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ICJ opinion on Kosovo in July?

International sources in Priština said that the International Court of Justice would give its opinion on the legality of Kosovo’s independence on July 22.

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Danilo

pre 13 godina

sorry. Zarko, not Zoran.

I was referring to this remark you made to him:

"Please try to fool someone else with this Serb pretense."

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Danilo said:

"As soon as someone on here (usually a Serb), voices an opinion you disagree with, you accuse them of not being Serbian. You've done it with me, you did it with Zoran in this thread."
=======================

Can you please point to where I said that? I would never accuse Zoran of not being a Serb. I know he is a Serb and I actually agree with his opinions.
So please point out where I did that.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

"How can you possibly use such ridiculous words as someone is more Serbian than someone else?"


And yet, you do this repeatedly. This is exactly what I'm accusing you of.

As soon as someone on here (usually a Serb), voices an opinion you disagree with, you accuse them of not being Serbian. You've done it with me, you did it with Zoran in this thread.

"How would you even know the level of passion a person has? "

what does passion have anything to do with anything?

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Fact is Zoran more likely is "more Serbian" than you are or ever will be, you not actually living here.
(Danilo, 31 May 2010 18:09)
=========================

Danilo, do you know how ridiculous you sound? How can you possibly use such ridiculous words as someone is more Serbian than someone else? How would you even know the level of passion a person has?
Without Serbs outside Serbia, Serbia would not have achieved as much.
Never underestimate the contribution Serbs all over the world make to Serbia.

Also, please don't speak on someone else's behalf. Perhaps you might make Zoran feel uncomfortable if you try to turn this into a contest between us. Ask him if you can use him in this way.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

Peggy,

Weren't you accusing me of being Albanian a few months ago?

You know, it might be a bit of a surprise to you, not living in Serbia and all, that there actually exists a plurality of opinion in Serbia on various topics.

Fact is Zoran more likely is "more Serbian" than you are or ever will be, you not actually living here.

Jovan

pre 13 godina

our dear k-albanian friends do not seem to be very confident in regard to the ICJ-opinion, given that they even feel the need to pretend serbian pro-"kosovah" comments.

cheapish, actually.

but also amusing. =)

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Same story like before,Serbs used to play with Albanian head,before it worked but not anymore baby.
(Arben_Quebec)
-
Kosovo will remain a hole in Europe inless you get Serbia's support. And how do you think this will happen ?

Arben_Quebec

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)
Same story like before,Serbs used to play with Albanian head,before it worked but not anymore baby.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

I am one of many normal Serbs who has realized long ago that Kosovo is lost forever. Let us move forward and do whatever and how ever long it takes to join the EU and make up all the ground we've lost economically over the last twenty years. We are sick and tired of living at close to poverty levels. The average Serb deserves better, let us marginalize the few but vocal extremist nationalists among us.
(Zarko, 29 May 2010 20:45)
=================
toke is that you?

Sure, give the elites whatever whey want as long as they let Serbia join EU. Why? EU the goose which lays golden eggs?

So give Kosovo today, Vojvodina tomorrow etc. It is not going to stop you know.

Please try to fool someone else with this Serb pretense.

sj

pre 13 godina

If the ICJ does “rules” in favor of the Albanians in Kosovo, then how does that help them? EU it’s trying to return 200 000 Albanians to that province. Where are the jobs coming from? Kosovo has little to nothing worth exploiting and investment would not be attracted to that region so you have a status quo, but as a recognized country the locals expect great things to happen.
In view that the EU is trying to return ‘refugees’ to Kosovo what are the chances of Kosovo getting free movement in the EU? Little to nothing; otherwise why return these people because most would pack up and leave.
The only place where jobs maybe available will be Serbia as industry expands and work places become more prevalent. Considering that Albanians qualifications are not recognized in Serbia this is the first problem. Second, the Serbian people are not too receptive to Albanians and I know this because a group from Bujanovac went to Kragujevac looking for work in the new car plant, but no luck, in fact they were lucky to leave in one piece. Then what are the future prospects for Albanians from Kosovo?
Regardless of whether the ICJ rules in favor of the Albanians without direct negotiations with Belgrade they will “die” a slow death in Kosovo and the EU/US don’t care because Camp Bondsteel is the only important thing for them. Once it becomes useless they are out and the Albanians will be on their own, but they will never be allowed to join with Albania. The so called Kosovars are living in a fool’s paradise; when the time comes your current politicians will sell you out and leave for greener pastures while the rest will have to fend for themselves.

