Jeremić confirms participation in conference

ie. Kosovo will not be represented as a state. If this means that everyone goes without a label then so be it. I think that it will be pretty obvious which attendees represent countries and which are a UN protectorate! Just read Resolution 1244 and the UN and EU statements that they are status neutral.
(kate, 21 May 2010 14:29)

Hi Kate,

Why you as 'English' are fooling yourself intentionally.

1. If Kosovo was not a state they would not invite it. Why they dont invite Vojvodina?

2. Remember Serbia as a country and with its constitution and territorial integrity is recognised by about 120 countries

Whereas Kosovo as a country and with its constitution and territorial integrity is recognised by about 69 countries.

Every new recognition mean one less for Serbia. VERY SOON more countries will recognise Kosovo as a country and with its ORIGINAL constitution and territorial integrity THAN they will Serbia.

WAIT AND SEE

Just read Resolution 1244 and the UN and EU statements that they are status neutral.
(kate, 21 May 2010 14:29)

Obsolete UN resolutions, which btw. can be interpreted in many ways, are the last thing people in this conference will read. It is more important that all former SFRY entities are sitting together and discussing important topics, and when I say important then I also mean important and not some rear-saving-eternal-myth-hate-propaganda which never led anywhere but to war, death and destruction. This conference is hopefully the first step into the 21th century for the Western Balkans.

However, if you still thirst to debate about finished topics then feel free to explain why Vojvodina is not part of that conference. Reality can be sometimes very simple.

ie. Kosovo will not be represented as a state. If this means that everyone goes without a label then so be it. I think that it will be pretty obvious which attendees represent countries and which are a UN protectorate! Just read Resolution 1244 and the UN and EU statements that they are status neutral.

Important note: notice the change in wording.
Now it is "in the presence of UNMIK" before it was "represented by UNMIK" or as "UNMIK/Kosovo".
What is that phrase I like, oh yes "Baby steps"
Notice never has it been suggested as Kosovo/Serbia.

ie. Kosovo will not be represented as a state. If this means that everyone goes without a label then so be it. I think that it will be pretty obvious which attendees represent countries and which are a UN protectorate! Just read Resolution 1244 and the UN and EU statements that they are status neutral.
(kate, 21 May 2010 14:29)

Obvious to who, to you? As far as US, EU( EU it's not status neutral when 81% of it is pro independence), Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia are concerned, just to name a few participants, Kosova is a state.
Anyway, if you don't see the lies in Jeremic's daily statements, then I think you have a serious problem, regardless of what your feelings towards the K-question are.

Kosovo will be represented as a state. UNMIK representatives will be present however they explicitly stated they will not be speaking for the Kosovo institutions. Kosovo will represent it's self. Since I don't see Republika Srpska or Vojvodina also invited to this meeting then obviously Kosovo is being invited and regarded as an equal member of this community and since all other members invited are states then so is Kosovo. Don't be fooled by Jeremic's smoke screen about having UNMIK there. EULEX will be there, so will the EU. Their presence doesn't diminish Kosovo's status in any way shape or form. I'm excited about this meeting, hopefully they will announce a firm timeline for all of these countries to join the EU. Good luck to all.

"Obvious to who, to you? As far as US, EU( EU it's not status neutral when 81% of it is pro independence), Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia are concerned, just to name a few participants, Kosova is a state.
Anyway, if you don't see the lies in Jeremic's daily statements, then I think you have a serious problem, regardless of what your feelings towards the K-question are.
(miri, 21 May 2010 15:19) "

On the contrary, the EU has an organization has repeatedly stated that it is status neutral, no matter how many members within it has recognized Pristina. See for example http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=03&dd=31&nav_id=66172

And Kosovo can never enter the UN -- the ultimate body of recognized sovereign states -- however much this must rankle in you (although you will probably claim that you don't care) -- this is the geopolitical reality.

