“Kosovo partition difficult to realize”

don´t take this little PRN too serious!

I think even a person of his level knows at least that this is only pubertal gossip.

it seems like some young k-albanian kiddies still haven´t realized that they are quite weak if there is no NATO around to "protect" them against "evil" Serbia.

fact is, as soon as the foreign occupiers leave, kids like PRN will be much more quiet than at the moment.

and don´t believe NATO will stay forever... =)

Serbia will prevail, just a question of time.

Looks like the supporters of the illegal take over of Kosovo will do what they can to prevent Serbia from taking back what is legaly theirs. Anyway, it seems like the world is also realizing its misstakes in Kosovo. The report on Kosovo corruption and lack of minority rights are all caused by the UDI. Albanians have shown that they are not capable of running a society without involving maffia methodes. Partitioning Kosovo, status quo, is the only way forward for both.

I can't believe all commentators commenting PRN. You can obviously see is just provoking with outrageous claims and still everyone falls for it. Ignore the troll and he will dissapear into the abyss with the rest of the Albanians in Kosovo.

PRN - Do you really believe that stuff? Or are you just pretending to be so ill-informed and trying to be provocative?
(kate, 18 May 2010 12:12)
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Kate, they are provocative due to their frustration. Isn't it obvious?

Just read the article and you can see Kosovo is going nowhere. The status-quo remains and the PRNs, robertos and other ultra nationalists are simply frustrated. Their independence dream has failed and all they can do is throw a tantrum.

Here is my suggestion to these people. Check http://jorgeguerra.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/pacifier.jpg

Anyhow the whole world knows that Kosovo is Albania.
(PRN, 18 May 2010, 10:42)

Whoel world? That is being a bit (well, alot crazy). I would say that the only people who think Kosovo is Albania are a few crazy ethnic Albanian nationalists in Kosovo. Most moderates in Kosovo do not think this, nor do Albanians in Albania.

This is why AKSH was so unpopular, then and now.

PRN - Do you really believe that stuff? Or are you just pretending to be so ill-informed and trying to be provocative?

PRN,

Albania wasn't a country before the end of WWI so Albania has no legitimate claim to Kosovo. I also believe that Albania doesn't want merge with Kosovo but it is the other way around. Kosovo is throwing itself at Albania but Albania doesn’t have any real interest. I haven't seen a real Albanian here, not an ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, who has advocated the merger of Albania with Kosovo. I think the idea of a "Greater Albania" is Kosovo folklore. The real Albanians don't seem to care for their country-folk brethren so you might want to be more realistic in your comments.

"You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history.
(PRN, 18 May 2010 14:42)"

Wow! Such a profound concpet -- "historical common sense" -- Professor PRN, do you care to elaborate further to intellectually challenged people on B92 as to what this is all about? Care also to share some your sacred "international sources"? Thanks in advance!

Little late for the EU to hope that the Kosovo status will not become a frozen conflict - it already is. Until the US drops it's might is right approach, nothing will change in Kosovo for generations. America's meddling in the Balkans is another example of why it should stay out of regional conflicts that don't concern her. The US is very good at starting something, but like an impotent lover, cannot finish.

U.S. diplomatic offices and other Kosovo independence proponents expect that the “non-obligatory opinion” of the ICJ will be one that each side will be able to use to support its position, says Beta.

Kosova/o will be in much better position than Serbia, since Serbia was the one taking the case to ICJ,knowing fully that;this is an advisory opinin and will not have any bearing in CDI. Even if the opinion of ICJ goes in favor of Serbia(very unlikely), Kosova/o is in better position.

EA,
What's wrong with the rights of Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? Don't they have rights for free movement, right to speak (in Albanian, as well), right to vote, property rights, etc.?
What rights are you talking about?

LOL, what´s he talking about ???

partition is a fact since occupation, frozen conflict a fact since "udi", future status is also clear, within serbia.

maybe this is realy too complicated for eu-apperatchiks, but generaly it isn´t soo complicated at all.

eusa are broke, they need their occupation troops.

they can phantasize about an republic kosovo and get an happy end like when leaving occupied south-vietnam/saigon.

it was a bit hasty then, wasn´t it ?

or they can regulate the end of occupation an look good on tv.

one way or the other, serbia will get what is hers and it wants.

The fact that they are even talking about partition means only one thing..
Serbia will have control over Kosovo one way or the other.
Internationals failed leaps and bounds,and we are the only ones who know how to deal with the problems on Serbian land..

So what we come away with from this article is the main reason behind Kosovo-UNMIK's stalled process is the desperate stonewalling by its strongest proponents for independence because they seem to have no other recourse or solution to a problem they started. By actually thinking drawing an arbitrary boundary line between Serbia and its southern province would solve all of the Balkan's regional issues of instability and bring peace, love, harmony and cookies to all, Western officials have only exacerbated problems. Two years into this pet project we find that Belgrade is far more tenacious than many expected (and I find hard to realize since Serbs have NEVER displayed ANY desire to cooperate with outside powers bent on their subjugation). This just goes to show the poverty of putting state-building in the hands of bureaucrats whose only exposure to Southeaster Europe was through reading secondary source material written by agenda setting journalists with no command of the local languages nor any understanding of historical legacies beyond the time they entered the region to do their interviewing.