Skiff

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)


I will save this statement for future referance, hopefully until July22.

Albert Martinez

pre 13 godina

I doubt the west would like to return to pre UDI tensions where talks may just stall time. Everyone knows that Albanians will never agree to less than independence and Serbs will never accept an Albanian independence. The only thing that may come out of all this is Serbia may gain the entire North, while Albanians may get few willages in southern Serbia. Both may claim victory after that, although I see it as horrible loss for Albanians, whose so called country may end up just few miles bigger than West Bank. In spite of these speculations, I belive that to truly have some peace and move on, the risk may be worth for both...

Tidbit

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)
While cleaning crews do become privy to some inside information, most the time it is not reliable and subject to change at the emptying of a waste basket.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

"Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff,"

Jason, is that you? lol
Too bad that Serbia has only these "sources" to rely on ;)
(toke, 29 May 2010 19:54)

toke,
don't waste your time with this guy,
he probably ment to say that right after ICJ "opinion" another 20 countries will recognize Kosova/o.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"I personally hope that the ICJ will rule in Kosovo's favour." (PCM)

-- In all likelihood, the ICJ will rule in no one's favor but come down the middle. For me, that's perfectly ok at is will all but legitimize Belgrade's pragmatic approach to finding a solution to Kosovo by maximizing control over the Serb areas and all but writing off the Albanian areas. At the same time, it will put a severe dent in Pristina's authoritarian and irresponible policies against the Serb municipalities - particularly those south of the Ibar.

Once talks resume, we can finally and peacefully cantonize this unruly thing. Pristina's overestimation of its strength and legitimacy sorely needs to be checked.

Zarko

pre 13 godina

I am one of many normal Serbs who has realized long ago that Kosovo is lost forever. Let us move forward and do whatever and how ever long it takes to join the EU and make up all the ground we've lost economically over the last twenty years. We are sick and tired of living at close to poverty levels. The average Serb deserves better, let us marginalize the few but vocal extremist nationalists among us.

Jarina

pre 13 godina

I think that Serbian authorities are hoping that the International court will say that Independence of Kosova was legal, moreover it is possible that the whole story was a tactical game from the start initiated from the west, in agreement with Tadic. The court will say the Independence of Kosova is legal, and Serbian authorities will say "What we can do, we did all we can"

toke

pre 13 godina

"Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff,"

Jason, is that you? lol
Too bad that Serbia has only these "sources" to rely on ;)

Top

pre 13 godina

"The dailies reminded that Priština “expects that the opinion of the court will be in Kosovo’s favor, and Priština the number of countries recognizing Kosovo’s independence to increase after the court’s opinion has been given.”"

You can expect anything. And hope dies last, they say.

Here's my expectations: The ruling will stress the general principle of territorial integrity, and at the same time it will mention the "special case" of Kosovo. Both sides will interpret it as a "victory", and nothing will change at all in the end.

Staff

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.

Joe

pre 13 godina

"But it was clear that the Serbian leadership needed to pass this issue to someone who is capable of finally clearing reality since Belgrade is stuck in the past and a failed myth".
JohnC

Well said.

commentator

pre 13 godina

I think once the ruling comes down, it will be time for new negotiations.

I'd say KFOR will also need to rotate out and be replaced by detachments from the WHATFOR mission on the Croat/Slovene border ... JohnBoy can explain.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

"Priština expects that the opinion of the court will be in Kosovo’s favor"

Sure they do! That's why they were against it in the first place and that's why the US/UK alliance have threatened Serbia to take the illegal UDI to court.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/02/kosovo-independence-icj-ruling

JohnC.

pre 13 godina

Better now than later. This took anyway way to much time in which much more important things might have been solved. But it was clear that the Serbian leadership needed to pass this issue to someone who is capable of finally clearing reality since Belgrade is stuck in the past and a failed myth for which already to many died, uselessly.

