"They do in theocracies. Now my question is when did Serbia become a theocracy since you find it normal for this priest to make the state policy of Serbia. Not if, but when?
(johny, 19 May 2010 02:11) "
Does this Serbian priest have any power to pass laws in Serbia? If your answer is no, then how can you accuse Serbia of being a theocracy? You can't even see the utter lack of logic in your arguments.
The people of some countries respect their main religion enough to pay attention to what their religious leaders are saying. And that's why these religious leaders are so influential. But to equate these countries with being theocracies is really a gross exaggeration on your part. Anyone with an iota of common sense can see this straightaway.
Wasn't this your idea in the place? Who was it who wrote that priests make state policies? Give you a hint: it wasn't me!
(lowe, 18 May 2010 16:49)
They do in theocracies. Now my question is when did Serbia become a theocracy since you find it normal for this priest to make the state policy of Serbia. Not if, but when?
I don't think that Ben's fact are correct either. The K-Alb birth rate is still high some 4 kids/woman, while Albanians in Albania are at 2.2 barely enough to replenish themselves (same rate as US). But the trend is down I agree. On the other hand Serbia's population is decreasing by 35,000 a year...... one of the highest rates in the world.
If Serbia continues to rule Kosovo the K-Alb birth rate will continue to be very high. K-Alb see that as a means for survival, and they will be on "survival" mode as long as they are under Serbia.
(Denis, 17 May 2010 17:48)
You or Yiber will have to provide credible evidence from a reliable source to back up your incredible statistics before I am prepared to accept your arguments as anything other than fantasy. I look forward to your evidences, assuming you or Yiber are able to provide them.
Your "facts" are so absurd that even your own people (see ben's post) are embarrassed to say the least.
(lowe, 16 May 2010 05:57)
I don't think that Ben's fact are correct either. The K-Alb birth rate is still high some 4 kids/woman, while Albanians in Albania are at 2.2 barely enough to replenish themselves (same rate as US). But the trend is down I agree. On the other hand Serbia's population is decreasing by 35,000 a year...... one of the highest rates in the world.
If Serbia continues to rule Kosovo the K-Alb birth rate will continue to be very high. K-Alb see that as a means for survival, and they will be on "survival" mode as long as they are under Serbia.
However, Serbia will not just sit there and see Alb take it over by means of a democratic vote. Serbia will simply not allow that and will be forced to engage in another war against K-Alb and expell them whenever it will have a chance. In fact I would consider it a very normal thing for any country who wants to exist.
In any case I don't think any Albanian in their right mind would want to take over Serbia. As an Albanian I would never wish for disapparence of Serbia, as I will never deny Serbia's right to exist.
Yes we have fought against each other, killed each other, but in the end we are not animals, and we have to find a way to live as civilized people in peace.
back to the patriarch. I think that two big mistakes that the Patriach makes are that first he gets involved in politics as he speaks like a nationalist (Kosovo head of a nation etc), and second he complitely ignores the Albanians in Kosovo as he does not even mention or address them. We have all seen where this strategy can lead.
I must say that Serbian Orth Church has never been a factor of peace in Kosovo, and could have done a lot more to ease the tensions there.
re: Comparisons to Iran -- Just goes to show Serbia is a CONSERVATIVE nation and that this is an ADVANTAGE in the long term because it preserves ethnic identity in the face of adversity. In Quebec where the Catholic Church was ignored by Secular Nationalists, they have given up on independence and are even apathetic to language issues they used to care about. The Atheistic/Secular Albanians in KiM will fold the same way. THANK YOU SAINT SAVA for shaping our IDENTITY! God sent you to us.
(highduke, 16 May 2010 02:48)
The Albanian side will eventually fold and be forced back to the table not because of God or any religon but because of international law (UN Resolution 1244, Helsinki Agreement) and the changing geo-politics. Pristina will soon have to face the unavoidable reality and so will we. By that I mean a compromise where Kosovo could be partioned.
Serbia being a conservative country, who are you kidding, in rural areas yes. I have not set foot inside the catholic church where I was baptised well since I was baptised and outside my apartment block every Sunday morning you have to pick your way through the beer cans and used condoms.
