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Thursday, 20.05.2010.

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Attack on Serb returnees “terrorism”

Ministry for Kosovo State Secretary Oliver Ivanović has condemned <a href="http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-article.php?yyyy=2010&mm=05&dd=20&nav_id=67254" class="text-link" target= "_blank">last night's shooting incident</a> near a Serb returnee camp in Kosovo.

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Denis

pre 13 godina

Explain something! You say that Kosovo and Croatia joined Hitler in order to survive. I guess killing 1 million Serbs by the Croats at Jasenovac was done so to survive? I guess if you would have joined the Americans you would be no more? If you joined nazi Germany to protect yourself from the Serbs why did 5 albanian partizan brigades fight for Yugoslavia, if Serbs at the same time threatened you? You joined Hitler because that was the chance for you to take Kosovo and other parts of Serbia and create greater Albania.

All you have to do is compare Serbia and Albania. Not by what I say or what you claim to be the truth, but how far the countries in question have come based on what western media has to say. I mean you must surely truts the western media, after all they recognized Kosovo.

(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 22:29)

Micahel do you really act as if you don't know?


Of course Albs joined the Germans to incorporate Kosovo back to Albania, this was no secret. Kosovo was awarded to Serbia in 1912 amongst many controvesies and disagreements even from the western countries, and Alb always considered it a grave injustice and a land-grab. I am sure you would have done the same if you were in their shoes.

For all sides in the Balkans, Serbia was perceived as the greatest threat to their identity and existence, not Germany. The fact that Croats went too far in their response does not deny this fact.

The Alb partizan brigades were those run by communists. As communists they had a different agenda from Kosovo nationalists, their priority was to fight Germans and nazism. You never heard of these things happening during WWII in all countries?

As I said before, Serbia enjoyed a slight advantage economically and that is why you got the free visa regime earlier. Of course also to keep you happy due to Kosovo issue. All conditions were met by Albania as well, besides border shut down with Kosovo.

I believe that instead of always focusing on how we have fought or how we hate each other, you rather try to find what Serbs and Albanians can do together beyond the conflict.

This year or the next Albania will get the visa free regime, what then? You will have one less thing to brag about.

This extremist talk that you like and that we see in this article about terrorist and what not surely does not help anyone, especially when your minister is discovering mass graves of Alb in his own country.

If Serbs and Albanians don't find a way to make peace none of them will enjoy the prosperity they want, simple as that.

Michael R.

pre 13 godina

"As Serb military and paramilitary forces swept through Kosovo in the spring of 1999, forcing 800,000 Kosovo Albanians from their homes, and killing more than 10,000, many refugees found shelter in Albania"

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)
(care, 21 May 2010 00:34)

care,

How many Serbs fled Kosova/o when the bombs started falling. You know the answer. According to you, only Albanians fled the bombs, why not any Serbs, they were the same bombs. Everyone knows it was Serb military and paramilitaries that went house to house evicting the Albanians by force. There is no way you can deny this since many decent Serbs witnessed and confirmed it.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)
(care, 21 May 2010 00:34)

C'mon! These bombs were humanitarian.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

combat. Oh yeah, that is not selective history from your part.
(Denis, 20 May 2010 20:32)

All good Denis but still on a scale of 1 t0 10 back in europe we see albania as 1 and serbia as 7, so still way to go....

care

pre 13 godina

"As Serb military and paramilitary forces swept through Kosovo in the spring of 1999, forcing 800,000 Kosovo Albanians from their homes, and killing more than 10,000, many refugees found shelter in Albania"

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Denis

"and an entire economic infrustructure funded by $26 billion of western money."

I would rather the western countries responsible for bombing Serbia pay for the damages then the pocket change we received after.

Explain something! You say that Kosovo and Croatia joined Hitler in order to survive. I guess killing 1 million Serbs by the Croats at Jasenovac was done so to survive? I guess if you would have joined the Americans you would be no more? If you joined nazi Germany to protect yourself from the Serbs why did 5 albanian partizan brigades fight for Yugoslavia, if Serbs at the same time threatened you? You joined Hitler because that was the chance for you to take Kosovo and other parts of Serbia and create greater Albania.

All you have to do is compare Serbia and Albania. Not by what I say or what you claim to be the truth, but how far the countries in question have come based on what western media has to say. I mean you must surely truts the western media, after all they recognized Kosovo.

And I'm sorry to say but Albania and albanians are isolated.

“We Albanians are tired of feeling cut off from the world,” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/europe/24iht-albania.html

Also, you and many like you seem to think albanians are innocent of any crime. Here is something that might make you think twice before you blame everything on the Serbs.

"Uncovering Albania's role in the Kosovo war"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8687186.stm

Aleks

pre 13 godina

Denis is of course right. The Kosovo Albanians would have been much better off in Enver Hoxa's Albania than Tito's SFRY and even better off post 1989 when they also would have been victims of the pyramid scheme that brought down the government in 1997 and the mass looting of weapons took place.

Yes, the Albanians would live in the Balkan version of Switzerland if it wasn't for those pesky Serbs.

BTW, do you know the difference between division and brigades? How many divisions from the Balkans went to fight for Hitler in Russia and how many division did Tito's partizans have? Let us not ask who those from Drenica etc. fought for...

stari

pre 13 godina

hey B92, why put terrorism in quotation marks? it seems that every time a serb (or ally) calls something like it is, you put it in quotes... now when some joe schmoe, who knows nothing about the balkans says something, there are no quotes and it's like it's written in stone. anyone else notice this?

konstantin gregovic

pre 13 godina

RE: Nothing has changed from Tito's Yugoslavia to the so called Eulex Kosovo protectorate.

Serbs have been cleansed under Tito's government by the Albanian Communists in Kosovo since the end of WWII war.