End it, now!

highduke

pre 13 godina

Albanians can have another 6 or 7 months to get used to having to return to the table and negotiate their peaceful RE-INTEGRATION WITH SERBIA by 2012 when USA will still be a socialist wreck, EU will still depend on RUS for energy, KFOR will be gone, S. Stream will be operational, Serbian army fully modernized and Russian Army will bring troops to protect their interests. Lets make it a PEACEFUL RE-INTEGRATION with your fatherland Serbia, dear Albanians with your KPS pistols, rifles & jeeps

highduke

pre 13 godina

Albanians can have another 6 or 7 months to get used to having to return to the table and negotiate their peaceful RE-INTEGRATION WITH SERBIA by 2012 when USA will still be a socialist wreck, EU will still depend on RUS for energy, KFOR will be gone, S. Stream will be operational, Serbian army fully modernized and Russian Army will bring troops to protect their interests. Lets make it a PEACEFUL RE-INTEGRATION with your fatherland Serbia, dear Albanians with your KPS pistols, rifles & jeeps

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

"Priština expects that the opinion of the court will be in Kosovo’s favor"

Sure they do! That's why they were against it in the first place and that's why the US/UK alliance have threatened Serbia to take the illegal UDI to court.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/02/kosovo-independence-icj-ruling

JohnC.

pre 13 godina

Better now than later. This took anyway way to much time in which much more important things might have been solved. But it was clear that the Serbian leadership needed to pass this issue to someone who is capable of finally clearing reality since Belgrade is stuck in the past and a failed myth for which already to many died, uselessly.

End it, now!

Joe

pre 13 godina

"But it was clear that the Serbian leadership needed to pass this issue to someone who is capable of finally clearing reality since Belgrade is stuck in the past and a failed myth".
JohnC

Well said.

Staff

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.

toke

pre 13 godina

"Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff,"

Jason, is that you? lol
Too bad that Serbia has only these "sources" to rely on ;)

Zarko

pre 13 godina

I am one of many normal Serbs who has realized long ago that Kosovo is lost forever. Let us move forward and do whatever and how ever long it takes to join the EU and make up all the ground we've lost economically over the last twenty years. We are sick and tired of living at close to poverty levels. The average Serb deserves better, let us marginalize the few but vocal extremist nationalists among us.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"I personally hope that the ICJ will rule in Kosovo's favour." (PCM)

-- In all likelihood, the ICJ will rule in no one's favor but come down the middle. For me, that's perfectly ok at is will all but legitimize Belgrade's pragmatic approach to finding a solution to Kosovo by maximizing control over the Serb areas and all but writing off the Albanian areas. At the same time, it will put a severe dent in Pristina's authoritarian and irresponible policies against the Serb municipalities - particularly those south of the Ibar.

Once talks resume, we can finally and peacefully cantonize this unruly thing. Pristina's overestimation of its strength and legitimacy sorely needs to be checked.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

I am one of many normal Serbs who has realized long ago that Kosovo is lost forever. Let us move forward and do whatever and how ever long it takes to join the EU and make up all the ground we've lost economically over the last twenty years. We are sick and tired of living at close to poverty levels. The average Serb deserves better, let us marginalize the few but vocal extremist nationalists among us.
(Zarko, 29 May 2010 20:45)
=================
toke is that you?

Sure, give the elites whatever whey want as long as they let Serbia join EU. Why? EU the goose which lays golden eggs?

So give Kosovo today, Vojvodina tomorrow etc. It is not going to stop you know.

Please try to fool someone else with this Serb pretense.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

"Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff,"

Jason, is that you? lol
Too bad that Serbia has only these "sources" to rely on ;)
(toke, 29 May 2010 19:54)

toke,
don't waste your time with this guy,
he probably ment to say that right after ICJ "opinion" another 20 countries will recognize Kosova/o.

Top

pre 13 godina

"The dailies reminded that Priština “expects that the opinion of the court will be in Kosovo’s favor, and Priština the number of countries recognizing Kosovo’s independence to increase after the court’s opinion has been given.”"

You can expect anything. And hope dies last, they say.

Here's my expectations: The ruling will stress the general principle of territorial integrity, and at the same time it will mention the "special case" of Kosovo. Both sides will interpret it as a "victory", and nothing will change at all in the end.

commentator

pre 13 godina

I think once the ruling comes down, it will be time for new negotiations.

I'd say KFOR will also need to rotate out and be replaced by detachments from the WHATFOR mission on the Croat/Slovene border ... JohnBoy can explain.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Same story like before,Serbs used to play with Albanian head,before it worked but not anymore baby.
(Arben_Quebec)
-
Kosovo will remain a hole in Europe inless you get Serbia's support. And how do you think this will happen ?

