Sejdiu: Kosovo in Sarajevo “only as state”

“It is unacceptable for us to participate under a sign that says ‘Kosovo-UNMIK’ or with ties to UN Resolution 1244, which is what Serbia wants,” Sejdiu said, adding that Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries and that “Serbia wants to overlook that fact”.

What a child, a petulent little child. How about Kosovo-UNMIK overlooking the fact that over 100 countries HAVEN'T recognized it, apparently stupidity reigns supreme in this pseudo-state.

“It is unacceptable for us to participate under a sign that says ‘Kosovo-UNMIK’ or with ties to UN Resolution 1244, which is what Serbia wants,” Sejdiu said, adding that Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries and that “Serbia wants to overlook that fact”.

NO'D - Really, that little fact is called international law, read UN Resolution 1244 and the Helsinki Agreement. Poor Fatmir, try as you might but you cannot overlook that fact.

As for the opinion of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) regarding the legality of the Kosovo Albanian unilaterally proclaimed independence, Sejdiu said that he was “convinced that no court can pass a decision that will go against the will of the people”.

NO'D - wanna bet. Be prepared to be very disappointed.

“The arguments we sent the court are irrefutable. The arguments that our partners in Germany, France, Great Britain and other countries sent to the ICJ are also arguments that support the recognition of Kosovo’s independence,”

NO'D - Ok so the arguments of France, Germany, the Brits holds greater weight than that of Spain, Agrentina or China. What absolute tosh. More nonsense aimed at placating an increasingly impatient domestic audience. Regarding your irrefutable arguments, well let me refer you to my first point, international law, ah yes 1244 again. What's that magic number again Fatmir?

Ian,UK - For someone who is supposedly from the UK you seem to be having trouble interpreting what Sedjui said. Read the piece again and you'll see that it doesn't contradict what Jeremic said.

“We will participate only if the conditions are the same for us as they are for all other countries. If every country is represented with state symbols, we will participate,” the Kosovo Albanian president said.

-- It's funny Sejdiu says this since most ordinary K-Albanians don't even know what Kosovo's "official" state symbols are, or care for them. They continue to fly the flag of Albania.

And as far as K-Serbs are concerned "official" symbols are the Republic of Serbia, so unless Sejdiu's representing only the Pristina-based municipalities, he should be aware of the insensitivity he's showing towards the Serb minority using symbols they don't identify with.

Anything "official" for Kosovo seems to have been approved by some outside power with little to no legitimate recognition by Kosovo's "citizens".

Ian UK: "So Jeremic has proven to be a liar yet again. Yesterday he said the complete opposite to what Sejdiu has said today."

So what makes you think that it is Vuk who is lying?

“The arguments we sent the court are irrefutable. The arguments that our partners in Germany, France, Great Britain and other countries sent to the ICJ are also arguments that support the recognition of Kosovo’s independence.”

The very same arguments will be their undoing. It is actually laughable that despite the weight of supposedly 'more powerful' countries, try as they might the pro-independence argument falls flat on its face.

There is no legal argument to mitigate unilaterally declaring independence when part of a sovereign state and an international protectorate.

It's particularly ironic that the very court approached for its advisory belongs to the same UN body administering the province and guaranteeing Serbia's territorial integrity.

If the ICJ finds that the UDI was legal then it is not only giving the green light to separatists around the world, but it is also spitting in the face of international law and its very own structure and procedures.

Despite any pressures, they will have to find that the UDI was illegal for their own sake and that of international law and security.

Kosovo is a province of Serbia, but he wants to overlook that fact.

Serbia should be the only representative of Kosovo at the state level.

1244 is in the breach - the udi is not autonomy in the terms that were signed for.

Pristina can operate as an autonomous entity in terms of 1244 and Serbia can treat it as such.

I would like to see Serbia properly representing all the people of Kosovo.

The mono-ethnic Albanian take-over should be stopped in its tracks.

“We will participate only if the conditions are the same for us as they are for all other countries. If every country is represented with state symbols, we will participate,” the Kosovo Albanian president said.

My friend, Kosovo *IS* not a state. So it can not be represented as such.

Or can California say: we want to be represented as a country?

Or Scotland? Or Kurdistan? Or Tibet? Or ....

Stop the nonsense. And stop wasting Western tax money. Thanks in advance!

So Jeremic has proven to be a liar yet again. Yesterday he said the complete opposite to what Sejdiu has said today.

“It is unacceptable for us to participate under a sign that says ‘Kosovo-UNMIK’ or with ties to UN Resolution 1244, which is what Serbia wants,” Sejdiu said, adding that Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries and that “Serbia wants to overlook that fact”.
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What kind of politician does he claim to be?

His own masters in Washington even recognize RES; 1244, and he chooses to ignore it? Great diplomatic skills, concidering its coming from a monkey of a diplomat.

He states Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries, and that Serbia ignores that fact... well sir the fact that 67 have recognized you is EXACTLY the point. While the rest of the world DOESN'T recognize you, duhh.