Nothing has changed under Tito's government, or under Eulex, just a different flag supporting the Albanian extremists who still live under "clan" laws which in essence is terrorism at the highest degree.

benzo

pre 13 godina

hey terror works for the k albanians why wouldnt they use ??

but trust me one day "within 5 years" well see k albanians commiting these acts on eulux and UN. kosovo will be partitioned by then and serbia will no longer be in this picture...good luck eulux and usa you broke it now you bought it.

Denis

pre 13 godina

(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 18:08)

Serbia was bombed, but Serbia enjoyed billions of $ in aid and debt forgiveness after bombing and an entire economic infrustructure funded by $26 billion of western money. You know how much was Albania's debt in 2000, some $600 milion. So you do the math.

The wars in Balkans, the sanctions and conflicts hurt not just Serbia, but all the region. Kosovo's GDP from 1989 to 2000 droped by 78% thanks to your policies.

And no you do not enjoy less corruption, indeed the corruption in Kosovo is at a lower level according to latest data, and Albania is in the same level as Serbia, so is the level of crime as well as the drug trafic levels. But of course you are fed all this rubish so that's all u know. This again when Serbia still has $27 billion in debt today while Albania only $4 billion, yet you only live slightly better than Albanians and the gap is closing fast.

Not sure about your ilusion of isolation. Last year Albania was visited for turism by 1.8 milion foreign nationals, way better than Serbia.

What dark chapter of History is WWII? K-Alb sided with Germany for the very right of existence that was threatened by Serbia. Germany had nothing against them, it was the Serbs who had killed, cleansed and slaughtered them for decades ..... try to go back to 1912-1913 conflicts or to infamous memorandums of expulsion that Serbian elite was contemplating in the 30s.... so every sane nation in the world would have joined the Nazis if they were in the position of the Albanians. Croats did, Bosniaks did, all nations threatened by Serbia.

Yet you forget the 5 Albanian partizan brigades that marched from Albania to fight the germans all the way to Sanjzak on foreign soil to help Tito's partizans, and chase the germans from the south. Hundreds of them died in combat. Oh yeah, that is not selective history from your part.

EA

pre 13 godina

"Terrorism"? A wishfull thinking. Or maybe "that is the language the West understand"? Good try but it is just a wishful event.
How about "West interfering in Serbia's internal affairs...when dealing with Kosovo Albanians separatists..." Ohhh we forgot about that.

Let's be serious for once. Serbia must recognise Kosovo/a independent first, talk to Kosovo/a authority as equal partners and stop messing around with the international community.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Denis

Not too long ago Serbia was bombed by the most powerful military alliance in the world. It has been sanctionized and is currently occupied and still we enjoy white schengen, better living standards, less corruption etc. What is Albanias excuse? You haven't had war, sanctions, occupation in how long...?
If either Kosovo or Albania join white schengen any time soon I will travel to Pristina with a Serbian flag on my back and yell "Milosevic rules".
You don't get it do you? Kosovo was recognized to keep you isolated and so that Europe could send back all those drugsmuggling albanians that poisoned Europe with heroin and human trafficking.

You blame Serbias better economy on Tito but the war in Yugoslavia on the Serbs. Boy, you sure know how to pick moments in history to fit your little agenda.

You want to go back in history then don't stop in the 90s. Go back to WW2 and see if you can recall who's side albanians were on. But then again, going back to this dark chapter in albanian history doesn't fit your purpose, now does it?

For once in your lives you should take responsibility for you own lives and stop blaming your missfortunes on others. Hopefully- in 100 years you too can enjoy visa free travel.

lids

pre 13 godina

KFOR and EULEX should seriosly ask Macedonians for help.
They know how to eliminate terrorist elements ..
But beside that,it has never been a better time for Serbs to come back and claim what`s theirs.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Welcome to the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo, where people are beaten or killed for speaking a non-albanian language in public, where non-albanians are forced to live in barbed wire ghettos with no freedom of movement, where night club bouncers are government ministers, where graves are overturned and looted regularly, where churches are torched and destroyed, and last but not least....where the Yanks and Germans are in charge and running this horror show. Coincidence? I think not.

Top

pre 13 godina

There should be KFOR troops present instead of incompetent 24h KPS police partols who are not able or not willing to find the perpetrators.

Denis

pre 13 godina

If parts of Kosovo or Albania ever becomes a part of the civilized world I will eat my shorts. Build a wall around this hell hole and let us have peace and prosperity away from this barbarism. I think most Serbs are willing to sacrifice some areas of Kosovo to once and for all seperate us. I can see why the albanians have not become white schengen members. Who would want them to spread the wings of anarchy to the rest of Europe?
(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 13:10)

You sound like a broken record. Albania this albanians that....

You speak of barbarism yet the vast majority of the convicted criminals in the Balkans are Serbs and Serbian attrocities are some of the most barbaric ones known in Europe in the last decades.

It was K-Alb the only nation of ex-Yugo that seeked for 10 yrs to peacefully resolve the conflict while you always sent the tanks in.

You speak of modern state and civility, as if it wasn't you who slaughtered your very own prime minister in the heart of your country a few yrs ago. Who are you kidding.

You have one advantage over Albania, you are slightly better economically thanks to Tito getting billions from the west, which left you with a better economic infrastructure. But the gap is closing.

This also gave you the upper hand in shengen white visa. Albania is schedule to get it this year, and it didn't get in the first place due technicalities, such as border shut downs, which Albania can't do for K-Alb that easy. So what, Serbia got a shengen white visa a year or two ahead and all of the sudden you became the cradle of civilization.

PRN

pre 13 godina

Most likely Serbs themselves again are doing it. Serbian capability has, and still suprises many, because its is beyond imagination. Anyway,I will not say for sure, so I await the investigations.