Jarina

pre 13 godina

I think that Serbian authorities are hoping that the International court will say that Independence of Kosova was legal, moreover it is possible that the whole story was a tactical game from the start initiated from the west, in agreement with Tadic. The court will say the Independence of Kosova is legal, and Serbian authorities will say "What we can do, we did all we can"

Arben_Quebec

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)
Same story like before,Serbs used to play with Albanian head,before it worked but not anymore baby.

sj

pre 13 godina

If the ICJ does “rules” in favor of the Albanians in Kosovo, then how does that help them? EU it’s trying to return 200 000 Albanians to that province. Where are the jobs coming from? Kosovo has little to nothing worth exploiting and investment would not be attracted to that region so you have a status quo, but as a recognized country the locals expect great things to happen.
In view that the EU is trying to return ‘refugees’ to Kosovo what are the chances of Kosovo getting free movement in the EU? Little to nothing; otherwise why return these people because most would pack up and leave.
The only place where jobs maybe available will be Serbia as industry expands and work places become more prevalent. Considering that Albanians qualifications are not recognized in Serbia this is the first problem. Second, the Serbian people are not too receptive to Albanians and I know this because a group from Bujanovac went to Kragujevac looking for work in the new car plant, but no luck, in fact they were lucky to leave in one piece. Then what are the future prospects for Albanians from Kosovo?
Regardless of whether the ICJ rules in favor of the Albanians without direct negotiations with Belgrade they will “die” a slow death in Kosovo and the EU/US don’t care because Camp Bondsteel is the only important thing for them. Once it becomes useless they are out and the Albanians will be on their own, but they will never be allowed to join with Albania. The so called Kosovars are living in a fool’s paradise; when the time comes your current politicians will sell you out and leave for greener pastures while the rest will have to fend for themselves.

Jovan

pre 13 godina

our dear k-albanian friends do not seem to be very confident in regard to the ICJ-opinion, given that they even feel the need to pretend serbian pro-"kosovah" comments.

cheapish, actually.

but also amusing. =)

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Fact is Zoran more likely is "more Serbian" than you are or ever will be, you not actually living here.
(Danilo, 31 May 2010 18:09)
=========================

Danilo, do you know how ridiculous you sound? How can you possibly use such ridiculous words as someone is more Serbian than someone else? How would you even know the level of passion a person has?
Without Serbs outside Serbia, Serbia would not have achieved as much.
Never underestimate the contribution Serbs all over the world make to Serbia.

Also, please don't speak on someone else's behalf. Perhaps you might make Zoran feel uncomfortable if you try to turn this into a contest between us. Ask him if you can use him in this way.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Danilo said:

"As soon as someone on here (usually a Serb), voices an opinion you disagree with, you accuse them of not being Serbian. You've done it with me, you did it with Zoran in this thread."
=======================

Can you please point to where I said that? I would never accuse Zoran of not being a Serb. I know he is a Serb and I actually agree with his opinions.
So please point out where I did that.

Skiff

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)


I will save this statement for future referance, hopefully until July22.

Tidbit

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)
While cleaning crews do become privy to some inside information, most the time it is not reliable and subject to change at the emptying of a waste basket.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

Peggy,

Weren't you accusing me of being Albanian a few months ago?

You know, it might be a bit of a surprise to you, not living in Serbia and all, that there actually exists a plurality of opinion in Serbia on various topics.

Fact is Zoran more likely is "more Serbian" than you are or ever will be, you not actually living here.

Albert Martinez

pre 13 godina

I doubt the west would like to return to pre UDI tensions where talks may just stall time. Everyone knows that Albanians will never agree to less than independence and Serbs will never accept an Albanian independence. The only thing that may come out of all this is Serbia may gain the entire North, while Albanians may get few willages in southern Serbia. Both may claim victory after that, although I see it as horrible loss for Albanians, whose so called country may end up just few miles bigger than West Bank. In spite of these speculations, I belive that to truly have some peace and move on, the risk may be worth for both...

Danilo

pre 13 godina

"How can you possibly use such ridiculous words as someone is more Serbian than someone else?"


And yet, you do this repeatedly. This is exactly what I'm accusing you of.

As soon as someone on here (usually a Serb), voices an opinion you disagree with, you accuse them of not being Serbian. You've done it with me, you did it with Zoran in this thread.

"How would you even know the level of passion a person has? "

what does passion have anything to do with anything?

Danilo

pre 13 godina

sorry. Zarko, not Zoran.