Serbs are not conservative when it comes to drinking beer and casual sex :)
I have a message for Pristina!. Don't let this clown step on Kosovo soil unless he was born there. Instead of looking after his church he talks politics?. In his mind Kosovo might still be Serbia but in the western world Kosovo is an independent state.
(ProAlbanian)
-
According to most of the world, Kosovo is Serbia. According to UN, the Council of Europe and all legal documentation; Kosovo is Serbia... So maybe in your mind you see yourself as independent, but in reality you are living on Serbian soil.
We lost enough over centuries Irinej forgot when his predecors came from Carpat mountains and drove away Illyrians now is payback time and we want what is ours,I have my neighbours who were driven away from Prekuple around 100 years ago and the old man remembered the horrors how of those days just because they were albanians a few left from centuries serbian oppression.
anyway why dont Irinej visit Kosovo.
(Oso Kuka, 16 May 2010 10:29)
Didn´t know that Matuzalem is your neighbour.
Did he tell you how it was under Stefan Dusan maybe?
Larry Sellers - You cannot aim that accusation at Belgrade, which was always and remains a society rich in different ethnicities, languages and cultures. You have clearly not been there to make such a statement.
If Patriark cant imagine himself without Peja what will he do if he thinks about Decan or furthermore Prizren will he have an heart atack hahah or since he is "holly" is imune of death.Kosovo wont be partioned ever because Kosovars will not accept by any price other than death!
We lost enough over centuries Irinej forgot when his predecors came from Carpat mountains and drove away Illyrians now is payback time and we want what is ours,I have my neighbours who were driven away from Prekuple around 100 years ago and the old man remembered the horrors how of those days just because they were albanians a few left from centuries serbian oppression.
anyway why dont Irinej visit Kosovo.
Why oh why is it so freakin impossible for folks in this part of the work to live together? Does anyone understand that almost all countries in the world are made up of differenct nationalities, races etc.... People here need to drive 6 hours north, to Vienna. When they make it back to Belgrade they should ask themselves why is it so different. Only 6 hours, but the difference is extreme.
I have a message for Pristina!. Don't let this clown step on Kosovo soil unless he was born there. Instead of looking after his church he talks politics?. In his mind Kosovo might still be Serbia but in the western world Kosovo is an independent state.
"I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
(Ylber, 15 May 2010 17:13) "
Your "facts" are so absurd that even your own people (see ben's post) are embarrassed to say the least.
Since when a priest makes the policy of the state? Only in Serbia, I guess.
(johny, 15 May 2010 18:35)
I agree with you, religion and state should not mix at all,
religious leaders should not publicly state political statements, they should leave the politics to the politicians.
re: Comparisons to Iran -- Just goes to show Serbia is a CONSERVATIVE nation and that this is an ADVANTAGE in the long term because it preserves ethnic identity in the face of adversity. In Quebec where the Catholic Church was ignored by Secular Nationalists, they have given up on independence and are even apathetic to language issues they used to care about. The Atheistic/Secular Albanians in KiM will fold the same way. THANK YOU SAINT SAVA for shaping our IDENTITY! God sent you to us.
"I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
(Ylber, 15 May 2010 17:13)"
Ylber,
In a sense I am surprised and pleased to see your comment. However, there are some flaws. As your fellow Albanian "Ben" tried to explain to you the birth rate of Albanian is Kosovo and Albania is too small to achieve the dreams you shared with us. Even if you could achieve this you will have to share the meager pie with even more people resulting in barely crumbs for everybody (in reality it will be even less, for your politicians and mafia will take a big chunk, leaving almost nothing for the rest (even worse than now)). Albanians will not be a majority in Serbia for a long time and if, God forbid, this happens one day you can take was is yours. I just wonder if Hungarians are looking forward to become your neighbors for you may be eying their lands too. Just settle for the best autonomy in the world and let's all move on.
His Holiness Irinej is correct on both accounts.Kosovo is in Serbia,was,is and always will be.Furthermore its by Versailles Treaty and UN resolution 1244.Nothing can change that.