"Important note: notice the change in wording.
Now it is "in the presence of UNMIK" before it was "represented by UNMIK" or as "UNMIK/Kosovo".
What is that phrase I like, oh yes "Baby steps"
Notice never has it been suggested as Kosovo/Serbia.
(pss, 21 May 2010 14:13) "

pss,

You conveniently left out the phrase "Kosovo Albanian officials will be represented in Sarajevo “in line with UN Resolution 1244"." We all know what 1244 is all about, don't we, and so don't try clutching at straws on that one with another verbal twist.

In any case, the rest of that sentence read "and in (UN mission in Kosovo) UNMIK's presence, as has been the case in all previousl meetings”, said Jeremić." So really nothing has changed from the past. Anyone who is not all muddled up or clutching at straws can see this plain and clear.

"1. If Kosovo was not a state they would not invite it. Why they dont invite Vojvodina? "

Kosovo is not an undisputed state. Otherwise why the need to use the Gymnich formula? Otherwise why is it still locked out of the UN?

"2. Remember Serbia as a country and with its constitution and territorial integrity is recognised by about 120 countries

Whereas Kosovo as a country and with its constitution and territorial integrity is recognised by about 69 countries.

Every new recognition mean one less for Serbia. VERY SOON more countries will recognise Kosovo as a country and with its ORIGINAL constitution and territorial integrity THAN they will Serbia.

WAIT AND SEE
(PRN, 21 May 2010 15:05) "

I will take it that by "VERY SOON", you mean, say, around 6 months? So in half a year's time, we are to expect more countries to recognize "Kosova" than Serbia!

I will remind you of this post of yours in November. Indeed we shall "WAIT AND SEE"!

I see my fellow citizens are still as confused as ever. Firstly, Vojvodina is not under UN administration and its status is not in dispute. Tell my why UNMIK is there if not for UNSC1244? Why do we use the Gymnich format if "Kosova" is a state? Let me enlighten you... the only way we can have all attendees on the same level is if all legitimate states drop their symbols and status for the sake of "Kosova". Then we are on the same "non-state" level.

This is a complete embarrassement for the EU and Balkans. EU policy has reduced the region to a bunch of Mr. Nobodies who do nothing but pump their chests and repeat nonsense.

This format is fine for status meetings but it is a complete failure at the regional level. The EU/US has failed the Balkans.

This should be fun. Let's see how the k-albos try to break the Gymnich rules. Will they sneak their flag into the room in their underwear? Will they paint "kosovo" on their faces? I think Vuk should play the Hirohito game with them - whenever they speak, he should turn to Zannier for Zannier to translate. They might as well play games - like I said before, this conference is 21 years too late. I wonder if Vuk has the balls to remind the americanos of that fact.

Anyone who is not all muddled up or clutching at straws can see this plain and clear.
(lowe, 21 May 2010 14:56)
Funny you mention this speaking of others. Notice what you said as previous meetings meaning all the speeches and fist banging and rhetoric and this meeting is the same as the one held by Slovenia that was unacceptable to Serbia. On this one no one else changed positions, only Serbia.
I think you are finding that those straws are getting scarce lately.
In line with 1244 what does that mean?? If you get past what you consider the "magical line" it means Kosovo representing themselves-authorities transferred to the democratically elected govt by UNMIK.
By the way the "magical phrase" is standard for most resolutions and was not placed in 1244 for a specific reason.

Yes, I'm curious, too, what this conference might be like, especially if the attendents will behave like adults.

is Thaci going to put a Kosovo flag or sign in front of himself? Is Jeremic going to leave the room when Thaci starts speaking?

lowe, i dont blame you for trying to connect the EU to countries :D food for you, happy?
Countrys are what matters! where is the Eu when Kosovo deals with its neighbours (obviously not the threatning ones)?
And for UN, keep it, another stage were dictators are awared and cry wolfs are paid attention too. But that ICJ will get you :D

"lowe, i dont blame you for trying to connect the EU to countries :D food for you, happy?
Countrys are what matters! where is the Eu when Kosovo deals with its neighbours (obviously not the threatning ones)?
And for UN, keep it, another stage were dictators are awared and cry wolfs are paid attention too. But that ICJ will get you :D
(din2@9, 21 May 2010 17:09) "

Frankly I don't know what you mean by "connecting" the EU to countries. Sure, Kosovo does deal with its neighbours .... you guys were suspected to be involved in the recent arms caches found in Macedonia. Who's next? Montenegro?

