Eastern Euro types "

(Peter Sudyka, 2 June 2010 08:42)

Peter, you’re saying that it’s OK in robertos’s books when someone criticises Albanians, Jews etc??!! One has to be way too distracted in making personal attacks to post such inarticulate comments. I’m assuming you meant ‘it’s NOT alright in his books’
The modern world does not consider homophobic, xenophobic comments as ‘a slight criticism’. You are free to label your camp here as ‘conservative, stubborn Eastern Euro types’ but that is not a legitimate excuse to disregard the distinction between the two.

BH_NYC

You misunderstood what I wrote, when I was talking about those groups of people, I was refering specifically to people whom he considers alright in his books, I was not refering to his criticism as being alright in his books.

Anyway, what difference does it make? The guy is not up for debate, rather he is only interested in blurting out his opinion in order to be seen and heard, without ever backing his arguments up, instead, he rather relies on some kind of opinion that his thinking is right and that anything slightly deviant from this is wrong, which I consider typical troll tactics and should probably not reply to his outburts anymore.

HOLD ON A SECOND!
How can a province of a country i.e. Kosovo, expect to join the EU as a country when almost two thirds of the United Nations members do NOT recognise it.
No province, region or country has ever joined the EU without FULL UN membership and backing.

MB,Ireland

Wow, talk about a one-sided approach. How about this EP mouthpiece demand that Kosovo Albanians stop persecuting Kosovo's minorities, so they can peacefully move around on their own land without armed escorts. Talk of visa liberalization for "Kosova" is a slap to civilized nations - it is rewarding criminals for their ethnic-cleansing crimes.

I agree Winston.

"“We are working on getting the remaining five (EU) members to recognize Kosovo's independence,” she was quoted."

That is not her role, and she should not be so blatantly biased against international law and the status neutral position of the EU and UN.

I have said all along that the main reason for the recognition of Kosovo was to isolate it and send all those criminal albanians causing trouble all over Europe back to "prison camp Kosova".

Ulrike Lunacek is entitled to her opinion. She is famous for making outrageous comment and she is also openly lesbian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulrike_Lunacek

Just like her sexuall orientation her views too are in a minority.

Wow, what can I say? The current borders are fixed. OK, but what about the borders of Serbia?

So borders CAN change? So then why Ossetia is a problem?

Stop the double standards?

And Kosovo in the EU? Don't make me laugh please!

I agree Winston.

"“We are working on getting the remaining five (EU) members to recognize Kosovo's independence,” she was quoted."

That is not her role, and she should not be so blatantly biased against international law and the status neutral position of the EU and UN.

(winston, 1 June 2010 13:55)

What about Albanians in north? Can they travel without armed escort? Can they live without US KFOR protecting their villages? NO! Take a trip and you too will see what really takes place, Albanians need more protection in north then Serbs in south, while in north only the criminals from both sides seems to get along.

Talk of visa liberalization for "Kosova" is a slap to civilized nations - it is rewarding criminals for their ethnic-cleansing crimes.
(winston, 1 June 2010 13:55)
Funny, I have always thought that about the sped up integration of Serbia toward the EU.
Incidentally, Ban Ki Moon has stated officially that freedom of movement is only a problem for the minority Albanian population in the north of Kosovo.

# I have said all along that the main reason for the recognition of Kosovo was to isolate it and send all those criminal albanians causing trouble all over Europe back to "prison camp Kosova".