Kosovo to Serbs is the following organs: heart & head.
Serbia to Kosovars is a basket country, run by Milosevics cronies, and nostalgia of Balkan dominance. Face it, no one likes Serbia, your days to glory will only begin after apologizing, paying for billions in damages and attempting to befriend your neighbors.
"Our country cannot be beheaded and stripped of Kosovo."
I agree with "Mr Priest". But the thing is what is head for you is backbone for the other and otherway around. Many years ago the "head of Serbia" was Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore. What would you say to that?
(EA)
-
First of all, Yugoslavia was Yugoslavia, it wasnt a "head" of any other internal entity.
The main point being brought here is that the Albanians don't even have a "head" so they go elsewhere and seek someone elses. Now... what have you to say about that ?
hahahahaha
what does this old senile man want to say?
do you really think albanians will ever listen to serbs? NEVER!
(albo)
-
And look at the hole you find yourself in, lol
you opinion is quite common among common Albanians.
But it utterly false.
The birth rate among Albanians has dropped down significantly over the last 20 years. And in Albania it is almost zero.
If you add on that that we Albanians would not dislike to become richer in the future then this means that our birth rate will go further down.
So I think your "strategy" will not work... street legends only- invented and supported by the same people that advocate that Albanians have come from Albania in Kosova/Yugo or high birth rate made Serbs become minority in Kosova in other words: Albanians are aggressive and stole the Serbian land… pure lies that we should start throwing them in the bin where they deserve to be.
Our birth rate before and after the WW2 was same as the Serbian and other nations in the region.
It was like that until the mid 60s from then and until the end of the 80s their birth rate slowed down significantly ours started slowing down from the 90s and still continues. These are the facts.
Yeah,you Srbs all wish you can divide something thats not yours.How about spliting southern Serbia (Sanxhak,Nishe,Medvegje,Kurshumli,Bujanovac,Vranje,Presheve)and other Albaian lands.Dont you think is time to give back the stolen lands from the Albanians.
"Our country cannot be beheaded and stripped of Kosovo."
I agree with "Mr Priest". But the thing is what is head for you is backbone for the other and otherway around. Many years ago the "head of Serbia" was Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore. What would you say to that?
I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
If THE PATRIARCH says partition isnt acceptable, Albanians can FORGET about trying that option when they get forced back into negotiations by EU & UN after ICJ proclaims the protectorate illegal. The statement by our holy father is timed in tandem with Moscow & Belgrade diplomacy. Like I said in January: 2010 is the year Albanian hopes go down.
Yeah,you Srbs all wish you can divide something thats not yours.How about spliting southern Serbia (Sanxhak,Nishe,Medvegje,Kurshumli,Bujanovac,Vranje,Presheve)and other Albaian lands.Dont you think is time to give back the stolen lands from the Albanians.
"Our country cannot be beheaded and stripped of Kosovo."
I agree with "Mr Priest". But the thing is what is head for you is backbone for the other and otherway around. Many years ago the "head of Serbia" was Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore. What would you say to that?
"Our country cannot be beheaded and stripped of Kosovo."
I agree with "Mr Priest". But the thing is what is head for you is backbone for the other and otherway around. Many years ago the "head of Serbia" was Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore. What would you say to that?
(EA)
-
First of all, Yugoslavia was Yugoslavia, it wasnt a "head" of any other internal entity.
The main point being brought here is that the Albanians don't even have a "head" so they go elsewhere and seek someone elses. Now... what have you to say about that ?
hahahahaha
what does this old senile man want to say?
do you really think albanians will ever listen to serbs? NEVER!
(albo)
-
And look at the hole you find yourself in, lol
I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
If THE PATRIARCH says partition isnt acceptable, Albanians can FORGET about trying that option when they get forced back into negotiations by EU & UN after ICJ proclaims the protectorate illegal. The statement by our holy father is timed in tandem with Moscow & Belgrade diplomacy. Like I said in January: 2010 is the year Albanian hopes go down.
Kosovo to Serbs is the following organs: heart & head.