Remember; Your position doesn't exist on the global-front. Mr. Zannier will be holding your hand throughout the meeting, while you sit there silently. This is what has been agreed upon, and you have no say whatsoever.

So Jeremic has proven to be a liar yet again. Yesterday he said the complete opposite to what Sejdiu has said today.
(Ian)
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Sejdu isn't even a politician, you take his word over Vuk's?

"What's that magic number again Fatmir?
(Niall O'Doherty,"
Common Niall, whould you really care whats the possition of Lybia orChina and north Korea on your country, as far as freedom and the will of the people is concerned?
Were is your logic?
You are just being racist of saying that Kosovars should not be asked about their fate becouse China might get hurt, or a dictator might not like it?
Kosovo is in Europe sir, no matter how many atachments you got in asia africa and what not. :D

The corrected text is as follows......“It is unacceptable for Serbia to allow an Albanian governed Kosovo to participate under a sign that says nothing but ‘Kosovo-UNMIK’ and must have ties to UN Resolution 1244, which is Serbia's right,” Sejdiu said, adding that Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries, but not by 150 or so, and that “Serbia will not overlook that fact”. Like Hillary "misspoke about Bosnia, Sejdiu misspoke about Kosovo, it happens.

Can somebody explain to me why we are back to State symbols, etc.? Jeremic started with that yesterday and I ignored it, because Vuk well famous for his Nonsenses. But seeing Seidjiu pulling the same string today tells me that somebody lied. What happened with the Gymnich Format?? Already burried?
(Adam)
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The answer to that is very simple. Every international meeting contains state symbols for representation. The fact that the Kosovo officials "claim" that they're independant, why should the rules change for them?... these officials are insignificant people politically. Serbia is Serbia, Spain is Spain, kosovo is (apparently), Lamberto Zannier.

So there you have it, the Land of Lamerto Zannier will be present along side, holding hands with Sejdu.

Can somebody explain to me why we are back to State symbols, etc.? Jeremic started with that yesterday and I ignored it, because Vuk well famous for his Nonsenses. But seeing Seidjiu pulling the same string today tells me that somebody lied. What happened with the Gymnich Format?? Already burried?

Well, one thing is absolutely certain - and that is the EU and US have made a complete mess of the Balkans once again. At least pre-UDI we had an agreement where all groups could participate but now we are more divided than ever.

Poor Kosovo, which holds on stupid protocols because its counterpart does so... leave this stupid games thus we've got plenty of work to do!

Dear Sejdiu,

Kosovo separatist's presence in that Sarajevo conference is not that important. Therefore you are not needed there.
Study your geography Fatmir because France, Germany, UK & the US are not the UN.

"If the ICJ finds that the UDI was legal then it is not only giving the green light to separatists around the world, but it is also spitting in the face of international law and its very own structure and procedures."

Kate,

Why you are taking the role of ICJ? Courts in a democratic society are independent from any government interference.

Rest assured that Serbia has never intention to honour the ICJ opinion and I doubt you will.

So why should the Albanians honour it? Do you get my point?

Serbia purely wanted to gain time to stop further recognition of Kosovo/a independence. I haven't got the slightest doubt that Kosovo/a will never return under Serbia's sovereignity. It is just NOT REALISTIC to keep it simple.

Why is Vuk insisting Zannier attend? Is he suggesting that Serbia might recognize Kosovo in the future? Kosovo is being represented by Serbia! No need for Zannier to attend.

Read mu lips
"ONLY AS STATE.
And thank you very much IRAQ
my next "short holiday" is in Bagdad.
(Rocky, 17 May 2010 21:34)

This is the Albos in the so called Kosovo Government beating their chests and nothing more. All show for the local consumption, like cheap washing detergent, all froth and bubble on top nothing underneath.

If you next holiday is going to be in Iraq I can guarantee you it will be short. Don’t believe everything the US tells you – they are still losing troops every time they leave their compounds.

dear Bleron,

I must admit it´s hard not to call this "president"- since he isn´t even capable of speaking english in front of an international audience...

although he calls himself an intellectual.

but, he may see himself as a president if it pleases him...

fact is:
he´s not really to be taken serious.

and that´s the bottom-line you should have gotten while reading the comments here...

I ask myself whether you have thought the same when some k-albanian kiddies have been writing their wishful thinking, ..or let´s rather call it illusions, like "the one and only superpower USA"...being the only one who has the power to regulate the misunderstanding between Serbs and K-albanians.

this kind of illusion is it that makes the living conditions for the K-albanians so difficult, these days.

that´s something you should see, I think.

Serbia does not have the financial resources to rebuild what they have destroyed so the international community would be asked to step in, only this time having 70% of the funding siphoned off in "processing fees" by the Serbian govt.
(Get real, 17 May 2010 22:35)
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Why don't you do as your name implies?
NATO destroyed, not Serbia. When is NATO going to rebuild what they destroyed?

How do you know how much money is going where? Are you part of the Serbian treasury?