Now we're talking about giving the same amount of "substantial autonomy" to the K-Serbs as was offered to the K-Albanians. And I have to ask why? Why should the K-Serbs be given substantial autonomy in an independent Kosovo when the so-called state institutions of said "country" have never exerted any legitimate control over these people? Why is it that the Western stonewallers are so hesitant to break up what they see as an indivisible territory that never existed as an entity in history? Moreover, why should we attach K-Serb municipalities to a “state” that is recognized by EULEX as plagued with “organized crime and corruption in all government structures” that have contributed to the “failing economic and social situation”, all of which were brought on by the “independence extorted by the (ethnic) Albanian government in Priština”? I mean this is as damning an indictment as any to be attached to such a state.

If the K-Albanian leadership want to continue running their parastate into the ground, by all means let them do it. But leave the Serb sectors under Belgrade’s authority. Pristina put all its hopes on an increasingly impotent Washington that can only talk big but offer no definitive solutions.

Valon, Obama hates coal, and the US is looking for alternative, and cleaner fuel to use. If you are banking on coal being Kosova's meal ticket, you will remain hungry. And BTW, I strongly believe that the US will abandon the Balkans, it cannot afford it anymore.

To simplify the issue, same rights for Kosovo/s Serbs in Kosovo/a to the rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
EA

Presevo is not on the negotiating table. At least albanians there don't need NATO protections to go to the market, their graveyards are not being destroyed and they are not being shot at. And who are you to speak for albanians in Presevo? They are doing much better then they would in Kosovo or Albania. I don't hear them complain. Neither Kosovo nor Presevo is for sale! It has always been Serbia and it will always remain Serbian. Those who don't like it can move back to their country of origin.

Comment: "Remember KOsovo + 90% (of) Serbia = ALBANIA
We are heading there. Patient factor is crucial at this stage.
(PRN, 18 May 2010 11:51)(EoC)

In this way, you are not able to solve any problem on Balkan. But its your living ground and your choice.You will to stay the next century in a covered war and steal your children their future.
I pray your politicans will become more clever, but i have a lot of doubts.

“Kosovo partition difficult to realize”

Well I agree with that comment.

Lets partition Serbia (further) then. This is the ONLY formula for peace and prosperity in the Balkans.

After all nearly half of Balkans is Albania (but provisionally govern by occupying forces)

Remember KOsovo + 90% (of) Serbia = ALBANIA

We are heading there. Patient factor is crucial at this stage.

PRN, the very laws of physics would have to be violated to the point of being sodomized for anyone to attribute "historical common sense" to anything you write.

Especially since a previous gem posted by you was "KOsovo + 90% (of) Serbia = ALBANIA
We are heading there."

You're a funny little boy.

Trying to get a new UNSC resolution is america's last desparate attempt to, somehow, "justify" its failed Balkan policies of the last 25 years. For some strange reason, american diplomats think that, if one part of their foreign policy is invalidated, the whole foreign policy is trashed. I always said that america would rather spend itself into bankruptcy and risk global war than to be exposed as "being wrong". It is america's meglomaniacal ego that curses the world today.

"You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history."
PRN

Why don't you provide us with liks to those millions and millions of sites with albanian history in Kosovo? BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY! Your history in Kosovo dates back 60-70 years.

Truly don't think that silly comments are worth talking about.

What strikes me is that over a decade after NATO bombardment and UDI there has been so little progress in Kosovo.

I find this depressing for everybody concerned, I really do.

We have all messed up on this, admittedly some more than others, but we are continuing to fail Kosovo and its people.

For that reason I truly hope that no matter what the decision at the ICJ, that we sit down and make some progress.

Personally I am unaffected by what happens in Kosovo, I can sit it out forever, its just my heart goes out to all the people there.

Why can't they be allowed to live normally with a reasonable standard of living and in relative peace with each other?

The only time you can use state and Kosovo in the same sentence, is state of confusion. The nation building that the US/EU attempted to do with Serbia's southern province has not succeeded. Kosovo under Albanian rule is a catastrophe. Like the realistic, non-supporters of America's Balkan project say, Kosovo is now a corrupt, dirty, crime-infested, mafia-run territory with absolutely no future. Let's wait and see how the US wiggles out of this embarrassing failure, but as always, tries to save face. It will be entertaining to watch. Unfortunately the US seldom takes into account that human lives are involved in their projects - just ask the Iraqis and Afghanis.

Ataman, before rushing to defend "bganon" you should know that 90% of what he peddels is pro-otporista stuff and every now and then, a small token for credibility and the serbian cause.

Hence his low-rated posts, people are obviously not stupid.

" Officials from countries that have not recognize Kosovo believe that the fact that the unilateral proclamation represents a violation of international law, the UN Charter and decisions of the UNSC was the main reason why so many important countries in the world do not wish to recognize the proclamation, the news agency writes.

The report adds that those countries are “also stressing the fact that the unilaterally proclaimed independence has not brought stability to Kosovo, or the region”.

Those are not facts but opinions!

PRN - Do you really believe that stuff? Or are you just pretending to be so ill-informed and trying to be provocative?
(kate, 18 May 2010 12:12)

Kate,

You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history.

"Those are not facts but opinions!
(nikshala, 18 May 2010 15:23)"

Why can't people's opinions be based on facts? If I have an opinion that someone is sick because he is coughing and sneezing badly, am I not likely to be right in my opinion?