Serbia to Kosovars is a basket country, run by Milosevics cronies, and nostalgia of Balkan dominance. Face it, no one likes Serbia, your days to glory will only begin after apologizing, paying for billions in damages and attempting to befriend your neighbors.
His Holiness Irinej is correct on both accounts.Kosovo is in Serbia,was,is and always will be.Furthermore its by Versailles Treaty and UN resolution 1244.Nothing can change that.
you opinion is quite common among common Albanians.
But it utterly false.
The birth rate among Albanians has dropped down significantly over the last 20 years. And in Albania it is almost zero.
If you add on that that we Albanians would not dislike to become richer in the future then this means that our birth rate will go further down.
So I think your "strategy" will not work... street legends only- invented and supported by the same people that advocate that Albanians have come from Albania in Kosova/Yugo or high birth rate made Serbs become minority in Kosova in other words: Albanians are aggressive and stole the Serbian land… pure lies that we should start throwing them in the bin where they deserve to be.
Our birth rate before and after the WW2 was same as the Serbian and other nations in the region.
It was like that until the mid 60s from then and until the end of the 80s their birth rate slowed down significantly ours started slowing down from the 90s and still continues. These are the facts.
"I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
(Ylber, 15 May 2010 17:13) "
Your "facts" are so absurd that even your own people (see ben's post) are embarrassed to say the least.
Larry Sellers - You cannot aim that accusation at Belgrade, which was always and remains a society rich in different ethnicities, languages and cultures. You have clearly not been there to make such a statement.
I have a message for Pristina!. Don't let this clown step on Kosovo soil unless he was born there. Instead of looking after his church he talks politics?. In his mind Kosovo might still be Serbia but in the western world Kosovo is an independent state.
(ProAlbanian)
-
According to most of the world, Kosovo is Serbia. According to UN, the Council of Europe and all legal documentation; Kosovo is Serbia... So maybe in your mind you see yourself as independent, but in reality you are living on Serbian soil.
"I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
(Ylber, 15 May 2010 17:13)"
Ylber,
In a sense I am surprised and pleased to see your comment. However, there are some flaws. As your fellow Albanian "Ben" tried to explain to you the birth rate of Albanian is Kosovo and Albania is too small to achieve the dreams you shared with us. Even if you could achieve this you will have to share the meager pie with even more people resulting in barely crumbs for everybody (in reality it will be even less, for your politicians and mafia will take a big chunk, leaving almost nothing for the rest (even worse than now)). Albanians will not be a majority in Serbia for a long time and if, God forbid, this happens one day you can take was is yours. I just wonder if Hungarians are looking forward to become your neighbors for you may be eying their lands too. Just settle for the best autonomy in the world and let's all move on.
We lost enough over centuries Irinej forgot when his predecors came from Carpat mountains and drove away Illyrians now is payback time and we want what is ours,I have my neighbours who were driven away from Prekuple around 100 years ago and the old man remembered the horrors how of those days just because they were albanians a few left from centuries serbian oppression.
anyway why dont Irinej visit Kosovo.
(Oso Kuka, 16 May 2010 10:29)
Didn´t know that Matuzalem is your neighbour.
Did he tell you how it was under Stefan Dusan maybe?
re: Comparisons to Iran -- Just goes to show Serbia is a CONSERVATIVE nation and that this is an ADVANTAGE in the long term because it preserves ethnic identity in the face of adversity. In Quebec where the Catholic Church was ignored by Secular Nationalists, they have given up on independence and are even apathetic to language issues they used to care about. The Atheistic/Secular Albanians in KiM will fold the same way. THANK YOU SAINT SAVA for shaping our IDENTITY! God sent you to us.
I have a message for Pristina!. Don't let this clown step on Kosovo soil unless he was born there. Instead of looking after his church he talks politics?. In his mind Kosovo might still be Serbia but in the western world Kosovo is an independent state.
Since when a priest makes the policy of the state? Only in Serbia, I guess.
(johny, 15 May 2010 18:35)
I agree with you, religion and state should not mix at all,
religious leaders should not publicly state political statements, they should leave the politics to the politicians.