You claim to be happy to be outside the UN. Good. They are in no hurry to admit you anyway, if ever.

"Funny you mention this speaking of others. Notice what you said as previous meetings meaning all the speeches and fist banging and rhetoric and this meeting is the same as the one held by Slovenia that was unacceptable to Serbia. On this one no one else changed positions, only Serbia.
I think you are finding that those straws are getting scarce lately.
In line with 1244 what does that mean?? If you get past what you consider the "magical line" it means Kosovo representing themselves-authorities transferred to the democratically elected govt by UNMIK.
By the way the "magical phrase" is standard for most resolutions and was not placed in 1244 for a specific reason.
(pss, 21 May 2010 18:34) "

When did I talked about "fist banging" and "rhetoric" etc at the Slovenia meeting? I find it utterly amazing that you professed to know what I wrote even better than myself. Can you show me where I wrote those things that you alleged? In any case that Slovenia meeting did fail, which both Spain is keen to avoid a repeat of at the coming Sarajevo one.

What fantasic "magical phrase" regarding 1244 are you spouting now? 1244 recognizes Kosovo as part of Serbia -- plain and simple. Nothing magical about that.

Seems to me you are now resorting to creating confusion because you have run out of straws to clutch!

Seems to me you are now resorting to creating confusion because you have run out of straws to clutch!
(lowe, 21 May 2010 22:50)
I did make a grammatical error. I meant that you mentioned previous meetings. The next was supposed to be anew sentence of my reflection on your comment.
The magical phrase as I say for all you banner wavers for 1244, that you think the phrase is a guarantee that Kosovo will forever be a part of Serbia. Just like in the fables where they rub the magic lamp and reality ceases to exist. The point is it is a common phrase in resolutions and was simply a statement of the situation at the time, not any type of guarantee for the future.
You can tell the desperation in most of the proSerb comments as reality is sinking in. Kosovo will never be under Serbian control again, as far as UN membership, I do not expect it soon but someday, in any event the important part is reality, Serbia has no direct control over Kosovo.

"Kosovo Albanian officials will be represented in Sarajevo “in line with UN Resolution 1244 and in (UN mission in Kosovo) UNMIK's presence, as has been the case in all previousl meetings”, said Jeremić.
-
How much more clear than this be ?Poor Vuk, needs to repeat himself over and over again.

Will the Serbo-albs finally come to senses once this meeting is finally over and done with?

"I did make a grammatical error. I meant that you mentioned previous meetings. The next was supposed to be anew sentence of my reflection on your comment.
The magical phrase as I say for all you banner wavers for 1244, that you think the phrase is a guarantee that Kosovo will forever be a part of Serbia. Just like in the fables where they rub the magic lamp and reality ceases to exist. The point is it is a common phrase in resolutions and was simply a statement of the situation at the time, not any type of guarantee for the future.
You can tell the desperation in most of the proSerb comments as reality is sinking in. Kosovo will never be under Serbian control again, as far as UN membership, I do not expect it soon but someday, in any event the important part is reality, Serbia has no direct control over Kosovo.
(pss, 22 May 2010 14:23) "

So now you are trying to reinterpret 1244! I rest my case about your desperation to clutch at straws, and now even the straws do not exist!

1244 does indeed recognize Belgrade's sovereignty. And until it is repealed, it continues to be valid. Which in turn invalidates Kosovo's UDI. Why else do you think the West, especially the US, is so eager to have 1244 repealed, but failed?

Let’s say Kosovo does get that recognition, but where are the Albanians going to find work? Don’t fool yourselves that industry is going to appear in Kosovo – it has not done so in Albania so why should it happen in Kosovo. There is nothing in Kosovo and those that think there is coal or oil etc., forget it because it would cost too much to extract that resource.
After the new car manufacturing plant opened in Kragujevac several Albanians from Bujanovac went to seek work. The hostility towards these people was incredible and naturally no work.
Now the EU has made no secret of the fact it is looking at ways to return 200 000 Albanian refugees to Kosovo. At the same time the Albanians contributing to this forum see EU membership soon, but the return of these refugees totally contradicts this idea. On the one hand the EU want a return of these people, but at the same time the Albanians see the EU giving them free movement in Europe. Someone or some people are deluding themselves here.