In any case, like it or not, the opinions of countries will shape their decisions.

Why can't they be allowed to live normally with a reasonable standard of living and in relative peace with each other?
(bganon, 18 May 2010 16:59)
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Because you already got 13 negative comments to your otherwise excellent post - and the number will grow for sure. These "negatives" are self-incriminating.

One solution that “could lead to stability” would be “true autonomy “ for the Serbs in northern Kosovo, with a “much more secure status for Serbs in (central) Kosovo enclaves”, says the report..."

To simplify the issue, same rights for Kosovo/s Serbs in Kosovo/a to the rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.

I love how some are arguing that the US has failed to stabilize the Balkans. The United States intervention in the Balkans is one of the most successful interventions since WWII. They are NOT going any where. Kosovo has the most coal per square foot than any other sate and the Albanians are over-the-top loyal to America. So long as Serbia does not recognize Kosovo's sovereignty, their will be NATO forces watching the borders and skies.

To simplify the issue, same rights for Kosovo/s Serbs in Kosovo/a to the rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
(EA, 18 May 2010 20:44)
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Are you talking about the right to get a uni degree in their own languge too just like the Albanians have?
No need for NATO escort to church (sorry in your case mosque) and school. Not being stoned or shot at and cemeteries left alone.
No power cuts and no telecommunications cut.
Do you call this fair treatment or abuse?

Actually that's exactly what the Albanians in Kosovo had for a very, very long time and yet still not happy. Still decided to torment and terrorise the Serbs and kill Serbian police thus provoking a war.

(ballisti, 19 May 2010 03:43)
As far as Presevo valley is concerned when you Albanians are ready you can take it if you can, ha, ha, ha. But this time no help from NATO you must do it yourself. I can see the jackass brigades charging into the valley.
Now you get to the nub of the problem “albanian diplomas are not reckognised in serbia, rejecting so job oppurtunites for the albanians”. This is only the beginning for you Albanians because as Serbia develops its industries no jobs in Serbia for you. You people are going to disappear slowly from Kosovo.
If the so called Kosovo Government gave “400k euros to serb municipalites and guaranteed them further assistance” why has it not provided jobs to your people?
Your so called Kosovo government could not give a loaf of bread away if they were not receiving aid on a vast scale from the EU/US.

“…and don't talk about churches, they are not even serbian apart from a couple or four, mostly are romanesque built long before serbs and slavs in general flooded the Balkans”.

This part must be in the history books from that special Albanian library – history that no one else has heard about. You know how Albanians are Illyrians and have been there for thousands of years, but there is no real proof; not even a cave painting.
I would not worry too much about Serb churches; they were built by Serbs not by Albanians from a parallel universe. The architectural style is called Byzantine and is followed to this day through the world wherever Serbs build their churches. Byzantines are the Roman Empire but in the east – Constantinople.
“Albanians in Kosovo changed their flag, their anthem, disbanded UCK”
What were you fighting for if you changed all this? It only shows how people like you cannot see that you were used. As you Albanians claim that Kosovo will join with Albania; ask the EU when it will be able to do so. If they answer differently from NEVER come back and tell me.

Well even the yugoslav communists could see the cultural value in these Serbian churches plus there would be no Tito if they did that, but if your people did not value their culture why would you cry if the Albanian communist destroyed your mosques.

“Kosovo partition difficult to realize”

Serbia is willing to overlook a partition ;)

So, every time they mention the serb enclaves,they [serbs and the internationals] forget about Presevo valley, which is the same issue in essence...also, strange how they acuse Kosovo gov of being corrupt when Unmik steals 400G euros from the budget on one side, and Beograd steals as much annualy from the energy production due to old system [the funny part is that stealing here is considered purely legitimate]...yet corruption, unemployment and poverty are grave problems in Kosovo, but so are in other balkan countries, greece for example, plus there is no evidence that the economical situation in Kosovo was much better during serb and yugoslav administration, as the official facts are that Kosovo had always been the poorest unit in jugoslavija...

To simplify the issue, same rights for Kosovo/s Serbs in Kosovo/a to the rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
(EA)
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Are you so ashamed of your Albanian heritage that you must go out and seek a new one?

ballisti

I don't know where you get your information from but it's feeding you lies. Serbs being a superminority! Are you kidding me? Its one thing to promise something on paper but another to actually make it function. How many of the 250.000 Serbs have returned to Kosovo? Serbs are still being shot at and harrassed and refused a return to their homes. Serbs still have their cemetaries desecrated and they live in ghettoes except for in norht Kosovo. You should be ashamed to suggest that these are the lives of a "superminority". You are just full of bs. Albanians under Milosevic had a better life then Serbs under the current albanian administration in Pristina. I call upon all Kosovo Serbs to trust only Belgrade and their own kind.

You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history.
(PRN)
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Provide these reading materials that insist exist.

Serbia built a military base in Bujanov recently, violating the kumanova pact, but the main issue is that it is a direct provocation to the local population there, who only 9 years ago picked up the guns against opression...also, each 28 of novemeber , on our national flag day, the presevo valley is terrorized by the patroling of hundreds of military vehicles...that is a psychologycal opression. Not to mention that the albanian diplomas are not reckognised in serbia, rejecting so job oppurtunites for the albanians there...If serbs consider north mitrovica as theirs, and attempt to anex it...Kosovo will have to do the same with Presevo valley...