If Patriark cant imagine himself without Peja what will he do if he thinks about Decan or furthermore Prizren will he have an heart atack hahah or since he is "holly" is imune of death.Kosovo wont be partioned ever because Kosovars will not accept by any price other than death!
We lost enough over centuries Irinej forgot when his predecors came from Carpat mountains and drove away Illyrians now is payback time and we want what is ours,I have my neighbours who were driven away from Prekuple around 100 years ago and the old man remembered the horrors how of those days just because they were albanians a few left from centuries serbian oppression.
anyway why dont Irinej visit Kosovo.
Why oh why is it so freakin impossible for folks in this part of the work to live together? Does anyone understand that almost all countries in the world are made up of differenct nationalities, races etc.... People here need to drive 6 hours north, to Vienna. When they make it back to Belgrade they should ask themselves why is it so different. Only 6 hours, but the difference is extreme.
Your "facts" are so absurd that even your own people (see ben's post) are embarrassed to say the least.
(lowe, 16 May 2010 05:57)
I don't think that Ben's fact are correct either. The K-Alb birth rate is still high some 4 kids/woman, while Albanians in Albania are at 2.2 barely enough to replenish themselves (same rate as US). But the trend is down I agree. On the other hand Serbia's population is decreasing by 35,000 a year...... one of the highest rates in the world.
If Serbia continues to rule Kosovo the K-Alb birth rate will continue to be very high. K-Alb see that as a means for survival, and they will be on "survival" mode as long as they are under Serbia.
However, Serbia will not just sit there and see Alb take it over by means of a democratic vote. Serbia will simply not allow that and will be forced to engage in another war against K-Alb and expell them whenever it will have a chance. In fact I would consider it a very normal thing for any country who wants to exist.
In any case I don't think any Albanian in their right mind would want to take over Serbia. As an Albanian I would never wish for disapparence of Serbia, as I will never deny Serbia's right to exist.
Yes we have fought against each other, killed each other, but in the end we are not animals, and we have to find a way to live as civilized people in peace.
back to the patriarch. I think that two big mistakes that the Patriach makes are that first he gets involved in politics as he speaks like a nationalist (Kosovo head of a nation etc), and second he complitely ignores the Albanians in Kosovo as he does not even mention or address them. We have all seen where this strategy can lead.
I must say that Serbian Orth Church has never been a factor of peace in Kosovo, and could have done a lot more to ease the tensions there.
re: Comparisons to Iran -- Just goes to show Serbia is a CONSERVATIVE nation and that this is an ADVANTAGE in the long term because it preserves ethnic identity in the face of adversity. In Quebec where the Catholic Church was ignored by Secular Nationalists, they have given up on independence and are even apathetic to language issues they used to care about. The Atheistic/Secular Albanians in KiM will fold the same way. THANK YOU SAINT SAVA for shaping our IDENTITY! God sent you to us.
(highduke, 16 May 2010 02:48)
The Albanian side will eventually fold and be forced back to the table not because of God or any religon but because of international law (UN Resolution 1244, Helsinki Agreement) and the changing geo-politics. Pristina will soon have to face the unavoidable reality and so will we. By that I mean a compromise where Kosovo could be partioned.
Serbia being a conservative country, who are you kidding, in rural areas yes. I have not set foot inside the catholic church where I was baptised well since I was baptised and outside my apartment block every Sunday morning you have to pick your way through the beer cans and used condoms.
Serbs are not conservative when it comes to drinking beer and casual sex :)
I don't think that Ben's fact are correct either. The K-Alb birth rate is still high some 4 kids/woman, while Albanians in Albania are at 2.2 barely enough to replenish themselves (same rate as US). But the trend is down I agree. On the other hand Serbia's population is decreasing by 35,000 a year...... one of the highest rates in the world.
If Serbia continues to rule Kosovo the K-Alb birth rate will continue to be very high. K-Alb see that as a means for survival, and they will be on "survival" mode as long as they are under Serbia.