The only place the Albanians can seek work will be in Serbia. The EU will NEVER allow Kosovo to join with Albania – they do not want a large Islamic state in its doorstep, they already have Turkey and I think my great, great grandchild will not see Turkey joining the EU.
Now how are the Albanians going to overcome this dilemma? It reminds me of little kids with their faces pressed on the window of a candy store, but are not allowed in. It truly is going to be an even larger prison that currently exists.

"And I guess you are not interpreting 1244??
Notice all the comments about wanting to remove 1244 have been by Serbian politicians saying that the west has plans. You have not seen official statements from the US or others nor any action.
It is one thing to be desperate but to be so gullible too.
(pss, 23 May 2010 22:18) "

I am interpreting 1244 as it was meant to be. You are the one who is REinterpreting it. If you had read my posts more carefully, you would not be making more and more groundless accusations.

At the end of the day, 1244 remains valid. And it recognizes Belgrade's soevereignty over Kosovo. It is YOU who are both desperate and gulllible enough to believe that this can be legally circumvented!

Welcome to Sarajevo everybody! Let's try to promote peace and reconciliation between the people's of this scarred region of the world.

So now you are trying to reinterpret 1244! I rest my case about your desperation to clutch at straws, and now even the straws do not exist!

1244 does indeed recognize Belgrade's sovereignty. And until it is repealed, it continues to be valid. Which in turn invalidates Kosovo's UDI. Why else do you think the West, especially the US, is so eager to have 1244 repealed, but failed?
(lowe, 23 May 2010 01:52)

And I guess you are not interpreting 1244??
Notice all the comments about wanting to remove 1244 have been by Serbian politicians saying that the west has plans. You have not seen official statements from the US or others nor any action.
It is one thing to be desperate but to be so gullible too.

ie. Kosovo will not be represented as a state. If this means that everyone goes without a label then so be it. I think that it will be pretty obvious which attendees represent countries and which are a UN protectorate! Just read Resolution 1244 and the UN and EU statements that they are status neutral.

ie. Kosovo will not be represented as a state. If this means that everyone goes without a label then so be it. I think that it will be pretty obvious which attendees represent countries and which are a UN protectorate! Just read Resolution 1244 and the UN and EU statements that they are status neutral.
(kate, 21 May 2010 14:29)

Hi Kate,

Why you as 'English' are fooling yourself intentionally.

1. If Kosovo was not a state they would not invite it. Why they dont invite Vojvodina?

2. Remember Serbia as a country and with its constitution and territorial integrity is recognised by about 120 countries

Whereas Kosovo as a country and with its constitution and territorial integrity is recognised by about 69 countries.

Every new recognition mean one less for Serbia. VERY SOON more countries will recognise Kosovo as a country and with its ORIGINAL constitution and territorial integrity THAN they will Serbia.

WAIT AND SEE

"1. If Kosovo was not a state they would not invite it. Why they dont invite Vojvodina? "

Kosovo is not an undisputed state. Otherwise why the need to use the Gymnich formula? Otherwise why is it still locked out of the UN?

"2. Remember Serbia as a country and with its constitution and territorial integrity is recognised by about 120 countries

Whereas Kosovo as a country and with its constitution and territorial integrity is recognised by about 69 countries.

Every new recognition mean one less for Serbia. VERY SOON more countries will recognise Kosovo as a country and with its ORIGINAL constitution and territorial integrity THAN they will Serbia.

WAIT AND SEE
(PRN, 21 May 2010 15:05) "

I will take it that by "VERY SOON", you mean, say, around 6 months? So in half a year's time, we are to expect more countries to recognize "Kosova" than Serbia!

I will remind you of this post of yours in November. Indeed we shall "WAIT AND SEE"!