Peace

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Penny Pouter

Include just one link to one objective article that would support your rediculous claim that Serbian MUP are atacking their own people in Kosovo. If you do, I will never ever comment on B 92 ever again. Then agian how foolish of me to think albanian criminals are behind these attacks since albanians are all angels and innocent of everything evil.

Penny Pouter

pre 13 godina

Do you realise that if you ever join the EU then such statements would be classed as a crime? Personally I would class such backward thinking as a crime in itself, but unfortunately you can't legislate for stupidity.
(kate, 20 May 2010 13:01)

Kate,

You are assuming that the shooters were Albanian, do you know something others do not, or is just backward thinking which in your mind is a crime.

As you very well know, the MUP, on several occasions, have deviously perpetrated such violence and then blame these crimes on the Albanians. You should take time to read the results of many investigations conducted by Kfor and UNMIK so as to educate yourself as to who is committing these crimes.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

If parts of Kosovo or Albania ever becomes a part of the civilized world I will eat my shorts. Build a wall around this hell hole and let us have peace and prosperity away from this barbarism. I think most Serbs are willing to sacrifice some areas of Kosovo to once and for all seperate us. I can see why the albanians have not become white schengen members. Who would want them to spread the wings of anarchy to the rest of Europe?

Top

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57)"

That's one opinion. Another one is: Albanians belong to Albania, and that the whole Kosovo is a fake state, with only socalled "ministers" and "presidents".

Adam

pre 13 godina

Maybe it is time for any Belgrade official to ask a decisive question. Is the fact that the obstruction of Kosovo in all possible manners not contraproductive for a peaceful future? Even a blind can see that this a retaliation for Serbia's policy towards Kosovo, and I doubt that the problems for Kosovo Serbs will change for as long as Serbia obstructs Kosovo. The skirmishes in Zec but also in the North are just the symptoms.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

I applaud these Serbians for their bravery and standing up to these terrorists. Stand your ground as there are thousands upon thousands of Serbians ready to return.

kate

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia."
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57)

Why bother expanding your mind to learn another language if you are just going to use it for ignorant xenophobic statements like that.

Under international law Kosovo remains part of Serbia, and Serbians have a complete right to be there. They also have the right like everyone else of all ethnicities to live safely and without threat.

You, however, do not have the right to tell any group of people to leave their own country or to support violence against them. You should be ashamed, you are speaking about terrorising innocent people and children, for goodness sake. How is that moving forward?

Do you realise that if you ever join the EU then such statements would be classed as a crime? Personally I would class such backward thinking as a crime in itself, but unfortunately you can't legislate for stupidity.

kufr

pre 13 godina

Well the widely accepted definition of terrorism seems to be "to instill fear, by violence or other means, in the pursuit of political or ideological aims". That is a pretty wide definition and you could classify many actions as terrorism with it. Including this shooting incident. The purpose of the shootings are surely to "instill fear" in the pursuit of scaring Serbs from returning to Kosovo.

Instill fear - check
Political purpose - check

Hank the Tank

pre 13 godina

serbs out of kosovo!
mijari


Thanks for being honest! This is no surprise to anywone. It shows what kind of people albanians are. They can live in Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro and all over the world but no non albanians can live amongst you.

Naim

pre 13 godina

Mr ivanovic how should we call the shooting in lawlessness north mitrovica. Terrorrrism or not? Shooting is more frequent in north especially at k-for in south people get punished according to the law as long as it takes for the criminals to be captured they'll be behind bars how about the criminals in your north mitrovica?? Well they actualy are encouraged from they liders.

Daniel

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57) "
Serbs do belong in Serbia. That's precisely why they are returning to their homes in Kosovo; Kosovo, Serbia.

mijari

pre 13 godina

serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.

Top

pre 13 godina

Terrorism? God! Noo! It's just the normal daily life in the democratic and multi-ethnic state of Kosovo.

And about the 24hour police patrol that doesn't see and doesn't find anything: Keep in mind that it's KPS, the Kosovo hills cops.

kate

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia."
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57)

Why bother expanding your mind to learn another language if you are just going to use it for ignorant xenophobic statements like that.

Under international law Kosovo remains part of Serbia, and Serbians have a complete right to be there. They also have the right like everyone else of all ethnicities to live safely and without threat.

You, however, do not have the right to tell any group of people to leave their own country or to support violence against them. You should be ashamed, you are speaking about terrorising innocent people and children, for goodness sake. How is that moving forward?

Do you realise that if you ever join the EU then such statements would be classed as a crime? Personally I would class such backward thinking as a crime in itself, but unfortunately you can't legislate for stupidity.

Top

pre 13 godina

Terrorism? God! Noo! It's just the normal daily life in the democratic and multi-ethnic state of Kosovo.

And about the 24hour police patrol that doesn't see and doesn't find anything: Keep in mind that it's KPS, the Kosovo hills cops.

Daniel

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57) "
Serbs do belong in Serbia. That's precisely why they are returning to their homes in Kosovo; Kosovo, Serbia.

Zoran

pre 13 godina

I applaud these Serbians for their bravery and standing up to these terrorists. Stand your ground as there are thousands upon thousands of Serbians ready to return.

Hank the Tank

pre 13 godina

serbs out of kosovo!
mijari


Thanks for being honest! This is no surprise to anywone. It shows what kind of people albanians are. They can live in Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro and all over the world but no non albanians can live amongst you.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

If parts of Kosovo or Albania ever becomes a part of the civilized world I will eat my shorts. Build a wall around this hell hole and let us have peace and prosperity away from this barbarism. I think most Serbs are willing to sacrifice some areas of Kosovo to once and for all seperate us. I can see why the albanians have not become white schengen members. Who would want them to spread the wings of anarchy to the rest of Europe?