EA: Courts in a democratic society are independent from any government interference.

i'm going to assume that you'd accept us system as a democratic society.
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The division of state and federal government into three independent branches.
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The first three articles of the U.S. Constitution call for the powers of the federal government to be divided among three separate branches: the legislative, the executive, and the judiciary branch.
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Under the separation of powers, each branch of government has a specific function. The legislative branch—the Congress—makes the laws. The executive branch—the president—implements the laws. The judiciary—the court system—interprets the laws and decides legal controversies.
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Most judges are appointed, and therefore Congress and the president can affect the judiciary.
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so to make it crystal clear...
courts in a democratic society are part of the government, and as such are subject to all the interfering it wants to do upon itself.

“only if participants are represented with full state symbols”.

Then don't participate.

Bleron:

The albanian minority in Kosovo have been offered a very high level of autonomy and participating in internation meetings is part of that. They would of course not represent Kosovo, but rather the albanian minority in Serbia (possibly only the kosovo-albanian population)

In essence, kosovo-albanians being represented internationally have nothing to do with Kosovo, but only the albanian population there. They basically have the right to govern themselves, very much like the Sami people in northern scandinavia.

Charli:

You seem to disregard why a country's Sovereignty needs to be respected in the first place, without protected borders territorial conflict would spring everywere. I also get the feeling that you assume that the conflict in Kosovo is something that has started relatively recently?

A lot of westerners seem to be under that impression actually "Milosevic started killing for no reason" etc etc but the truth is that it's much much older than that. Of course I'm only assuming that you do not already know this but the fact that you repeatedly use the name "Milosovic" suggests to me that you aren't very knowledgable on the subject.

I'm not trying to absolve anyone of anything here I'm just saying that it isn't "both immature and unrealistic (even immoral)" for serbs to wish, and argue for, the preservation of our state.

Kosovo in Sarajevo “only as state.
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Read mu lips
"ONLY AS STATE.
And thank you very much IRAQ
my next "short holiday" is in Bagdad.

Kate--I have to disagree with you and others over the concept of "sovereignty." It is a complicated concept. Literally, it springs from "the right of the king" after the Hundred Year's War and to stop the constant warring in Europe. At that point, it did mean, whatever the king of a country said or chose (particularly with religion) was sovereign or immune. Small countries were given the same protection as large ones to end the bloodshed.

That idea has become more problematic, especially after WWII. The whole world witnessed what happens when a ruler is considered sovereign or "hands off." The ramifications of bad rulers impact everyone geographically, economically, and socially. It is both immature and unrealistic (even immoral) to not expect other countries to get involved when atrocities occur. Milosovic and his ilk are such atrocites.

Is it fair when the US gets away with crap and bombing Iraq and such? No. Such is the world. But the US being wrong does not absolve Milosovic and people who supported him. And the fact that Mladic is still free (even a hero to some) does not help matters.

In contemporary thought, a government and their rulers are given their power by the people. The underlying social contract is that they protect their citizens and rule to the larger good. If not, their sovereignty is "pierced." Self-determination and identity are critical to contemporary "sovereignty."

Is this complicated and open to argument? Of course, that is why it is before the ICJ.

There will probably be no councils until the ICJ comes back with an official decision. If it goes against Serbia, almost everyone of any significance will then vote for Kosovo's independence. Yes, I know Russia, China, and Spain will still hold out for their own reasons. Whatever, the argument will be over. Personally, I think it is already over.

Sad thing, average Serbians still lose valuable time. It has been over 20 years since the Wall came down. Slovenia is doing great. Croatia is moving along. Montenegro bailed. Even Bulgaria and Romania are on track. All you have to do is look at a map of Europe and the EU to see how isolated Serbia has become.

I do not think this is what most Serbs want for themselves or their children. Unfortunately, the rabble is driving the bus and Tadic cowers in the back.

And you think reuniting Kosovo would save the West money??
Serbia does not have the financial resources to rebuild what they have destroyed so the international community would be asked to step in, only this time having 70% of the funding siphoned off in "processing fees" by the Serbian govt.
(Get real, 17 May 2010 22:35)

Reuniting Kosovo is not as silly as it sounds, but think for a moment; Kosovo has had 11 years of freedom, then how much has the international community spent on the people in Kosovo that does not involve controlling what happens on the ground i.e security etc., and how much to date has it spent on infrastructure and improving living standards? I know the answer, do you?

mr fatmir ...BiH ( the country that the conference is being held in)does not recognize kosovo as an independent country..BiH will not suspend their laws in order for a non exsistant state to act as if they were a country ... in case u forgot 2/3 of the worlds countries would not allow u to represnt yourself as a country either !!

It is very insightful for me to read both the opinions of Serbs and Albanians. However it becomes hard to overlook at the facts that most of the Serbian posters are becoming very angry and childish themselves calling Sejdiu a monkey, a child etc etc because at this point the opinions become unreadable as if they were written by a bunch of teenagers with no real, decent argument in themselves.

Anyway, I would like to write on the issue related to the article and some of the comments here.