Important note: notice the change in wording.
Now it is "in the presence of UNMIK" before it was "represented by UNMIK" or as "UNMIK/Kosovo".
What is that phrase I like, oh yes "Baby steps"
Notice never has it been suggested as Kosovo/Serbia.

I see my fellow citizens are still as confused as ever. Firstly, Vojvodina is not under UN administration and its status is not in dispute. Tell my why UNMIK is there if not for UNSC1244? Why do we use the Gymnich format if "Kosova" is a state? Let me enlighten you... the only way we can have all attendees on the same level is if all legitimate states drop their symbols and status for the sake of "Kosova". Then we are on the same "non-state" level.

This is a complete embarrassement for the EU and Balkans. EU policy has reduced the region to a bunch of Mr. Nobodies who do nothing but pump their chests and repeat nonsense.

This format is fine for status meetings but it is a complete failure at the regional level. The EU/US has failed the Balkans.

ie. Kosovo will not be represented as a state. If this means that everyone goes without a label then so be it. I think that it will be pretty obvious which attendees represent countries and which are a UN protectorate! Just read Resolution 1244 and the UN and EU statements that they are status neutral.
(kate, 21 May 2010 14:29)

Obvious to who, to you? As far as US, EU( EU it's not status neutral when 81% of it is pro independence), Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia are concerned, just to name a few participants, Kosova is a state.
Anyway, if you don't see the lies in Jeremic's daily statements, then I think you have a serious problem, regardless of what your feelings towards the K-question are.

"Important note: notice the change in wording.
Now it is "in the presence of UNMIK" before it was "represented by UNMIK" or as "UNMIK/Kosovo".
What is that phrase I like, oh yes "Baby steps"
Notice never has it been suggested as Kosovo/Serbia.
(pss, 21 May 2010 14:13) "

pss,

You conveniently left out the phrase "Kosovo Albanian officials will be represented in Sarajevo “in line with UN Resolution 1244"." We all know what 1244 is all about, don't we, and so don't try clutching at straws on that one with another verbal twist.

In any case, the rest of that sentence read "and in (UN mission in Kosovo) UNMIK's presence, as has been the case in all previousl meetings”, said Jeremić." So really nothing has changed from the past. Anyone who is not all muddled up or clutching at straws can see this plain and clear.

"Obvious to who, to you? As far as US, EU( EU it's not status neutral when 81% of it is pro independence), Slovenia, Croatia, Albania, Montenegro, Macedonia are concerned, just to name a few participants, Kosova is a state.
Anyway, if you don't see the lies in Jeremic's daily statements, then I think you have a serious problem, regardless of what your feelings towards the K-question are.
(miri, 21 May 2010 15:19) "

On the contrary, the EU has an organization has repeatedly stated that it is status neutral, no matter how many members within it has recognized Pristina. See for example http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=03&dd=31&nav_id=66172

And Kosovo can never enter the UN -- the ultimate body of recognized sovereign states -- however much this must rankle in you (although you will probably claim that you don't care) -- this is the geopolitical reality.

"Funny you mention this speaking of others. Notice what you said as previous meetings meaning all the speeches and fist banging and rhetoric and this meeting is the same as the one held by Slovenia that was unacceptable to Serbia. On this one no one else changed positions, only Serbia.
I think you are finding that those straws are getting scarce lately.
In line with 1244 what does that mean?? If you get past what you consider the "magical line" it means Kosovo representing themselves-authorities transferred to the democratically elected govt by UNMIK.
By the way the "magical phrase" is standard for most resolutions and was not placed in 1244 for a specific reason.
(pss, 21 May 2010 18:34) "

When did I talked about "fist banging" and "rhetoric" etc at the Slovenia meeting? I find it utterly amazing that you professed to know what I wrote even better than myself. Can you show me where I wrote those things that you alleged? In any case that Slovenia meeting did fail, which both Spain is keen to avoid a repeat of at the coming Sarajevo one.

What fantasic "magical phrase" regarding 1244 are you spouting now? 1244 recognizes Kosovo as part of Serbia -- plain and simple. Nothing magical about that.

Seems to me you are now resorting to creating confusion because you have run out of straws to clutch!