Albanians in Kosovo changed their flag, their anthem, disbanded UCK, gave to serbs their own municipalites , and the serbian language is official alongside Albanian and english, practically the serb minority is the only superminority in the balkans... recently Albanian foreign ministry gave away 400k euros to serb municipalites and guaranteed them further assistance...what does beograd do? built more military pases around Kosovo...and don't talk about churches, they are not even serbian apart from a couple or four, mostly are romanesque built long before serbs and slavs in general flooded the balkans ...i wonder how come yugoslav communists didn't destroy worship buildings, in Albania they did, yet no one has been crying .

Ballisti

There is corruption in other balkan states but Kosovo is the ultimate corruption territory. Albanians don't know how to run a society (look at Albania). Also all you do is complain by saying there is corruption everywhere. For the love of God DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Everyone has white schengen except Kosovo and Albania. Why do you think that is?
Albanians are beyond rescue since you don't take responsibility and admit to your weaknesses.

ballisti wrote " no one yet has been crying"... =)

well then, if the K-albanians are not known for whining, how comes that the western occupiers used the footage of crying, overweighted mummies with crying children in their hands to justify their illegal aggression agains a sovereign european state in 1999?

you know, it´s been just you who were exaggeratedly portraying yourselves as the victims of "genocide" and "aggression" by serbian hand.

given that in the aftermath we all have learned that not more than 3000 persons were killed in the ´99 conflict including both sides, it makes the impression that someone has been lying. oh...sorry, I wanted to write "crying", of course.

1. " Serbs in Kosovo have rights..." which rights I ask you? Yes, "on paper" Serbian language is one of official languages in Kosovo, can someone tell me how it is in practice, in real life? Is there any school or faculty in Pristina where Serbs can attend classes in " OFFICIAL" language? Please, those so called " rights" are dead letter on paper, stuck in the drow and that's it and those who look at things reallisticaly shall confirm it. As far as " hanging national flag" in Preseovo and Bujanovac. Hey, move to USE and then try to hang Albanian flag there. You would be arrested immediatelly and do u know why? BECAUSE U DONT LIVE IN ALBANIA BUT USA. Serbian army is provoking, my God what a statement... I guess that the army is not allowed to even patrol on its own territory because the Albanians are very sensetive creatues and everything that is done in Serbia is hurting them. 2. The majority in Prsevo and Bujanovac are Albanians and as far as employment they are majority as well. It is lie that Serbs dont give them job etc. I am tired of listening how poor Albanians are and how big victims they are. Look at truth in the eyes, the next conflicts are them not Macedonians, Greeks nor Serbs. It is all part of a big plan, and unfortunatelly their " narco" mafia is kicking and bribing. Organized crime was born somewhere else but in Kosovo it is growing and reaching old age by now. May God help us all and save us all from lies and victims such as poor Albanians.

Why can't they be allowed to live normally with a reasonable standard of living and in relative peace with each other?
(bganon, 18 May 2010 16:59)
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Now at "-41", that's really pathetic. I xhink - you ghot çe ansvërr to your qështion.

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Ataman, before rushing to defend "bganon" you should know that 90% of what he peddels is pro-otporista stuff and every now and then, a small token for credibility and the serbian cause.

Hence his low-rated posts, people are obviously not stupid.
(Mimas, 18 May 2010 20:07)

The problem is that than either the majority of bloggers of Serbian-language part are similar "otporists" (I can understand quite a bit what is written there, but not perfectly by any means) or that certain eTrolls (should I say "AL-Trolls"?) target by intent the people who try to make their point rather the people who exclaim. The reason is that IMO people like bganon are MORE DANGEROUS from an "AL-Troll" point of view than just who merely say: "CCCC, Kosovo je Srbija !!!" (three exclamation signs including). One of the ways for a "troller" to win a verbal battle is to make the "target" lose temper and "negative" comments are one of the little means to achieve that.

Imagine the mindset of somebody who makes no comment on the issue but comes here to accuse somebody of belonging to an organisation that no longer exists!

Ataman its not important to impress people who don't truly care or know about Kosovo.

Too bad that I always challenge people like this 'Mimas' (and his 5 IP addresses) to debate me and too bad that they always retreat!

To the Serbian panel let me put in a different way my previous comment.

The Serbian minority in northern Kosovo/a should enjoy exactely the same rights as to those rights enjoyed by the Albanian minority living in Presevo/a, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Does that make more sense to you?

"You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history."
PRN

Why don't you provide us with liks to those millions and millions of sites with albanian history in Kosovo? BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY! Your history in Kosovo dates back 60-70 years.
(Mikael C)
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I already called him out on this one, I am still waiting on this "hisotric-facts" he continues to speak of. PRN's imagination seems to exceed reality.

Thanks to us, I think he is becoming aware now.

When will Croats and Serbs figure out who the real enemy is??

True Path Party has a "shura council" and the party defends it as "it is the application of sharia law that is currently applied in the Islamic Republic of Iran." The party's political tendency has been criticized particularly Serbs and Croats in the country.

Some Serbian journalists argue Turkey with recently changed its Balkan policy, could give financial support for the party.

Truly don't think that silly comments are worth talking about.

What strikes me is that over a decade after NATO bombardment and UDI there has been so little progress in Kosovo.