(Denis, 17 May 2010 17:48)
You or Yiber will have to provide credible evidence from a reliable source to back up your incredible statistics before I am prepared to accept your arguments as anything other than fantasy. I look forward to your evidences, assuming you or Yiber are able to provide them.
"They do in theocracies. Now my question is when did Serbia become a theocracy since you find it normal for this priest to make the state policy of Serbia. Not if, but when?
(johny, 19 May 2010 02:11) "
Does this Serbian priest have any power to pass laws in Serbia? If your answer is no, then how can you accuse Serbia of being a theocracy? You can't even see the utter lack of logic in your arguments.
The people of some countries respect their main religion enough to pay attention to what their religious leaders are saying. And that's why these religious leaders are so influential. But to equate these countries with being theocracies is really a gross exaggeration on your part. Anyone with an iota of common sense can see this straightaway.
Wasn't this your idea in the place? Who was it who wrote that priests make state policies? Give you a hint: it wasn't me!
(lowe, 18 May 2010 16:49)
They do in theocracies. Now my question is when did Serbia become a theocracy since you find it normal for this priest to make the state policy of Serbia. Not if, but when?
Yeah,you Srbs all wish you can divide something thats not yours.How about spliting southern Serbia (Sanxhak,Nishe,Medvegje,Kurshumli,Bujanovac,Vranje,Presheve)and other Albaian lands.Dont you think is time to give back the stolen lands from the Albanians.
If THE PATRIARCH says partition isnt acceptable, Albanians can FORGET about trying that option when they get forced back into negotiations by EU & UN after ICJ proclaims the protectorate illegal. The statement by our holy father is timed in tandem with Moscow & Belgrade diplomacy. Like I said in January: 2010 is the year Albanian hopes go down.
I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
"Our country cannot be beheaded and stripped of Kosovo."
I agree with "Mr Priest". But the thing is what is head for you is backbone for the other and otherway around. Many years ago the "head of Serbia" was Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore. What would you say to that?
Kosovo to Serbs is the following organs: heart & head.
Serbia to Kosovars is a basket country, run by Milosevics cronies, and nostalgia of Balkan dominance. Face it, no one likes Serbia, your days to glory will only begin after apologizing, paying for billions in damages and attempting to befriend your neighbors.
His Holiness Irinej is correct on both accounts.Kosovo is in Serbia,was,is and always will be.Furthermore its by Versailles Treaty and UN resolution 1244.Nothing can change that.
hahahahaha
what does this old senile man want to say?
do you really think albanians will ever listen to serbs? NEVER!
(albo)
-
And look at the hole you find yourself in, lol
"Our country cannot be beheaded and stripped of Kosovo."
I agree with "Mr Priest". But the thing is what is head for you is backbone for the other and otherway around. Many years ago the "head of Serbia" was Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore. What would you say to that?
(EA)
-
First of all, Yugoslavia was Yugoslavia, it wasnt a "head" of any other internal entity.
The main point being brought here is that the Albanians don't even have a "head" so they go elsewhere and seek someone elses. Now... what have you to say about that ?
I have a message for Pristina!. Don't let this clown step on Kosovo soil unless he was born there. Instead of looking after his church he talks politics?. In his mind Kosovo might still be Serbia but in the western world Kosovo is an independent state.
If Patriark cant imagine himself without Peja what will he do if he thinks about Decan or furthermore Prizren will he have an heart atack hahah or since he is "holly" is imune of death.Kosovo wont be partioned ever because Kosovars will not accept by any price other than death!
We lost enough over centuries Irinej forgot when his predecors came from Carpat mountains and drove away Illyrians now is payback time and we want what is ours,I have my neighbours who were driven away from Prekuple around 100 years ago and the old man remembered the horrors how of those days just because they were albanians a few left from centuries serbian oppression.
anyway why dont Irinej visit Kosovo.
I have a message for Pristina!. Don't let this clown step on Kosovo soil unless he was born there. Instead of looking after his church he talks politics?. In his mind Kosovo might still be Serbia but in the western world Kosovo is an independent state.