Just read Resolution 1244 and the UN and EU statements that they are status neutral.
(kate, 21 May 2010 14:29)

Obsolete UN resolutions, which btw. can be interpreted in many ways, are the last thing people in this conference will read. It is more important that all former SFRY entities are sitting together and discussing important topics, and when I say important then I also mean important and not some rear-saving-eternal-myth-hate-propaganda which never led anywhere but to war, death and destruction. This conference is hopefully the first step into the 21th century for the Western Balkans.

However, if you still thirst to debate about finished topics then feel free to explain why Vojvodina is not part of that conference. Reality can be sometimes very simple.

This should be fun. Let's see how the k-albos try to break the Gymnich rules. Will they sneak their flag into the room in their underwear? Will they paint "kosovo" on their faces? I think Vuk should play the Hirohito game with them - whenever they speak, he should turn to Zannier for Zannier to translate. They might as well play games - like I said before, this conference is 21 years too late. I wonder if Vuk has the balls to remind the americanos of that fact.

Kosovo will be represented as a state. UNMIK representatives will be present however they explicitly stated they will not be speaking for the Kosovo institutions. Kosovo will represent it's self. Since I don't see Republika Srpska or Vojvodina also invited to this meeting then obviously Kosovo is being invited and regarded as an equal member of this community and since all other members invited are states then so is Kosovo. Don't be fooled by Jeremic's smoke screen about having UNMIK there. EULEX will be there, so will the EU. Their presence doesn't diminish Kosovo's status in any way shape or form. I'm excited about this meeting, hopefully they will announce a firm timeline for all of these countries to join the EU. Good luck to all.

Yes, I'm curious, too, what this conference might be like, especially if the attendents will behave like adults.

is Thaci going to put a Kosovo flag or sign in front of himself? Is Jeremic going to leave the room when Thaci starts speaking?

"lowe, i dont blame you for trying to connect the EU to countries :D food for you, happy?
Countrys are what matters! where is the Eu when Kosovo deals with its neighbours (obviously not the threatning ones)?
And for UN, keep it, another stage were dictators are awared and cry wolfs are paid attention too. But that ICJ will get you :D
(din2@9, 21 May 2010 17:09) "

Frankly I don't know what you mean by "connecting" the EU to countries. Sure, Kosovo does deal with its neighbours .... you guys were suspected to be involved in the recent arms caches found in Macedonia. Who's next? Montenegro?

You claim to be happy to be outside the UN. Good. They are in no hurry to admit you anyway, if ever.

lowe, i dont blame you for trying to connect the EU to countries :D food for you, happy?
Countrys are what matters! where is the Eu when Kosovo deals with its neighbours (obviously not the threatning ones)?
And for UN, keep it, another stage were dictators are awared and cry wolfs are paid attention too. But that ICJ will get you :D

Anyone who is not all muddled up or clutching at straws can see this plain and clear.
(lowe, 21 May 2010 14:56)
Funny you mention this speaking of others. Notice what you said as previous meetings meaning all the speeches and fist banging and rhetoric and this meeting is the same as the one held by Slovenia that was unacceptable to Serbia. On this one no one else changed positions, only Serbia.
I think you are finding that those straws are getting scarce lately.
In line with 1244 what does that mean?? If you get past what you consider the "magical line" it means Kosovo representing themselves-authorities transferred to the democratically elected govt by UNMIK.
By the way the "magical phrase" is standard for most resolutions and was not placed in 1244 for a specific reason.

Seems to me you are now resorting to creating confusion because you have run out of straws to clutch!
(lowe, 21 May 2010 22:50)
I did make a grammatical error. I meant that you mentioned previous meetings. The next was supposed to be anew sentence of my reflection on your comment.
The magical phrase as I say for all you banner wavers for 1244, that you think the phrase is a guarantee that Kosovo will forever be a part of Serbia. Just like in the fables where they rub the magic lamp and reality ceases to exist. The point is it is a common phrase in resolutions and was simply a statement of the situation at the time, not any type of guarantee for the future.
You can tell the desperation in most of the proSerb comments as reality is sinking in. Kosovo will never be under Serbian control again, as far as UN membership, I do not expect it soon but someday, in any event the important part is reality, Serbia has no direct control over Kosovo.