I find this depressing for everybody concerned, I really do.

We have all messed up on this, admittedly some more than others, but we are continuing to fail Kosovo and its people.

For that reason I truly hope that no matter what the decision at the ICJ, that we sit down and make some progress.

Personally I am unaffected by what happens in Kosovo, I can sit it out forever, its just my heart goes out to all the people there.

Why can't they be allowed to live normally with a reasonable standard of living and in relative peace with each other?

“Kosovo partition difficult to realize”

Well I agree with that comment.

Lets partition Serbia (further) then. This is the ONLY formula for peace and prosperity in the Balkans.

After all nearly half of Balkans is Albania (but provisionally govern by occupying forces)

Remember KOsovo + 90% (of) Serbia = ALBANIA

We are heading there. Patient factor is crucial at this stage.

U.S. diplomatic offices and other Kosovo independence proponents expect that the “non-obligatory opinion” of the ICJ will be one that each side will be able to use to support its position, says Beta.

Kosova/o will be in much better position than Serbia, since Serbia was the one taking the case to ICJ,knowing fully that;this is an advisory opinin and will not have any bearing in CDI. Even if the opinion of ICJ goes in favor of Serbia(very unlikely), Kosova/o is in better position.

PRN - Do you really believe that stuff? Or are you just pretending to be so ill-informed and trying to be provocative?
(kate, 18 May 2010 12:12)

Kate,

You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history.

I love how some are arguing that the US has failed to stabilize the Balkans. The United States intervention in the Balkans is one of the most successful interventions since WWII. They are NOT going any where. Kosovo has the most coal per square foot than any other sate and the Albanians are over-the-top loyal to America. So long as Serbia does not recognize Kosovo's sovereignty, their will be NATO forces watching the borders and skies.

PRN - Do you really believe that stuff? Or are you just pretending to be so ill-informed and trying to be provocative?

PRN,

Albania wasn't a country before the end of WWI so Albania has no legitimate claim to Kosovo. I also believe that Albania doesn't want merge with Kosovo but it is the other way around. Kosovo is throwing itself at Albania but Albania doesn’t have any real interest. I haven't seen a real Albanian here, not an ethnic Albanian from Kosovo, who has advocated the merger of Albania with Kosovo. I think the idea of a "Greater Albania" is Kosovo folklore. The real Albanians don't seem to care for their country-folk brethren so you might want to be more realistic in your comments.

One solution that “could lead to stability” would be “true autonomy “ for the Serbs in northern Kosovo, with a “much more secure status for Serbs in (central) Kosovo enclaves”, says the report..."

To simplify the issue, same rights for Kosovo/s Serbs in Kosovo/a to the rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.

Why can't they be allowed to live normally with a reasonable standard of living and in relative peace with each other?
(bganon, 18 May 2010 16:59)
Recommend (+2) Poor comment (-13)

Because you already got 13 negative comments to your otherwise excellent post - and the number will grow for sure. These "negatives" are self-incriminating.

So, every time they mention the serb enclaves,they [serbs and the internationals] forget about Presevo valley, which is the same issue in essence...also, strange how they acuse Kosovo gov of being corrupt when Unmik steals 400G euros from the budget on one side, and Beograd steals as much annualy from the energy production due to old system [the funny part is that stealing here is considered purely legitimate]...yet corruption, unemployment and poverty are grave problems in Kosovo, but so are in other balkan countries, greece for example, plus there is no evidence that the economical situation in Kosovo was much better during serb and yugoslav administration, as the official facts are that Kosovo had always been the poorest unit in jugoslavija...

PRN - Do you really believe that stuff? Or are you just pretending to be so ill-informed and trying to be provocative?
(kate, 18 May 2010 12:12)
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Kate, they are provocative due to their frustration. Isn't it obvious?

Just read the article and you can see Kosovo is going nowhere. The status-quo remains and the PRNs, robertos and other ultra nationalists are simply frustrated. Their independence dream has failed and all they can do is throw a tantrum.

Here is my suggestion to these people. Check http://jorgeguerra.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/pacifier.jpg

" Officials from countries that have not recognize Kosovo believe that the fact that the unilateral proclamation represents a violation of international law, the UN Charter and decisions of the UNSC was the main reason why so many important countries in the world do not wish to recognize the proclamation, the news agency writes.

The report adds that those countries are “also stressing the fact that the unilaterally proclaimed independence has not brought stability to Kosovo, or the region”.

Those are not facts but opinions!

Looks like the supporters of the illegal take over of Kosovo will do what they can to prevent Serbia from taking back what is legaly theirs. Anyway, it seems like the world is also realizing its misstakes in Kosovo. The report on Kosovo corruption and lack of minority rights are all caused by the UDI. Albanians have shown that they are not capable of running a society without involving maffia methodes. Partitioning Kosovo, status quo, is the only way forward for both.

I can't believe all commentators commenting PRN. You can obviously see is just provoking with outrageous claims and still everyone falls for it. Ignore the troll and he will dissapear into the abyss with the rest of the Albanians in Kosovo.

Anyhow the whole world knows that Kosovo is Albania.
(PRN, 18 May 2010, 10:42)

Whoel world? That is being a bit (well, alot crazy). I would say that the only people who think Kosovo is Albania are a few crazy ethnic Albanian nationalists in Kosovo. Most moderates in Kosovo do not think this, nor do Albanians in Albania.