If, just like most of you say, Kosovo = 1244, then answer me this; Why is Kosovo taking part in this thing in the first place. Doesn't res. 1244 say that Kosovo is part of Serbia, however in one way or another Kosovo is taking part in Sarajevo which clearly outlines the fact that it is not part of Serbia (isn't this what all the fuss is about!?), and Serbia has no control over Kosovo. This is why Serbs casting their opinions on here are trying to overlook at this fact by creating arguments such as "UNMIK will represent Kosovo". So what that Kosovo is represented under the name of UNMIK, one way or another it is being involved, it is doing something that a country can do. It is being involved/taking part in a conference where only countries can take part, this is something totally different to what res: 1244 or Serbs are tying to achieve.

See with so much uncompromising and stubborn attitude before even the talks begin you can tell that they will be just a waste of time.

Serbia should decide not to go because nothing productive for Serbia will be the outcome. Further, the non-Serbs never uphold any of their agreements.

The non-Serb states of Croatia and Slovenia, for example put up severe obstacles or prevent Serbian businesses from operating there, yet Serbia did open up its market to those countries years ago.

Rocky seems to be going on many holidays, isn't he?

Stop the nonsense. And stop wasting Western tax money. Thanks in advance!
(Ron, 17 May 2010 19:41)
And you think reuniting Kosovo would save the West money??
Serbia does not have the financial resources to rebuild what they have destroyed so the international community would be asked to step in, only this time having 70% of the funding siphoned off in "processing fees" by the Serbian govt.

I think the USA & NATO are getting tired of Fatmir Sejdiu Kosovo. When there was a huge bloody conflict back in the 1990's and early 2000's, the USA & NATO hated Serbia. And ethnic Albanian Muslim refugees flooded into Europe and some to USA. But, all that horror is over with and Kosovo is so tiny, and the USA & NATO do not care about Muslim Albanian Kosovo anymore. The USA & Europe have huge money problems as well. Kosovo is always a problem. USA and NATO leave Kosovo alone, use your money on your own domestic needs and watch Kosovo dissolve itself; do not interfere; watch and listen to Kosovo fall apart because the truth is Kosovo is a beggar and survives through handouts. And Kosovo government is only for the Albanians.

Why is Vuk insisting Zannier attend? Is he suggesting that Serbia might recognize Kosovo in the future? Kosovo is being represented by Serbia! No need for Zannier to attend.
(Gojko)
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I don't know what you were trying to point on here, but let's make this clear for you. Zannier is their to represent KosovoUNMIK your (so-called state). IF Serbia were to recognize your "state", why would he need to be there - your lack in logic is obvious.

Your officials in Kosovo are illegal and do not have a leg to stand on. Sedjiu is a no body, just a man with a title and no attributes. He is nto qualified to represent himself, therefore Zannier is most definitly needed.

Last point need to be made is that RES; 1244 is in effect which states that Kosovo is UN/NATO administered sountern province of Serbia.

So, the question is not whether Serbia will ever recognize you, but when will your officials be kicked out of office and Serb forces be re-installed in Pristina.

No, I don't have those figures but it would be interesting to know, if you could provide a reliable source for your info.
(Get real, 18 May 2010 20:16)

In a nutshell, little to nothing. You don't have access to any information just look around you and see if life has improved.

How many factories have relocated to Kosovo? How many job opportuntes have opened up in Kosovo???

So, the question is not whether Serbia will ever recognize you, but when will your officials be kicked out of office and Serb forces be re-installed in Pristina.
(trudsaam.

This is very Serbian way to handle things ,Officials=Serb Forces.

Ian UK: "So Jeremic has proven to be a liar yet again. Yesterday he said the complete opposite to what Sejdiu has said today."

So what makes you think that it is Vuk who is lying?
(kate, 17 May 2010 19:10)

Previous Zagreb and Brdo!

Reuniting Kosovo is not as silly as it sounds, but think for a moment; Kosovo has had 11 years of freedom, then how much has the international community spent on the people in Kosovo that does not involve controlling what happens on the ground i.e security etc., and how much to date has it spent on infrastructure and improving living standards? I know the answer, do you?
(sj, 18 May 2010 14:20)
No, I don't have those figures but it would be interesting to know, if you could provide a reliable source for your info.

I would like to see Serbia properly representing all the people of Kosovo.

The mono-ethnic Albanian take-over should be stopped in its tracks.
(Bob, 17 May 2010)

Yep you guys go ahead and represent the Albanians in Sarajevo. In the meantime we're busy laying the foundation for a united Albania. Sooner rather than later, mark my words.

UN issue is a trivial one...even if Kosovo would be reckognised by only US and Albania and not by 68 countries, the situation would even be better for albanians, it would give us strong reasons to incorporate our northen province with the Albanian mother land. Albania has harbours and the new highway is ready next month...once Kosovo totally cuts their infrastructure with Serbia, and levels with Albania [energy ,transport etc] European support won't be needed anymore...and people will realise that UN membership don't count. The funny thing about UN is how some countries which no one has ever heard of, suddnly become useful, a kosovar rich magnate alredy bought the recognition of several of those gugu&zululands. Really funny how UN works. And only a couble of dozen countries Kosovo becomes a UN meber, i wonder what Serbia would do then? Would Beograd reckognise Kosovo?