So now you are trying to reinterpret 1244! I rest my case about your desperation to clutch at straws, and now even the straws do not exist!

1244 does indeed recognize Belgrade's sovereignty. And until it is repealed, it continues to be valid. Which in turn invalidates Kosovo's UDI. Why else do you think the West, especially the US, is so eager to have 1244 repealed, but failed?
(lowe, 23 May 2010 01:52)

And I guess you are not interpreting 1244??
Notice all the comments about wanting to remove 1244 have been by Serbian politicians saying that the west has plans. You have not seen official statements from the US or others nor any action.
It is one thing to be desperate but to be so gullible too.

"Kosovo Albanian officials will be represented in Sarajevo “in line with UN Resolution 1244 and in (UN mission in Kosovo) UNMIK's presence, as has been the case in all previousl meetings”, said Jeremić.
-
How much more clear than this be ?Poor Vuk, needs to repeat himself over and over again.

Will the Serbo-albs finally come to senses once this meeting is finally over and done with?

Welcome to Sarajevo everybody! Let's try to promote peace and reconciliation between the people's of this scarred region of the world.

"I did make a grammatical error. I meant that you mentioned previous meetings. The next was supposed to be anew sentence of my reflection on your comment.
The magical phrase as I say for all you banner wavers for 1244, that you think the phrase is a guarantee that Kosovo will forever be a part of Serbia. Just like in the fables where they rub the magic lamp and reality ceases to exist. The point is it is a common phrase in resolutions and was simply a statement of the situation at the time, not any type of guarantee for the future.
You can tell the desperation in most of the proSerb comments as reality is sinking in. Kosovo will never be under Serbian control again, as far as UN membership, I do not expect it soon but someday, in any event the important part is reality, Serbia has no direct control over Kosovo.
(pss, 22 May 2010 14:23) "

So now you are trying to reinterpret 1244! I rest my case about your desperation to clutch at straws, and now even the straws do not exist!

1244 does indeed recognize Belgrade's sovereignty. And until it is repealed, it continues to be valid. Which in turn invalidates Kosovo's UDI. Why else do you think the West, especially the US, is so eager to have 1244 repealed, but failed?

Let’s say Kosovo does get that recognition, but where are the Albanians going to find work? Don’t fool yourselves that industry is going to appear in Kosovo – it has not done so in Albania so why should it happen in Kosovo. There is nothing in Kosovo and those that think there is coal or oil etc., forget it because it would cost too much to extract that resource.
After the new car manufacturing plant opened in Kragujevac several Albanians from Bujanovac went to seek work. The hostility towards these people was incredible and naturally no work.
Now the EU has made no secret of the fact it is looking at ways to return 200 000 Albanian refugees to Kosovo. At the same time the Albanians contributing to this forum see EU membership soon, but the return of these refugees totally contradicts this idea. On the one hand the EU want a return of these people, but at the same time the Albanians see the EU giving them free movement in Europe. Someone or some people are deluding themselves here.

The only place the Albanians can seek work will be in Serbia. The EU will NEVER allow Kosovo to join with Albania – they do not want a large Islamic state in its doorstep, they already have Turkey and I think my great, great grandchild will not see Turkey joining the EU.
Now how are the Albanians going to overcome this dilemma? It reminds me of little kids with their faces pressed on the window of a candy store, but are not allowed in. It truly is going to be an even larger prison that currently exists.

"And I guess you are not interpreting 1244??
Notice all the comments about wanting to remove 1244 have been by Serbian politicians saying that the west has plans. You have not seen official statements from the US or others nor any action.
It is one thing to be desperate but to be so gullible too.
(pss, 23 May 2010 22:18) "

I am interpreting 1244 as it was meant to be. You are the one who is REinterpreting it. If you had read my posts more carefully, you would not be making more and more groundless accusations.

At the end of the day, 1244 remains valid. And it recognizes Belgrade's soevereignty over Kosovo. It is YOU who are both desperate and gulllible enough to believe that this can be legally circumvented!