I was referring to this remark you made to him:

"Please try to fool someone else with this Serb pretense."

highduke

pre 13 godina

Albanians can have another 6 or 7 months to get used to having to return to the table and negotiate their peaceful RE-INTEGRATION WITH SERBIA by 2012 when USA will still be a socialist wreck, EU will still depend on RUS for energy, KFOR will be gone, S. Stream will be operational, Serbian army fully modernized and Russian Army will bring troops to protect their interests. Lets make it a PEACEFUL RE-INTEGRATION with your fatherland Serbia, dear Albanians with your KPS pistols, rifles & jeeps

JohnC.

pre 13 godina

Better now than later. This took anyway way to much time in which much more important things might have been solved. But it was clear that the Serbian leadership needed to pass this issue to someone who is capable of finally clearing reality since Belgrade is stuck in the past and a failed myth for which already to many died, uselessly.

End it, now!

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

"Priština expects that the opinion of the court will be in Kosovo’s favor"

Sure they do! That's why they were against it in the first place and that's why the US/UK alliance have threatened Serbia to take the illegal UDI to court.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/feb/02/kosovo-independence-icj-ruling

Staff

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.

toke

pre 13 godina

"Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff,"

Jason, is that you? lol
Too bad that Serbia has only these "sources" to rely on ;)

Zarko

pre 13 godina

I am one of many normal Serbs who has realized long ago that Kosovo is lost forever. Let us move forward and do whatever and how ever long it takes to join the EU and make up all the ground we've lost economically over the last twenty years. We are sick and tired of living at close to poverty levels. The average Serb deserves better, let us marginalize the few but vocal extremist nationalists among us.

Kosova-USA

pre 13 godina

"Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff,"

Jason, is that you? lol
Too bad that Serbia has only these "sources" to rely on ;)
(toke, 29 May 2010 19:54)

toke,
don't waste your time with this guy,
he probably ment to say that right after ICJ "opinion" another 20 countries will recognize Kosova/o.

Jarina

pre 13 godina

I think that Serbian authorities are hoping that the International court will say that Independence of Kosova was legal, moreover it is possible that the whole story was a tactical game from the start initiated from the west, in agreement with Tadic. The court will say the Independence of Kosova is legal, and Serbian authorities will say "What we can do, we did all we can"

Joe

pre 13 godina

"But it was clear that the Serbian leadership needed to pass this issue to someone who is capable of finally clearing reality since Belgrade is stuck in the past and a failed myth".
JohnC

Well said.

commentator

pre 13 godina

I think once the ruling comes down, it will be time for new negotiations.

I'd say KFOR will also need to rotate out and be replaced by detachments from the WHATFOR mission on the Croat/Slovene border ... JohnBoy can explain.

Mike

pre 13 godina

"I personally hope that the ICJ will rule in Kosovo's favour." (PCM)

-- In all likelihood, the ICJ will rule in no one's favor but come down the middle. For me, that's perfectly ok at is will all but legitimize Belgrade's pragmatic approach to finding a solution to Kosovo by maximizing control over the Serb areas and all but writing off the Albanian areas. At the same time, it will put a severe dent in Pristina's authoritarian and irresponible policies against the Serb municipalities - particularly those south of the Ibar.

Once talks resume, we can finally and peacefully cantonize this unruly thing. Pristina's overestimation of its strength and legitimacy sorely needs to be checked.

Arben_Quebec

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)
Same story like before,Serbs used to play with Albanian head,before it worked but not anymore baby.

sj

pre 13 godina

If the ICJ does “rules” in favor of the Albanians in Kosovo, then how does that help them? EU it’s trying to return 200 000 Albanians to that province. Where are the jobs coming from? Kosovo has little to nothing worth exploiting and investment would not be attracted to that region so you have a status quo, but as a recognized country the locals expect great things to happen.
In view that the EU is trying to return ‘refugees’ to Kosovo what are the chances of Kosovo getting free movement in the EU? Little to nothing; otherwise why return these people because most would pack up and leave.
The only place where jobs maybe available will be Serbia as industry expands and work places become more prevalent. Considering that Albanians qualifications are not recognized in Serbia this is the first problem. Second, the Serbian people are not too receptive to Albanians and I know this because a group from Bujanovac went to Kragujevac looking for work in the new car plant, but no luck, in fact they were lucky to leave in one piece. Then what are the future prospects for Albanians from Kosovo?
Regardless of whether the ICJ rules in favor of the Albanians without direct negotiations with Belgrade they will “die” a slow death in Kosovo and the EU/US don’t care because Camp Bondsteel is the only important thing for them. Once it becomes useless they are out and the Albanians will be on their own, but they will never be allowed to join with Albania. The so called Kosovars are living in a fool’s paradise; when the time comes your current politicians will sell you out and leave for greener pastures while the rest will have to fend for themselves.