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Penny Pouter

Include just one link to one objective article that would support your rediculous claim that Serbian MUP are atacking their own people in Kosovo. If you do, I will never ever comment on B 92 ever again. Then agian how foolish of me to think albanian criminals are behind these attacks since albanians are all angels and innocent of everything evil.

kufr

pre 13 godina

Well the widely accepted definition of terrorism seems to be "to instill fear, by violence or other means, in the pursuit of political or ideological aims". That is a pretty wide definition and you could classify many actions as terrorism with it. Including this shooting incident. The purpose of the shootings are surely to "instill fear" in the pursuit of scaring Serbs from returning to Kosovo.

Instill fear - check
Political purpose - check

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Denis

Not too long ago Serbia was bombed by the most powerful military alliance in the world. It has been sanctionized and is currently occupied and still we enjoy white schengen, better living standards, less corruption etc. What is Albanias excuse? You haven't had war, sanctions, occupation in how long...?
If either Kosovo or Albania join white schengen any time soon I will travel to Pristina with a Serbian flag on my back and yell "Milosevic rules".
You don't get it do you? Kosovo was recognized to keep you isolated and so that Europe could send back all those drugsmuggling albanians that poisoned Europe with heroin and human trafficking.

You blame Serbias better economy on Tito but the war in Yugoslavia on the Serbs. Boy, you sure know how to pick moments in history to fit your little agenda.

You want to go back in history then don't stop in the 90s. Go back to WW2 and see if you can recall who's side albanians were on. But then again, going back to this dark chapter in albanian history doesn't fit your purpose, now does it?

For once in your lives you should take responsibility for you own lives and stop blaming your missfortunes on others. Hopefully- in 100 years you too can enjoy visa free travel.

Top

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57)"

That's one opinion. Another one is: Albanians belong to Albania, and that the whole Kosovo is a fake state, with only socalled "ministers" and "presidents".

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Welcome to the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo, where people are beaten or killed for speaking a non-albanian language in public, where non-albanians are forced to live in barbed wire ghettos with no freedom of movement, where night club bouncers are government ministers, where graves are overturned and looted regularly, where churches are torched and destroyed, and last but not least....where the Yanks and Germans are in charge and running this horror show. Coincidence? I think not.

lids

pre 13 godina

KFOR and EULEX should seriosly ask Macedonians for help.
They know how to eliminate terrorist elements ..
But beside that,it has never been a better time for Serbs to come back and claim what`s theirs.

konstantin gregovic

pre 13 godina

RE: Nothing has changed from Tito's Yugoslavia to the so called Eulex Kosovo protectorate.

Serbs have been cleansed under Tito's government by the Albanian Communists in Kosovo since the end of WWII war.

Nothing has changed under Tito's government, or under Eulex, just a different flag supporting the Albanian extremists who still live under "clan" laws which in essence is terrorism at the highest degree.

Top

pre 13 godina

There should be KFOR troops present instead of incompetent 24h KPS police partols who are not able or not willing to find the perpetrators.

Naim

pre 13 godina

Mr ivanovic how should we call the shooting in lawlessness north mitrovica. Terrorrrism or not? Shooting is more frequent in north especially at k-for in south people get punished according to the law as long as it takes for the criminals to be captured they'll be behind bars how about the criminals in your north mitrovica?? Well they actualy are encouraged from they liders.

stari

pre 13 godina

hey B92, why put terrorism in quotation marks? it seems that every time a serb (or ally) calls something like it is, you put it in quotes... now when some joe schmoe, who knows nothing about the balkans says something, there are no quotes and it's like it's written in stone. anyone else notice this?

care

pre 13 godina

"As Serb military and paramilitary forces swept through Kosovo in the spring of 1999, forcing 800,000 Kosovo Albanians from their homes, and killing more than 10,000, many refugees found shelter in Albania"

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)

benzo

pre 13 godina

hey terror works for the k albanians why wouldnt they use ??

but trust me one day "within 5 years" well see k albanians commiting these acts on eulux and UN. kosovo will be partitioned by then and serbia will no longer be in this picture...good luck eulux and usa you broke it now you bought it.

Aleks

pre 13 godina

Denis is of course right. The Kosovo Albanians would have been much better off in Enver Hoxa's Albania than Tito's SFRY and even better off post 1989 when they also would have been victims of the pyramid scheme that brought down the government in 1997 and the mass looting of weapons took place.

Yes, the Albanians would live in the Balkan version of Switzerland if it wasn't for those pesky Serbs.

BTW, do you know the difference between division and brigades? How many divisions from the Balkans went to fight for Hitler in Russia and how many division did Tito's partizans have? Let us not ask who those from Drenica etc. fought for...

mijari

pre 13 godina

serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Denis

"and an entire economic infrustructure funded by $26 billion of western money."

I would rather the western countries responsible for bombing Serbia pay for the damages then the pocket change we received after.

Explain something! You say that Kosovo and Croatia joined Hitler in order to survive. I guess killing 1 million Serbs by the Croats at Jasenovac was done so to survive? I guess if you would have joined the Americans you would be no more? If you joined nazi Germany to protect yourself from the Serbs why did 5 albanian partizan brigades fight for Yugoslavia, if Serbs at the same time threatened you? You joined Hitler because that was the chance for you to take Kosovo and other parts of Serbia and create greater Albania.

All you have to do is compare Serbia and Albania. Not by what I say or what you claim to be the truth, but how far the countries in question have come based on what western media has to say. I mean you must surely truts the western media, after all they recognized Kosovo.

And I'm sorry to say but Albania and albanians are isolated.

“We Albanians are tired of feeling cut off from the world,” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/europe/24iht-albania.html

Also, you and many like you seem to think albanians are innocent of any crime. Here is something that might make you think twice before you blame everything on the Serbs.

"Uncovering Albania's role in the Kosovo war"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8687186.stm

Ataman

pre 13 godina

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)
(care, 21 May 2010 00:34)

C'mon! These bombs were humanitarian.