So Jeremic has proven to be a liar yet again. Yesterday he said the complete opposite to what Sejdiu has said today.

"What's that magic number again Fatmir?
(Niall O'Doherty,"
Common Niall, whould you really care whats the possition of Lybia orChina and north Korea on your country, as far as freedom and the will of the people is concerned?
Were is your logic?
You are just being racist of saying that Kosovars should not be asked about their fate becouse China might get hurt, or a dictator might not like it?
Kosovo is in Europe sir, no matter how many atachments you got in asia africa and what not. :D

“It is unacceptable for us to participate under a sign that says ‘Kosovo-UNMIK’ or with ties to UN Resolution 1244, which is what Serbia wants,” Sejdiu said, adding that Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries and that “Serbia wants to overlook that fact”.

What a child, a petulent little child. How about Kosovo-UNMIK overlooking the fact that over 100 countries HAVEN'T recognized it, apparently stupidity reigns supreme in this pseudo-state.

“We will participate only if the conditions are the same for us as they are for all other countries. If every country is represented with state symbols, we will participate,” the Kosovo Albanian president said.

My friend, Kosovo *IS* not a state. So it can not be represented as such.

Or can California say: we want to be represented as a country?

Or Scotland? Or Kurdistan? Or Tibet? Or ....

Stop the nonsense. And stop wasting Western tax money. Thanks in advance!

Kosovo in Sarajevo “only as state.
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Read mu lips
"ONLY AS STATE.
And thank you very much IRAQ
my next "short holiday" is in Bagdad.

“We will participate only if the conditions are the same for us as they are for all other countries. If every country is represented with state symbols, we will participate,” the Kosovo Albanian president said.

-- It's funny Sejdiu says this since most ordinary K-Albanians don't even know what Kosovo's "official" state symbols are, or care for them. They continue to fly the flag of Albania.

And as far as K-Serbs are concerned "official" symbols are the Republic of Serbia, so unless Sejdiu's representing only the Pristina-based municipalities, he should be aware of the insensitivity he's showing towards the Serb minority using symbols they don't identify with.

Anything "official" for Kosovo seems to have been approved by some outside power with little to no legitimate recognition by Kosovo's "citizens".

“It is unacceptable for us to participate under a sign that says ‘Kosovo-UNMIK’ or with ties to UN Resolution 1244, which is what Serbia wants,” Sejdiu said, adding that Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries and that “Serbia wants to overlook that fact”.

NO'D - Really, that little fact is called international law, read UN Resolution 1244 and the Helsinki Agreement. Poor Fatmir, try as you might but you cannot overlook that fact.

As for the opinion of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) regarding the legality of the Kosovo Albanian unilaterally proclaimed independence, Sejdiu said that he was “convinced that no court can pass a decision that will go against the will of the people”.

NO'D - wanna bet. Be prepared to be very disappointed.

“The arguments we sent the court are irrefutable. The arguments that our partners in Germany, France, Great Britain and other countries sent to the ICJ are also arguments that support the recognition of Kosovo’s independence,”

NO'D - Ok so the arguments of France, Germany, the Brits holds greater weight than that of Spain, Agrentina or China. What absolute tosh. More nonsense aimed at placating an increasingly impatient domestic audience. Regarding your irrefutable arguments, well let me refer you to my first point, international law, ah yes 1244 again. What's that magic number again Fatmir?

Kosovo is a province of Serbia, but he wants to overlook that fact.

Serbia should be the only representative of Kosovo at the state level.

1244 is in the breach - the udi is not autonomy in the terms that were signed for.

Pristina can operate as an autonomous entity in terms of 1244 and Serbia can treat it as such.

I would like to see Serbia properly representing all the people of Kosovo.

The mono-ethnic Albanian take-over should be stopped in its tracks.

“The arguments we sent the court are irrefutable. The arguments that our partners in Germany, France, Great Britain and other countries sent to the ICJ are also arguments that support the recognition of Kosovo’s independence.”

The very same arguments will be their undoing. It is actually laughable that despite the weight of supposedly 'more powerful' countries, try as they might the pro-independence argument falls flat on its face.

There is no legal argument to mitigate unilaterally declaring independence when part of a sovereign state and an international protectorate.

It's particularly ironic that the very court approached for its advisory belongs to the same UN body administering the province and guaranteeing Serbia's territorial integrity.

If the ICJ finds that the UDI was legal then it is not only giving the green light to separatists around the world, but it is also spitting in the face of international law and its very own structure and procedures.

Despite any pressures, they will have to find that the UDI was illegal for their own sake and that of international law and security.

“It is unacceptable for us to participate under a sign that says ‘Kosovo-UNMIK’ or with ties to UN Resolution 1244, which is what Serbia wants,” Sejdiu said, adding that Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries and that “Serbia wants to overlook that fact”.
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What kind of politician does he claim to be?

His own masters in Washington even recognize RES; 1244, and he chooses to ignore it? Great diplomatic skills, concidering its coming from a monkey of a diplomat.