Albert Martinez

pre 13 godina

I doubt the west would like to return to pre UDI tensions where talks may just stall time. Everyone knows that Albanians will never agree to less than independence and Serbs will never accept an Albanian independence. The only thing that may come out of all this is Serbia may gain the entire North, while Albanians may get few willages in southern Serbia. Both may claim victory after that, although I see it as horrible loss for Albanians, whose so called country may end up just few miles bigger than West Bank. In spite of these speculations, I belive that to truly have some peace and move on, the risk may be worth for both...

Peggy

pre 13 godina

I am one of many normal Serbs who has realized long ago that Kosovo is lost forever. Let us move forward and do whatever and how ever long it takes to join the EU and make up all the ground we've lost economically over the last twenty years. We are sick and tired of living at close to poverty levels. The average Serb deserves better, let us marginalize the few but vocal extremist nationalists among us.
(Zarko, 29 May 2010 20:45)
=================
toke is that you?

Sure, give the elites whatever whey want as long as they let Serbia join EU. Why? EU the goose which lays golden eggs?

So give Kosovo today, Vojvodina tomorrow etc. It is not going to stop you know.

Please try to fool someone else with this Serb pretense.

trudsaam

pre 13 godina

Same story like before,Serbs used to play with Albanian head,before it worked but not anymore baby.
(Arben_Quebec)
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Kosovo will remain a hole in Europe inless you get Serbia's support. And how do you think this will happen ?

Top

pre 13 godina

"The dailies reminded that Priština “expects that the opinion of the court will be in Kosovo’s favor, and Priština the number of countries recognizing Kosovo’s independence to increase after the court’s opinion has been given.”"

You can expect anything. And hope dies last, they say.

Here's my expectations: The ruling will stress the general principle of territorial integrity, and at the same time it will mention the "special case" of Kosovo. Both sides will interpret it as a "victory", and nothing will change at all in the end.

Skiff

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)


I will save this statement for future referance, hopefully until July22.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

Peggy,

Weren't you accusing me of being Albanian a few months ago?

You know, it might be a bit of a surprise to you, not living in Serbia and all, that there actually exists a plurality of opinion in Serbia on various topics.

Fact is Zoran more likely is "more Serbian" than you are or ever will be, you not actually living here.

Tidbit

pre 13 godina

Yes ! Things will be sorted out and Kosovo will have to go back to the negotiation table. Also, I know from sources inside the top EU that they know that 5 countries will withdraw their recognitions right away and another 15 in a month or two. Thats a fact, wait and see.
(Staff, 29 May 2010 17:31)
While cleaning crews do become privy to some inside information, most the time it is not reliable and subject to change at the emptying of a waste basket.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

"How can you possibly use such ridiculous words as someone is more Serbian than someone else?"


And yet, you do this repeatedly. This is exactly what I'm accusing you of.

As soon as someone on here (usually a Serb), voices an opinion you disagree with, you accuse them of not being Serbian. You've done it with me, you did it with Zoran in this thread.

"How would you even know the level of passion a person has? "

what does passion have anything to do with anything?

Jovan

pre 13 godina

our dear k-albanian friends do not seem to be very confident in regard to the ICJ-opinion, given that they even feel the need to pretend serbian pro-"kosovah" comments.

cheapish, actually.

but also amusing. =)

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Fact is Zoran more likely is "more Serbian" than you are or ever will be, you not actually living here.
(Danilo, 31 May 2010 18:09)
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Danilo, do you know how ridiculous you sound? How can you possibly use such ridiculous words as someone is more Serbian than someone else? How would you even know the level of passion a person has?
Without Serbs outside Serbia, Serbia would not have achieved as much.
Never underestimate the contribution Serbs all over the world make to Serbia.

Also, please don't speak on someone else's behalf. Perhaps you might make Zoran feel uncomfortable if you try to turn this into a contest between us. Ask him if you can use him in this way.

Peggy

pre 13 godina

Danilo said:

"As soon as someone on here (usually a Serb), voices an opinion you disagree with, you accuse them of not being Serbian. You've done it with me, you did it with Zoran in this thread."
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Can you please point to where I said that? I would never accuse Zoran of not being a Serb. I know he is a Serb and I actually agree with his opinions.
So please point out where I did that.

Danilo

pre 13 godina

sorry. Zarko, not Zoran.

I was referring to this remark you made to him:

"Please try to fool someone else with this Serb pretense."