Ulrike Lunacek is entitled to her opinion. She is famous for making outrageous comment and she is also openly lesbian.
[link]

Just like her sexuall orientation her views too are in a minority.
(Mikael C, 1 June 2010 15:32)>

let's try to count the offenses here:

1: "prison camp kosova"

2: "those criminal albanians all over europe"

3: she's openly lesbian (thus obviously weird, lower class, slanted)

as i've said many times, i'm really not interested in engaging or arguing w/these particular posters.

but that such libels are so ubiquitous here, that i do take issue with.

that the "moderates" (so called) on the other side NEVER take such people to task -- that i do take issue with. bigtime.

that "everyone says bad things" -- "that's just the way it is..." all sides are equally guilty... that's a lie. 99% of these statements come from the other side, and are pushed as "normal."

along with all of the personal attacks, that were flying like the wind from the other side yesterday, i wonder why.

and on and on and on.

oh yes, i still haven't gotten answers to my questions: when is the latest mass grave of albanians in serbia to be opened? (Date!!) -- and when is mladic going to be in the hague?? (date!)

thank you.

roberto
frisco

And then after that's all arranged and sorted out I am going to build a really big time machine and go and have tea and cakes with Cleopatra.

Is here name spelt correctly, its definately luna...something. Not sure its Lunacek though.

It seems Ms. Lunacek is not only putting the cart before the horse, she's assuming there's a cart to begin with.

It's somewhat difficult to take her recommendations seriously when a number of obstacles she chooses to ignore remain:

1. A "European" perspective, while commendable, is still some distance away for a region that, according to her own words, remains in a "ghetto" that ironically seems to be of its own doing. Issues surrounding "corruption" and "organized crime" are two critical factors that needs to be tackled before turning one's gaze to the Serbian sectors and it doesn’t take a genius to see that no one outside Pristina’s grasp will want to join its institutions as long as it continues to remain dysfunctional. Again, no one seems able to address what the K-Serbs can get from Pristina that that can’t get from Belgrade. My advice to Ms. Lunacek is to recommend Pristina put out its own fires before it engages in more Lebensraum where it has never exerted authority before. She might want to start with Žac.

2. She seems to be of the mind that the ICJ will rule in Pristina's definitive favor. This notion that 5 EU states still need to be "convinced" to recognize give away her agenda. There is no guarantee the ICJ will rule in Pristina's favor to the point it emerges completely victorious. That she calls for a "united stance" on Kosovo-UNMIK means that one currently does not exist and if one could exist, it would have happened already. She also seems to completely ignore the fact that Belgrade has successfully raised enough doubt in the international community on the West’s lopsided approach to Kosovo’s future; a future that revealed itself to be incompatible with what a number of armchair diplomats envisioned 3 – 5 years ago.

3. The same worn out mantra of "irreversible" borders and "no new negotiations" reveals her inability at finding solutions beyond what has already failed. That Kosovo's "borders" are arbitrary and reflect no historical or cultural legacy is one thing. That the current situation only recently proved yesterday Pristina's inability at exerting sovereignty over what it regards as its own territory is another.

She noted her disappointment that the EC didn't spend enough time on Kosovo last week. Given her predilections in favoring a particular outcome while ignoring all the substantial obstacles in its way, I fear she's going to be disappointed a lot.

I think the only recommendation one can give Kosovo for any form of EU perspective at this stage is the recognition from Spain, Romania, Greece, Slovakia and Cyprus, or otherwise, what is even the point of talking about it?

Ulrike Lunacek is entitled to her opinion. She is famous for making outrageous comment and she is also openly lesbian.
[link]

Just like her sexuall orientation her views too are in a minority.
(Mikael C, 1 June 2010 15:32)

Mikael,

You are correct as usual, but did you know that Ulrike is best "friends" with Serbian singer, Marija Serifovic.

Just like her sexuall orientation her views too are in a minority.
(Mikael C, 1 June 2010 15:32)

I don't care less about her sexual habits, but reading what she wrote: if someone waddles like a quasi-liberal green-peacenik and quacks like a quasi-liberal green-peacenik than that person is... (na, who?)

At one point these quasi-liberal green-peaceniks can be deadly. Luckily, this time they got the worst of what they did cook.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=67482

But if they turn really violent - their bombing is always the most humanitarian and most democratic bombing of all bombings possible.