He states Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries, and that Serbia ignores that fact... well sir the fact that 67 have recognized you is EXACTLY the point. While the rest of the world DOESN'T recognize you, duhh.

Remember; Your position doesn't exist on the global-front. Mr. Zannier will be holding your hand throughout the meeting, while you sit there silently. This is what has been agreed upon, and you have no say whatsoever.

So Jeremic has proven to be a liar yet again. Yesterday he said the complete opposite to what Sejdiu has said today.
(Ian)
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Sejdu isn't even a politician, you take his word over Vuk's?

The corrected text is as follows......“It is unacceptable for Serbia to allow an Albanian governed Kosovo to participate under a sign that says nothing but ‘Kosovo-UNMIK’ and must have ties to UN Resolution 1244, which is Serbia's right,” Sejdiu said, adding that Kosovo was recognized by 67 countries, but not by 150 or so, and that “Serbia will not overlook that fact”. Like Hillary "misspoke about Bosnia, Sejdiu misspoke about Kosovo, it happens.

Ian UK: "So Jeremic has proven to be a liar yet again. Yesterday he said the complete opposite to what Sejdiu has said today."

So what makes you think that it is Vuk who is lying?

"If the ICJ finds that the UDI was legal then it is not only giving the green light to separatists around the world, but it is also spitting in the face of international law and its very own structure and procedures."

Kate,

Why you are taking the role of ICJ? Courts in a democratic society are independent from any government interference.

Rest assured that Serbia has never intention to honour the ICJ opinion and I doubt you will.

So why should the Albanians honour it? Do you get my point?

Serbia purely wanted to gain time to stop further recognition of Kosovo/a independence. I haven't got the slightest doubt that Kosovo/a will never return under Serbia's sovereignity. It is just NOT REALISTIC to keep it simple.

Ian,UK - For someone who is supposedly from the UK you seem to be having trouble interpreting what Sedjui said. Read the piece again and you'll see that it doesn't contradict what Jeremic said.

Can somebody explain to me why we are back to State symbols, etc.? Jeremic started with that yesterday and I ignored it, because Vuk well famous for his Nonsenses. But seeing Seidjiu pulling the same string today tells me that somebody lied. What happened with the Gymnich Format?? Already burried?
(Adam)
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The answer to that is very simple. Every international meeting contains state symbols for representation. The fact that the Kosovo officials "claim" that they're independant, why should the rules change for them?... these officials are insignificant people politically. Serbia is Serbia, Spain is Spain, kosovo is (apparently), Lamberto Zannier.

So there you have it, the Land of Lamerto Zannier will be present along side, holding hands with Sejdu.

Kate--I have to disagree with you and others over the concept of "sovereignty." It is a complicated concept. Literally, it springs from "the right of the king" after the Hundred Year's War and to stop the constant warring in Europe. At that point, it did mean, whatever the king of a country said or chose (particularly with religion) was sovereign or immune. Small countries were given the same protection as large ones to end the bloodshed.

That idea has become more problematic, especially after WWII. The whole world witnessed what happens when a ruler is considered sovereign or "hands off." The ramifications of bad rulers impact everyone geographically, economically, and socially. It is both immature and unrealistic (even immoral) to not expect other countries to get involved when atrocities occur. Milosovic and his ilk are such atrocites.

Is it fair when the US gets away with crap and bombing Iraq and such? No. Such is the world. But the US being wrong does not absolve Milosovic and people who supported him. And the fact that Mladic is still free (even a hero to some) does not help matters.

In contemporary thought, a government and their rulers are given their power by the people. The underlying social contract is that they protect their citizens and rule to the larger good. If not, their sovereignty is "pierced." Self-determination and identity are critical to contemporary "sovereignty."

Is this complicated and open to argument? Of course, that is why it is before the ICJ.

There will probably be no councils until the ICJ comes back with an official decision. If it goes against Serbia, almost everyone of any significance will then vote for Kosovo's independence. Yes, I know Russia, China, and Spain will still hold out for their own reasons. Whatever, the argument will be over. Personally, I think it is already over.

Sad thing, average Serbians still lose valuable time. It has been over 20 years since the Wall came down. Slovenia is doing great. Croatia is moving along. Montenegro bailed. Even Bulgaria and Romania are on track. All you have to do is look at a map of Europe and the EU to see how isolated Serbia has become.

I do not think this is what most Serbs want for themselves or their children. Unfortunately, the rabble is driving the bus and Tadic cowers in the back.

Why is Vuk insisting Zannier attend? Is he suggesting that Serbia might recognize Kosovo in the future? Kosovo is being represented by Serbia! No need for Zannier to attend.

Stop the nonsense. And stop wasting Western tax money. Thanks in advance!
(Ron, 17 May 2010 19:41)
And you think reuniting Kosovo would save the West money??
Serbia does not have the financial resources to rebuild what they have destroyed so the international community would be asked to step in, only this time having 70% of the funding siphoned off in "processing fees" by the Serbian govt.

Ian UK: "So Jeremic has proven to be a liar yet again. Yesterday he said the complete opposite to what Sejdiu has said today."