Denis

pre 13 godina

If parts of Kosovo or Albania ever becomes a part of the civilized world I will eat my shorts. Build a wall around this hell hole and let us have peace and prosperity away from this barbarism. I think most Serbs are willing to sacrifice some areas of Kosovo to once and for all seperate us. I can see why the albanians have not become white schengen members. Who would want them to spread the wings of anarchy to the rest of Europe?
(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 13:10)

You sound like a broken record. Albania this albanians that....

You speak of barbarism yet the vast majority of the convicted criminals in the Balkans are Serbs and Serbian attrocities are some of the most barbaric ones known in Europe in the last decades.

It was K-Alb the only nation of ex-Yugo that seeked for 10 yrs to peacefully resolve the conflict while you always sent the tanks in.

You speak of modern state and civility, as if it wasn't you who slaughtered your very own prime minister in the heart of your country a few yrs ago. Who are you kidding.

You have one advantage over Albania, you are slightly better economically thanks to Tito getting billions from the west, which left you with a better economic infrastructure. But the gap is closing.

This also gave you the upper hand in shengen white visa. Albania is schedule to get it this year, and it didn't get in the first place due technicalities, such as border shut downs, which Albania can't do for K-Alb that easy. So what, Serbia got a shengen white visa a year or two ahead and all of the sudden you became the cradle of civilization.

Denis

pre 13 godina

(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 18:08)

Serbia was bombed, but Serbia enjoyed billions of $ in aid and debt forgiveness after bombing and an entire economic infrustructure funded by $26 billion of western money. You know how much was Albania's debt in 2000, some $600 milion. So you do the math.

The wars in Balkans, the sanctions and conflicts hurt not just Serbia, but all the region. Kosovo's GDP from 1989 to 2000 droped by 78% thanks to your policies.

And no you do not enjoy less corruption, indeed the corruption in Kosovo is at a lower level according to latest data, and Albania is in the same level as Serbia, so is the level of crime as well as the drug trafic levels. But of course you are fed all this rubish so that's all u know. This again when Serbia still has $27 billion in debt today while Albania only $4 billion, yet you only live slightly better than Albanians and the gap is closing fast.

Not sure about your ilusion of isolation. Last year Albania was visited for turism by 1.8 milion foreign nationals, way better than Serbia.

What dark chapter of History is WWII? K-Alb sided with Germany for the very right of existence that was threatened by Serbia. Germany had nothing against them, it was the Serbs who had killed, cleansed and slaughtered them for decades ..... try to go back to 1912-1913 conflicts or to infamous memorandums of expulsion that Serbian elite was contemplating in the 30s.... so every sane nation in the world would have joined the Nazis if they were in the position of the Albanians. Croats did, Bosniaks did, all nations threatened by Serbia.

Yet you forget the 5 Albanian partizan brigades that marched from Albania to fight the germans all the way to Sanjzak on foreign soil to help Tito's partizans, and chase the germans from the south. Hundreds of them died in combat. Oh yeah, that is not selective history from your part.

Penny Pouter

pre 13 godina

Do you realise that if you ever join the EU then such statements would be classed as a crime? Personally I would class such backward thinking as a crime in itself, but unfortunately you can't legislate for stupidity.
(kate, 20 May 2010 13:01)

Kate,

You are assuming that the shooters were Albanian, do you know something others do not, or is just backward thinking which in your mind is a crime.

As you very well know, the MUP, on several occasions, have deviously perpetrated such violence and then blame these crimes on the Albanians. You should take time to read the results of many investigations conducted by Kfor and UNMIK so as to educate yourself as to who is committing these crimes.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

combat. Oh yeah, that is not selective history from your part.
(Denis, 20 May 2010 20:32)

All good Denis but still on a scale of 1 t0 10 back in europe we see albania as 1 and serbia as 7, so still way to go....

PRN

pre 13 godina

Most likely Serbs themselves again are doing it. Serbian capability has, and still suprises many, because its is beyond imagination. Anyway,I will not say for sure, so I await the investigations.

Peace

Michael R.

pre 13 godina

"As Serb military and paramilitary forces swept through Kosovo in the spring of 1999, forcing 800,000 Kosovo Albanians from their homes, and killing more than 10,000, many refugees found shelter in Albania"

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)
(care, 21 May 2010 00:34)

care,

How many Serbs fled Kosova/o when the bombs started falling. You know the answer. According to you, only Albanians fled the bombs, why not any Serbs, they were the same bombs. Everyone knows it was Serb military and paramilitaries that went house to house evicting the Albanians by force. There is no way you can deny this since many decent Serbs witnessed and confirmed it.

EA

pre 13 godina

"Terrorism"? A wishfull thinking. Or maybe "that is the language the West understand"? Good try but it is just a wishful event.
How about "West interfering in Serbia's internal affairs...when dealing with Kosovo Albanians separatists..." Ohhh we forgot about that.

Let's be serious for once. Serbia must recognise Kosovo/a independent first, talk to Kosovo/a authority as equal partners and stop messing around with the international community.

Denis

pre 13 godina

Explain something! You say that Kosovo and Croatia joined Hitler in order to survive. I guess killing 1 million Serbs by the Croats at Jasenovac was done so to survive? I guess if you would have joined the Americans you would be no more? If you joined nazi Germany to protect yourself from the Serbs why did 5 albanian partizan brigades fight for Yugoslavia, if Serbs at the same time threatened you? You joined Hitler because that was the chance for you to take Kosovo and other parts of Serbia and create greater Albania.

All you have to do is compare Serbia and Albania. Not by what I say or what you claim to be the truth, but how far the countries in question have come based on what western media has to say. I mean you must surely truts the western media, after all they recognized Kosovo.

(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 22:29)

Micahel do you really act as if you don't know?