(ProAlbanian)
-
According to most of the world, Kosovo is Serbia. According to UN, the Council of Europe and all legal documentation; Kosovo is Serbia... So maybe in your mind you see yourself as independent, but in reality you are living on Serbian soil.
Since when a priest makes the policy of the state? Only in Serbia, I guess.
(johny, 15 May 2010 18:35)
I agree with you, religion and state should not mix at all,
religious leaders should not publicly state political statements, they should leave the politics to the politicians.
"I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
(Ylber, 15 May 2010 17:13)"
Ylber,
In a sense I am surprised and pleased to see your comment. However, there are some flaws. As your fellow Albanian "Ben" tried to explain to you the birth rate of Albanian is Kosovo and Albania is too small to achieve the dreams you shared with us. Even if you could achieve this you will have to share the meager pie with even more people resulting in barely crumbs for everybody (in reality it will be even less, for your politicians and mafia will take a big chunk, leaving almost nothing for the rest (even worse than now)). Albanians will not be a majority in Serbia for a long time and if, God forbid, this happens one day you can take was is yours. I just wonder if Hungarians are looking forward to become your neighbors for you may be eying their lands too. Just settle for the best autonomy in the world and let's all move on.
"I completely agree. I am an Albanian from Kosovo and I would strongly suggest we abandon our pursuit of an Independent Kosovo. Why settle for scraps? Accept autonomy within Serbia. By 2030 we will be even in population numbers. By 2080 we will be a majority. This way we can have Vojvodina, Serbia, Kosovo and Albania. Who would have thought there is a chance for Hungary and Albania to share a border?
(Ylber, 15 May 2010 17:13) "
Your "facts" are so absurd that even your own people (see ben's post) are embarrassed to say the least.
you opinion is quite common among common Albanians.
But it utterly false.
The birth rate among Albanians has dropped down significantly over the last 20 years. And in Albania it is almost zero.
If you add on that that we Albanians would not dislike to become richer in the future then this means that our birth rate will go further down.
So I think your "strategy" will not work... street legends only- invented and supported by the same people that advocate that Albanians have come from Albania in Kosova/Yugo or high birth rate made Serbs become minority in Kosova in other words: Albanians are aggressive and stole the Serbian land… pure lies that we should start throwing them in the bin where they deserve to be.
Our birth rate before and after the WW2 was same as the Serbian and other nations in the region.
It was like that until the mid 60s from then and until the end of the 80s their birth rate slowed down significantly ours started slowing down from the 90s and still continues. These are the facts.
Larry Sellers - You cannot aim that accusation at Belgrade, which was always and remains a society rich in different ethnicities, languages and cultures. You have clearly not been there to make such a statement.
re: Comparisons to Iran -- Just goes to show Serbia is a CONSERVATIVE nation and that this is an ADVANTAGE in the long term because it preserves ethnic identity in the face of adversity. In Quebec where the Catholic Church was ignored by Secular Nationalists, they have given up on independence and are even apathetic to language issues they used to care about. The Atheistic/Secular Albanians in KiM will fold the same way. THANK YOU SAINT SAVA for shaping our IDENTITY! God sent you to us.
We lost enough over centuries Irinej forgot when his predecors came from Carpat mountains and drove away Illyrians now is payback time and we want what is ours,I have my neighbours who were driven away from Prekuple around 100 years ago and the old man remembered the horrors how of those days just because they were albanians a few left from centuries serbian oppression.
anyway why dont Irinej visit Kosovo.
(Oso Kuka, 16 May 2010 10:29)
Didn´t know that Matuzalem is your neighbour.
Did he tell you how it was under Stefan Dusan maybe?
Why oh why is it so freakin impossible for folks in this part of the work to live together? Does anyone understand that almost all countries in the world are made up of differenct nationalities, races etc.... People here need to drive 6 hours north, to Vienna. When they make it back to Belgrade they should ask themselves why is it so different. Only 6 hours, but the difference is extreme.
re: Comparisons to Iran -- Just goes to show Serbia is a CONSERVATIVE nation and that this is an ADVANTAGE in the long term because it preserves ethnic identity in the face of adversity. In Quebec where the Catholic Church was ignored by Secular Nationalists, they have given up on independence and are even apathetic to language issues they used to care about. The Atheistic/Secular Albanians in KiM will fold the same way. THANK YOU SAINT SAVA for shaping our IDENTITY! God sent you to us.