So what makes you think that it is Vuk who is lying?
(kate, 17 May 2010 19:10)

Previous Zagreb and Brdo!

Well, one thing is absolutely certain - and that is the EU and US have made a complete mess of the Balkans once again. At least pre-UDI we had an agreement where all groups could participate but now we are more divided than ever.

UN issue is a trivial one...even if Kosovo would be reckognised by only US and Albania and not by 68 countries, the situation would even be better for albanians, it would give us strong reasons to incorporate our northen province with the Albanian mother land. Albania has harbours and the new highway is ready next month...once Kosovo totally cuts their infrastructure with Serbia, and levels with Albania [energy ,transport etc] European support won't be needed anymore...and people will realise that UN membership don't count. The funny thing about UN is how some countries which no one has ever heard of, suddnly become useful, a kosovar rich magnate alredy bought the recognition of several of those gugu&zululands. Really funny how UN works. And only a couble of dozen countries Kosovo becomes a UN meber, i wonder what Serbia would do then? Would Beograd reckognise Kosovo?

It is very insightful for me to read both the opinions of Serbs and Albanians. However it becomes hard to overlook at the facts that most of the Serbian posters are becoming very angry and childish themselves calling Sejdiu a monkey, a child etc etc because at this point the opinions become unreadable as if they were written by a bunch of teenagers with no real, decent argument in themselves.

Anyway, I would like to write on the issue related to the article and some of the comments here.

If, just like most of you say, Kosovo = 1244, then answer me this; Why is Kosovo taking part in this thing in the first place. Doesn't res. 1244 say that Kosovo is part of Serbia, however in one way or another Kosovo is taking part in Sarajevo which clearly outlines the fact that it is not part of Serbia (isn't this what all the fuss is about!?), and Serbia has no control over Kosovo. This is why Serbs casting their opinions on here are trying to overlook at this fact by creating arguments such as "UNMIK will represent Kosovo". So what that Kosovo is represented under the name of UNMIK, one way or another it is being involved, it is doing something that a country can do. It is being involved/taking part in a conference where only countries can take part, this is something totally different to what res: 1244 or Serbs are tying to achieve.

I would like to see Serbia properly representing all the people of Kosovo.

The mono-ethnic Albanian take-over should be stopped in its tracks.
(Bob, 17 May 2010)

Yep you guys go ahead and represent the Albanians in Sarajevo. In the meantime we're busy laying the foundation for a united Albania. Sooner rather than later, mark my words.

Serbia does not have the financial resources to rebuild what they have destroyed so the international community would be asked to step in, only this time having 70% of the funding siphoned off in "processing fees" by the Serbian govt.
(Get real, 17 May 2010 22:35)
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Why don't you do as your name implies?
NATO destroyed, not Serbia. When is NATO going to rebuild what they destroyed?

How do you know how much money is going where? Are you part of the Serbian treasury?

Dear Sejdiu,

Kosovo separatist's presence in that Sarajevo conference is not that important. Therefore you are not needed there.
Study your geography Fatmir because France, Germany, UK & the US are not the UN.

Poor Kosovo, which holds on stupid protocols because its counterpart does so... leave this stupid games thus we've got plenty of work to do!

Can somebody explain to me why we are back to State symbols, etc.? Jeremic started with that yesterday and I ignored it, because Vuk well famous for his Nonsenses. But seeing Seidjiu pulling the same string today tells me that somebody lied. What happened with the Gymnich Format?? Already burried?

Read mu lips
"ONLY AS STATE.
And thank you very much IRAQ
my next "short holiday" is in Bagdad.
(Rocky, 17 May 2010 21:34)

This is the Albos in the so called Kosovo Government beating their chests and nothing more. All show for the local consumption, like cheap washing detergent, all froth and bubble on top nothing underneath.

If you next holiday is going to be in Iraq I can guarantee you it will be short. Don’t believe everything the US tells you – they are still losing troops every time they leave their compounds.

See with so much uncompromising and stubborn attitude before even the talks begin you can tell that they will be just a waste of time.

Serbia should decide not to go because nothing productive for Serbia will be the outcome. Further, the non-Serbs never uphold any of their agreements.

The non-Serb states of Croatia and Slovenia, for example put up severe obstacles or prevent Serbian businesses from operating there, yet Serbia did open up its market to those countries years ago.

EA: Courts in a democratic society are independent from any government interference.

i'm going to assume that you'd accept us system as a democratic society.
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The division of state and federal government into three independent branches.
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The first three articles of the U.S. Constitution call for the powers of the federal government to be divided among three separate branches: the legislative, the executive, and the judiciary branch.
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Under the separation of powers, each branch of government has a specific function. The legislative branch—the Congress—makes the laws. The executive branch—the president—implements the laws. The judiciary—the court system—interprets the laws and decides legal controversies.
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Most judges are appointed, and therefore Congress and the president can affect the judiciary.
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so to make it crystal clear...
courts in a democratic society are part of the government, and as such are subject to all the interfering it wants to do upon itself.

“only if participants are represented with full state symbols”.