This is why AKSH was so unpopular, then and now.

don´t take this little PRN too serious!

I think even a person of his level knows at least that this is only pubertal gossip.

it seems like some young k-albanian kiddies still haven´t realized that they are quite weak if there is no NATO around to "protect" them against "evil" Serbia.

fact is, as soon as the foreign occupiers leave, kids like PRN will be much more quiet than at the moment.

and don´t believe NATO will stay forever... =)

Serbia will prevail, just a question of time.

LOL, what´s he talking about ???

partition is a fact since occupation, frozen conflict a fact since "udi", future status is also clear, within serbia.

maybe this is realy too complicated for eu-apperatchiks, but generaly it isn´t soo complicated at all.

eusa are broke, they need their occupation troops.

they can phantasize about an republic kosovo and get an happy end like when leaving occupied south-vietnam/saigon.

it was a bit hasty then, wasn´t it ?

or they can regulate the end of occupation an look good on tv.

one way or the other, serbia will get what is hers and it wants.

Comment: "Remember KOsovo + 90% (of) Serbia = ALBANIA
We are heading there. Patient factor is crucial at this stage.
(PRN, 18 May 2010 11:51)(EoC)

In this way, you are not able to solve any problem on Balkan. But its your living ground and your choice.You will to stay the next century in a covered war and steal your children their future.
I pray your politicans will become more clever, but i have a lot of doubts.

"You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history.
(PRN, 18 May 2010 14:42)"

Wow! Such a profound concpet -- "historical common sense" -- Professor PRN, do you care to elaborate further to intellectually challenged people on B92 as to what this is all about? Care also to share some your sacred "international sources"? Thanks in advance!

To simplify the issue, same rights for Kosovo/s Serbs in Kosovo/a to the rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
EA

Presevo is not on the negotiating table. At least albanians there don't need NATO protections to go to the market, their graveyards are not being destroyed and they are not being shot at. And who are you to speak for albanians in Presevo? They are doing much better then they would in Kosovo or Albania. I don't hear them complain. Neither Kosovo nor Presevo is for sale! It has always been Serbia and it will always remain Serbian. Those who don't like it can move back to their country of origin.

Trying to get a new UNSC resolution is america's last desparate attempt to, somehow, "justify" its failed Balkan policies of the last 25 years. For some strange reason, american diplomats think that, if one part of their foreign policy is invalidated, the whole foreign policy is trashed. I always said that america would rather spend itself into bankruptcy and risk global war than to be exposed as "being wrong". It is america's meglomaniacal ego that curses the world today.

The fact that they are even talking about partition means only one thing..
Serbia will have control over Kosovo one way or the other.
Internationals failed leaps and bounds,and we are the only ones who know how to deal with the problems on Serbian land..

The only time you can use state and Kosovo in the same sentence, is state of confusion. The nation building that the US/EU attempted to do with Serbia's southern province has not succeeded. Kosovo under Albanian rule is a catastrophe. Like the realistic, non-supporters of America's Balkan project say, Kosovo is now a corrupt, dirty, crime-infested, mafia-run territory with absolutely no future. Let's wait and see how the US wiggles out of this embarrassing failure, but as always, tries to save face. It will be entertaining to watch. Unfortunately the US seldom takes into account that human lives are involved in their projects - just ask the Iraqis and Afghanis.

"Those are not facts but opinions!
(nikshala, 18 May 2010 15:23)"

Why can't people's opinions be based on facts? If I have an opinion that someone is sick because he is coughing and sneezing badly, am I not likely to be right in my opinion?

In any case, like it or not, the opinions of countries will shape their decisions.

Valon, Obama hates coal, and the US is looking for alternative, and cleaner fuel to use. If you are banking on coal being Kosova's meal ticket, you will remain hungry. And BTW, I strongly believe that the US will abandon the Balkans, it cannot afford it anymore.

PRN, the very laws of physics would have to be violated to the point of being sodomized for anyone to attribute "historical common sense" to anything you write.

Especially since a previous gem posted by you was "KOsovo + 90% (of) Serbia = ALBANIA
We are heading there."

You're a funny little boy.

Serbia built a military base in Bujanov recently, violating the kumanova pact, but the main issue is that it is a direct provocation to the local population there, who only 9 years ago picked up the guns against opression...also, each 28 of novemeber , on our national flag day, the presevo valley is terrorized by the patroling of hundreds of military vehicles...that is a psychologycal opression. Not to mention that the albanian diplomas are not reckognised in serbia, rejecting so job oppurtunites for the albanians there...If serbs consider north mitrovica as theirs, and attempt to anex it...Kosovo will have to do the same with Presevo valley...

Albanians in Kosovo changed their flag, their anthem, disbanded UCK, gave to serbs their own municipalites , and the serbian language is official alongside Albanian and english, practically the serb minority is the only superminority in the balkans... recently Albanian foreign ministry gave away 400k euros to serb municipalites and guaranteed them further assistance...what does beograd do? built more military pases around Kosovo...and don't talk about churches, they are not even serbian apart from a couple or four, mostly are romanesque built long before serbs and slavs in general flooded the balkans ...i wonder how come yugoslav communists didn't destroy worship buildings, in Albania they did, yet no one has been crying .