Of course Albs joined the Germans to incorporate Kosovo back to Albania, this was no secret. Kosovo was awarded to Serbia in 1912 amongst many controvesies and disagreements even from the western countries, and Alb always considered it a grave injustice and a land-grab. I am sure you would have done the same if you were in their shoes.

For all sides in the Balkans, Serbia was perceived as the greatest threat to their identity and existence, not Germany. The fact that Croats went too far in their response does not deny this fact.

The Alb partizan brigades were those run by communists. As communists they had a different agenda from Kosovo nationalists, their priority was to fight Germans and nazism. You never heard of these things happening during WWII in all countries?

As I said before, Serbia enjoyed a slight advantage economically and that is why you got the free visa regime earlier. Of course also to keep you happy due to Kosovo issue. All conditions were met by Albania as well, besides border shut down with Kosovo.

I believe that instead of always focusing on how we have fought or how we hate each other, you rather try to find what Serbs and Albanians can do together beyond the conflict.

This year or the next Albania will get the visa free regime, what then? You will have one less thing to brag about.

This extremist talk that you like and that we see in this article about terrorist and what not surely does not help anyone, especially when your minister is discovering mass graves of Alb in his own country.

If Serbs and Albanians don't find a way to make peace none of them will enjoy the prosperity they want, simple as that.

Adam

pre 13 godina

Maybe it is time for any Belgrade official to ask a decisive question. Is the fact that the obstruction of Kosovo in all possible manners not contraproductive for a peaceful future? Even a blind can see that this a retaliation for Serbia's policy towards Kosovo, and I doubt that the problems for Kosovo Serbs will change for as long as Serbia obstructs Kosovo. The skirmishes in Zec but also in the North are just the symptoms.

mijari

pre 13 godina

serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.

PRN

pre 13 godina

Most likely Serbs themselves again are doing it. Serbian capability has, and still suprises many, because its is beyond imagination. Anyway,I will not say for sure, so I await the investigations.

Peace

Penny Pouter

pre 13 godina

Do you realise that if you ever join the EU then such statements would be classed as a crime? Personally I would class such backward thinking as a crime in itself, but unfortunately you can't legislate for stupidity.
(kate, 20 May 2010 13:01)

Kate,

You are assuming that the shooters were Albanian, do you know something others do not, or is just backward thinking which in your mind is a crime.

As you very well know, the MUP, on several occasions, have deviously perpetrated such violence and then blame these crimes on the Albanians. You should take time to read the results of many investigations conducted by Kfor and UNMIK so as to educate yourself as to who is committing these crimes.

Naim

pre 13 godina

Mr ivanovic how should we call the shooting in lawlessness north mitrovica. Terrorrrism or not? Shooting is more frequent in north especially at k-for in south people get punished according to the law as long as it takes for the criminals to be captured they'll be behind bars how about the criminals in your north mitrovica?? Well they actualy are encouraged from they liders.

Denis

pre 13 godina

If parts of Kosovo or Albania ever becomes a part of the civilized world I will eat my shorts. Build a wall around this hell hole and let us have peace and prosperity away from this barbarism. I think most Serbs are willing to sacrifice some areas of Kosovo to once and for all seperate us. I can see why the albanians have not become white schengen members. Who would want them to spread the wings of anarchy to the rest of Europe?
(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 13:10)

You sound like a broken record. Albania this albanians that....

You speak of barbarism yet the vast majority of the convicted criminals in the Balkans are Serbs and Serbian attrocities are some of the most barbaric ones known in Europe in the last decades.

It was K-Alb the only nation of ex-Yugo that seeked for 10 yrs to peacefully resolve the conflict while you always sent the tanks in.

You speak of modern state and civility, as if it wasn't you who slaughtered your very own prime minister in the heart of your country a few yrs ago. Who are you kidding.

You have one advantage over Albania, you are slightly better economically thanks to Tito getting billions from the west, which left you with a better economic infrastructure. But the gap is closing.

This also gave you the upper hand in shengen white visa. Albania is schedule to get it this year, and it didn't get in the first place due technicalities, such as border shut downs, which Albania can't do for K-Alb that easy. So what, Serbia got a shengen white visa a year or two ahead and all of the sudden you became the cradle of civilization.

Denis

pre 13 godina

(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 18:08)

Serbia was bombed, but Serbia enjoyed billions of $ in aid and debt forgiveness after bombing and an entire economic infrustructure funded by $26 billion of western money. You know how much was Albania's debt in 2000, some $600 milion. So you do the math.

The wars in Balkans, the sanctions and conflicts hurt not just Serbia, but all the region. Kosovo's GDP from 1989 to 2000 droped by 78% thanks to your policies.

And no you do not enjoy less corruption, indeed the corruption in Kosovo is at a lower level according to latest data, and Albania is in the same level as Serbia, so is the level of crime as well as the drug trafic levels. But of course you are fed all this rubish so that's all u know. This again when Serbia still has $27 billion in debt today while Albania only $4 billion, yet you only live slightly better than Albanians and the gap is closing fast.

Not sure about your ilusion of isolation. Last year Albania was visited for turism by 1.8 milion foreign nationals, way better than Serbia.

What dark chapter of History is WWII? K-Alb sided with Germany for the very right of existence that was threatened by Serbia. Germany had nothing against them, it was the Serbs who had killed, cleansed and slaughtered them for decades ..... try to go back to 1912-1913 conflicts or to infamous memorandums of expulsion that Serbian elite was contemplating in the 30s.... so every sane nation in the world would have joined the Nazis if they were in the position of the Albanians. Croats did, Bosniaks did, all nations threatened by Serbia.

Yet you forget the 5 Albanian partizan brigades that marched from Albania to fight the germans all the way to Sanjzak on foreign soil to help Tito's partizans, and chase the germans from the south. Hundreds of them died in combat. Oh yeah, that is not selective history from your part.