Then don't participate.

mr fatmir ...BiH ( the country that the conference is being held in)does not recognize kosovo as an independent country..BiH will not suspend their laws in order for a non exsistant state to act as if they were a country ... in case u forgot 2/3 of the worlds countries would not allow u to represnt yourself as a country either !!

dear Bleron,

I must admit it´s hard not to call this "president"- since he isn´t even capable of speaking english in front of an international audience...

although he calls himself an intellectual.

but, he may see himself as a president if it pleases him...

fact is:
he´s not really to be taken serious.

and that´s the bottom-line you should have gotten while reading the comments here...

I ask myself whether you have thought the same when some k-albanian kiddies have been writing their wishful thinking, ..or let´s rather call it illusions, like "the one and only superpower USA"...being the only one who has the power to regulate the misunderstanding between Serbs and K-albanians.

this kind of illusion is it that makes the living conditions for the K-albanians so difficult, these days.

that´s something you should see, I think.

And you think reuniting Kosovo would save the West money??
Serbia does not have the financial resources to rebuild what they have destroyed so the international community would be asked to step in, only this time having 70% of the funding siphoned off in "processing fees" by the Serbian govt.
(Get real, 17 May 2010 22:35)

Reuniting Kosovo is not as silly as it sounds, but think for a moment; Kosovo has had 11 years of freedom, then how much has the international community spent on the people in Kosovo that does not involve controlling what happens on the ground i.e security etc., and how much to date has it spent on infrastructure and improving living standards? I know the answer, do you?

Bleron:

The albanian minority in Kosovo have been offered a very high level of autonomy and participating in internation meetings is part of that. They would of course not represent Kosovo, but rather the albanian minority in Serbia (possibly only the kosovo-albanian population)

In essence, kosovo-albanians being represented internationally have nothing to do with Kosovo, but only the albanian population there. They basically have the right to govern themselves, very much like the Sami people in northern scandinavia.

Charli:

You seem to disregard why a country's Sovereignty needs to be respected in the first place, without protected borders territorial conflict would spring everywere. I also get the feeling that you assume that the conflict in Kosovo is something that has started relatively recently?

A lot of westerners seem to be under that impression actually "Milosevic started killing for no reason" etc etc but the truth is that it's much much older than that. Of course I'm only assuming that you do not already know this but the fact that you repeatedly use the name "Milosovic" suggests to me that you aren't very knowledgable on the subject.

I'm not trying to absolve anyone of anything here I'm just saying that it isn't "both immature and unrealistic (even immoral)" for serbs to wish, and argue for, the preservation of our state.

I think the USA & NATO are getting tired of Fatmir Sejdiu Kosovo. When there was a huge bloody conflict back in the 1990's and early 2000's, the USA & NATO hated Serbia. And ethnic Albanian Muslim refugees flooded into Europe and some to USA. But, all that horror is over with and Kosovo is so tiny, and the USA & NATO do not care about Muslim Albanian Kosovo anymore. The USA & Europe have huge money problems as well. Kosovo is always a problem. USA and NATO leave Kosovo alone, use your money on your own domestic needs and watch Kosovo dissolve itself; do not interfere; watch and listen to Kosovo fall apart because the truth is Kosovo is a beggar and survives through handouts. And Kosovo government is only for the Albanians.

So, the question is not whether Serbia will ever recognize you, but when will your officials be kicked out of office and Serb forces be re-installed in Pristina.
(trudsaam.

This is very Serbian way to handle things ,Officials=Serb Forces.

Rocky seems to be going on many holidays, isn't he?

Reuniting Kosovo is not as silly as it sounds, but think for a moment; Kosovo has had 11 years of freedom, then how much has the international community spent on the people in Kosovo that does not involve controlling what happens on the ground i.e security etc., and how much to date has it spent on infrastructure and improving living standards? I know the answer, do you?
(sj, 18 May 2010 14:20)
No, I don't have those figures but it would be interesting to know, if you could provide a reliable source for your info.

Why is Vuk insisting Zannier attend? Is he suggesting that Serbia might recognize Kosovo in the future? Kosovo is being represented by Serbia! No need for Zannier to attend.
(Gojko)
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I don't know what you were trying to point on here, but let's make this clear for you. Zannier is their to represent KosovoUNMIK your (so-called state). IF Serbia were to recognize your "state", why would he need to be there - your lack in logic is obvious.

Your officials in Kosovo are illegal and do not have a leg to stand on. Sedjiu is a no body, just a man with a title and no attributes. He is nto qualified to represent himself, therefore Zannier is most definitly needed.

Last point need to be made is that RES; 1244 is in effect which states that Kosovo is UN/NATO administered sountern province of Serbia.

So, the question is not whether Serbia will ever recognize you, but when will your officials be kicked out of office and Serb forces be re-installed in Pristina.

No, I don't have those figures but it would be interesting to know, if you could provide a reliable source for your info.
(Get real, 18 May 2010 20:16)

In a nutshell, little to nothing. You don't have access to any information just look around you and see if life has improved.

How many factories have relocated to Kosovo? How many job opportuntes have opened up in Kosovo???