(highduke, 16 May 2010 02:48)
The Albanian side will eventually fold and be forced back to the table not because of God or any religon but because of international law (UN Resolution 1244, Helsinki Agreement) and the changing geo-politics. Pristina will soon have to face the unavoidable reality and so will we. By that I mean a compromise where Kosovo could be partioned.
Serbia being a conservative country, who are you kidding, in rural areas yes. I have not set foot inside the catholic church where I was baptised well since I was baptised and outside my apartment block every Sunday morning you have to pick your way through the beer cans and used condoms.
Serbs are not conservative when it comes to drinking beer and casual sex :)
Wasn't this your idea in the place? Who was it who wrote that priests make state policies? Give you a hint: it wasn't me!
(lowe, 18 May 2010 16:49)
They do in theocracies. Now my question is when did Serbia become a theocracy since you find it normal for this priest to make the state policy of Serbia. Not if, but when?
Your "facts" are so absurd that even your own people (see ben's post) are embarrassed to say the least.
(lowe, 16 May 2010 05:57)
I don't think that Ben's fact are correct either. The K-Alb birth rate is still high some 4 kids/woman, while Albanians in Albania are at 2.2 barely enough to replenish themselves (same rate as US). But the trend is down I agree. On the other hand Serbia's population is decreasing by 35,000 a year...... one of the highest rates in the world.
If Serbia continues to rule Kosovo the K-Alb birth rate will continue to be very high. K-Alb see that as a means for survival, and they will be on "survival" mode as long as they are under Serbia.
However, Serbia will not just sit there and see Alb take it over by means of a democratic vote. Serbia will simply not allow that and will be forced to engage in another war against K-Alb and expell them whenever it will have a chance. In fact I would consider it a very normal thing for any country who wants to exist.
In any case I don't think any Albanian in their right mind would want to take over Serbia. As an Albanian I would never wish for disapparence of Serbia, as I will never deny Serbia's right to exist.
Yes we have fought against each other, killed each other, but in the end we are not animals, and we have to find a way to live as civilized people in peace.
back to the patriarch. I think that two big mistakes that the Patriach makes are that first he gets involved in politics as he speaks like a nationalist (Kosovo head of a nation etc), and second he complitely ignores the Albanians in Kosovo as he does not even mention or address them. We have all seen where this strategy can lead.
I must say that Serbian Orth Church has never been a factor of peace in Kosovo, and could have done a lot more to ease the tensions there.
I don't think that Ben's fact are correct either. The K-Alb birth rate is still high some 4 kids/woman, while Albanians in Albania are at 2.2 barely enough to replenish themselves (same rate as US). But the trend is down I agree. On the other hand Serbia's population is decreasing by 35,000 a year...... one of the highest rates in the world.
If Serbia continues to rule Kosovo the K-Alb birth rate will continue to be very high. K-Alb see that as a means for survival, and they will be on "survival" mode as long as they are under Serbia.
(Denis, 17 May 2010 17:48)
You or Yiber will have to provide credible evidence from a reliable source to back up your incredible statistics before I am prepared to accept your arguments as anything other than fantasy. I look forward to your evidences, assuming you or Yiber are able to provide them.
"They do in theocracies. Now my question is when did Serbia become a theocracy since you find it normal for this priest to make the state policy of Serbia. Not if, but when?
(johny, 19 May 2010 02:11) "
Does this Serbian priest have any power to pass laws in Serbia? If your answer is no, then how can you accuse Serbia of being a theocracy? You can't even see the utter lack of logic in your arguments.
The people of some countries respect their main religion enough to pay attention to what their religious leaders are saying. And that's why these religious leaders are so influential. But to equate these countries with being theocracies is really a gross exaggeration on your part. Anyone with an iota of common sense can see this straightaway.
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