Adam

pre 13 godina

Maybe it is time for any Belgrade official to ask a decisive question. Is the fact that the obstruction of Kosovo in all possible manners not contraproductive for a peaceful future? Even a blind can see that this a retaliation for Serbia's policy towards Kosovo, and I doubt that the problems for Kosovo Serbs will change for as long as Serbia obstructs Kosovo. The skirmishes in Zec but also in the North are just the symptoms.

EA

pre 13 godina

"Terrorism"? A wishfull thinking. Or maybe "that is the language the West understand"? Good try but it is just a wishful event.
How about "West interfering in Serbia's internal affairs...when dealing with Kosovo Albanians separatists..." Ohhh we forgot about that.

Let's be serious for once. Serbia must recognise Kosovo/a independent first, talk to Kosovo/a authority as equal partners and stop messing around with the international community.

Michael R.

pre 13 godina

"As Serb military and paramilitary forces swept through Kosovo in the spring of 1999, forcing 800,000 Kosovo Albanians from their homes, and killing more than 10,000, many refugees found shelter in Albania"

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)
(care, 21 May 2010 00:34)

care,

How many Serbs fled Kosova/o when the bombs started falling. You know the answer. According to you, only Albanians fled the bombs, why not any Serbs, they were the same bombs. Everyone knows it was Serb military and paramilitaries that went house to house evicting the Albanians by force. There is no way you can deny this since many decent Serbs witnessed and confirmed it.

Top

pre 13 godina

Terrorism? God! Noo! It's just the normal daily life in the democratic and multi-ethnic state of Kosovo.

And about the 24hour police patrol that doesn't see and doesn't find anything: Keep in mind that it's KPS, the Kosovo hills cops.

Denis

pre 13 godina

Explain something! You say that Kosovo and Croatia joined Hitler in order to survive. I guess killing 1 million Serbs by the Croats at Jasenovac was done so to survive? I guess if you would have joined the Americans you would be no more? If you joined nazi Germany to protect yourself from the Serbs why did 5 albanian partizan brigades fight for Yugoslavia, if Serbs at the same time threatened you? You joined Hitler because that was the chance for you to take Kosovo and other parts of Serbia and create greater Albania.

All you have to do is compare Serbia and Albania. Not by what I say or what you claim to be the truth, but how far the countries in question have come based on what western media has to say. I mean you must surely truts the western media, after all they recognized Kosovo.

(Mikael C, 20 May 2010 22:29)

Micahel do you really act as if you don't know?


Of course Albs joined the Germans to incorporate Kosovo back to Albania, this was no secret. Kosovo was awarded to Serbia in 1912 amongst many controvesies and disagreements even from the western countries, and Alb always considered it a grave injustice and a land-grab. I am sure you would have done the same if you were in their shoes.

For all sides in the Balkans, Serbia was perceived as the greatest threat to their identity and existence, not Germany. The fact that Croats went too far in their response does not deny this fact.

The Alb partizan brigades were those run by communists. As communists they had a different agenda from Kosovo nationalists, their priority was to fight Germans and nazism. You never heard of these things happening during WWII in all countries?

As I said before, Serbia enjoyed a slight advantage economically and that is why you got the free visa regime earlier. Of course also to keep you happy due to Kosovo issue. All conditions were met by Albania as well, besides border shut down with Kosovo.

I believe that instead of always focusing on how we have fought or how we hate each other, you rather try to find what Serbs and Albanians can do together beyond the conflict.

This year or the next Albania will get the visa free regime, what then? You will have one less thing to brag about.

This extremist talk that you like and that we see in this article about terrorist and what not surely does not help anyone, especially when your minister is discovering mass graves of Alb in his own country.

If Serbs and Albanians don't find a way to make peace none of them will enjoy the prosperity they want, simple as that.

Hank the Tank

pre 13 godina

serbs out of kosovo!
mijari


Thanks for being honest! This is no surprise to anywone. It shows what kind of people albanians are. They can live in Serbia, Macedonia, Montenegro and all over the world but no non albanians can live amongst you.

Dragan

pre 13 godina

Welcome to the fake, illegal, and immoral 'state' of Kosovo, where people are beaten or killed for speaking a non-albanian language in public, where non-albanians are forced to live in barbed wire ghettos with no freedom of movement, where night club bouncers are government ministers, where graves are overturned and looted regularly, where churches are torched and destroyed, and last but not least....where the Yanks and Germans are in charge and running this horror show. Coincidence? I think not.

stari

pre 13 godina

hey B92, why put terrorism in quotation marks? it seems that every time a serb (or ally) calls something like it is, you put it in quotes... now when some joe schmoe, who knows nothing about the balkans says something, there are no quotes and it's like it's written in stone. anyone else notice this?

kate

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia."
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57)

Why bother expanding your mind to learn another language if you are just going to use it for ignorant xenophobic statements like that.

Under international law Kosovo remains part of Serbia, and Serbians have a complete right to be there. They also have the right like everyone else of all ethnicities to live safely and without threat.

You, however, do not have the right to tell any group of people to leave their own country or to support violence against them. You should be ashamed, you are speaking about terrorising innocent people and children, for goodness sake. How is that moving forward?

Do you realise that if you ever join the EU then such statements would be classed as a crime? Personally I would class such backward thinking as a crime in itself, but unfortunately you can't legislate for stupidity.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Denis

Not too long ago Serbia was bombed by the most powerful military alliance in the world. It has been sanctionized and is currently occupied and still we enjoy white schengen, better living standards, less corruption etc. What is Albanias excuse? You haven't had war, sanctions, occupation in how long...?
If either Kosovo or Albania join white schengen any time soon I will travel to Pristina with a Serbian flag on my back and yell "Milosevic rules".
You don't get it do you? Kosovo was recognized to keep you isolated and so that Europe could send back all those drugsmuggling albanians that poisoned Europe with heroin and human trafficking.