Recommendations for “Kosovo’s EU perspective.
--
Thank you very much Lunacek

"along with all of the personal attacks, that were flying like the wind from the other side yesterday, i wonder why." (roberto)

-- You mean questions regarding your empiricism and objectivity? :)

let's try to count the offenses here:
1: "prison camp kosova"

2: "those criminal albanians all over europe"

3: she's openly lesbian (thus obviously weird, lower class, slanted)

(roberto, 1 June 2010 19:06)

Well truth is sometimes very painful,some may even feel it offensive.

roberto

Am I correct in assuming that anyone who does not share your worldview, opinions and ideology should be moderated by the mods?

I cannot understand how on one hand, you are constantly badgering Serbs and Serbia ON A SERBIAN ONLINE NEWSPAPER, yet when someone raises the slightest criticism of Albanians, jews, gays, lesbians, Martians or whoever you consider alright in your books, you suddenly have this great judgement to pass on all of us non-enlightened post-communist beings.

Here's a little bit of advice, take your liberal, neo-con propaganda to a site where people will appreciate it, because us conservative, stubborn Eastern Euro types ain't interested in it (except Albanians who seem to believe that whatever Americans say, think or do is the way to go).

Thanks.

I find it hard to believe that anyone is seriously contemplating granting the membership to Kosovo Albanians
in EU.Kosovo Albanians are still in primitive state of development, they are still engage in distraction,almost on daily bases,of Serbian Orthodox Monasteries in that region

roberto
frisco

You and people like you are the reason we have Republika Srpska.

let's try to count the offenses here:
1: "prison camp kosova"

2: "those criminal albanians all over europe"

3: she's openly lesbian (thus obviously weird, lower class, slanted)

(roberto)
-
Why the offense Roberto? This is the truth, the harsh harsh truth.

You are correct as usual, but did you know that Ulrike is best "friends" with Serbian singer, Marija Serifovic.
(Billie Jean, 1 June 2010 19:32)
=======================
If that's true the Maria should get better friends.

Just goes to show that sex trumps everything.

Pejoni,

US KFOR is in MNBG-E, not the north. Stop the dramatization and misinformation.

"when someone raises the slightest criticism of Albanians, jews, gays, lesbians, Martians or whoever you consider alright in your books"

"because us conservative, stubborn Eastern Euro types "

(Peter Sudyka, 2 June 2010 08:42)

Peter, you’re saying that it’s OK in robertos’s books when someone criticises Albanians, Jews etc??!! One has to be way too distracted in making personal attacks to post such inarticulate comments. I’m assuming you meant ‘it’s NOT alright in his books’
The modern world does not consider homophobic, xenophobic comments as ‘a slight criticism’. You are free to label your camp here as ‘conservative, stubborn Eastern Euro types’ but that is not a legitimate excuse to disregard the distinction between the two.

i still haven't gotten answers to my questions: when is the latest mass grave of albanians in serbia to be opened? (Date!!) -- and when is mladic going to be in the hague?? (date!)

thank you.

roberto
frisco
(roberto, 1 June 2010 19:06)

And you Roberto, still refuse to answer some of the questions I have asked you..

I'll ask again, but I however doubt that you have the guts to answer.

Do you think that the pilots that murdered all the innocent people on Varvarin most and in Surdulica during the Nato bombings should be put to trial for all the people that they killed?

BH_NYC

You misunderstood what I wrote, when I was talking about those groups of people, I was refering specifically to people whom he considers alright in his books, I was not refering to his criticism as being alright in his books.

Anyway, what difference does it make? The guy is not up for debate, rather he is only interested in blurting out his opinion in order to be seen and heard, without ever backing his arguments up, instead, he rather relies on some kind of opinion that his thinking is right and that anything slightly deviant from this is wrong, which I consider typical troll tactics and should probably not reply to his outburts anymore.

HOLD ON A SECOND!
How can a province of a country i.e. Kosovo, expect to join the EU as a country when almost two thirds of the United Nations members do NOT recognise it.
No province, region or country has ever joined the EU without FULL UN membership and backing.

MB,Ireland