So what we come away with from this article is the main reason behind Kosovo-UNMIK's stalled process is the desperate stonewalling by its strongest proponents for independence because they seem to have no other recourse or solution to a problem they started. By actually thinking drawing an arbitrary boundary line between Serbia and its southern province would solve all of the Balkan's regional issues of instability and bring peace, love, harmony and cookies to all, Western officials have only exacerbated problems. Two years into this pet project we find that Belgrade is far more tenacious than many expected (and I find hard to realize since Serbs have NEVER displayed ANY desire to cooperate with outside powers bent on their subjugation). This just goes to show the poverty of putting state-building in the hands of bureaucrats whose only exposure to Southeaster Europe was through reading secondary source material written by agenda setting journalists with no command of the local languages nor any understanding of historical legacies beyond the time they entered the region to do their interviewing.

Now we're talking about giving the same amount of "substantial autonomy" to the K-Serbs as was offered to the K-Albanians. And I have to ask why? Why should the K-Serbs be given substantial autonomy in an independent Kosovo when the so-called state institutions of said "country" have never exerted any legitimate control over these people? Why is it that the Western stonewallers are so hesitant to break up what they see as an indivisible territory that never existed as an entity in history? Moreover, why should we attach K-Serb municipalities to a “state” that is recognized by EULEX as plagued with “organized crime and corruption in all government structures” that have contributed to the “failing economic and social situation”, all of which were brought on by the “independence extorted by the (ethnic) Albanian government in Priština”? I mean this is as damning an indictment as any to be attached to such a state.

If the K-Albanian leadership want to continue running their parastate into the ground, by all means let them do it. But leave the Serb sectors under Belgrade’s authority. Pristina put all its hopes on an increasingly impotent Washington that can only talk big but offer no definitive solutions.

Little late for the EU to hope that the Kosovo status will not become a frozen conflict - it already is. Until the US drops it's might is right approach, nothing will change in Kosovo for generations. America's meddling in the Balkans is another example of why it should stay out of regional conflicts that don't concern her. The US is very good at starting something, but like an impotent lover, cannot finish.

"You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history."
PRN

Why don't you provide us with liks to those millions and millions of sites with albanian history in Kosovo? BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY! Your history in Kosovo dates back 60-70 years.

Ataman, before rushing to defend "bganon" you should know that 90% of what he peddels is pro-otporista stuff and every now and then, a small token for credibility and the serbian cause.

Hence his low-rated posts, people are obviously not stupid.

EA,
What's wrong with the rights of Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja? Don't they have rights for free movement, right to speak (in Albanian, as well), right to vote, property rights, etc.?
What rights are you talking about?

Ballisti

There is corruption in other balkan states but Kosovo is the ultimate corruption territory. Albanians don't know how to run a society (look at Albania). Also all you do is complain by saying there is corruption everywhere. For the love of God DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Everyone has white schengen except Kosovo and Albania. Why do you think that is?
Albanians are beyond rescue since you don't take responsibility and admit to your weaknesses.

To simplify the issue, same rights for Kosovo/s Serbs in Kosovo/a to the rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
(EA, 18 May 2010 20:44)
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Are you talking about the right to get a uni degree in their own languge too just like the Albanians have?
No need for NATO escort to church (sorry in your case mosque) and school. Not being stoned or shot at and cemeteries left alone.
No power cuts and no telecommunications cut.
Do you call this fair treatment or abuse?

Actually that's exactly what the Albanians in Kosovo had for a very, very long time and yet still not happy. Still decided to torment and terrorise the Serbs and kill Serbian police thus provoking a war.

To the Serbian panel let me put in a different way my previous comment.

The Serbian minority in northern Kosovo/a should enjoy exactely the same rights as to those rights enjoyed by the Albanian minority living in Presevo/a, Bujanovc and Medvegja. Does that make more sense to you?

You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history.
(PRN)
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Provide these reading materials that insist exist.

To simplify the issue, same rights for Kosovo/s Serbs in Kosovo/a to the rights enjoyed by Albanians living in Presevo, Bujanovc and Medvegja.
(EA)
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Are you so ashamed of your Albanian heritage that you must go out and seek a new one?

(ballisti, 19 May 2010 03:43)
As far as Presevo valley is concerned when you Albanians are ready you can take it if you can, ha, ha, ha. But this time no help from NATO you must do it yourself. I can see the jackass brigades charging into the valley.
Now you get to the nub of the problem “albanian diplomas are not reckognised in serbia, rejecting so job oppurtunites for the albanians”. This is only the beginning for you Albanians because as Serbia develops its industries no jobs in Serbia for you. You people are going to disappear slowly from Kosovo.
If the so called Kosovo Government gave “400k euros to serb municipalites and guaranteed them further assistance” why has it not provided jobs to your people?
Your so called Kosovo government could not give a loaf of bread away if they were not receiving aid on a vast scale from the EU/US.

“…and don't talk about churches, they are not even serbian apart from a couple or four, mostly are romanesque built long before serbs and slavs in general flooded the Balkans”.