You blame Serbias better economy on Tito but the war in Yugoslavia on the Serbs. Boy, you sure know how to pick moments in history to fit your little agenda.

You want to go back in history then don't stop in the 90s. Go back to WW2 and see if you can recall who's side albanians were on. But then again, going back to this dark chapter in albanian history doesn't fit your purpose, now does it?

For once in your lives you should take responsibility for you own lives and stop blaming your missfortunes on others. Hopefully- in 100 years you too can enjoy visa free travel.

konstantin gregovic

pre 13 godina

RE: Nothing has changed from Tito's Yugoslavia to the so called Eulex Kosovo protectorate.

Serbs have been cleansed under Tito's government by the Albanian Communists in Kosovo since the end of WWII war.

Nothing has changed under Tito's government, or under Eulex, just a different flag supporting the Albanian extremists who still live under "clan" laws which in essence is terrorism at the highest degree.

kufr

pre 13 godina

Well the widely accepted definition of terrorism seems to be "to instill fear, by violence or other means, in the pursuit of political or ideological aims". That is a pretty wide definition and you could classify many actions as terrorism with it. Including this shooting incident. The purpose of the shootings are surely to "instill fear" in the pursuit of scaring Serbs from returning to Kosovo.

Instill fear - check
Political purpose - check

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

If parts of Kosovo or Albania ever becomes a part of the civilized world I will eat my shorts. Build a wall around this hell hole and let us have peace and prosperity away from this barbarism. I think most Serbs are willing to sacrifice some areas of Kosovo to once and for all seperate us. I can see why the albanians have not become white schengen members. Who would want them to spread the wings of anarchy to the rest of Europe?

Zoran

pre 13 godina

I applaud these Serbians for their bravery and standing up to these terrorists. Stand your ground as there are thousands upon thousands of Serbians ready to return.

Aleks

pre 13 godina

Denis is of course right. The Kosovo Albanians would have been much better off in Enver Hoxa's Albania than Tito's SFRY and even better off post 1989 when they also would have been victims of the pyramid scheme that brought down the government in 1997 and the mass looting of weapons took place.

Yes, the Albanians would live in the Balkan version of Switzerland if it wasn't for those pesky Serbs.

BTW, do you know the difference between division and brigades? How many divisions from the Balkans went to fight for Hitler in Russia and how many division did Tito's partizans have? Let us not ask who those from Drenica etc. fought for...

Daniel

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57) "
Serbs do belong in Serbia. That's precisely why they are returning to their homes in Kosovo; Kosovo, Serbia.

benzo

pre 13 godina

hey terror works for the k albanians why wouldnt they use ??

but trust me one day "within 5 years" well see k albanians commiting these acts on eulux and UN. kosovo will be partitioned by then and serbia will no longer be in this picture...good luck eulux and usa you broke it now you bought it.

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Denis

"and an entire economic infrustructure funded by $26 billion of western money."

I would rather the western countries responsible for bombing Serbia pay for the damages then the pocket change we received after.

Explain something! You say that Kosovo and Croatia joined Hitler in order to survive. I guess killing 1 million Serbs by the Croats at Jasenovac was done so to survive? I guess if you would have joined the Americans you would be no more? If you joined nazi Germany to protect yourself from the Serbs why did 5 albanian partizan brigades fight for Yugoslavia, if Serbs at the same time threatened you? You joined Hitler because that was the chance for you to take Kosovo and other parts of Serbia and create greater Albania.

All you have to do is compare Serbia and Albania. Not by what I say or what you claim to be the truth, but how far the countries in question have come based on what western media has to say. I mean you must surely truts the western media, after all they recognized Kosovo.

And I'm sorry to say but Albania and albanians are isolated.

“We Albanians are tired of feeling cut off from the world,” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/world/europe/24iht-albania.html

Also, you and many like you seem to think albanians are innocent of any crime. Here is something that might make you think twice before you blame everything on the Serbs.

"Uncovering Albania's role in the Kosovo war"http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8687186.stm

care

pre 13 godina

"As Serb military and paramilitary forces swept through Kosovo in the spring of 1999, forcing 800,000 Kosovo Albanians from their homes, and killing more than 10,000, many refugees found shelter in Albania"

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)

Top

pre 13 godina

"serbs out of kosovo! serbs belong in serbia not in kosovo.and you fake minister in exile known as ivanovic look better at your own business in your serbia.
(mijari, 20 May 2010 11:57)"

That's one opinion. Another one is: Albanians belong to Albania, and that the whole Kosovo is a fake state, with only socalled "ministers" and "presidents".

Mikael C

pre 13 godina

Penny Pouter

Include just one link to one objective article that would support your rediculous claim that Serbian MUP are atacking their own people in Kosovo. If you do, I will never ever comment on B 92 ever again. Then agian how foolish of me to think albanian criminals are behind these attacks since albanians are all angels and innocent of everything evil.

lids

pre 13 godina

KFOR and EULEX should seriosly ask Macedonians for help.
They know how to eliminate terrorist elements ..
But beside that,it has never been a better time for Serbs to come back and claim what`s theirs.

Ataman

pre 13 godina

And how many fled when the bombs started falling? 0? Yeah that would be right;)
(care, 21 May 2010 00:34)

C'mon! These bombs were humanitarian.

Top

pre 13 godina

There should be KFOR troops present instead of incompetent 24h KPS police partols who are not able or not willing to find the perpetrators.

The Swiss

pre 13 godina

combat. Oh yeah, that is not selective history from your part.
(Denis, 20 May 2010 20:32)

All good Denis but still on a scale of 1 t0 10 back in europe we see albania as 1 and serbia as 7, so still way to go....