This part must be in the history books from that special Albanian library – history that no one else has heard about. You know how Albanians are Illyrians and have been there for thousands of years, but there is no real proof; not even a cave painting.
I would not worry too much about Serb churches; they were built by Serbs not by Albanians from a parallel universe. The architectural style is called Byzantine and is followed to this day through the world wherever Serbs build their churches. Byzantines are the Roman Empire but in the east – Constantinople.
“Albanians in Kosovo changed their flag, their anthem, disbanded UCK”
What were you fighting for if you changed all this? It only shows how people like you cannot see that you were used. As you Albanians claim that Kosovo will join with Albania; ask the EU when it will be able to do so. If they answer differently from NEVER come back and tell me.

Well even the yugoslav communists could see the cultural value in these Serbian churches plus there would be no Tito if they did that, but if your people did not value their culture why would you cry if the Albanian communist destroyed your mosques.

“Kosovo partition difficult to realize”

Serbia is willing to overlook a partition ;)

ballisti

I don't know where you get your information from but it's feeding you lies. Serbs being a superminority! Are you kidding me? Its one thing to promise something on paper but another to actually make it function. How many of the 250.000 Serbs have returned to Kosovo? Serbs are still being shot at and harrassed and refused a return to their homes. Serbs still have their cemetaries desecrated and they live in ghettoes except for in norht Kosovo. You should be ashamed to suggest that these are the lives of a "superminority". You are just full of bs. Albanians under Milosevic had a better life then Serbs under the current albanian administration in Pristina. I call upon all Kosovo Serbs to trust only Belgrade and their own kind.

1. " Serbs in Kosovo have rights..." which rights I ask you? Yes, "on paper" Serbian language is one of official languages in Kosovo, can someone tell me how it is in practice, in real life? Is there any school or faculty in Pristina where Serbs can attend classes in " OFFICIAL" language? Please, those so called " rights" are dead letter on paper, stuck in the drow and that's it and those who look at things reallisticaly shall confirm it. As far as " hanging national flag" in Preseovo and Bujanovac. Hey, move to USE and then try to hang Albanian flag there. You would be arrested immediatelly and do u know why? BECAUSE U DONT LIVE IN ALBANIA BUT USA. Serbian army is provoking, my God what a statement... I guess that the army is not allowed to even patrol on its own territory because the Albanians are very sensetive creatues and everything that is done in Serbia is hurting them. 2. The majority in Prsevo and Bujanovac are Albanians and as far as employment they are majority as well. It is lie that Serbs dont give them job etc. I am tired of listening how poor Albanians are and how big victims they are. Look at truth in the eyes, the next conflicts are them not Macedonians, Greeks nor Serbs. It is all part of a big plan, and unfortunatelly their " narco" mafia is kicking and bribing. Organized crime was born somewhere else but in Kosovo it is growing and reaching old age by now. May God help us all and save us all from lies and victims such as poor Albanians.

Why can't they be allowed to live normally with a reasonable standard of living and in relative peace with each other?
(bganon, 18 May 2010 16:59)
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Now at "-41", that's really pathetic. I xhink - you ghot çe ansvërr to your qështion.

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Ataman, before rushing to defend "bganon" you should know that 90% of what he peddels is pro-otporista stuff and every now and then, a small token for credibility and the serbian cause.

Hence his low-rated posts, people are obviously not stupid.
(Mimas, 18 May 2010 20:07)

The problem is that than either the majority of bloggers of Serbian-language part are similar "otporists" (I can understand quite a bit what is written there, but not perfectly by any means) or that certain eTrolls (should I say "AL-Trolls"?) target by intent the people who try to make their point rather the people who exclaim. The reason is that IMO people like bganon are MORE DANGEROUS from an "AL-Troll" point of view than just who merely say: "CCCC, Kosovo je Srbija !!!" (three exclamation signs including). One of the ways for a "troller" to win a verbal battle is to make the "target" lose temper and "negative" comments are one of the little means to achieve that.

Imagine the mindset of somebody who makes no comment on the issue but comes here to accuse somebody of belonging to an organisation that no longer exists!

Ataman its not important to impress people who don't truly care or know about Kosovo.

Too bad that I always challenge people like this 'Mimas' (and his 5 IP addresses) to debate me and too bad that they always retreat!

ballisti wrote " no one yet has been crying"... =)

well then, if the K-albanians are not known for whining, how comes that the western occupiers used the footage of crying, overweighted mummies with crying children in their hands to justify their illegal aggression agains a sovereign european state in 1999?

you know, it´s been just you who were exaggeratedly portraying yourselves as the victims of "genocide" and "aggression" by serbian hand.

given that in the aftermath we all have learned that not more than 3000 persons were killed in the ´99 conflict including both sides, it makes the impression that someone has been lying. oh...sorry, I wanted to write "crying", of course.

When will Croats and Serbs figure out who the real enemy is??

True Path Party has a "shura council" and the party defends it as "it is the application of sharia law that is currently applied in the Islamic Republic of Iran." The party's political tendency has been criticized particularly Serbs and Croats in the country.

Some Serbian journalists argue Turkey with recently changed its Balkan policy, could give financial support for the party.

"You as 'English' may not be so well read about historical common sense. Read history from international sources you will thank me for enlighting you about Balkan history."
PRN

Why don't you provide us with liks to those millions and millions of sites with albanian history in Kosovo? BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY! Your history in Kosovo dates back 60-70 years.
(Mikael C)
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I already called him out on this one, I am still waiting on this "hisotric-facts" he continues to speak of. PRN's imagination seems to exceed reality.

Thanks to us, I think he is becoming aware now.